Chat from Quarantine meeting with comments from Janet in RED

15:21:25	 From  Jeff Cabral : #VoteDrG2020 :)
15:22:50	 From  Jeff Cabral : Several librarians in that forum are thrilled with his feedback and posting quite a bit (ALA Connect or PLA Digest or whatever it was...)
15:24:12	 From  director@cumston.lib.me.us : But Dr. Godman is the only one challenging the REALM studies?  I recall the IMLS saying something similar and that advice was discounted? Early IMLS webinar had a epidemiologist state there was no reason to quarantine.  When pushed, he said 24 hours. Due to that conversation and the uncertainty, the IMLS pursued the REALM project to get better information.
15:25:26	 From  Alice Olson-Dr Shaw Memorial Library : What about all this deep cleaning everywhere? Is that really a necessary step? Deep cleaning is usually done if library staff has been COVID positive, or a patron was in the library and it is determined that the length of the stay of that patron would necessitate a deep cleaning. Regular cleaning procedures are encouraged (key boards, mice, door handles, bathroom, etc.
15:26:27	 From  Holly@PittsfieldPL : @Alice--I honestly think much of the "deep cleaning" is just to make people feel better. Kind of like much of the airport security.
15:27:11	 From  Alice Olson-Dr Shaw Memorial Library : That's what I think too.
15:27:18	 From  Melissa Olson : Have there been cases of covid transmitted by library materials? No documented transmission.
15:28:42	 From  Josh Tiffany : @Melissa - to date, no there have been no confirmed cases from library material contact.
15:28:50	 From  Karen Eger : I find this information extremely compelling.
15:32:17	 From  Courtney Sparks - Freeport : Handled = taken home? Yes, checked out.  Also, touched in the library if patron’s hands are not sanitized or material is not placed on a shelf for further quarantine. Whether casual touching requires a full 72 hours, I will leave that to local policy.
15:32:30	 From  Debbie she/her/hers : not open to the public
15:33:07	 From  Ben B : I'm taking handled to mean in the building 
15:33:51	 From  Janet Wilson : I answered for items checked out. We don't quarantine items that may have been touched in the library. See comments above
15:33:54	 From  stratton public library : books going out not ones that are handled inside the library. See comments above.
15:33:58	 From  Amy Levine : 72 hours when it's staying in the building. Returns/ILLs are put in delivery upon return. This may be problematic and where practices differ. Will address in new draft.
15:34:34	 From  Courtney Sparks - Freeport : Same here, Janet  Issue to be resolved. We should all follow the same practice. See above
15:34:58	 From  Jackie : Janet, same here, I answered for books checked out by patrons... not just touched on the shelf.
15:36:06	 From  Blue Hill Public Library : Material quarantine seems to be more about anxiety management than science IMO. Truth!
15:36:45	 From  Cassandra Pool : Returned items?
15:36:51	 From  Jackie : Do you mean ILL returns?
15:36:53	 From  Caroilne @ Thomaston Public Library : Are we talking about materials that have been returned by patrons or pulled from our own shelves?  Both, because it determines what happens “down the road”.  Draft guidance will cover this.
15:36:54	 From  Blue Hill Public Library : Trying to ask a question but can't unmute
15:37:01	 From  Jenna Mayotte - Falmouth : Do you mean in addition to regular quarantine - we don't separate before quarantining everything
15:37:19	 From  James Rathbun : I don’t know what this one is asking? All our items are quarantined. We’re not specifically quarantining anything for ILL further. Should procedure require a quarantine before ILL, handled by patrons and not quarantined be put through van delivery?
15:37:30	 From  Alice Olson-Dr Shaw Memorial Library : This question is a bit  this topic but I am wondering what percentage of libraries is open to the public their regular amount of hours.  (in Maine)
15:37:57	 From  Karen Eger : We are open reduced hours.
15:37:58	 From  Caroilne @ Thomaston Public Library : Okay, we're only quarantining returned items. Sorry, I misunderstood.
