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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Perfect.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Alright.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, that's one o'clock.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Hi everyone.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>I wanna thank you for attending the department stakeholder meetings for the extended producer responsibility for program for packaging. If people can hear me out there, can someone give me a thumbs up?</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah. Yeah. Yay. Thank you very much.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>I am Brian Beneski, the head of the Department Sustainability Unit, and I will be handling the technical issues of the meeting. I would like to introduce Elena Bertocci and Jessica Nadeau. They are in the sustainability unit or in are the staff in charge of implementing the PR for packaging program. They will be acting as a moderators for this meeting. Although we've had several meetings now, there still may be some technical bumps that arise. So I ask for everyone's patience when those happen.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>I'd also like, OK, these meetings are part of the stakeholder process initiated by the department. This is the second meeting regarding the topics of readily recyclable audits and program goals.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>This meeting provides an opportunity for stakeholders to ask questions of each other regarding the various positions presented in the opening meetings for this topic and made available on these topics through the programs web page. We will make sure that everyone who wishes to make a statement or ask a question will get a chance to do so.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>I'd like to add to this meeting is being recorded and that the train recording should be available within the next week or so. Additionally, a transcript will also be made of this meeting and that will be available with any additional comments received through a link on the programs website.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>The information from all the comments submitted in these discussions will be used as a basis for drafting rules that will be submitted to the Board of Environmental Protection.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>As part of the formal rulemaking process in December of 23.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>There are a lot more people in.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Let's stop and let people in.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>We go.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Comments submittal is not limited to attendees of this meeting. The department will accept all comments for consideration that are submitted in writing, new or additional comments can be presented at anytime through the EPR for packaging e-mail address found on our website.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>We currently have approximately 9 people who registered to attend this meeting in person and approximately 114 who will be viewing the meeting live. As this is both an in person and virtual meeting, we ask that those who wish to speak raise their hand and hold your statements until a moderator recognize you and allows us time to mic you. So everyone hears your questions.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>You do not have to be attending in person to ask questions or make a statement. Just use the raise hand feature and I will also be turning off the chat too.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>So, because we found that sometimes it's hard to keep track of the chat and question verbal questions, so I will now hand the meeting over to Elena and Jessica while I turn off the chat.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>And.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>And it's a start discussion and then sustain it.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>And I'm. I'm just gonna start at the top of that list. Ohh, we'll address readily recyclable. We'll move into audit and then finish up with program goals. So.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Or readily recyclable.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Just reiterating that the criteria.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Including rule needs to establish some predictability for the packaging material determines as readily recyclable and facilitated smooth.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Annual process for making such determination.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>As for our suggested criteria, top of the list of market so.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Uh, a question that we have regarding the market criterion would is as follows. How should it?</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Be determined if there are adequate markets.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>For commodities resulting from a packaging stream.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>The broad question to start, we have some follow up questions and if we don't get any.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>And you response for that.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>There no response there is then I can comment if you want like the Jessica. OK. OK. Bob Cappadona from Casella.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>I serve as Vice President of solutions, which always seems to.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Recycling, organics and professional services armed so upsetting, and I think it's important from a market standpoint that.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>One inside one market does not consider a A market as a whole.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's very important that you have multiple insights, multiple markets, so it's sustainable and consistent.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>I can several instances.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Such a cartons, no kinds of the market. Sometimes it's not. We saw it with glass five years ago. We had a glass market up in the Northeast here that went bottle to Bottle producing, wine bottles and and then that one insight went away. A lot of the infrastructure from a class standpoint scrambled them northeast to find another market. There was a period there of three to six months where it last was not there.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Well, lock it.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>In the Boston states, in the northeast are.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Recyclable mandatory. But we had a a create some waivers to send glass to a landfill. So it's very, very. Since then we've created markets whether it's Rd. base or we find other markets outside the state. But it's very important that there's multiple insight, multiple markets for that one readily recycled item.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>That was one of our questions. Multiple two is multiple like 5. I mean obviously it's not a definitely a given number, right, right. Well to me it's 3 plus.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Elena, right. You lose one. You have two other options, and they should be at least three consistent and sites multiple markets at least.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Ohh Andy.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>High ending. You should be miked.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yes.</v>

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<v Andy Hackman>Hey, can you hear me now?</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yes.</v>

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<v Andy Hackman>I I just was gonna ask Bob kind of engage on that, that point, what materials right now would meet that three market threshold cause it's very specific and I'm not certain how that's gonna affect the list of materials that would be considered readily recycle.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, India, I think if you take the.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>The the basic items that enter into a recycling curbside bin and enter into a MRF every one of those items. Again, the the mantra here will always be keep it simple and those items that you see 10-12 depending on which state you're in, have multiple markets, whether it's cardboard, mixed paper, newspaper PET, HDPE.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>All of them have multiple markets. That's at three plus.</v>

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<v Andy Hackman>Got it. You're talking about curbside, though, too, and obviously we've got, you know, transfer stations and kind of a whole mix. I know my transfer station right now isn't taking #1 plastics, and I don't know if that's relative to markets or not or or our geography, but.</v>

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<v Andy Hackman>You know, if we drive it solely by curbside and what's considered rather recyclable and curbside, you know, how is that going to impact world transfer stations and those types of things that, you know, most of us also deal with?</v>

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<v Andy Hackman>Yeah, I know.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>I would say transfer station that most transfer station that we interact with are very similar to those curbside acceptable lists. A number one plastic is a PET bottle soda bottle, which is.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Very unusual not to be acceptable at A at a transfer station.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Umm. And obviously it has multiple markets.</v>

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<v Andy Hackman>Yeah, I know. But it's that's why I'm just trying to get a sense of that. Trust me. I've talked to our transfer station. There's something about, you know, they don't, you know, they've got bottles that are going to the bottle program, obviously. But you know, they're not taking PET bottles right now from other sources. So.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, that's a that's a behavior, right? Behave. Try to try to change behavior there from a a reusable bottle.</v>

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<v Andy Hackman>Yeah.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, he right, probably isolated at A at one community. So we one of the that is something that I think actually a lot of municipalities don't do the do drop off don't do PET because of the extent of the bottle Bill I think so maybe you could.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Umm.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know, I think what I've heard is that like your average bail coming out of maintaining, it's gonna have at least like 60% thermal.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>And that's the problem. So is there, you know?</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>When you're talking about three end markets.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Is this are the three markets for a bale that looks like that?</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>There there would be mostly most cases, believe me, we we run into that at the our Lewiston facility, there will be multiple end sights. You won't you you probably won't get the same value as a 95% of PET bottle bail versus 60% thermaforms. But you will you will find a market.</v>

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<v Andy Hackman>And and question for you, but sorry not to interrupt it just and when you say market, you're not talking necessarily a positive value on the material per se, but there is a a source that will take that material, is that right?</v>

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<v Andy Hackman>OK.</v>

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<v Andy Hackman>Yeah.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>That's correct. That's correct. I mean, commodity as a commodities, we saw what happened during National Saudi Indy, right, you you got a a big piece, a big percentage of the markets from a mixed paper standpoint of selling it negative values. But those are still markets that are there.</v>

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<v Andy Hackman>That's helpful. Yeah. No. And then I I think that makes sense. I, you know from America's perspective, I I don't know about 3 being a number, I'll defer to experts on that one and and the department's wisdom on if it needs to be 3 or not, I think it's just important that if we're gonna, you know, defining criteria here, markets are going to fluctuate and we wouldn't want to put positive value in regulatory text.</v>

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<v Andy Hackman>You know that that it has to have three.</v>

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<v Andy Hackman>You know, markets with a positive market value because those are gonna fluctuate and and write the purpose of this program is to take money from producers and bring those materials that have markets to essentially a zero, at least a zero, you know, equation so that municipalities can process those materials and get those to those markets. So that would be our perspective on sort of on Bob's comment.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>So.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, I'm gonna leave. Leave Andy on as a.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Presenter and I'm gonna go with Steve and then Bryan next. So Steve is next.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>I.</v>

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<v Steve Navedo>Hi, can you hear me? Can you hear me now?</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yes.</v>

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<v Steve Navedo>OK, very cool. Thank you. Hi, everybody. Sorry I couldn't make it this time, but glad to be there.</v>

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<v Steve Navedo>Just to to touch on the the difficulties in in markets on the plastics. And again I'm kind of.</v>

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<v Steve Navedo>Plastic centric, so excuse me for that, but it's it's a big part of of our industry and and yeah what you had mentioned not finding markets for for #1 is.</v>

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<v Steve Navedo>The highly unusual and even if there are bales with with higher percentages of thermal forms like you might find in a deposit state like like Maine, I mean there industry wide. There are a number of of.</v>

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<v Steve Navedo>Reclaimers that are dying to get their hands on that material, so the perhaps a better line of communications from the trade associations with the MRFS or the MRFS with the trade associations because the trade association is pretty much know which of their members are looking for material and on the plastics. And I know you know in, in certain circumstances they're very willing to to pay to transport material from California all the way to the East Coast.</v>

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<v Steve Navedo>You know, if the circumstances are right, it's it's not unheard of. So there are markets out there and especially on the plastic side, there's so many things changing right now, especially with the influx of flexible packaging, which is very common. And my understanding is that that market is going to continue to grow.</v>

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<v Steve Navedo>And the expectation is that chemical recycling is gonna come in and save the day. You know, I hope sooner rather than later. As far as that goes. But there are still a chemical recyclers, chemical recycling operations that are taking some material in as they continue to evolve and develop their technologies. So I'm just saying as far as MRFs, if you can't find the market on the plastics and get ahold of of line of communications with a APR or SPC or something like that.</v>

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<v Steve Navedo>Because they would be aware of a folks that would be more than willing to tap into your streams. So if you can't move your materials. Thank you.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>And.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Any questions for Steve?</v>

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<v Steve Navedo>Thank you.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>No. OK, Steve, thank you. I'm gonna leave you on still and fire on Bryan.</v>

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<v Bryan>Hi, good afternoon, Bryan Vickers Glass Packaging Institute representing the the Food and Beverage container glass makers in the country as well as a good part of the glass recycling industry. So looking at the definition of readily recyclable, nearly all of our our beverages are out of the program are covered in the bottle bill right now. Thankfully that leaves food jars in.</v>

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<v Bryan>That couple different types of beverages to be covered under EPR. We're we're seeking that glass get a readily recyclable determination. 3, I don't know if it's three positive in markets, but three defined end markets find that number arbitrary. We know that glass is recyclable. We know that the glass from the bottle bill program.</v>

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<v Bryan>Gets recycled glass that's collected within within separate streams and even in single stream is recycled back into glass. Fiberglass pozzalon markets are are looking at it as well. So we we'd asked, you know that the that the Maine keep keep an open mind on that and we'll send more information in comments as well. Thanks.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Anyone have any questions for Bryan?</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>No.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>So one of the things that it's wondered about glass is that.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Moving into that.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>For those don't wanna use the word fill, but what's a better word? Rd. base Rd. base aggregate.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Are there industry aspects that you know what?</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Do you have any thoughts on how we differentiate when we differentiate between?</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>I guess.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Fill or?</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Uh.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>What is Bill covers something that really doesn't have.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Value.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>That much yet, and in something that you think should be considered recycling.</v>

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<v Bryan>Now so I I'm not going to speak to Rd. base aggregate or mixing glass with with asphalt for for rose. I I'm not gonna speak to that. I can tell you we do not believe that alternative daily cover at a landfill is a a beneficial use of of recycled glass and nor should qualify for terms of recycling or recovery.</v>

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<v Bryan>It's in a landfill.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Like you would send but you.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Did separate that you would distinguish that from.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>And added to Rd. base or asphalt.</v>

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<v Bryan>I'm I'm.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Based on some industries specification or or.</v>

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<v Bryan>I'm sorry, you're you're cutting out.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>I guess no. You said you weren't gonna speak to. That's fine. Thank you.</v>

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<v Bryan>Oh, OK.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Any other questions for Bryan?</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>No. OK. Well, Bryan, thank you.</v>

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<v Bryan>Thank you.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, we have a.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Uh Theresa?</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Next.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>So.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>You want as a presenter.</v>

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<v Teresa Conner>OK. Can you hear me?</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yes.</v>

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<v Teresa Conner>So just to follow up on glass, I just wanna just to sort of completely wrap my head around because we had a pretty extensive conversation in this call last week on Glass, but it's my understanding that the DRS, DRS. Glass in the state is being recycled back into glass and that a lot of the curbside stuff may be being used as alternative daily cover. And I'm curious.</v>

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<v Teresa Conner>And just I know Bob had mentioned three markets for glass and whether there are three markets for glass for the curbside glass material that's being collected and if not, what are the, what are the barriers to that not be managed as well as the DRS class?</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>That question for me. I'm sorry. Well.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Period.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Our class being used in whatever markets the DRS is being used.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>The the deposit return to some glass.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>A lot of it has to do with logistics.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right from a merge standpoint, we're up in Maine trying to find a market for.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>MRF glass and is a long way away, whether it's by rail, by truck.</v>

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<v Teresa Conner>Yeah.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>I think maybe the closest if they would even take it is in Connecticut and then and then, you know, sometimes it's cost prohibitive to put it on a rail, put it on a truck to get to that destination.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>I will say glass from a MRF standpoint. In Maine, the percentage is a lot lower than what typically comes into a MRF because of the bottle bill. A lot of it is extracted it from it and it's in a clean manner right for the deposit. So you don't see the higher percentage at a MRF standpoint when you don't see a higher percentage like that. Sometimes it's quality and there's an investment made that that is needed to produce a better quality.</v>

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<v Teresa Conner>Yeah.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>And then it comes back to logistics, right? Is it cost effective to make the investment at the MRF to get it to a certain location?</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right, that's what probably needs to be looked at in the future.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Perhaps getting into a PGA spec is a Elena you talked about from an aggregate standpoint, so it's just, you know, finding those outlet local outlets of what our traveling along distance to to.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>dispose of the class.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>for a market.</v>

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<v Teresa Conner>Thank you.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>So.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Get this.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Ah.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yes.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Providing reimbursement.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Or the cost of recycling to a municipality.</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>Do you think that impacts?</v>

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<v Nadeau, Jessica>What the MRF decides to do in terms of reaching for those farther markets that may be more expensive to reach? (Bob) what we believe the class should be should be included in recyclable. So and in the future here we will we will find markets we hopeful we're we're continually looking for partners to come up closer from a logistics standpoint and once we can find those partners I believe there will be future retrofits to facilities.</v>

00:23:07.560 --> 00:23:09.240
<v Nadeau, Jessica>To find markets for glass.</v>

00:23:10.510 --> 00:23:23.260
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Like all the other states, I mean, most states do find them. We we do find markets will tell you the Massachusetts, Vermont, Connecticut, we are finding markets and the same will occur in Maine.</v>

00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:30.170
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We don't believe that big glass should be extracted out from what they an EPR policy at all.</v>

00:23:38.090 --> 00:23:38.360
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Umm.</v>

00:23:41.950 --> 00:23:49.270
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So we'll ask a follow up question to the market criterion. We were wondering should?</v>