15:38:07	 From  Amy Levine : JAnet I think there is stil confusion--ILL off the shelf, vs ILL being returned  Am I the only one finding this unclear? We are trying to get to this in the new draft.
15:38:09	 From  Hope @ Caribou Public Library : Whoops! Then I put the wrong time. If they are coming off our shelves they are able to go straight into ILL totes because we quarantine when items come into us.
15:38:12	 From  Korina Lee : Ok-I didn't understand that one I guess-I answered incorrectly
15:38:29	 From  James Rathbun : Gotcha! :)
15:38:55	 From  Jenny @ Rice Public Library : We are open our full hours, regular hours, not reduced.  
15:38:59	 From  Kathleen Kramer : I answered in correctly too! We are quarantining ILLs to be returned to the lending library
15:38:59	 From  Korina Lee : Can we redo that poll?
15:39:14	 From  Caroilne @ Thomaston Public Library : Yes, please, I'd like to redo!
15:39:15	 From  Lesley Unger : Regular hours but curbside only.
15:39:23	 From  David Weare : 72 hour just for the materials returned to other libraries.
15:39:31	 From  stratton public library : If on my shelves no if its books we borrowed from other libraries I try to quarantine them before sending back
15:40:37	 From  Claire Guyton : Maybe redo that poll? Seems like the results might be very off based on confusion over the question.
15:40:43	 From  Amy Levine : Regardless of whether they are returned and going to another library, or pulled from the shelves to go to another, they go directly in delivery
15:40:45	: Hi Janet, I meant we are getting the ILLs back from patrons and then quarantining 3 days before sending them to their home library. Yes, that is current guidance.
15:40:48	 From  Karen Eger : Agree.  Pre ILL quarantine is not necessary. Correct because books are already on your shelves so therefore deemed safe
15:40:54	 From  Amy Levine : whether! not wether
15:41:10	 From  Mary-Lou Boucouvalas : Reboot!
15:41:44	 From  director@cumston.lib.me.us : How can we vouch that patrons haven't touched anything on the shelves?? Only by your local practice.  Patrons sanitize hands upon entry? Patrons that handle books are asked not to re-shelve but place on a table?
15:42:02	 From  Katherine W - LPL : There are two separate timelines here. First, quarantining returns of ILLs before they go to their home library since they have been checked out to patrons. Second, quarantining books off shelf before they go out. It seems like a lot of libraries are doing the first but not the second, correct? Yes, that is some of it.  Interpretation of timelines and sequence needs to be clarified in the draft.
15:42:32	 From  director@cumston.lib.me.us : w
15:42:43	 From  Karen Eger : We can't know about the touching but this information makes it clear that the actual risk of it being a form of transmission is low, low... I agree. 
15:42:46	 From  director@cumston.lib.me.us : Why, when we can't vouch for them?
15:43:37	 From  Katherine W - LPL : @Amy, are you sorting the items when they are returned to the library?
15:43:56	 From  Karen Eger : Staff is handling materials just returned before any quarantine and that is a risk to staff.
15:43:57	 From  Blue Hill Public Library : Simply put, maybe we should just quarantine on the receiving end, not the shipping end? Exploring that possibility. I will base it on risk factors.
15:44:04	 From  Josh Tiffany : Basic question - what is the ideal amount of time should an item be quarantined after it was touched by the last patron? Yes, good question. And touched briefly in the library? Local decision.  Returned after being checked out?  Statewide guidance.
15:44:15	 From  Karen Eger : 24 hours
15:44:23	 From  Amy Levine : What Rich said!
15:44:36	 From  Caroilne @ Thomaston Public Library : Or, flipside, we could just quarantine ALL returns for 72 hours and not have to quarantine on the receiving end.
15:44:40	 From  Holly@PittsfieldPL : I disagree with Rich and Amy.
15:44:50	 From  Alice Olson-Dr Shaw Memorial Library : Does this time matter right now if we are potentially going to reduce quarantine time due to this new info that the mtg started with?
15:45:05	 From  Courtney Sparks - Freeport : I'm 100% in favor of what Caroline said - ot
15:45:15	 From  Courtney Sparks - Freeport : it's safest for staff and accomplishes what we need
15:45:24	 From  Holly@PittsfieldPL : I agree with Caroline and Courtney.
15:45:26	 From  cappleby : I agree with Caroline, too.
15:45:29	 From  Amy Levine : We don't have room to keep all the returns Q'd before they go into delivery. That is indeed an issue.
15:45:30	 From  Beth Auburn Library : Auburn quarantines book drop and in building returns for 3 days and incoming ILL bins for 3 days. When we pull the list those items go directly into bins and sent out. That is current guidance.
15:45:31	 From  Korina Lee : Agree @Carolione!
15:46:21	 From  cappleby : We do the same as your, Beth.
15:46:37	 From  Katherine W - LPL : What about potential contamination to the items by people touching the totes and then bags and then the clean items? They should all be following procedures with masks and sanitized hands – before and after to keep risk very low.
15:47:03	 From  jdupree : Same, Beth. Everything that comes in through bookdrop or van delivery gets quarantined for 72 hours. Any holds we pull go right into van delivery.
15:47:38	 From  Caroilne @ Thomaston Public Library : My understanding is that it has been established the risk of contamination from library staff and FX employees handling totes & bags is very, very minimal.
15:47:49	 From  Jeff Cabral : It's hard to envision a time when we feel like we have 'much' more definitive information than we do now, although of course it's possible. At some point, maybe in months, maybe today, we have to face up to / feel more convinced that the lack of cases via surface/fomite transmission MEANS something. And what it may mean (hopefully) at some point is that we will just ditch quarantining altogether....
15:47:55	 From  Courtney Sparks - Freeport : That's my understanding as well, Caroline
15:48:15	 From  Courtney Sparks - Freeport : Agreed, Jeff
15:48:26	 From  Caroilne @ Thomaston Public Library : Wouldn't we all have more room for quarantining if we ONLY quarantine returned items and didn't have to quarantine incoming ILLs? Yes. But local procedures at some libraries do not separate out.
15:48:42	 From  clemieux : Lisbon quarantines book drop and in building returns for 3 days and incoming ILL bins for 3 days. When we pull the list those items go directly into bins and sent out.

15:48:53	 From  Kathleen : Agree with Holly on that one!!
15:48:54	 From  cappleby : Agree, Holly
15:49:00	 From  director@cumston.lib.me.us : Me too
15:49:04	 From  Beth Auburn Library : We would love to be able to process incoming ILLs after one day but not sure that all libraries have quarantined  before sending out in delivery so we do 3 days to be safe.
15:49:05	 From  Pam Dunning : Wiscasset Public does not quarantine items from the shelves. We just send them. That is correct under the guidance.
15:49:09	 From  Barb Rehmeyer : Agree Holly
15:49:11	 From  Jeff Cabral : Hence the question is what will we need to hear/see/read before we are ready (at the least) to reduce this quarantine time. Revisit guidance every 3-6 months if more knowledge is available.
15:49:15	 From  Hope @ Caribou Public Library : Caribou quarantines all book drop items for 6 days. (That may be overkill) ILL totes come in on Thursday and are not touched until Tuesday. Items from our shelves going out on ILL are NOT quarantined before sending. If they are on our shelves, they are good to go! Yes.
15:51:00	 From  Karen Eger : So to me, this information about fomites, makes me feel that handling totes and bags that are coming from the delivery warehouse are not a big danger to staff.  This changes my feelings about handling those items. It did me too but some more info from REALM to share with next draft.
15:51:03	 From  director@cumston.lib.me.us : Hope, do you have closed stacks, or are patrons possibly touching those items?
15:51:17	 From  Kathleen Kramer : Maybe we should standardize according to the item's home library? ?? I need more info on this.