00:23:50.470 --> 00:24:02.090
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Should there be a minimum number of years that a market is operational to ensure its right reliability? So for considering whatever number of markets equals, you know, adequate markets.</v>

00:24:02.840 --> 00:24:04.570
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Should we also be considering?</v>

00:24:05.620 --> 00:24:09.160
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And how long those markets have been in operation?</v>

00:24:27.140 --> 00:24:27.590
<v Nadeau, Jessica>No one.</v>

00:24:28.900 --> 00:24:32.860
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I guess this seems like pulling a number out of thin air. I've been spending our kind of scenario which.</v>

00:24:34.250 --> 00:24:35.340
<v Nadeau, Jessica>doesn't feel right.</v>

00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:39.460
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, I think you know, we're trying to align with.</v>

00:24:40.670 --> 00:24:52.710
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Oregon, When they're defining their their responsible and markets, they're looking at maturity. And so we were just wondering if we should consider, you know the maturity or.</v>

00:24:53.390 --> 00:25:01.930
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know how long the market has been available in order to consider it part of that adequate market with people? What timeline?</v>

00:25:02.010 --> 00:25:02.700
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's not good.</v>

00:25:04.340 --> 00:25:20.490
<v Nadeau, Jessica>They don't. They didn't have a specific number of years, and then it was just sort of a. And so I guess another way of saying, uh, you know, phrasing that question is would be like, is it common for material for Reclaimer to come on board and then in a year or two?</v>

00:25:21.220 --> 00:25:49.760
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Fold. I guess would be another way of passing that question. Yeah, I interpreted the question is the number of years they've been in business, right or in this variance, right? I think it's more important of the material that they're producing for that market and how sustainable that is. It's not so much and it's not so much the number of years they've been operating. It's more what is that where where it's going and and the material, the finished product that's being produced.</v>

00:25:50.980 --> 00:25:54.790
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Make sure that there's some circular to it circularity to it.</v>

00:25:57.140 --> 00:25:59.210
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So maybe more about throughput.</v>

00:26:03.850 --> 00:26:04.200
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Thanks.</v>

00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:07.250
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Then you need for that everything.</v>

00:26:14.190 --> 00:26:18.590
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah. The last question we had for the market criterion is.</v>

00:26:24.280 --> 00:26:30.340
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, OK. It should price fluctuations for material from markets be relevant to.</v>

00:26:31.360 --> 00:26:32.790
<v Nadeau, Jessica>To this determination.</v>

00:26:37.190 --> 00:26:39.060
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I think we already heard.</v>

00:26:41.230 --> 00:26:45.220
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Moving as opposed to writing the positive value or anything.</v>

00:26:47.250 --> 00:26:48.870
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Anyone have any thoughts?</v>

00:26:51.630 --> 00:26:53.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And the markets are going to go up and down anywhere.</v>

00:26:53.750 --> 00:26:55.590
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You have your.</v>

00:26:56.730 --> 00:27:02.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And advocate for this policy. We we talked about it has almost like an insurance policy for recycling programs, so that.</v>

00:27:04.170 --> 00:27:13.430
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That's fair and probably shouldn't have to abandon their programs on then prices were low because they know they're going back to, like, think that's part of the protection. It's not necessarily ditched because the market is.</v>

00:27:18.350 --> 00:27:25.380
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Taking items off that list, kind of what we talked about in the last meeting that taking items off the list would be more challenging than later.</v>

00:27:26.210 --> 00:27:29.950
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And so they're fluctuating year to year because they're going to get a value.</v>

00:27:32.300 --> 00:27:37.550
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah. I I guess for me, I'm in hopes that this stakeholders are looking at this as a from a diversion standpoint.</v>

00:27:38.370 --> 00:27:44.980
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I not so much in value. I mean, that's a job should be to keep it out of the incinerators and the landfills.</v>

00:27:55.210 --> 00:28:00.060
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And the last was the last point here. Last question, which is any other consideration?</v>

00:28:01.050 --> 00:28:07.820
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We're we're not moving out around the lake recyclable topic just yet, but any other considerations too criteria before the.</v>

00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:09.620
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Move on the other.</v>

00:28:09.710 --> 00:28:12.140
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Because that markets, yeah.</v>

00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:22.740
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Steve's got a hand up. Hold on.</v>

00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:39.720
<v Steve Navedo>OK. Yeah, you can hear me, right.</v>

00:28:40.490 --> 00:28:51.600
<v Steve Navedo>Yes, I just wanna say again for for plastics, I'm sorry but but, but you know our our industry is changing constantly.</v>

00:28:52.920 --> 00:29:23.170
<v Steve Navedo>And as far as sometimes there's, I mean the market's gonna fluctuate. It always has. It always will. You know, The thing is to protect the recycling industry when the markets are not favorable and material is not flowing back and forth as readily as when conditions are good. And I'm I'm, you know, even on the, the, the the side of of thermoforms for example, you had mentioned that the thermoform percentages were high and in the balls, I mean there are efforts right now.</v>

00:29:23.270 --> 00:29:28.240
<v Steve Navedo>For uh, thermoform only bales to go thermoform to thermoform.</v>

00:29:29.450 --> 00:29:34.430
<v Steve Navedo>And there's markets right now for low value PET, for example.</v>

00:29:36.110 --> 00:30:06.360
<v Steve Navedo>I know that on the on the chemical recycling side, the the they're they're currently buyers for low value PET, which they're identified as as thermoforms and colored bottles. So I mean perhaps a a little bit of effort to to find those markets and not just give up on them. And I'm wondering if the fee, the fees that are being collected under under EPR, if there's a way for some of those fees to to kick in to help.</v>

00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:22.190
<v Steve Navedo>The municipalities keep these programs going when the markets are not favorable. I mean, the last thing we want is for a a low period of of two to three to four months and then all of a sudden, I mean there's the policy stops their recycling.</v>

00:30:23.380 --> 00:30:51.970
<v Steve Navedo>A line because the the market is not there and they stop recycling and that community that's you know, people always wonder well it bales or or low and you can get the material cheap. That's a good thing. Yeah. But, you know, correct me if I'm wrong. If the materials get too too low, then a lot of municipalities run the risk of just dropping their their recycling programs. So is there a way for the fee structure that now we're gonna be generating more money in theory.</v>

00:30:52.510 --> 00:30:53.750
<v Steve Navedo>To help in that effort.</v>

00:30:57.990 --> 00:30:58.380
<v Steve Navedo>That's it.</v>

00:30:59.850 --> 00:31:00.590
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Part of the intent.</v>

00:31:09.600 --> 00:31:11.770
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Other thoughts about markets and how?</v>

00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:13.460
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Uh.</v>

00:31:14.420 --> 00:31:19.970
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Demand side intervention with the recycled content requirements might play into that case. That would really help.</v>

00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:21.960
<v Nadeau, Jessica>What's your markets and?</v>

00:31:24.420 --> 00:31:25.620
<v Nadeau, Jessica>In this regard.</v>

00:31:26.820 --> 00:31:29.390
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But that's really good point. It's a really good point.</v>

00:31:31.050 --> 00:31:37.350
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's something that, for instance, it has a there is a material that's the minimum recycled content that should be the last because we want to create.</v>

00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:37.690
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Alright.</v>

00:31:39.450 --> 00:31:39.850
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's me.</v>

00:31:42.990 --> 00:31:47.750
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, I've got a Neal Cowles. Has his hand up so.</v>

00:31:50.190 --> 00:31:50.910
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Thank you, Steve.</v>

00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:52.070
<v Steve Navedo>Thank you.</v>

00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:12.820
<v Cowles, Neal>Though.</v>

00:32:13.590 --> 00:32:14.100
<v Cowles, Neal>Can you hear me?</v>

00:32:13.520 --> 00:32:14.210
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And Neal?</v>

00:32:14.860 --> 00:32:15.350
<v Cowles, Neal>Like.</v>

00:32:16.740 --> 00:32:20.700
<v Cowles, Neal>I had a question for Bob, I gentleman from Casella.</v>

00:32:23.300 --> 00:32:24.310
<v Cowles, Neal>You know, given the.</v>

00:32:25.540 --> 00:32:31.350
<v Cowles, Neal>Like the the goal of diversion from the landfill and incineration, I was just wondering.</v>

00:32:34.700 --> 00:32:37.870
<v Cowles, Neal>You know the the requirement of having three markets.</v>

00:32:39.040 --> 00:32:41.790
<v Cowles, Neal>Uh, just classify something as readily recyclable.</v>

00:32:43.110 --> 00:32:47.260
<v Cowles, Neal>I guess I was just thinking that if there is a way to divert it from the landfill.</v>

00:32:49.710 --> 00:32:52.990
<v Cowles, Neal>We should take advantage of it, you know, even if it's, you know.</v>

00:32:54.340 --> 00:33:03.020
<v Cowles, Neal>Just a a small tonnage for a certain period of time that seems better than nothing. So just just wanting to maybe.</v>

00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:06.200
<v Cowles, Neal>So if you could clarify that.</v>

00:33:08.220 --> 00:33:12.610
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, I I don't. I don't disagree right after the show up period of time.</v>

00:33:13.850 --> 00:33:24.520
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That we can divert a product away from the landfill, that's that's a plus. That's a plus, I think for this exercise here, we're trying to determine the definition of markets.</v>

00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.350
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Umm. On a consistent basis.</v>

00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:29.110
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right and.</v>

00:33:30.270 --> 00:33:31.950
<v Nadeau, Jessica>If we're gonna consistently move.</v>

00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:50.990
<v Nadeau, Jessica>divert, something I from a landfill, and it's gonna be called readily recyclable. It should be on a consistent basis and identify item in that in that area. So I get it a little Gray Gray area there it's good to you know it's nice and divert but I think consistency is important also.</v>

00:33:52.990 --> 00:33:53.670
<v Cowles, Neal>Do you think that?</v>

00:33:52.770 --> 00:33:53.900
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And serials working.</v>

00:33:57.070 --> 00:33:59.110
<v Cowles, Neal>Yeah. Do you do you? Do you think though that?</v>

00:34:00.850 --> 00:34:11.740
<v Cowles, Neal>Emerging markets, you know, like perhaps there's only one one market for for a particular product. But as you divert materials there like your your.</v>

00:34:13.100 --> 00:34:18.130
<v Cowles, Neal>Kind of feeding that market and allowing it to blossom, you know, kind of like watering a plant and so.</v>

00:34:20.830 --> 00:34:22.170
<v Cowles, Neal>No, seems like.</v>

00:34:23.630 --> 00:34:26.510
<v Cowles, Neal>Again, just like diverting stuff.</v>

00:34:27.380 --> 00:34:28.190
<v Cowles, Neal>If possible.</v>

00:34:29.380 --> 00:34:34.850
<v Cowles, Neal>Seemed optimal and you're gonna create the consistency by diverting.</v>

00:34:39.420 --> 00:34:39.820
<v Cowles, Neal>That's all.</v>

00:34:40.420 --> 00:34:44.790
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Understood. OK. I just wanted to know if municipalities that are doing.</v>

00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:51.850
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Our our collecting and recycling beyond what's readily recyclable, they're still eligible for reimbursement of that material.</v>

00:34:52.560 --> 00:35:07.870
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Correct. So if they are taking something for even a short duration or you know it's kind of a we have this market right now let's let's seize this opportunity. It may not be here forever, they could still receive funds to help them manage that.</v>

00:35:09.860 --> 00:35:11.330
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But it wouldn't necessarily have to be.</v>

00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:13.040
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Set up for you.</v>

00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:22.110
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And then as you said, we keep watering the watering the plants and then we have it shipped from non readily to readily recyclable.</v>

00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:34.060
<v Cowles, Neal>Yeah.</v>

00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:37.840
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That makes sense. I would also say too, you keep watering that plant is gonna be multiple plants that show up, right? If that's a consistent market, that is very fruitful, you'll you'll actually see more plants there and it will create multiple markets.</v>

00:35:38.930 --> 00:35:40.160
<v Cowles, Neal>Yeah, that's the goal.</v>

00:35:44.180 --> 00:35:44.640
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Thank you.</v>

00:35:45.260 --> 00:35:49.300
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Uh Tony had his hand up, but then I don't actually even see him.</v>

00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:52.200
<v Nadeau, Jessica>As an attendee anymore.</v>

00:35:59.020 --> 00:35:59.280
<v Nadeau, Jessica>No.</v>

00:36:06.560 --> 00:36:07.540
<v Nadeau, Jessica>28.</v>

00:36:13.430 --> 00:36:16.000
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So I'm going to make various OK.</v>

00:36:28.250 --> 00:36:29.410
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Hello, this is Tony.</v>

00:36:31.040 --> 00:36:31.600
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Hi, Tony.</v>

00:36:31.450 --> 00:36:37.360
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Hi Tony. Ohh good. I've lost Internet a couple times here in the in the woods.</v>

00:36:38.370 --> 00:36:42.240
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>But I just wanna comment just short that that I agree with Neal.</v>

00:36:43.670 --> 00:36:48.970
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>If we can divert it and and there's only one, not 3.</v>

00:36:49.830 --> 00:36:56.220
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>A lot so that we've identified we should there should be readily accessible and you be able to use that one and.</v>

00:36:57.280 --> 00:36:59.660
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Bob, I think that's your first name.</v>

00:37:01.210 --> 00:37:01.440
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah.</v>

00:37:00.630 --> 00:37:02.630
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>From Casella? Yep.</v>

00:37:02.190 --> 00:37:02.860
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yes.</v>

00:37:02.830 --> 00:37:05.200
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Uh, and I agree with the.</v>

00:37:06.060 --> 00:37:10.300
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>The watering the plant comparison develop markets.</v>

00:37:12.190 --> 00:37:18.130
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>I'm not a big fan of subsidizing small recycling groups towns.</v>

00:37:19.350 --> 00:37:24.090
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>It's the markets go South that that's that. I think that'd be more difficult.</v>

00:37:24.900 --> 00:37:26.610
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Tracking, then, then.</v>

00:37:27.610 --> 00:37:32.960
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Then we might think if we could snap our fingers and have something in place to do that, that's one thing.</v>

00:37:33.620 --> 00:37:38.070
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>But uh, this reporting's gonna be arduous enough as it is.</v>

00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:39.840
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>For this new program.</v>

00:37:41.190 --> 00:37:41.900
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Thanks folks.</v>

00:37:56.580 --> 00:37:58.390
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And so I'll move that into our next.</v>

00:37:58.940 --> 00:38:20.870
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Can you hear me on which is material supply? So material supply is an issue that's been echoed by the recycling establishments and municipalities when it comes to making decisions, it isn't financially impractical for recycling and establishment or a municipality to invest in recycling material if it takes too long or if it takes up too much space.</v>

00:38:22.150 --> 00:38:30.430
<v Nadeau, Jessica>To get adequate material supply to return to the market, are there any thoughts on how much material supply is adequate?</v>

00:38:35.870 --> 00:38:38.440
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So we get a lot of it would take us.</v>

00:38:39.260 --> 00:38:40.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Two years to get a bale of that.</v>

00:38:42.610 --> 00:38:45.060
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Bob mentioned it earlier when he was talking about.</v>