15:51:17	 From  Madison Public  : I would be interested to know if libraries are considering changing their quarantine times for in-house use, not for ILL. Specifically, are you going to continue to quarantine for 72 hours for your own books?
15:51:32	 From  Amy Levine : One of the other differences, Holly, is that we check *everything* in,gloved and masked, to get it off the patron's record, THings that will be re-shelved, or on hold for our patrons are Q'd for 3.5 days
15:51:38	 From  Claire Guyton : I’m hoping we’ll have a chance to discuss the best number of days to quarantine, given the information we read before the meeting? That is a factor and getting the sense of how people feel about that. One virologist opinion…by very valid. Follow up from REALM to provide.
15:51:45	 From  Karen Eger : Yes, I plan to change some of our procedures.
15:52:13	 From  Pam Dunning : Is the goal to reduce quarantine or to establish confirmation on the timeline for quarantine? I want to know what is safe and approve of working on the side of caution. Provide feedback on the next draft.
15:52:26	 From  Holly@PittsfieldPL : @Amy--I get it. And you don't have the space. I get it. But if you're the minority, I want to know if we can do something else than quarantining for a week.
15:52:26	 From  Karen Eger : If we go to 24 hours for all points then things coming in will be 72 hours or so when they arrive at the least.
15:53:11	 From  director@cumston.lib.me.us : How are you all dealing with patrons browsing/handling books?  Do you Q them?
15:53:34	 From  Karen Eger : We have been but I am now rethinking this.
15:53:45	 From  director@cumston.lib.me.us : B/c if not, how can you say they're safe to ILL?
15:53:55	 From  Courtney Sparks - Freeport : We are not, Cumston. Patrons sanitize their hands upon entry and there is only so much room for quarantine. 
15:53:58	 From  Alice Olson-Dr Shaw Memorial Library : we do.  Acc to the survey Janet just did, it looks like most do, but not all.
15:54:55	 From  Deborah Clark  to  Janet McKenney(Privately) : I unmuted everyone
15:54:59	 From  Leslie Rounds : IExcept the question apparently was referring to items checked out, not those handled in library.
15:55:22	 From  Leslie Rounds : We do not quarantine items used in house
15:55:41	 From  Thomas College : Sorry all, have to head off to a 4pm meeting
15:56:06	 From  Kate SW Harbor Public Lib : Everything from drop boxes is handled with gloves and put into 72 hour quarantine. Then all checked in and 1) prepped for ILL 2) reshelved our books.
15:56:22	 From  James Rathbun : Exactly!
15:56:28	 From  Caroilne @ Thomaston Public Library : Yes, agreed!
15:56:29	 From  Ann Thomas : yes
15:56:34	 From  Courtney Sparks - Freeport : Agreed!
15:56:36	 From  Cassandra Pool : Agreed!
15:56:42	 From  Karen Eger : That is it!
15:56:45	 From  director@cumston.lib.me.us : Agree w/ Josh as to incoming\
15:56:48	 From  James Rathbun : I don’t know why there’s even a debate on that. :)
15:56:49	 From  Kathleen : yes, agreed
15:56:51	 From  Leslie Rounds : If MSL doesn't change the72 hour recommendation and if someone sues your library claiming they got infected from your contaminated book and if you were were quarantining less than 72 hours, I am getting guidance from AG’s office.  But very unlikely provable.
15:56:52	 From  cappleby : Yes, but some libraries are not q'ting items that don't belong to them
15:56:54	 From  Kate SW Harbor Public Lib : We have quarantine carts and boxes that patrons put books into after handling. We have a nice counter where we put these books for 72 hours.
15:56:56	 From  Amy Levine : Not everyone has space for that
15:57:02	 From  Leslie Rounds : then will their lawsuit succeed? I am getting guidance from AG’s office.
15:57:08	 From  Janet Wilson : This all seems like a moot point if the scientist we heard from today is correct. We are going to all of this work when there is likely almost no risk.