00:38:45.830 --> 00:38:47.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Cartons. Cartons.</v>

00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:49.180
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Umm.</v>

00:38:50.810 --> 00:38:52.690
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So so I thought was.</v>

00:38:53.910 --> 00:39:05.630
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Once you get to a certain level of of supply now, it makes sense to to do those investments and we have any thoughts on what that level, you know, how how it might be appropriate to set the level?</v>

00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:17.490
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's a lot of programs do it differently. It might regional rights.</v>

00:39:18.230 --> 00:39:20.360
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Collection that work with a broker that.</v>

00:39:21.500 --> 00:39:24.250
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Get stuff them all over the place before you send the out.</v>

00:39:25.560 --> 00:39:30.700
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But it would certainly, yes, there are certain there is a lot of municipalities that, that.</v>

00:39:31.910 --> 00:39:37.280
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Work with brokers. You know full load, you know municipalities or many others.</v>

00:39:43.100 --> 00:39:48.910
<v Nadeau, Jessica>This varies from his hand up. I don't know what that is because it's still still from Tony is here.</v>

00:39:49.590 --> 00:39:51.470
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And yeah, OK. Thank you.</v>

00:39:59.140 --> 00:39:59.520
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

00:40:01.970 --> 00:40:02.820
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Move on to.</v>

00:40:12.900 --> 00:40:14.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah. Thank you. Yeah.</v>

00:40:16.560 --> 00:40:16.990
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Victor.</v>

00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:20.410
<v Nadeau, Jessica>He said no.</v>

00:40:20.770 --> 00:40:21.660
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK. Yeah.</v>

00:40:26.740 --> 00:40:27.250
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Thank you.</v>

00:40:31.350 --> 00:40:31.990
<v victor>Good afternoon.</v>

00:40:33.390 --> 00:40:33.950
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Victor.</v>

00:40:33.020 --> 00:40:48.580
<v victor>So last question, we are assuming that single stream doesn't have any issue with getting enough, right? Any town that does single sort or that kind of recycling program, there's always gonna be enough because they go to another bigger facility.</v>

00:40:49.940 --> 00:40:59.020
<v victor>The real issue would be towns you know, just pick a few towns like Millinocket or Machias, where it takes so much to get one bale of material.</v>

00:41:00.650 --> 00:41:04.560
<v victor>How much money do you have to give them to get them interested?</v>

00:41:06.090 --> 00:41:09.440
<v victor>You know, for example, if you go do PET, someone mentioned that quite a while ago.</v>

00:41:10.210 --> 00:41:12.890
<v victor>There's readily markets all over the place, however.</v>

00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:19.940
<v victor>To get one bale of PET out of a Machias to go to North Carolina or Pennsylvania.</v>

00:41:20.650 --> 00:41:21.860
<v victor>That's gonna be an act of Congress.</v>

00:41:23.190 --> 00:41:30.920
<v victor>Even if you had four or 5  towns that have the capability to add like 10 or 12 Gaylord boxes full of loose material to make a bale.</v>

00:41:33.330 --> 00:41:37.470
<v victor>But the whole idea of the program is to push, you know, push the recycling.</v>

00:41:38.530 --> 00:41:40.720
<v victor>Give them some kind of incentive to get them to do it.</v>

00:41:42.240 --> 00:41:48.270
<v victor>But you know, I don't have the answers to, you know, what would each town have to add to to get in the the group?</v>

00:41:49.690 --> 00:41:53.310
<v victor>You know, glass is readily recyclable. It's not worth all that much.</v>

00:41:54.240 --> 00:41:56.070
<v victor>But to get to town to do it?</v>

00:41:57.170 --> 00:41:59.980
<v victor>You know the far outreaches gonna be tough.</v>

00:42:02.180 --> 00:42:03.770
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right. So you're saying is there's a?</v>

00:42:04.910 --> 00:42:09.220
<v Nadeau, Jessica>There is a connection between how much you're willing to spend on, say.</v>

00:42:09.940 --> 00:42:13.300
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Helping Machias and everywhere else with.</v>

00:42:14.130 --> 00:42:14.510
<v Nadeau, Jessica>On.</v>

00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:18.640
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Storage capacity and stuff like that.</v>

00:42:20.710 --> 00:42:29.980
<v Nadeau, Jessica>When you're looking at adding material to what you're saying, how would be willing to spend in order to facilitate that transition, or facilitate that inclusion?</v>

00:42:32.040 --> 00:42:35.490
<v victor>And the next one goes a simple way to get them together with their neighbors, you know.</v>

00:42:36.620 --> 00:42:40.590
<v victor>Other than single sort, I don't think there's very much capacity to do.</v>

00:42:41.870 --> 00:42:44.690
<v victor>A lot of those items north of Bangor or East.</v>

00:42:46.390 --> 00:42:46.740
<v victor>You know.</v>

00:42:47.500 --> 00:42:55.110
<v victor>That's hardly anybody doing source separated PET rigid plastics 3 through 7. Those are all the things we're trying to get out of the landfill.</v>

00:42:56.300 --> 00:42:58.420
<v victor>And sometimes the markets are close to 0.</v>

00:42:59.220 --> 00:42:59.470
<v victor>But.</v>

00:43:00.570 --> 00:43:09.710
<v victor>How do you get all those little towns? Howell, Lincoln, you know, together to make enough to be to be valuable or viable? Or what are you gonna call it?</v>

00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:13.910
<v victor>That was supposed to be figuring out today, I guess, right?</v>

00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:28.590
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Think I think with Victor saying is to regionalize some of this, right? Yeah, it's some of the small towns where they can congregate or can aggregate all the ones and twos bales into a movement.</v>

00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:39.050
<v Nadeau, Jessica>More often, right? I mean it, typically you want 18 and 20-10 loads, which is 40 bales and regionalized maybe 10 or 12 communities.</v>

00:43:40.210 --> 00:43:47.470
<v Nadeau, Jessica>into one, somehow they split it and whatnot then that way you capture it and is 1 movement often more often.</v>

00:43:49.370 --> 00:43:55.320
<v victor>Well, that would be one way. Another way would be you know if the folks like Casella that have their transfer stations.</v>

00:43:56.250 --> 00:44:02.320
<v victor>Could there be a way that some of those towns that want to get to? I don't know what's the closest one Old Town or?</v>

00:44:03.630 --> 00:44:12.910
<v victor>Down on the coast, Ellsworth area is there a place that could bring it and not, you know spend a way more than if they'd had the whole program single sort.</v>

00:44:16.520 --> 00:44:17.000
<v victor>Or make it work.</v>

00:44:31.120 --> 00:44:36.640
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I think one of the things we had thought about when we were doing the municipal reimbursement. How?</v>

00:44:37.300 --> 00:44:41.970
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But you know some of those towns we were thinking of Dexter Victor that receives.</v>

00:44:42.720 --> 00:44:50.110
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Makes sense, then, that the name that receives cardboard, so he found some of the surrounding towns.</v>

00:44:52.100 --> 00:44:53.590
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And we were trying to get.</v>

00:44:54.810 --> 00:44:56.470
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Think about you know whether.</v>

00:44:57.340 --> 00:45:04.350
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yes, if they bring some materials to a regional hub for baling.</v>

00:45:07.190 --> 00:45:17.940
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Is actually count as their participation for for collecting that material, even if other child is the one sending that material. Is that the sort of thing that you sort of thing you're talking about right?</v>

00:45:19.910 --> 00:45:21.200
<v victor>Yeah, that would be helpful.</v>

00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:29.040
<v victor>You know some of those panels have already had the capacity. If they're too far, you know, just there's a certain.</v>

00:45:30.020 --> 00:45:32.260
<v victor>weak spot. I guess for lack of a better word that.</v>

00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:36.340
<v victor>A single stream works, you know, but.</v>

00:45:37.350 --> 00:45:44.210
<v victor>We don't really know exactly which doesn't work because Bob could answer. Do you call single sort all the way from Holton?</v>

00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:51.070
<v victor>If that's the case, then maybe there's there are options for some folks that are within, I don't know, 50 miles a Holton.</v>

00:45:52.810 --> 00:45:53.370
<v victor>Make it there.</v>

00:45:59.190 --> 00:45:59.480
<v victor>Right.</v>

00:45:54.810 --> 00:46:02.000
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, I mean it's it's really all about logistics, right? With regards to, can you get it to get it to a transfer station then it?</v>

00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:14.840
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Come and then get it to our Lewiston MRF. Where it's where it gets married. Up with all the other commodities that go out from the Lewiston MRF. Right. And I think the same same thing. I don't wanna speak for you domain, but probably the same thing, right.</v>

00:46:16.710 --> 00:46:19.620
<v victor>I think that's what Tony has in mind too, for the Hampden plant.</v>

00:46:20.990 --> 00:46:35.530
<v victor>How far can they reach to bring in stuff you know, once we find out what's available for revenue in an attempt to say, OK, I could hire Casella to haul a rollout full or I could hire Joe Blow trucking to take boxes to here or there, but.</v>

00:46:36.300 --> 00:46:43.130
<v victor>Not knowing it's gonna, I'd hate to have us get a whole great program and then people don't wanna do it because it's still not enough.</v>

00:46:44.170 --> 00:46:53.620
<v victor>And I don't know what the answer is, but what's enough, you know what? We'll make a town add on what they're not doing now, because that's what we want them to do. Do more, throw away less.</v>

00:46:56.730 --> 00:46:57.640
<v victor>I guess we'll get there.</v>

00:47:03.230 --> 00:47:03.790
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

00:47:04.940 --> 00:47:07.330
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, Tony's got his hand up, so I'm gonna.</v>

00:47:09.810 --> 00:47:10.020
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Umm.</v>

00:47:11.200 --> 00:47:12.310
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Now leave Victor on.</v>

00:47:14.430 --> 00:47:15.700
<v victor>Take my hand down, but.</v>

00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:21.290
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yeah, Victor mentioned.</v>

00:47:23.870 --> 00:47:42.800
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>The facility in Hampden we intend to work once we're up and running again, we, we fully intend to work with our Members to maximize their recycling programs and work with them hand in hand to do that. Right now, recycling is is extremely expensive.</v>

00:47:43.970 --> 00:47:49.800
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Here in town, we started at 75 at ton tip fee went to 150.</v>

00:47:51.420 --> 00:47:56.200
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Went to we're up to like 265 bucks a ton now.</v>

00:47:57.080 --> 00:47:58.110
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Just tip fee.</v>

00:47:58.780 --> 00:48:03.350
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>And that's not the transportation. That's not the rental of the roll off containers.</v>

00:48:04.570 --> 00:48:06.530
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>But that was an aside.</v>

00:48:07.950 --> 00:48:18.120
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>No, we we fully intend you were right, Victor. That's our plan. As to work with the Members, as I say, it will be on the road again working with those folks.</v>

00:48:18.970 --> 00:48:22.460
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>And yes, you will be contacted periodically, I'm sure.</v>

00:48:23.770 --> 00:48:24.210
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Thank you.</v>

00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:33.860
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>The problem?</v>

00:48:33.450 --> 00:48:40.730
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Question about the regionalization like kind of I like how this is pushing the conversation apply because we talk more regionalization to happen anyway.</v>

00:48:41.830 --> 00:48:56.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But she thinking about who's responsibility would it be to get that regionalization to happen? Like, who would coordinate that it? Should it be the responsibility of the towns work together to do that or is it something that stewardship group should help facilitate?</v>

00:48:58.110 --> 00:48:58.790
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Is that when?</v>

00:49:00.530 --> 00:49:00.840
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Like.</v>

00:49:02.110 --> 00:49:02.630
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know the answer.</v>

00:49:02.700 --> 00:49:02.980
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Like.</v>

00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:11.330
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Stewardship group would have, you know, interested in doing that because that regionalization would help reduce costs for the whole program and thing to help.</v>

00:49:12.380 --> 00:49:13.650
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Transportation costs.</v>

00:49:20.060 --> 00:49:25.090
<v Nadeau, Jessica>When we talked with sometimes about, we should think, because the things they've said is like.</v>

00:49:27.300 --> 00:49:30.690
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That allowed the upfront costs about, you know, getting a.</v>

00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:39.620
<v Nadeau, Jessica>A planner to talk to you about what sort of facility you would need for the throughput that you can expect and that sort of thing, exciting that has to be one of the big barriers.</v>

00:49:40.530 --> 00:49:40.860
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Of.</v>

00:49:41.620 --> 00:49:42.110
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Which?</v>

00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:46.250
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But it seems to be something that you could potentially.</v>

00:49:46.930 --> 00:49:49.450
<v Nadeau, Jessica>fund with the education infrastructure.</v>

00:49:53.190 --> 00:49:55.010
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That would be a conversation for.</v>

00:49:56.120 --> 00:49:58.850
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So if we wanted, if we think that there's anything important.</v>

00:50:02.710 --> 00:50:16.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I think it's good idea because the you know the things that really recyclable small town was talking to do to be able to be eligible. They might take you one of the towns. It takes forever to get bale, so you shouldn't be penalized for their small town.</v>

00:50:22.930 --> 00:50:23.130
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah.</v>

00:50:24.140 --> 00:50:27.260
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Tony is, is your hand up again or is that still from last time?</v>

00:50:31.520 --> 00:50:31.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

00:50:36.310 --> 00:50:36.590
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

00:50:32.100 --> 00:50:37.210
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>It is not working properly to let me know whether I'm on or off. I should be off now.</v>

00:50:37.730 --> 00:50:39.320
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK. Yep. Great. Thanks.</v>

00:50:42.130 --> 00:50:42.470
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

00:50:39.470 --> 00:50:42.630
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Is. Yeah, my mic is still on, obviously.</v>

00:50:43.290 --> 00:50:46.170
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah. OK.</v>

00:50:45.720 --> 00:50:46.710
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>That can be dangerous.</v>

00:50:49.110 --> 00:50:52.020
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, OK, back to an attendee.</v>

00:50:53.730 --> 00:51:02.760
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK. Where you identify all the like like facilities, you can hear a voice of the innocent at some point.</v>

00:51:03.270 --> 00:51:05.980
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Umm we can do this if we have help.</v>

00:51:06.710 --> 00:51:10.300
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So I didn't get, you know, lend itself to solution.</v>

00:51:11.260 --> 00:51:12.500
<v Nadeau, Jessica>As time moves on.</v>

00:51:17.010 --> 00:51:21.660
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You're gonna have the needs assessment, too. That would be telling you what is where.</v>

00:51:25.070 --> 00:51:25.550
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And help.</v>

00:51:27.180 --> 00:51:27.930
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Coordinate.</v>

00:51:29.150 --> 00:51:33.100
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah. the smaller towns with the larger towns.</v>

00:51:37.090 --> 00:51:39.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The needs assessment though is only 10 years.</v>

00:51:45.620 --> 00:51:46.390
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Say minimum.</v>

00:51:46.470 --> 00:51:47.270
<v Nadeau, Jessica>thing here?</v>

00:51:54.220 --> 00:51:56.180
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's there is every 10 years.</v>

00:51:58.940 --> 00:51:59.430
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So.</v>

00:52:05.510 --> 00:52:09.690
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That said, it's that something that I think. I think there's a lot of space in that.</v>

00:52:10.430 --> 00:52:13.100
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Education and investment fund. Who are you know?</v>

00:52:14.070 --> 00:52:14.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Whatever.</v>

00:52:15.820 --> 00:52:19.000
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's their priorities, but I just think that.</v>

00:52:19.830 --> 00:52:23.690
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know, we're also going to be getting a lot of ongoing data too.</v>

00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:30.440
<v Nadeau, Jessica>One the best part about this whole thing here, yeah.</v>

00:52:31.700 --> 00:52:37.150
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I mean, to me, regionalization, didn't exploring it is part of what would be development of infrastructure.</v>

00:52:44.640 --> 00:52:45.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know umm.</v>

00:52:49.150 --> 00:52:52.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But when people were saying regionalization, they're not necessarily talking about.</v>

00:52:58.190 --> 00:53:02.520
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Getting rid of a lot of transfer stations, but also potentially hub and spoke model.</v>

00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:06.340
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Make sure.</v>

00:53:08.610 --> 00:53:10.660
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Page I'm sharing resources.</v>

00:53:19.160 --> 00:53:19.650
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah.</v>

00:53:20.580 --> 00:53:24.350
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, so we have just one more, one more question.</v>

00:53:26.680 --> 00:53:27.010
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Well.</v>

00:53:31.140 --> 00:53:36.480
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's on saying addition of a packaging material to an existing commodity is different.</v>

00:53:37.180 --> 00:53:52.030
<v Nadeau, Jessica>From adding a packaging materials that must be managed separately, so if it material could be added to an existing commodity but it would lower the value of that commodity, should it still be considered readily recyclable?</v>

00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:05.300
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You think?</v>

00:54:06.710 --> 00:54:12.110
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Aren't ecomodulation fees? Can they try to gently nudge these?</v>

00:54:13.040 --> 00:54:31.980
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Manufacturers towards coming up with packaging that's readily recyclable overtime instead of bulkinizing the veering away from readily recylcable realistically that they wouldn't split it and make it different from if we're charging them by the difficulty of their packaging.</v>

00:54:32.870 --> 00:54:49.050
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Well, that's one of the things that we we put down here is real. Maybe you can make it readily recyclable and then hit them with an ecomodulation fee like that could be one of the echo modulation criteria. There's, you know, lowers the cost of the commodities that it usually is processed with. Something like that, yeah.</v>

00:54:49.510 --> 00:54:51.880
<v Nadeau, Jessica>No, sorry, I was time.</v>

00:54:54.010 --> 00:54:56.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Thinking about really recyclable in another way too like.</v>

00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:12.650
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Flip side like what makes something not readily recyclable, and that's almost like what the eco fees would do. I would think too. Like what we wanna discourage. But someone like. That's how you can determine whether or not really cycle if it's, if it has any one of these factors then you're not in.</v>

00:55:13.460 --> 00:55:15.630
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know, so you're kind of on it until you're not.</v>

00:55:18.100 --> 00:55:18.380
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You.</v>

00:55:20.330 --> 00:55:24.780
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Only and yeah, Tony had his hands up and Neal had his up too, so they would Tony first.</v>

00:55:32.540 --> 00:55:42.950
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yeah. I just want to say the for us out here in Zoom land, the audio coming out isn't all that great. Having a really hard time hearing people.</v>

00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:44.780
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

00:55:44.140 --> 00:55:47.880
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>And OK, and sometimes we don't see who speaking.</v>

00:55:48.610 --> 00:55:53.320
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>So I don't know what the person could have identified themselves. They're just off screen.</v>

00:55:54.630 --> 00:55:55.220
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Would help.</v>

00:55:56.860 --> 00:55:57.870
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Thank you. OK.</v>

00:55:58.610 --> 00:55:59.070
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Speak.</v>

00:55:57.020 --> 00:55:59.740
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK. So we'll speak louder and raise our hand.</v>

00:56:01.350 --> 00:56:02.290
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

00:56:01.290 --> 00:56:05.680
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yeah, well rate raising your hand if you're off screen doesn't do much good.</v>

00:56:07.140 --> 00:56:08.370
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, we're all done.</v>

00:56:10.660 --> 00:56:11.350
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Thanks Tony.</v>

00:56:12.860 --> 00:56:19.590
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Tony, that everybody else that I'm that was Sarah Nichols from NRCM been talking. I'm in the front row kind of waving like this.</v>

00:56:20.060 --> 00:56:21.780
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yep, you're the. You're the.</v>

00:56:25.410 --> 00:56:26.800
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Sorry, yeah.</v>

00:56:26.890 --> 00:56:29.810
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Big shout them. Sorry. Sorry, Tony.</v>

00:56:29.910 --> 00:56:30.480
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I think.</v>

00:56:32.850 --> 00:56:33.330
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Go back.</v>

00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:37.630
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Sorry, Tony, I was turning you off.</v>

00:56:37.750 --> 00:56:38.800
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I I like.</v>

00:56:39.860 --> 00:56:40.130
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But.</v>

00:56:42.530 --> 00:56:43.130
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

00:56:43.600 --> 00:56:45.430
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Never hesitate to do that.</v>

00:56:45.630 --> 00:56:46.010
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I thought.</v>

00:56:48.250 --> 00:56:52.700
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, I'm gonna. I'm gonna move Neal to a presenter too here.</v>

00:56:54.070 --> 00:56:54.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>There we go.</v>

00:56:57.730 --> 00:56:58.580
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, Neal.</v>

00:57:02.030 --> 00:57:02.420
<v Cowles, Neal>Alright.</v>

00:57:03.620 --> 00:57:07.450
<v Cowles, Neal>Uh, yeah. Just in response to Jessica's question.</v>

00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:20.530
<v Cowles, Neal>I think if there's a market for a material and we can safely and with reasonable cost collect it, process it and sell it.</v>

00:57:22.230 --> 00:57:32.930
<v Cowles, Neal>I think we should. We should try to do that. You know, as Bob said, the goal is to divert stuff from landfills and incinerators like we wanna move everything up the the waste hierarchy. So.</v>

00:57:34.250 --> 00:57:36.550
<v Cowles, Neal>If we can do that, I think we should do it.</v>

00:57:43.080 --> 00:57:43.430
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

00:57:44.640 --> 00:57:51.920
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, thanks to help. Yeah, we got Steve, Steve and then Andy, so I'll leave.</v>

00:57:52.860 --> 00:57:55.210
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Actual turn because it gets a little crowded up there.</v>

00:57:58.350 --> 00:57:58.660
<v Nadeau, Jessica>2.</v>

00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:01.890
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Steam.</v>

00:58:01.970 --> 00:58:02.540
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yes.</v>

00:58:03.110 --> 00:58:03.620
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So that.</v>

00:58:08.830 --> 00:58:09.200
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Something.</v>

00:58:09.910 --> 00:58:10.530
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I see.</v>

00:58:10.610 --> 00:58:40.360
<v Steve Navedo>Yeah, I'm on. Right. Yeah. It's just my mic blanks out by itself. I don't know why, but yeah, just because something is is included in a bale and it may reduce the the value or of that bale. I don't think we should. That that is not should not be classified as not readily recyclable. I mean that's why it it's all gonna depend on how many layers of a fee structure we have in in creating the the the ecomodulation I mean.</v>

00:58:40.580 --> 00:59:10.450
<v Steve Navedo>Recycling by definition is not a black and white industry. You know, we say it's recyclable or not readily recyclable, yes or no. There is so much Gray and so much mixture and recycling, you know, by definition, recycling is not a yes or no type of thing. So I I think a comment was made before. Exactly. That's what why the e omodulation is in place so that that the people that the the companies that are producing.</v>

00:59:11.010 --> 00:59:28.950
<v Steve Navedo>Packaging that is, is not recycling friendly. Well, you know, you gotta you gotta pay some more now then it's up to the the state and to you guys to to figure out how to divvy up the money and what to do with the money to to make it all effective. But.</v>

00:59:31.140 --> 00:59:42.260
<v Steve Navedo>At least again on the plastic side, there's so many layers of of so many factors that affect the recyclability of a particular package and container.</v>

00:59:43.460 --> 00:59:52.070
<v Steve Navedo>That you know, you cannot just say yes and no. It's it. We live in a world of maybes, in in recycling and a lot of ways.</v>

00:59:53.170 --> 00:59:53.560
<v Steve Navedo>That's it.</v>

00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:54.590
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

00:59:56.430 --> 00:59:59.070
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK. Well, we got while Andy's comes on board.</v>

01:00:06.910 --> 01:00:08.510
<v Andy Hackman>Hey, you guys hear me?</v>

01:00:09.140 --> 01:00:09.580
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yes.</v>

01:00:09.900 --> 01:00:30.630
<v Andy Hackman>Alright, I on this question of the the maybe to to Steve's point something that we had at one point proposed in the legislative process was an incentive rate and idea that right now something may not fit in the box of readily recyclable.</v>

01:00:31.600 --> 01:01:01.610
<v Andy Hackman>And I I get like the idea of trying to keep readily recyclable or small universe because that mandates that municipalities receiving funding under this program, they have to collect this, they have to receive the material. So I get that and this is where maybe I'm hazarding a little bit outside of what the legislation explicitly calls for, but creating a space where things that might not have you know to Bob's .3.</v>

01:01:01.890 --> 01:01:32.700
<v Andy Hackman>Market solutions, more to Tony's point, the Steve's point might have one or two growing infrastructure and this is particularly gonna be important when we get into the next topic when the the SO was starting to invest in infrastructure, there may be only one market for a particular material and I think I understand the concern for municipalities around the idea that if we suddenly move this material into red line recyclable that we're going to.</v>

01:01:32.840 --> 01:01:43.290
<v Andy Hackman>Have to collect it and we're going to be sitting on a material that's not moving. So I would would recommend that there is a concept like what we had proposed around.</v>

01:01:44.390 --> 01:02:05.320
<v Andy Hackman>The municipality could receive funding for something that's moving towards readily recyclable that perhaps is an incentive rate. It might be it would, you know, likely be above what is the readily recyclable rate, but perhaps it's less than non readily recyclable. Again, to create that incentive.</v>

01:02:06.190 --> 01:02:36.820
<v Andy Hackman>For movement within the producer of community to that material, because we think there's going to be markets and that's always investing in infrastructure, obviously that infrastructure has to be approved by the department under the law. So you guys will get a sense of what's happening in this area for infrastructure from the department's perspective. But I think part of the challenge that we're, we're we're getting too here is there's gonna be some stuff that's a little bit in between and won't necessarily automatic.</v>

01:02:36.920 --> 01:03:06.550
<v Andy Hackman>It takes the pressure off what goes in and what goes out every year. If it's a yearly process. I know in the previous discussion there were some questions about should it be reviewed every? Should the readily recyclable list be reviewed every year or should it be 2 years? You know how much predictability do we need to give to folks? But I think of it kind of as an on deck circle, so I don't know if that's something the department's willing to consider, but I think it might address some of this desire from a lot of communities that I've heard here.</v>

01:03:07.050 --> 01:03:38.900
<v Andy Hackman>You know around if if we can collect it, process it and there's at least one place where to go. Because otherwise to to some of the points that they made it, it could potentially goes to the landfill. So it feels like there's a quasi market based solution here to support the stuff that's in the middle. Obviously it's it's a it's non legislative language. So I'll be the first to admit that something that we had you know put on the table at one point but but I think there's legitimacy in the idea of.</v>

01:03:39.250 --> 01:04:09.760
<v Andy Hackman>Saying to municipalities, look you can get more money for helping us feed this infrastructure not to take away from Bobs existing infrastructure. And I know there's concerns about competition. I think we'd love for it to to move through Casella and be as wide market, but there is gonna be some in between time and it takes the pressure off you know the need to to really be looking at that readily recyclable list every year and and moving things in or out real quick.</v>

01:04:10.150 --> 01:04:28.370
<v Andy Hackman>You know, it could allow some of that building pressure to say, hey, look, you know we've got one market for this material, it's a facility down in New Hampshire that's that's taking this stuff. And you know it's been invested in and and that type of thing. So anyway, I just offer that as as an idea that might get to some of these comments.</v>

01:04:30.630 --> 01:04:34.150
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Some questions on that. So is that in addition so?</v>

01:04:34.870 --> 01:04:39.470
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The way we are currently, the way we sort of envision the municipal reimbursement.</v>

01:04:40.520 --> 01:04:43.700
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Currently was the municipalities would be able to get.</v>

01:04:45.820 --> 01:04:53.610
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Reimbursement for that material that's not readily recyclable, that there recycling you're suggesting like a bonus payment on top of that, correct?</v>

01:04:55.340 --> 01:04:57.250
<v Andy Hackman>Yeah, a bonus payment if.</v>

01:04:58.500 --> 01:05:19.070
<v Andy Hackman>Incentive payment or whatever you wanna call it for accepting material that's not considered readily recyclable and and sending that to a market, right? So not just collecting it and it doesn't go to a market but but sending it to to at least a market.</v>

01:05:20.270 --> 01:05:26.960
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And that's beyond the saying, you know, covering of median costs for handling that material.</v>

01:05:28.590 --> 01:05:28.990
<v Andy Hackman>Yeah.</v>

01:05:27.670 --> 01:05:45.800
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That's great because plus. OK. And then and then it says the case is that bonus payment, something that you would be coming out of sort of like a general and SO funding or is that something that should be associated with the material type, in particular whether it's?</v>

01:05:48.430 --> 01:05:49.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We have talked about.</v>

01:05:50.730 --> 01:05:53.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We haven't talked about the extent, which?</v>

01:05:55.220 --> 01:05:56.410
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Investment in education.</v>

01:05:57.820 --> 01:06:05.660
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The sort of earmarked for certain materials that we placed some of that money into the the system.</v>

01:06:06.810 --> 01:06:13.420
<v Andy Hackman>Just me away. I'm getting a real bad echo from. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm. I'm only getting every fourth word that you're saying.</v>

01:06:19.190 --> 01:06:21.970
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Simplify what I was saying and say it more slowly.</v>

01:06:26.230 --> 01:06:29.510
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's that extra payment, something that.</v>

01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:37.010
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The SO to pick up or is that something that maybe a material type?</v>

01:06:38.690 --> 01:06:40.710
<v Nadeau, Jessica>industry association.</v>

01:06:41.460 --> 01:06:48.050
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Any if there were any earmarks, funds into the SO funds, that should come come.</v>

01:06:48.550 --> 01:06:52.480
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Give me the specifically coming from that material types for this money.</v>

01:06:53.650 --> 01:07:06.580
<v Andy Hackman>Yeah, I mean I I think it would need to flow through the SO and I'd have to go back to the statute. I think there's language in the statute that allows the SO to collect other materials to sorry to collect funds from.</v>

01:07:07.740 --> 01:07:37.910
<v Andy Hackman>Entities that are other than producers, right? I'd have to go back and and look at that. I know that we had put that in our bill, but the the idea, yeah, I think I think the money should flow through the SO, right, because the SO is gonna have the existing relationship with the municipality through the reimbursement rate. So there's, there's, there's going to be that existing, you know back and forth. It certainly could have flowed from material specific sectors, but it might also be as part of the plan, right that the.</v>