15:57:10	 From  Blue Hill Public Library : Host no t allowing unmuting again... Sorry that happened – will change settings…
15:57:14	 From  Andrea Stark : For those of us not on the Van, we would like best guidance on how long to quarantine books in our own collection.  When we do ILL, we would quarantine before checking out to patrons. That will be in guidance.
15:57:26	 From  Kathleen : yes, we just quarantine all returns as a group and then either shelve or send out
15:57:47	 From  Hope @ Caribou Public Library : We do what Josh does.
15:57:53	 From  Susanna Pathak : As a director, I feel responsible to reduce risk as much as possible and can be more sure if we as the receiving library do the quarantine.
15:57:57	 From  James Rathbun : We also do what Josh does
15:58:00	 From  Caroilne @ Thomaston Public Library : We do as Josh does. 
15:58:02	 From  laura : We do the same thing.
15:58:03	 From  ncrowell : I agree with Josh - muted or I'd say that.
15:58:09	 From  Katherine W - LPL : @josh We do the same here in Lewiston, but for 96 hours due to results of last study
15:58:10	 From  edward.moore : At USM we do what Josh does. All returns 72 hours.
15:58:11	 From  Virginia : That is what Falmouth is doing
15:58:25	 From  Michelle Brenner : We do the same - quarantine all returns together.
15:58:30	 From  Mamie : Yes, what Josh says.
15:58:31	 From  Brittany Kashar : That's what Kennebunk is doing, except for 96 hours. That time frame may be overkill considering the Lancet article.
15:58:40	 From  Jenna Blake Davis : Same at UNE. 72 hrs.
15:58:42	 From  Nancy Petersons : I agree. That is what I do, especially since I only have 1 delivery a week.
15:59:02	 From  Korina Lee : Personally I think the quarantine should be done by sending library-quarantine of ill returns- or fresh off our shelves- so that they are all set for the receiving library-thoughts?
15:59:08	 From  Beth Auburn Library : Yes, what Josh said!
15:59:12	 From  Blue Hill Public Library : I don't understand a simple thing: how to empty our book drop without touching items.  Since we are handling items to remove from our book drop, we check them in at that time.
15:59:28	 From  Rose, Walker ML, she/her/hers : Westbrook is the same, but we have been quarantining for 96 hours.
15:59:43	 From  Lauren : We wear glove to empty.
15:59:48	 From  Lauren : gloves*
16:00:12	 From  Caroilne @ Thomaston Public Library : We wash our hands after emptying the book drop.
16:00:14	 From  Amy Levine : Rich, I don't understand either
16:00:15	 From  Holly@PittsfieldPL : We just wear gloves, Rich, then put them somewhere else to quarantine. It's just little handling.
16:00:21	 From  James Rathbun : Blue Hill. I just wash my hands when I’m done.
16:00:23	 From  director@cumston.lib.me.us : We have a tote bag in our drop box, and bring that in and leave for 72 hrs
16:00:27	 From  Debbie she/her/hers : Our bookdrop is really just a bunch of bins so the bins are just moved from the slot in the door and quarantine for 72 hours
16:00:38	 From  stratton public library : So we don't have to quarantine books that we receive from ILL? To be determined by new guidance review.
16:01:04	 From  Heidi Libby : Because of the last REALM study about stacking the books, I take them out of the book drop with a mask and gloves, check them in then stand them up on a table so pages are fanned for 2-3 days, then quarantine for longer on book cart up to 6 days. ILL does not come out of the bin for at least 3 days.  You may be over quarantining based on level of risk.
16:01:11	 From  Karen Eger : Checking in after emptying the book return involves a lot more touches and surfaces, that is the difference. Yes, a consideration.
16:01:26	 From  Pam Dunning : Wiscasset puts ALL returns on the quarantine carts for 3 days and checks them in all at one time. ILLs go into the totes at that time. If we pull items off the shelf them go straight in to the totes. Totes coming in are opened and processed after 3 days.