01:07:37.990 --> 01:08:09.020
<v Andy Hackman>SO comes in and says you know, again, I don't expect this probably happened in two year happened in year one or year 2. But it is as certain materials sit in that non readily recyclable space for a period of time and the SO gets better sense of governance, better sense of data both from the municipalities and from its producer groups that there's a consensus that hey look there's this material that's right on the edge.</v>

01:08:09.110 --> 01:08:39.560
<v Andy Hackman>Is it you know, there's markets in South Carolina and Ohio, but they're too far right now to justify the transportation. What if we took some of the same infrastructure, stood it up in New Hampshire, because it can then service Boston, New Hampshire, Vermont, that are all in Connecticut, which is dealing with this right now. And right now, shipping all of their waste to New Hampshire and Ohio because they they're out of landfill space. So anyway, just thinking about it from a.</v>

01:08:40.040 --> 01:09:06.990
<v Andy Hackman>A perspective of in like a year or two or three. I think it the money should flow through the SO. If I get heard your question right, Elena, it could come from either or in my opinion and I don't think the regs need to be specific to say, you know, this money has to come from the material group or a particular product form group, but it could be something that the so may propose an incentive rate.</v>

01:09:08.090 --> 01:09:14.800
<v Andy Hackman>In addition to what's considered readily recyclable to to provide funding to those municipalities.</v>

01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:23.370
<v Andy Hackman>To move that material, you know, assuming they would receive that that funding if the material is delivered to an A A market.</v>

01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:28.970
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

01:09:30.620 --> 01:09:36.310
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And Elena just feels like could just say the multiple markets, the suggestion.</v>

01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:38.200
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Is.</v>

01:09:40.280 --> 01:10:12.150
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The department needs to determine what's readily recyclable and does it fall off or does it not fall off right with multiple markets will probably confirm that it will be consistent and stay on. We're not against. If there's one market that we think can grow to multiple markets that we push towards that. But I think the last thing you want is is confusion as to what stays on the readily recyclable and what doesn't right? And is that change year to year and you want to prevent confusion from a consumer standpoint?</v>

01:10:12.530 --> 01:10:17.170
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right. So that that multiple markets help ensure that they're not falling on. That's right. Yeah, that's right.</v>

01:10:18.230 --> 01:10:19.180
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right. Which I think we.</v>

01:10:19.850 --> 01:10:22.810
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Everyone seems to be concerned with that education.</v>

01:10:24.700 --> 01:10:25.000
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Foot.</v>

01:10:26.950 --> 01:10:28.660
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Tony had his hand up. I believe. I'm gonna let.</v>

01:10:30.420 --> 01:10:31.420
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Can be a presenter.</v>

01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:36.610
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK. Oh yes.</v>

01:10:39.670 --> 01:10:41.080
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>I must have left it up.</v>

01:10:42.290 --> 01:10:43.950
<v Nadeau, Jessica>No. OK.</v>

01:10:41.830 --> 01:10:47.780
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>From before I'm all set is is. Let me just let me know is the hand now gone?</v>

01:10:49.250 --> 01:10:49.630
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>No.</v>

01:10:48.770 --> 01:10:50.330
<v Nadeau, Jessica>No, it's up back up.</v>

01:10:51.020 --> 01:10:51.590
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Gone.</v>

01:10:52.440 --> 01:10:53.260
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Now it's gone.</v>

01:10:53.970 --> 01:10:59.190
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>OK. Yeah. It doesn't highlight and let me know that it's up. Sorry. Thanks.</v>

01:10:57.550 --> 01:11:06.020
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, sure. OK. And I'm gonna move in the Steve and Tony back to attendees.</v>

01:11:06.900 --> 01:11:07.640
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Thank you everyone.</v>

01:11:09.340 --> 01:11:09.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's that.</v>

01:11:11.010 --> 01:11:11.760
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You.</v>

01:11:13.810 --> 01:11:41.510
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, a criterion that we're not considering, which is what we're proposing not to consider sortability. The sorting issues are are resulting from handling decisions made by recycling establishments and municipalities. And if the material supply is adequate and there are markets where the material the system should invest in sorting, are there any thoughts and concerns regarding this reasoning?</v>

01:11:43.230 --> 01:11:54.140
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So we know that kind of controversial and not what a lot of people been thinking. A lot of people tend to say sortability is crucial to recyclability.</v>

01:11:55.430 --> 01:12:01.270
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Can you can. Yeah. Yes. So yeah.</v>

01:12:03.410 --> 01:12:04.160
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But we're.</v>

01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:14.900
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Not be. I'm hearing my new pack on. Yeah, but I got a board check up like.</v>

01:12:16.570 --> 01:12:17.580
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Hold on one second.</v>

01:12:21.380 --> 01:12:23.010
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Sortability meaning?</v>

01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:25.390
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Can it be extracted?</v>

01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:29.990
<v Nadeau, Jessica>From a single stream. Sorry. Yeah.</v>

01:12:32.710 --> 01:12:43.320
<v Nadeau, Jessica>When example like this be something like like a PET a container lid, how it sometimes gets sorted in with like mixed paper?</v>

01:12:45.070 --> 01:12:53.220
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Is that kind of what you're thinking about or I guess that we're thinking about is, is the idea that if something.</v>

01:12:56.030 --> 01:12:57.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I think you could be a lot of materials.</v>

01:12:58.600 --> 01:13:01.270
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Is there is if there is?</v>

01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:08.230
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Our thought is that instead of starting off as if it's not.</v>

01:13:09.150 --> 01:13:09.840
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Sorted.</v>

01:13:11.140 --> 01:13:13.350
<v Nadeau, Jessica>at a MRF, it's not readily recyclable.</v>

01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:17.750
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Thinking that, well, the MRF needs to evolve.</v>

01:13:18.390 --> 01:13:34.220
<v Nadeau, Jessica>To be able to sort something if they were to market and there is a sufficient throughput so that it's worthwhile. So like, are you gonna sort for like little coffee lids that you get six of the day? No.</v>

01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:44.450
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right. But if you got throughput and you've got markets that instead of you know sortability being something, well we can't sort of we're proposing.</v>

01:13:45.410 --> 01:13:50.450
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Eliminating that idea, and then versus requiring that that the sortability sort of.</v>

01:13:51.760 --> 01:13:53.250
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And that's an investment that we make.</v>

01:13:57.590 --> 01:14:00.630
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We're expecting everyone to be angry about that.</v>

01:14:03.090 --> 01:14:04.620
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Well, yeah.</v>

01:14:05.720 --> 01:14:07.510
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Like thing that it would have.</v>

01:14:09.710 --> 01:14:11.790
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Toothpaste tubes, for example.</v>

01:14:13.070 --> 01:14:15.980
<v Nadeau, Jessica>About pods. Pods. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.</v>

01:14:16.210 --> 01:14:25.640
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But yeah. Yeah. So so you have the coffee pods. If it. If it had sufficient through all of us tomorrow decided that we're gonna all.</v>

01:14:26.590 --> 01:14:44.860
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Use 10 coffee pods a day, and so you've got in. We're all gonna clean them before we put them in our readily recyclable and pull up the, you know, so the film so that it is now it's a #5. There's a market for this. And the MRF is getting.</v>

01:14:45.910 --> 01:14:47.530
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know tons this day.</v>

01:14:49.510 --> 01:15:09.330
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Now figure out how to get it up. There's a lot of studies around that's. I mean, I I will tell you recycle partnership is doing a big study on this that if it could there's a percentage that needs to be extracted for it to be a sortable item, right? Something like something like coffee pods.</v>

01:15:10.360 --> 01:15:20.330
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Is it good enough to just capture 30% of them or 50% of them? Right? That's what the department needs determined because you'll lose half of them. I think there is a threshold.</v>

01:15:21.120 --> 01:15:32.780
<v Nadeau, Jessica>On materials that need to be extracted for it to be the definition that you're you're referring to, right? It's the it's, it's just not as it's very complex, right?</v>

01:15:32.860 --> 01:15:37.600
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And the audits, right, if there was enough volume going through the facilities to warrant.</v>

01:15:39.210 --> 01:15:42.900
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Producer reporting right, all that too.</v>

01:15:47.560 --> 01:15:48.620
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Any thoughts from the?</v>

01:15:49.760 --> 01:15:50.560
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Virtual world.</v>

01:15:55.590 --> 01:15:56.120
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Ohh.</v>

01:15:57.200 --> 01:15:58.860
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Scott, then Victor.</v>

01:16:09.120 --> 01:16:15.800
<v Scott Byrne>Everyone's Scott Burnett Sunoco decided to comment on this one just because it is a a really interesting concept.</v>

01:16:16.700 --> 01:16:22.330
<v Scott Byrne>Umm, you know, I think there's there's a couple maybe instances that I could think of that impact.</v>

01:16:23.070 --> 01:16:29.670
<v Scott Byrne>You know, products we see pretty often and and kind of experiences we've had in some of our material recovery facilities down in.</v>

01:16:30.420 --> 01:16:47.540
<v Scott Byrne>The Carolinas, you know one would be polypropylene. So I think that's one where sometimes and markets exist the volumes there, but maybe they can't be sorted in facilities today just because the the piece of technology. So that optical sorter or robot.</v>

01:16:48.520 --> 01:17:09.200
<v Scott Byrne>Hasn't been installed, or maybe a bunker needs to be included and so in that area you know I I do think you know sortation is exist today and maybe shouldn't be included in kind of the definition of what's readily recyclable because the technology I guess readily exists to make it recyclable from a sortation standpoint.</v>

01:17:10.990 --> 01:17:15.510
<v Scott Byrne>I do foresee other potential challenges on things like size.</v>

01:17:18.660 --> 01:17:21.090
<v Scott Byrne>Where, you know, technology might.</v>

01:17:21.820 --> 01:17:27.570
<v Scott Byrne>Not really be there with the the MRF infrastructure as it exists today where sortation.</v>

01:17:28.460 --> 01:17:29.480
<v Scott Byrne>Really is.</v>

01:17:30.620 --> 01:17:39.820
<v Scott Byrne>A significant challenge at curbside of the MRF at least. So I think generally I I kind of support this concept of sortation shouldn't be a a.</v>

01:17:40.770 --> 01:17:50.240
<v Scott Byrne>A limiting factor if the proof is out there that it can be sorted appropriately, but but they're probably are some things where you're gonna continue to see challenges.</v>

01:17:53.060 --> 01:17:55.080
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So what if there were? So what if?</v>

01:17:55.950 --> 01:17:56.780
<v Nadeau, Jessica>If um.</v>

01:17:57.660 --> 01:17:58.390
<v Nadeau, Jessica>They.</v>

01:17:59.360 --> 01:18:06.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>For some reason, faith chemical recycling works tomorrow and there.</v>

01:18:07.440 --> 01:18:24.460
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Is a market for plastics to plastics. There's a market for all those little flexible packaging, things and at a MRF we can. There's a gazillion of them and there's a great market for them.</v>

01:18:25.740 --> 01:18:26.370
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And.</v>

01:18:28.040 --> 01:18:30.430
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The MRF still said no, we just can't sort them.</v>

01:18:32.710 --> 01:18:33.480
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know opportunity.</v>

01:18:32.940 --> 01:19:02.380
<v Scott Byrne>So you know there are some alternatives out there for undersized packaging or small format packaging like the, the, I don't know if it's still called the energy bag program, but that that hefty program or basically put the flexibles or small formats into a bag. The bag then is large enough to get into a MRF survive sortation and can be pulled out. So I you know I I do think options exist, but sometimes there are some potential technical limitations where things just won't.</v>

01:19:03.430 --> 01:19:06.160
<v Scott Byrne>Sort. Well, now I think that's a fairly limited.</v>

01:19:08.490 --> 01:19:23.200
<v Scott Byrne>Suite of packaging, but kind of worth saying. Are there some some technical limitations and some of them are just kind of financial limitations where the piece of equipment exists easy to implement, you just need to add it to the MRF fleet that you have.</v>

01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:26.620
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You're suggesting that the criteria isn't.</v>

01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:32.190
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The MRF can sorted, but is there something that would allow it to be sorted?</v>

01:19:34.880 --> 01:19:45.840
<v Scott Byrne>I think so, right? So if there's a, if there's an easy pathway to sortation that that's kind of common or or accepted in, in some facilities, kind of best, best in class facilities maybe?</v>

01:19:46.290 --> 01:19:50.840
<v Scott Byrne>Umm, you know, sortation shouldn't be that barrier, but.</v>

01:19:52.340 --> 01:20:03.790
<v Scott Byrne>You know, just there are probably some examples and and maybe small formats. The only one I can really think of and and maybe people have figured this out, but you kind of just keep seeing that come up as just a a technical challenge.</v>

01:20:05.790 --> 01:20:06.990
<v Scott Byrne>From sortation standpoint?</v>

01:20:10.230 --> 01:20:14.980
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yep, they wanna go to Neal and then Matt. So Neal first.</v>

01:20:25.460 --> 01:20:26.660
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Like the pictures up there too.</v>

01:20:29.410 --> 01:20:29.900
<v Cowles, Neal>There we go.</v>

01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:32.490
<v Cowles, Neal>Hearing him.</v>

01:20:34.170 --> 01:20:37.260
<v Cowles, Neal>Yeah, just to kind of augment what Scott was saying.</v>

01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:40.390
<v Cowles, Neal>As far as.</v>

01:20:42.340 --> 01:20:43.610
<v Cowles, Neal>Whether a material?</v>

01:20:44.810 --> 01:21:02.730
<v Cowles, Neal>Whether it's possible somewhere in the world with certain equipment to be recycled, I feel like that that's maybe the the obligation of the stewardship organization to invest in infrastructure to increase the, the, the scope of.</v>

01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:13.910
<v Cowles, Neal>Recycled materials, so maybe we shouldn't classify those things as readily recyclable if our infrastructure can't support it.</v>

01:21:15.150 --> 01:21:18.510
<v Cowles, Neal>Currently, but if we know that it's possible.</v>

01:21:19.390 --> 01:21:41.580
<v Cowles, Neal>That the the SO is able to invest in the infrastructure to make it possible to reduce the cost, you know going back again to what I think the definition of readily recycle which should be that you know it's safe for people to do and it's reasonably cost effective and there's markets for it.</v>

01:21:44.320 --> 01:21:44.660
<v Cowles, Neal>That's all.</v>

01:21:45.410 --> 01:21:45.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

01:21:47.460 --> 01:21:50.950
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK. Thanks, Neal. On the fire up Matt then Victor?</v>

01:21:59.130 --> 01:22:00.030
<v Matt Grondin>Great. Can you hear me?</v>

01:22:02.050 --> 01:22:02.600
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yes.</v>

01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:18.410
<v Matt Grondin>Fantastic. Thanks. I'm gonna echo a lot of what Neal just said. I think that, uh, you know, if if there's a best practice out there that's economically feasible you and and ultimately if there's a an end market that is viable.</v>

01:22:19.390 --> 01:22:29.050
<v Matt Grondin>You you'll probably will see most MRFs make an investment at some point in that sort of that sort of infrastructure it's it's, it's down to markets, right, it's.</v>

01:22:29.130 --> 01:22:29.310
<v Matt Grondin>Uh.</v>

01:22:31.260 --> 01:22:39.350
<v Matt Grondin>I think, uh, I I think that that ultimately is is is market driven. But but I do agree that.</v>

01:22:41.060 --> 01:22:59.620
<v Matt Grondin>That the uh, the definition of readily recyclable, you know, Styrofoam might be a prime example, right? If if we're talking about some place somewhere can recycle Styrofoam, but you know it's it's not feasible here then I would.</v>

01:23:00.400 --> 01:23:02.260
<v Matt Grondin>Discount that is readily recyclable.</v>

01:23:10.460 --> 01:23:11.310
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

01:23:12.010 --> 01:23:12.520
<v Nadeau, Jessica>10.</v>

01:23:13.440 --> 01:23:14.860
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I turn Victor on as a presenter.</v>

01:23:21.730 --> 01:23:24.430
<v victor>Thanks. Most of what I was gonna say was already said, but.</v>

01:23:26.340 --> 01:23:27.660
<v victor>Just echoing everybody.</v>

01:23:28.500 --> 01:23:37.900
<v victor>It will be lovely to have the coffee pods recycled, you know, with ELena, said tear 'em all apart. Yeah, that's great. But in our current world.</v>

01:23:38.750 --> 01:23:48.220
<v victor>I could put a thousand of those through a baler and probably about half and will be on the floor and end up in the trash because they're just too small the way we do it now.</v>

01:23:49.980 --> 01:23:56.450
<v victor>My recommendation would be to have those and some of these other good items like cigarette butts or whatever it is go-gurt containers.</v>

01:23:57.360 --> 01:24:03.060
<v victor>They're in that review process as time goes on, and some of these items become better.</v>

01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:09.350
<v victor>Able to be recycled. Then we look at adding them, but I think we gotta go with the basic stuff now.</v>

01:24:10.170 --> 01:24:15.000
<v victor>We don't even have towns doing the basic, you know, classics and some of that stuff.</v>

01:24:16.700 --> 01:24:21.510
<v victor>So it it's great, but we wanna keep away from wishcycling? Well, I wish these would work, but they don't.</v>

01:24:23.250 --> 01:24:30.500
<v victor>And it's gonna take murphs of quite a while to, you know, get something that they can actually capture and then sell.</v>

01:24:31.450 --> 01:24:41.850
<v victor>You know they can send it with their 3 through 7 all day long, but it's a markets don't use it. What good is what good is it? It's just put it on someone else's, not our landfill. Someone else's landfill.</v>

01:24:44.060 --> 01:24:44.930
<v victor>That was the only one.</v>

01:24:46.720 --> 01:24:47.190
<v victor>Sorry.</v>

01:24:50.670 --> 01:24:54.530
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK. Ohh and Tony's on too. OK. Thanks Victor.</v>

01:24:55.460 --> 01:24:55.710
<v victor>Back.</v>

01:25:05.180 --> 01:25:12.620
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>There's a little like I I agree with what what Victor said. If we could start with the basics, quote start small, then build up.</v>

01:25:14.060 --> 01:25:14.950
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>As we go.</v>

01:25:17.390 --> 01:25:21.220
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Rather than jump in with both feet on the wish list of things.</v>

01:25:23.810 --> 01:25:33.480
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Get in. Start with the basics. The things that we know and and maybe that's what you folks have planned, but I I would agree with what Vic said.</v>

01:25:34.800 --> 01:25:40.500
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Start easy and then complicate things and and broaden broaden our perspectives.</v>

01:25:42.630 --> 01:25:43.080
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Thank you.</v>

01:25:43.890 --> 01:25:44.150
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

01:25:46.570 --> 01:25:47.280
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Is my hand.</v>

01:25:48.130 --> 01:25:50.130
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Down there we go. No, no.</v>

01:25:50.110 --> 01:25:50.900
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Now it is.</v>

01:25:53.200 --> 01:25:54.410
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So if I could just.</v>

01:25:57.050 --> 01:26:00.260
<v Nadeau, Jessica>As one more question related to this, I guess part of our point.</v>

01:26:01.810 --> 01:26:04.160
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Our suggestion is that maybe.</v>

01:26:05.070 --> 01:26:12.040
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Are there situation where maybe a material should be recycled even if it can't go through MRF.</v>

01:26:14.780 --> 01:26:21.860
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Whether that's where the dual stream truck or that's, you know, there's some things that you drop off locations.</v>

01:26:23.920 --> 01:26:26.360
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I think this is where like the alternative collection.</v>

01:26:27.460 --> 01:26:43.550
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Comes into play is if they can't feasibly go through a MRF and the storability is logistically too challenging and it's not gonna ultimately get recycled as a result. And this seems like the perfect opportunity to explore a separate collection.</v>

01:26:44.830 --> 01:26:50.520
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know, that's convenient and, you know, collects a reasonable amount of this material. But.</v>

01:26:51.440 --> 01:26:53.450
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I think this is where we look into those options.</v>

01:26:54.970 --> 01:26:58.600
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And to that material that that alternative collection programs that ever.</v>

01:26:59.610 --> 01:27:14.000
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Being considered readily recyclable where yes, we expect municipalities that you're all gonna have a separate a drop off for convenient option requirements and yes you producers that use this material.</v>

01:27:14.080 --> 01:27:19.440
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But you will see the economic benefit of using this material.</v>

01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:27.130
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Tiny little economic benefit that comes from any ecomodulation fee can see that you get out of Maine.</v>

01:27:28.880 --> 01:27:41.010
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And then recycling under percent of those things as a result of an alternative collection program. That's, I mean, that would be a goal, right? So if it can't go through the one of finding other ways to recycle it and it's successful.</v>

01:27:42.460 --> 01:27:44.350
<v Nadeau, Jessica>There should be some sort of financial.</v>

01:27:45.770 --> 01:27:49.320
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Benefit to that successful collection program do you place?</v>

01:27:51.420 --> 01:27:55.070
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I don't think it's. Yeah, it's actually 2 depend on the success of that program.</v>

01:27:56.200 --> 01:28:00.880
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know how, right? So I think it was, you know, maybe that's something.</v>

01:28:02.090 --> 01:28:06.590
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I think there's a positive return system on some stuff that makes it really successful that way.</v>

01:28:10.230 --> 01:28:13.530
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Nice to leave it open, but leave it kind of hard to do.</v>

01:28:14.800 --> 01:28:15.410
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But she.</v>

01:28:19.510 --> 01:28:19.680
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And.</v>

01:28:27.980 --> 01:28:28.500
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

01:28:29.940 --> 01:28:32.850
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Dave, I'm making you a presenter.</v>

01:28:49.140 --> 01:28:49.750
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Hi, Dave.</v>

01:28:51.760 --> 01:28:52.290
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yes.</v>

01:28:49.390 --> 01:28:56.990
<v Westerhof, Dave>Hi. Hi there. Can you hear me now? Sorry about that. Yeah. My name's Dave Eesterhoff. I worked for the Kellogg Company and.</v>

01:28:58.530 --> 01:29:12.040
<v Westerhof, Dave>You know, we're our, our packaging is predominantly paper. We're in the 80% paper. You think of cartons, but then our primary barriers come from flexible films.</v>

01:29:14.890 --> 01:29:16.620
<v Westerhof, Dave>And so as you talk about this.</v>

01:29:18.740 --> 01:29:19.590
<v Westerhof, Dave>You know we don't.</v>

01:29:20.450 --> 01:29:28.940
<v Westerhof, Dave>We don't have a method of getting to to a. What you would call today readyily recyclable, primary package.</v>

01:29:30.580 --> 01:29:36.000
<v Westerhof, Dave>Because everything's a flexible format, it doesn't make sense for me to switch my serial to a bottle.</v>

01:29:36.790 --> 01:29:38.540
<v Westerhof, Dave>Right. I don't want to add plastic.</v>

01:29:39.830 --> 01:29:56.160
<v Westerhof, Dave>And unnecessary cost to to the system to get recyclable. So this alternate method that you're talking about, we've been pursuing. The only thing we really can and that is the storage drop off or in Canada the the drop off depots.</v>

01:29:56.870 --> 01:29:59.560
<v Westerhof, Dave>Where people can take these flexible materials.</v>

01:30:00.010 --> 01:30:00.560
<v Westerhof, Dave>Ohm.</v>

01:30:01.670 --> 01:30:08.380
<v Westerhof, Dave>For recycling and so we've kind of had a a strategy to look towards getting to polyethylene.</v>

01:30:09.010 --> 01:30:15.620
<v Westerhof, Dave>For most of our flexible materials so that they're not hard to recycle, that they're one material type.</v>

01:30:16.500 --> 01:30:17.450
<v Westerhof, Dave>And so.</v>

01:30:20.060 --> 01:30:23.870
<v Westerhof, Dave>While there are pilot programs across the country, like Holy Grail.</v>

01:30:25.390 --> 01:30:28.770
<v Westerhof, Dave>And things like this that that are trying to sort.</v>

01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:35.740
<v Westerhof, Dave>I would say you're you're PRO organization. Your your group has to be.</v>

01:30:36.830 --> 01:30:40.550
<v Westerhof, Dave>National looking to understand what's going on.</v>

01:30:41.870 --> 01:30:48.640
<v Westerhof, Dave>So that they can bring it back to your your your state so that you're not operating in isolation.</v>

01:30:49.670 --> 01:30:57.000
<v Westerhof, Dave>Because if there's a program going on like Oregon's, Oregon's on their material acceptability list has polyethylene films.</v>

01:30:58.010 --> 01:31:03.320
<v Westerhof, Dave>To be honest with you and how they do it, yet the pros gotta figure that out, right? But they're they're putting it on there as a goal.</v>

01:31:04.480 --> 01:31:13.980
<v Westerhof, Dave>And so we'll see where that takes us. So I'm just, I'm trying to give you as a packaging engineer, I'm trying to give you a perspective where I'm at.</v>

01:31:14.890 --> 01:31:18.910
<v Westerhof, Dave>How do I get to, you know, readily recyclable?</v>

01:31:20.360 --> 01:31:25.700
<v Westerhof, Dave>When all they got, you know, I got 20% of my plastic are all my plastic is films.</v>

01:31:26.930 --> 01:31:35.100
<v Westerhof, Dave>So I'm trying to do what we can and that's going to polyethylene and to store drop off. And I know store drop off is a very low redemption rate.</v>

01:31:35.790 --> 01:31:38.370
<v Westerhof, Dave>But if we can work it into the system somehow.</v>

01:31:39.970 --> 01:31:42.740
<v Westerhof, Dave>Whether it be a separate collection that's.</v>

01:31:43.710 --> 01:31:45.380
<v Westerhof, Dave>You know, that's what we're trying to do right now.</v>

01:31:46.350 --> 01:31:47.830
<v Westerhof, Dave>So I just want to give you perspective.</v>

01:31:48.520 --> 01:31:50.270
<v Westerhof, Dave>From my end, and if you got any ideas?</v>

01:31:51.410 --> 01:31:52.320
<v Westerhof, Dave>Let me know.</v>

01:31:54.060 --> 01:31:54.910
<v Westerhof, Dave>Thanks for the time.</v>

01:31:56.840 --> 01:31:57.870
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Sure. Thanks Dave.</v>

01:31:59.420 --> 01:32:09.540
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So Elena wouldn't it? Wouldn't the definition of readily recylcable list be kind of the current MRF acceptable list and some specialty programs?</v>

01:32:10.590 --> 01:32:13.320
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Uh. From a collection standpoint together?</v>

01:32:14.710 --> 01:32:23.330
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I think so. Like Styrofoam or film that take back program, some of that sort and that all be lumped together and readily recyclable. But I guess that's what.</v>

01:32:24.730 --> 01:32:27.490
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That's what we were thinking of when we were.</v>

01:32:28.250 --> 01:32:52.980
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Proposing that sortability at MRF not be required in this, and I think I think in other material that could potentially go there is, is glass. I know you said you think glass belongs in a MRF, but it's the, it's the MRFs in Maine weren't putting glass into a recycling and market. You know what point in Oregon they're requiring that the glass be dual stream collected.</v>

01:32:53.880 --> 01:32:56.640
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know, at what point do we look at?</v>

01:32:57.620 --> 01:33:00.080
<v Nadeau, Jessica>In all the best programs in Europe.</v>

01:33:00.700 --> 01:33:01.150
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Have.</v>

01:33:02.340 --> 01:33:04.110
<v Nadeau, Jessica>A lot of single stream drop off.</v>

01:33:05.490 --> 01:33:20.370
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Not single stream, source separated. Yeah, right. You know, a lot of the more successful programs as you look around are allowing for mainstream recycling. That's not single stream recycling.</v>

01:33:23.160 --> 01:33:28.510
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And so I guess that's what we are proposing is to.</v>

01:33:30.130 --> 01:33:31.930
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Potentially require that.</v>

01:33:32.570 --> 01:33:32.930
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So.</v>

01:33:34.750 --> 01:33:43.750
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And it's appropriate. You know, when there are markets when the markets exists, when the throughput exists, but generally require a specialty program.</v>

01:33:45.070 --> 01:33:48.880
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But potentially require that it be it be a material that.</v>

01:33:49.680 --> 01:33:54.200
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Municipalities provide collection options for so that would.</v>

01:33:54.950 --> 01:34:03.100
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It wouldn't mean that a MRF required to take it. It would, you know, be in the municipalities in order to participate would have to provide a collection option.</v>

01:34:05.010 --> 01:34:10.770
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Great Andy and Steve have their hand up. Gonna go with Andy 1st and then Tony.</v>

01:34:18.640 --> 01:34:19.140
<v Andy Hackman>Say again?</v>

01:34:19.620 --> 01:34:24.790
<v Andy Hackman>Umm, at Elena. I like your point about the potential to.</v>

01:34:25.490 --> 01:34:41.800
<v Andy Hackman>To have those options as required to, you know, provide segregated material as necessary as we've seen the same, you know sorts of benefits and some of the other European programs. I guess my question around that is.</v>

01:34:42.930 --> 01:35:14.900
<v Andy Hackman>You're obviously some of those might not necessarily have to be municipally run, right? And it the one of the other comments it was made earlier was about, you know, store drop off and I get right, you know that readily recyclable pertains to under the law pertain pertains to municipalities receiving funding and then also having to do something, having to collect that material and have process that material. But again, here and there might be a another designation that we use that that it could impact.</v>

01:35:15.420 --> 01:35:46.940
<v Andy Hackman>Maybe in the ecomodulation of fees. So this is maybe in the July category, but you know we might start to get very high performing programs and you know some of them might go through the alternative collection program method if it's a store drop off program, but it might be more broad where the infrastructure begins to evolve and into the future and store drop off becomes you know particularly highly performing for certain material types and we may not want to discourage those material types or those product formats.</v>