16:01:28	 From  Rose, Walker ML, she/her/hers : Westbrook is fine with 72 hrs. We had moved to 96 due to REALM.
16:01:39	 From  Caroilne @ Thomaston Public Library : I agree with Karen, we handle them less if we quarantine BEFORE check-in.
16:02:03	 From  Heidi Grimm : agree w Nancy Crowell
16:02:25	 From  Kate SW Harbor Public Lib : Andrea, for books from your own collection, they have been on shelves and essentially in quarantine. Our staff practice hand hygiene so that when we take it off the shelf it continues to be in quarantine. Once off the shelves we either send to ILL processing or package for curbside pick-up. Also, if a patron pulls a book off the shelves and wants to check out, because it has been on the shelf it is considered quarantined.
16:03:01	 From  Leslie Rounds : We check items in and then out to a quarantine account so patrons know where they are and that they aren't yet available.
16:03:29	 From  Heidi Grimm : It's an "opportunity" to reinforce to your patrons that you are following proper safety protocol.
16:03:45	 From  Kate SW Harbor Public Lib : We are waving fines at present. We have just started to add a bookmark in our curbside material and in-person check-out that reminds folks that their material may show overdue, but there are no fines.
16:03:52	 From  Courtney Sparks - Freeport : It is a paint point for sure, but we just reassure patrons that items are in quarantine and we're not charging late fees
16:03:54	 From  Caroilne @ Thomaston Public Library : I get patrons irritated that they have returned items that haven't been checked in yet, but I figure if we checked items in before quarantine, we would get patrons irritated their holds say they're ready for pickup 3 days before they can.
16:04:15	 From  Mary-Lou Boucouvalas : Cant you change the overall grace period? InfoNet issue
16:04:37	 From  Lauren : Could the notice be updated for the time being to include "please ignore this message if your items have been returned, we are quarantining items for 72 hours." something like that until this is over. InfoNet issue
16:04:39	 From  Lauren : ?
16:04:42	 From  Katherine W - LPL : You can alter the Overdue notices format to indicate that items may not be checked in immediately. Plus backdating or have an extra grace period. 
16:04:46	 From  Courtney Sparks - Freeport : Lauren, we updated ours to say that.
16:04:56	 From  Courtney Sparks - Freeport : We have an auto email reply that reinforces this
16:04:59	 From  Holly@PittsfieldPL : We altered our email notices, too. Most folks don't read them, that's the only issue.
16:05:06	 From  Pam Dunning : I agree that patrons are upset when an item is supposed to be waiting or them but they are still in quarantine.
16:05:11	 From  Courtney Sparks - Freeport : Ha @Holly! Too true
16:05:52	 From  Courtney Sparks - Freeport : Checking things in and then quarantine also requires you to a) change the status in the system to reflect it's not available or b) leave it as available, which I see as another kind of pain point. That is an area that is very much local practices.
16:05:59	 From  Katherine W - LPL : How are you handling hold pick-up notifications if you're checking in items and they aren't available for pick-up immediately? 
16:07:35	 From  Courtney Sparks - Freeport : Also, regarding frustrated patrons, I borrowed an expression from Cyndi at Topsham: This is our first pandemic and we're figuring out things as we go. It diffuses many situations. TRUTH!
16:08:15	 From  Lauren : Haha I like that!
16:08:27	 From  Brittany Kashar : I might have to steal that, too!
16:08:39	 From  Interlibrary.Loan : THANK YOU JEFF! :)  
16:09:42	 From  Courtney Sparks - Freeport : Analysis paralysis :)
16:12:08	 From  Brenda Lynn Gould : zoom would break lol
16:12:11	 From  Beth Auburn Library : If we could all agree not to put unquarantined items into delivery, I think that would free up a lot of time and materials and we could feel secure enough to get them out to patrons quicker.
16:12:50	 From  Holly@PittsfieldPL : Yes @Beth
16:12:54	 From  Hope @ Caribou Public Library : Exactly Beth! Quarantine before it leaves your library and all will be well!