01:35:47.820 --> 01:36:15.110
<v Andy Hackman>You know, based upon and it's it's where it starts to almost bleed into the reuse discussion too, a little bit where you know by by labeling something the way that the law looks at readily recyclable is sort of an all-encompassing designation that it impacts both what the municipalities have to do, the funding that they receive on a particular item, but it also impacts eco modulation and the producer fees.</v>

01:36:15.800 --> 01:36:27.050
<v Andy Hackman>Umm it because that definition is such a a all-encompassing definition. Obviously there's why we spend so much time talking about, but I think there's some potential benefit for.</v>

01:36:28.010 --> 01:36:57.690
<v Andy Hackman>I would say a gray area, but just some other designation, whether it be through producer fees etcetera for these materials that are moving, you know from a truly non readily recyclable status where you know landfilling is the the only real marketable outcome for a particular material to something that's got developing, building infrastructure whether that be through your traditional hauling MRF single stream, dual stream process or through.</v>

01:36:58.130 --> 01:37:28.360
<v Andy Hackman>You know something that's broader than just an alternative collection program, but but has you know, infrastructure that's being funded and developed for it. You know, there could be some importance for for a middle ground definition and maybe that's beyond what we can talk about today because it's not specifically called for in the statute. But I think there's there's avenues both in the ecomodulation sector of things and as we we establish.</v>

01:37:28.650 --> 01:37:34.630
<v Andy Hackman>And what's readily recyclable and non recyclable? And there's nothing that I would see prohibits sort of creating some sort of.</v>

01:37:35.400 --> 01:37:47.230
<v Andy Hackman>Pressure release valve because that's that feels like that's what we're talking about a lot is like it's gotta be one of the it's gotta be one of the other and it drives all these other portions of the law that there's. I mean that's just not how the market has always works.</v>

01:37:55.840 --> 01:37:56.910
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, I'm gonna.</v>

01:38:01.180 --> 01:38:01.810
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Steven.</v>

01:38:03.130 --> 01:38:04.930
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Trying to there people getting to get him.</v>

01:38:05.670 --> 01:38:07.110
<v Nadeau, Jessica>No, no, I don't think so.</v>

01:38:07.920 --> 01:38:08.210
<v Steve Navedo>Hi.</v>

01:38:09.390 --> 01:38:09.950
<v Steve Navedo>Am I on?</v>

01:38:10.540 --> 01:38:11.090
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You are.</v>

01:38:11.540 --> 01:38:16.110
<v Steve Navedo>OK, great. I just wanna get just just to kind of a.</v>

01:38:17.480 --> 01:38:46.990
<v Steve Navedo>Applaud Dave's comment talking about film for the for the plastics industry. Film is is a a major portion of of the activity going on in the plastics industry right now. Just because you have an alternative collection mechanism like store drop off doesn't make it, you know, not readily recyclable to to be be frank, I was at A at A at an SPC meeting.</v>

01:38:47.370 --> 01:39:19.260
<v Steve Navedo>Sustainable packaging coalition and a lot of the the producers, I mean they are what they're striving for is to get that label and how to recycle label to say store drop off because that is the one mechanism that the plastics industry has to develop that that market. So you know we can't say well if it's not curbside, it's not readily recyclable you know? If so if you don't have curbside, nothing is readily recyclable.</v>

01:39:20.260 --> 01:39:32.860
<v Steve Navedo>But just to let you know that that film in store drop offs is the way that the industry is going to develop this market and it's it's happening and it's gonna have those labels.</v>

01:39:34.120 --> 01:39:47.170
<v Steve Navedo>End up the products constantly because that's the way the market is going. That's the way the producers this driving for that label. If they can get it to say store drop off, they've accomplished their goal so.</v>

01:39:48.190 --> 01:39:57.140
<v Steve Navedo>My suggestion is that at some point that becomes part of the collection mechanism development program for the state of Maine.</v>

01:39:59.670 --> 01:40:00.120
<v Steve Navedo>That.</v>

01:40:07.600 --> 01:40:08.230
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Thanks Steve.</v>

01:40:10.340 --> 01:40:10.590
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah.</v>

01:40:38.220 --> 01:40:39.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, don't you there?</v>

01:40:42.820 --> 01:40:57.070
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yes, that was the first I heard of heard from you. I'm just Elena. You leaped out a few minutes ago. You would said that for municipalities to participate in the program, they would be required to put out bins for glass.</v>

01:41:01.060 --> 01:41:01.340
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Well.</v>

01:41:03.340 --> 01:41:04.230
<v Nadeau, Jessica>What I was.</v>

01:41:04.390 --> 01:41:07.130
<v Nadeau, Jessica>On what we're talking about is.</v>

01:41:08.850 --> 01:41:11.060
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Well, there, there should be.</v>

01:41:12.500 --> 01:41:17.000
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Consideration of making things readily recyclable, even if they don't.</v>

01:41:17.850 --> 01:41:25.430
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Work in single stream, which would mean that minicipalities have to provide some sort of collection mechanism.</v>

01:41:29.980 --> 01:41:30.450
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>OK.</v>

01:41:26.620 --> 01:41:35.020
<v Nadeau, Jessica>In addition to that signal stream, or any materials that were, you know, designated readily recyclable because.</v>

01:41:36.280 --> 01:41:41.420
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The markets that they have is the volume at which they listen and see.</v>

01:41:43.590 --> 01:41:51.050
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>OK, you guys, I miss somebody point about every third or fourth word along the way, so I'm interpreting.</v>

01:41:52.690 --> 01:41:57.960
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Relative let me clarification relative to the markets and the volume they get.</v>

01:41:59.590 --> 01:42:06.800
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>They would just set that aside as their bins fill with with. Are you saying there's no markets available?</v>

01:42:07.980 --> 01:42:12.490
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Again, there was a blip, a glitch in one end or the other.</v>

01:42:14.020 --> 01:42:14.800
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>As far as audio.</v>

01:42:18.300 --> 01:42:18.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Umm.</v>

01:42:20.090 --> 01:42:23.240
<v Nadeau, Jessica>No markets would. I think everyone is very.</v>

01:42:25.000 --> 01:42:29.030
<v Nadeau, Jessica>On the same page about the fact that markets are would certainly be required.</v>

01:42:32.850 --> 01:42:35.120
<v Nadeau, Jessica>For anything that you consider readily recyclable.</v>

01:42:35.190 --> 01:42:40.030
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>OK. Alright, thank you. That's the part, I guess I missed. Thanks.</v>

01:42:47.140 --> 01:42:48.770
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Standard for that like.</v>

01:42:49.930 --> 01:42:50.770
<v Nadeau, Jessica>He would set.</v>

01:42:51.700 --> 01:42:53.850
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I mean, I can't go in your standard bin.</v>

01:42:55.300 --> 01:43:10.040
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Separately, would it? Would there need to be some sort of? And it's not saying it's like equal access. Like if you have access to a single stream recycling program, but for example as we talked about in some places, glass is not part of that.</v>

01:43:11.440 --> 01:43:17.730
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Does it, you know, everywhere that we have a single stream, we also have to have a glass collection. Like would there be?</v>

01:43:19.110 --> 01:43:28.860
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Would there need to be some sort of target or goals to ensure that there is access for participation? Or would we just look at the cycling rates as kind of the?</v>

01:43:29.960 --> 01:43:30.960
<v Nadeau, Jessica>How to dictate that?</v>

01:43:32.860 --> 01:43:36.000
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That's something we talked about. We have in the end.</v>

01:43:37.590 --> 01:43:44.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>One side of that is well, it municipalities wanna get reimbursed, they have every reason to make that.</v>

01:43:46.230 --> 01:43:46.930
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Has.</v>

01:43:48.430 --> 01:43:49.910
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Easy as possible.</v>

01:43:51.340 --> 01:43:58.890
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And then the other side is added. Well, they just want to participate in the program, they can not put a lot of effort in.</v>

01:44:02.750 --> 01:44:05.880
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And we haven't come up with anything.</v>

01:44:10.300 --> 01:44:11.400
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And talking anybody?</v>

01:44:18.140 --> 01:44:39.870
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Isn't the SO I'm going to be working hard to make less than readily recyclable containers more readily recyclable for their clients, manufacturers that they're shipping in? Isn't there always gonna be a little bit of pressure on them to to move things along towards ready, readily recyclable programs available?</v>

01:44:42.080 --> 01:44:49.600
<v Nadeau, Jessica>In terms of defining things readily recyclable in terms of investing in whatever you can actually practice making it recyclable.</v>

01:44:52.250 --> 01:44:54.790
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I think the hard part is the. There is some I mean.</v>

01:44:55.960 --> 01:45:23.380
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Brands are not forced to change their packaging, right, right. And some of them may have regulations that prevent them from doing that altogether. Unfortunately, I mean, I think maybe that's not the case for everybody. So there would be an incentive for for some to make that switch and then for others who can't, they still have to. I'm not even talking about changing their packaging, but making the program for collection Bill, right, right. You know, a code section.</v>

01:45:25.040 --> 01:45:29.420
<v Nadeau, Jessica>If it's practical thing to do margins for it, why wouldn't they pursue it?</v>

01:45:30.870 --> 01:45:31.440
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And funded.</v>

01:45:33.890 --> 01:45:34.490
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Overtime.</v>

01:45:41.190 --> 01:45:46.640
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right. And and and the incentives are there for the probably 2 to do it in the past?</v>

01:45:46.920 --> 01:45:49.270
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Only SO is also there providing.</v>

01:45:49.880 --> 01:45:52.140
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Funds for investment thing, but it seemed like.</v>

01:45:54.100 --> 01:45:55.460
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's an elegant program.</v>

01:45:56.230 --> 01:46:02.620
<v Nadeau, Jessica>This can make some prep. This is gonna make a lot of our our problems are gonna be solved as we go along.</v>

01:46:03.510 --> 01:46:05.460
<v Nadeau, Jessica>As we said, the pressure on both ends of it.</v>

01:46:06.690 --> 01:46:08.900
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Efficiency is occurring to both ends of this.</v>

01:46:17.650 --> 01:46:20.110
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, Tony's got a quick comment.</v>

01:46:30.340 --> 01:46:35.270
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Hi, Jim mentioned putting pressure on from both ends.</v>

01:46:36.870 --> 01:46:42.910
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>You have to keep in mind that's gonna be cost effective pressure. I mean it it do it over time.</v>

01:46:44.020 --> 01:46:48.730
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>And and it has to be in a practical cost effective manner to get.</v>

01:46:49.390 --> 01:46:52.510
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>To get to the point where we think we might want to be.</v>

01:46:53.890 --> 01:46:59.300
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Because if people are slapped in the face with a with tremendous fees all once.</v>

01:47:00.760 --> 01:47:01.540
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>It won't work.</v>

01:47:03.820 --> 01:47:07.250
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>This is this is the state state of Maine.</v>

01:47:09.030 --> 01:47:12.860
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Hello it just has to be cost effective programming.</v>

01:47:16.850 --> 01:47:17.440
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Thank you.</v>

01:47:17.940 --> 01:47:18.270
<v Nadeau, Jessica>If.</v>

01:47:28.260 --> 01:47:37.210
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So we're still on readily recyclable, but we've shifted out of the criteria into defining material types.</v>

01:47:38.090 --> 01:47:47.810
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And we just want to know if I if there should be any more clarification regarding the definition of packaging material.</v>

01:47:48.510 --> 01:47:51.610
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And I could I could sound off the definition.</v>

01:47:52.910 --> 01:48:04.970
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Uh, so packaging material, it means a discrete type of material or category of material that includes multiple discrete types of material with similar management requirements.</v>

01:48:05.810 --> 01:48:16.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's simimlar commodity values used for the containment, protection, delivery, presentation, or distribution of a product, including one sold over the Internet.</v>

01:48:17.580 --> 01:48:26.140
<v Nadeau, Jessica>At the time that the product leaves a point of sale with or is needed by the consumer of the product.</v>

01:48:27.790 --> 01:48:31.760
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I just like to clarify, we're not talking about changing what's.</v>

01:48:32.640 --> 01:48:36.470
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Covered material under the program. What we're wondering is so.</v>

01:48:37.670 --> 01:48:40.120
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Readily recyclable, obviously.</v>

01:48:41.620 --> 01:48:50.040
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Before you can decide which materials are right, we decide we're not readily recyclable. You have to have some materials and then you're gonna put in this category.</v>

01:48:50.770 --> 01:48:51.190
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And.</v>

01:48:52.630 --> 01:48:56.480
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Institute you have, you know, these types of materials.</v>

01:48:58.940 --> 01:49:09.000
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That have similar management requirements and similar commodity values. Those are sort of the two criteria in the statute. And so we're wondering if there's something else that should be considered when.</v>

01:49:09.700 --> 01:49:22.770
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know, on an annual basis, prior to making your readily recyclable and non readily recyclable, you are sort of reviewing and maybe that's just saying those material type packaging material type.</v>

01:49:30.200 --> 01:49:32.890
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We have examples of what those might be.</v>

01:49:33.690 --> 01:49:37.920
<v Nadeau, Jessica>HDPE. Colored versus HDPE. Clear versus.</v>

01:49:40.920 --> 01:49:41.900
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know, maybe get.</v>

01:49:43.920 --> 01:49:47.610
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Clear glass, brown glass, green glass or maybe?</v>

01:49:50.600 --> 01:49:51.270
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Basically.</v>

01:49:52.440 --> 01:49:57.310
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Also, I think the way the producers would report, which is I think very relevant.</v>

01:49:59.680 --> 01:50:01.430
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So I was just going to say this seems like something that.</v>

01:50:05.570 --> 01:50:07.600
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But they're trying to separate again.</v>

01:50:10.920 --> 01:50:35.120
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And so would this also include things like labels that get added to just for clarification. So for example a glass jar has a vinyl sticker on the other side, or you know a soup can has that paper label and you know plastic overwrap that gets packaged around, you know, pieces of toilet paper and stuff like that. So like.</v>

01:50:36.170 --> 01:50:53.010
<v Nadeau, Jessica>To the clarified, say, beer cans were part of the program, a beer can that has a printed can might be a separate material type from a beer can that has content of those wrap labels. So that's what you're that's kind of what we're talking about, yeah.</v>

01:50:54.260 --> 01:51:05.510
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I would think that similar management requirements and similar commodity banks give you a little bit of flexibility there, but probably would require those to be tipped. Everything that's in that state descriptions.</v>

01:51:06.410 --> 01:51:06.850
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Thanks.</v>

01:51:08.440 --> 01:51:11.650
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But yeah, I think we were sort of thinking vague is probably better.</v>

01:51:14.030 --> 01:51:19.700
<v Nadeau, Jessica>This question whether you want to call each one of those out that example, the aluminum can or.</v>

01:51:20.400 --> 01:51:32.570
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Is there right? Is there a need to spend more time? The question is, you know prior to making things really recycle or not readily recyclable, we need to like have a list of things. You're right. Do we need to spend any more time?</v>

01:51:35.210 --> 01:51:39.190
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Providing guidance on how that list of things should be developed.</v>

01:51:41.000 --> 01:51:44.810
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Keep it simple. Yes, that's simple. Yeah. Involved.</v>