16:13:00	 From  Mary-Lou Boucouvalas : Agree.  Especially with studies being updated.
16:13:11	 From  Korina Lee : Beth-YES
16:13:20	 From  Caroilne @ Thomaston Public Library : I agree, Beth
16:13:45	 From  Anne Romans : Beth yes. 
16:14:18	 From  director@cumston.lib.me.us : Presumably a lot of money was spent on the REALM study - I would like to know REALM's response to Dr. Goldberg.  Seems like that would give us a more balanced perspective to discuss this. I will share the response I saw.
16:14:59	 From  Karen Eger : It is not just me, it is staff comfort as well. Good point by you and others speaking.
16:15:06	 From  Barb Rehmeyer : I think some of the reason to quarantine upon delivery is because folks at FX handled the bags. It’s not just the materials inside.  FX is gloved and masked and disinfecting.  That should not be an issue.
16:15:37	 From  Caroilne @ Thomaston Public Library : For me, it's more about our patrons' confidence in the library being safe. Yes, messaging what you(we) are doing should be part of this.
16:15:52	 From  director@cumston.lib.me.us : Yes, Caroline!
16:15:57	 From  Karen Eger : That too.  
16:16:01	 From  Cheryl H : I agree with Caroline!
16:16:50	 From  Heidi Libby : Agreed Caroline!
16:17:26	 From  director@cumston.lib.me.us : re: that poll, again, Presumably a lot of money was spent on the REALM study - I would like to know REALM's response to Dr. Goldberg.  Seems like that would give us a more balanced perspective to discuss this. See above remarks.
16:17:40	 From  Heidi Libby : Yes please.
16:17:43	 From  Caroilne @ Thomaston Public Library : Agreed, I'd like to hear from more than one scientist. So would we all. 
16:17:54	 From  Leslie Rounds : But I remain concerned about liability. To be addressed.
16:18:50	 Private message : Thanks for the effort, Janet.  I'll be happy if we can figure out ANY way that we are not quarantining ILLs on both end, both shipping and receiving. Me too!
16:19:10	 From  Jeff Cabral : 48% is pretty substantial and meaningful
16:19:20	 Private Question: Janet, could you reach out to REALM for its response to Dr. Goldberg?
There was a response from a REALM representative that I will share with the draft
16:19:33	 From  Leslie Rounds : We need MSL guidance to follow and protect us from liability issues. I have asked for liability guidance from Maine AG office. If you are following safety protocols it would be unlikely that a patron could be exposed in your library or by materials.  The direct link would be unlikely provable.
16:19:34	 From  Holly@PittsfieldPL : @Jeff--it was also what I wanted to hear.
16:19:34	 From  Kate SW Harbor Public Lib : For hold pick-up notices, we run them and call non-email folks and immediately check out and put on cart. Sending the notices starts our countdown to get it to patrons quickly.
16:20:16	 From  Jeff Cabral : @Holly agreed. There's a certain level of desire to hear what we want to hear to simplify our lives and relax our brains.
16:23:11	 From  Holly@PittsfieldPL : Not "just" a librarian!
16:24:29	 From  Mamie : On one of the librarian FB pages I follow has had a discussion about "odd" thing found in returned books.  I'm more concerned about those things than COVID. Very true. Likely more risk there.
16:25:01	 From  Courtney Sparks - Freeport : Mamie! Soooo many "odd" things
16:25:15	 From  Janet Wilson : Thoughout this pandemic, I keep thinking of the phrase from the children's book "Birch": "It was the CHAOS of FEAR!"
16:25:31	 From  Jeff Cabral : True story, Mamie. Yesterday it was foreign currency and that was a used book we purchased. We didn't quarantine the Riyal :)
16:25:41	 From  Kate SW Harbor Public Lib : Recap of recommendations?
16:28:00	 From  Heidi Libby : Thanks, Janet!
16:28:05	 From  Lauren : Thank you!
16:28:15	 From  Anne Romans : thanks, Janet