01:51:50.090 --> 01:51:51.470
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Nope, Dave.</v>

01:51:53.830 --> 01:51:55.310
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Even the virtual world.</v>

01:52:02.640 --> 01:52:03.350
<v Westerhof, Dave>Hello again.</v>

01:52:05.380 --> 01:52:06.730
<v Westerhof, Dave>Part of the standards that.</v>

01:52:07.420 --> 01:52:10.070
<v Westerhof, Dave>We use our provided to us.</v>

01:52:10.790 --> 01:52:12.050
<v Westerhof, Dave>Through APR.</v>

01:52:12.820 --> 01:52:26.150
<v Westerhof, Dave>Association of Plastic Recyclers and the test methods, and there's a design guide. I don't know if you've ever seen the design guide, but as you talk about a bottle and the type of label, the type of closure.</v>

01:52:26.850 --> 01:52:34.020
<v Westerhof, Dave>All those things lead to other not we get a How to Recycle label as was mentioned earlier, so.</v>

01:52:34.940 --> 01:52:39.690
<v Westerhof, Dave>The criteria I would just say my comment would be we can't be in conflict.</v>

01:52:40.520 --> 01:52:44.140
<v Westerhof, Dave>With either what the Forestry Association say.</v>

01:52:44.820 --> 01:52:48.870
<v Westerhof, Dave>For design guides and what APR says for plastics.</v>

01:52:49.690 --> 01:52:51.600
<v Westerhof, Dave>Because you can come up with something separate.</v>

01:52:52.890 --> 01:52:53.500
<v Westerhof, Dave>Then.</v>

01:52:54.710 --> 01:52:58.640
<v Westerhof, Dave>This could be a conflict or we're not gonna know how to follow things so.</v>

01:52:59.840 --> 01:53:10.810
<v Westerhof, Dave>Just I'm just trying to point out what's already out there and what at least I believe the industry, the the designers, the manufacturers are trying to do and follow. So hopefully that helps. Thank you.</v>

01:53:12.030 --> 01:53:13.420
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So it might not hurt to sort of.</v>

01:53:16.020 --> 01:53:19.820
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Something that's sort of just says consideration should be given to.</v>

01:53:22.110 --> 01:53:23.010
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That's in the producer.</v>

01:53:34.640 --> 01:53:35.280
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You have actually.</v>

01:53:35.410 --> 01:53:35.860
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, it's.</v>

01:53:37.790 --> 01:53:38.710
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Is my brain is not working?</v>

01:53:39.740 --> 01:53:40.680
<v Westerhof, Dave>Well, was it?</v>

01:53:41.380 --> 01:53:41.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>No.</v>

01:53:44.610 --> 01:53:45.910
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Thanks. Thanks Dave.</v>

01:54:02.420 --> 01:54:03.420
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK so.</v>

01:54:04.850 --> 01:54:10.900
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The next the topic for readily recylcable have to deal with the timeline for transition.</v>

01:54:11.960 --> 01:54:20.740
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And we just want to private that the transition period does not refer to delaying the addition or removal of the material from the list.</v>

01:54:21.410 --> 01:54:30.380
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That's what the transition periods to delay the impact of additions and removals on municipal collection requirements and producer fees.</v>

01:54:31.350 --> 01:54:42.510
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So should the transition period to put materials and the readily recyclable list be influenced by the extent of the investment needed for successful recycling?</v>

01:54:43.140 --> 01:54:44.660
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Or should it be constant?</v>

01:54:50.450 --> 01:54:50.770
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Ohh.</v>

01:54:51.730 --> 01:54:52.630
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, Neal.</v>

01:54:54.140 --> 01:54:54.570
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Done.</v>

01:55:00.750 --> 01:55:01.240
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And Neal?</v>

01:55:03.920 --> 01:55:05.140
<v Cowles, Neal>Hello again.</v>

01:55:07.870 --> 01:55:09.050
<v Cowles, Neal>Yeah, I I think that.</v>

01:55:09.810 --> 01:55:18.370
<v Cowles, Neal>Again, this this should be determined by the participants of this annual meeting with the SO and the reimbursement.</v>

01:55:19.760 --> 01:55:20.520
<v Cowles, Neal>Participants.</v>

01:55:22.280 --> 01:55:33.580
<v Cowles, Neal>I think that they're gonna know when they're capable of supporting and having the infrastructure in place to collect, process and sell this material.</v>

01:55:34.420 --> 01:55:34.870
<v Cowles, Neal>Umm.</v>

01:55:35.570 --> 01:55:40.800
<v Cowles, Neal>You know, in some cases the the infrastructure may already be in place and.</v>

01:55:42.160 --> 01:55:47.350
<v Cowles, Neal>We can just, you know, reclassify in other cases, it may take a lot of.</v>

01:55:48.440 --> 01:55:56.060
<v Cowles, Neal>Infrastructure investment in may take a long time, so I think that it should be just up to the.</v>

01:55:57.340 --> 01:56:06.790
<v Cowles, Neal>I guess material by material is is what I'm saying and up to the the group that's, you know, kind of classifying materials as readily recyclable.</v>

01:56:08.020 --> 01:56:22.130
<v Cowles, Neal>But again, I think the the etho you know probably gonna have to do some studies and some research on what it's gonna take to get the infrastructure in place, you know, but these timelines, all of that sort of thing. So just normal.</v>

01:56:22.920 --> 01:56:23.730
<v Cowles, Neal>Project stuff.</v>

01:56:32.740 --> 01:56:33.960
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK. Thank you. Thank you.</v>

01:56:49.940 --> 01:56:52.990
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So let's we have a follow up question for the.</v>

01:56:53.740 --> 01:56:54.000
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Uh.</v>

01:56:56.270 --> 01:57:06.280
<v Nadeau, Jessica>There's consideration being given to having, you know this transitional period for producers and municipalities which when.</v>

01:57:08.270 --> 01:57:11.540
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Adding something on to the readily recyclable list.</v>

01:57:12.250 --> 01:57:20.110
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Do we does it make sense to have an initial grace period for municipalities at the inception of the program?</v>

01:57:27.710 --> 01:57:44.880
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And one of the requirements for participation is that the municipalities provide for the collection. We were just giving thought to the fact that there might be a transition period for municipalities when putting something on to the readily recyclable list should that.</v>

01:57:46.220 --> 01:57:52.610
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah. So there are also be a transition period at the inception of the program for municipalities to collect.</v>

01:57:53.880 --> 01:57:56.270
<v Nadeau, Jessica>All of what is on that readily recyclable list.</v>

01:57:56.350 --> 01:57:56.800
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

01:57:57.460 --> 01:58:02.940
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So you're saying determine something that you on now, is there a three or six month?</v>

01:58:03.670 --> 01:58:06.630
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Grace period to a.</v>

01:58:07.710 --> 01:58:20.450
<v Nadeau, Jessica>To start it, start the program itself right to start to allow for the municipality start collecting it, but then also for the fees to be adjusted to when it comes to the producers.</v>

01:58:24.050 --> 01:58:29.240
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Well, now when you're putting something on to the regulated cycle list, the fee is.</v>

01:58:30.150 --> 01:58:36.030
<v Nadeau, Jessica>No. If you're taking it off, I I really only spoke to putting it on, but if you're taking it off.</v>

01:58:36.760 --> 01:58:45.770
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That she would require transition period because now fees would be different for the producers now that they're material is not readily recyclable so.</v>

01:58:46.510 --> 01:59:01.680
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, there would be a transition period. We kind of wanted there still indeterminate about the time, the length of time for the transition period. But we're just curious to see what your thoughts are on providing that transition period from the beginning.</v>

01:59:03.860 --> 01:59:07.130
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Of collecting all that's on the readily recyclable list.</v>

01:59:08.620 --> 01:59:10.100
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Andy's got his hand up.</v>

01:59:21.900 --> 01:59:51.150
<v Andy Hackman>Hey, in terms of the transition period, I think you know we were comfortable with that. I just wanted to sort of similar to that comment. Is the department considering any waiver from municipalities where for a particular material, let's say 70% of the state is close enough to markets if it ends up being three or one market, et cetera, whatever the criteria is. But let's say, you know Caribou.</v>

01:59:52.330 --> 02:00:08.790
<v Andy Hackman>Isn't gonna meet that criteria for a period of time we've seen in other states waiver processes where municipalities can come in and say, hey, this material, it's readily recyclable or it's on the recyclable list and we just don't have the ability to to process that.</v>

02:00:09.990 --> 02:00:20.350
<v Andy Hackman>And they can have a waiver approved for that particular material, but still then receive participate in the program and and get.</v>

02:00:21.990 --> 02:00:52.430
<v Andy Hackman>Funding for readily recyclable and non readily recyclable and it may change slightly their funding equation if a material is not being recycled it's on the readily recyclables list but allowing them to continue to participate in the program. It's not something we're opposed to. I think we see it as a way for helping those communities, you know, improve their infrastructure and and continue to move things up the hierarchy versus. Yeah setting things to landfill. So or picking a material out of readily recyclable.</v>

02:00:52.520 --> 02:01:21.870
<v Andy Hackman>That will because you know 10% of the state is just geographically not able to get that material to a market economically. So it's it's a concept like I said that's that's in other other statutes and being considered another state bills not something we would oppose and it it sort of lays into that transition period of you know coming in or coming out of readily recyclable. But this would be you know additional flexibility to to keep folks in the program.</v>

02:01:22.530 --> 02:01:52.760
<v Andy Hackman>Now, understandably, we don't want to see, you know, thousands and that anybody wants to see thousands and thousands of waivers and then you lose the ability for the program to start, you know, moving things into regular recyclable and. And I mean, regular recyclable, unfortunately, is the only lever to to sort of drive materials out of at a landfill, right. So it's not the only lever, but it's the only lever between producers and municipality.</v>

02:01:52.840 --> 02:01:53.670
<v Andy Hackman>Between sort of.</v>

02:01:55.020 --> 02:02:03.920
<v Andy Hackman>Forcing the municipalities to do much with changing the operational practice. So anyway that was a long answer to.</v>

02:02:04.600 --> 02:02:07.230
<v Andy Hackman>Sorry, it's just very short question but.</v>

02:02:08.330 --> 02:02:10.980
<v Andy Hackman>And just it's in that vein. So there you go.</v>

02:02:13.610 --> 02:02:23.760
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I'm glad you brought that up to your because you mentioned it the other day and I would say that a waiver straight up waiver would appear to be directly contradictory to the statue.</v>

02:02:24.420 --> 02:02:25.850
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But a.</v>

02:02:26.940 --> 02:02:31.520
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Varied transition time might not be a longer transition time.</v>

02:02:32.280 --> 02:02:40.130
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Wouldn't necessarily be entirely, wouldn't be. Clearly, any waiver would be accompanied by a plan.</v>

02:02:41.130 --> 02:02:48.880
<v Nadeau, Jessica>How they're going to enact something, right, you would say you wouldn't say. Ohh you need a waiver, have one.</v>

02:02:50.100 --> 02:02:51.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>What's your plan? How you gonna do it?</v>

02:02:52.850 --> 02:02:58.380
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah. I mean, I think even for something like that, we have to talk to. Yeah, Kate statue.</v>

02:02:58.690 --> 02:03:09.090
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's, you know, explicitly said that municipalities have to collect all readily recycled materials, but I'm sure Kate would know and, but I think, but I think that this longer transition is potentially.</v>

02:03:10.710 --> 02:03:18.760
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Is more clearly an option. Yeah. So I think I saw Neal with his hand out, I think anyway.</v>

02:03:19.200 --> 02:03:20.370
<v Nadeau, Jessica>No, no.</v>

02:03:21.070 --> 02:03:21.540
<v Nadeau, Jessica>There is.</v>

02:03:39.480 --> 02:03:39.980
<v Cowles, Neal>There again.</v>

02:03:41.220 --> 02:03:44.110
<v Cowles, Neal>Yeah, I I think it's Jeff, is that right?</v>

02:03:44.840 --> 02:03:47.330
<v Cowles, Neal>That were there was speaking. I couldn't quite see. It was off camera.</v>

02:03:48.140 --> 02:03:48.410
<v Cowles, Neal>Right.</v>

02:03:47.890 --> 02:03:48.930
<v Nadeau, Jessica>This is Jim, Jim.</v>

02:03:49.620 --> 02:04:05.970
<v Cowles, Neal>Uh, Jim. Yeah, sorry about that. Yeah, I I I definitely like that idea of, you know, if you if you have a waiver because it's not economically feasible, I think that that's just begging for some some investment in infrastructure to.</v>

02:04:07.470 --> 02:04:19.710
<v Cowles, Neal>Some sort of regional facility. Uh, something to make it a little bit more economically feasible. So I like the idea of a the waiver, but you know, we put this plan in place to mitigate that in the future. That's a great idea.</v>

02:04:26.800 --> 02:04:27.250
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

02:04:29.220 --> 02:04:29.990
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Hey, thanks, Neal.</v>

02:04:33.200 --> 02:04:40.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Elena in that scenario, though, of of of of kind of a grace period, you still gotta give a grace period if it's gonna end up.</v>

02:04:41.460 --> 02:04:55.730
<v Nadeau, Jessica>at a MRFfor something I saw it ends up on a determined to end up on readily recyclable. We may have to make a some type of investment on retrofit or something of that sort. Right. So you still.</v>

02:04:56.460 --> 02:04:59.870
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You still want to give a grace period of stuff like that for.</v>

02:05:00.760 --> 02:05:03.020
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right, that's what. Yeah. Yeah, OK. OK.</v>

02:05:03.100 --> 02:05:10.600
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You are with you mentioned like question when I when I was saying was like the week that I am not sure that we'd be able to make that and.</v>

02:05:11.340 --> 02:05:41.150
<v Nadeau, Jessica>To just say Ohh actually you municipalities don't have to collect this as opposed to saying you could maybe take a little longer but but there will be that transition period is what we were just yes is is clearly in the law as as being required and during that transition period would they be eligible for reimbursement for the material that they are accepting on. The really was saying well list or yeah yeah no it's it's still on the readily recyclable but.</v>

02:05:41.330 --> 02:05:47.060
<v Nadeau, Jessica>A producer isn't gonna get charged for not readily recyclable. They do.</v>

02:05:48.480 --> 02:06:00.270
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That the impact on producer fees and the impact on municipal participation is being sort of delayed, Yep. So it's something we're to drop you a producer has a certain amount of time before they're going to get.</v>

02:06:01.390 --> 02:06:08.370
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Wax right? And it's something where we added a municipality. We've works, etcetera have a certain amount of time before they so.</v>

02:06:13.150 --> 02:06:18.280
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And I also wonder about finding the timeline would like a minimum and a maximum.</v>

02:06:19.030 --> 02:06:22.470
<v Nadeau, Jessica>He could like parameters. If we don't, don't set a.</v>

02:06:23.440 --> 02:06:44.910
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Particular grace period, like six months might work for some things, but not for all things, but maybe to have some sort of within this range of time sometime between three months and nine or I don't know, I don't know what the perfect numbers that are help people transition between except not accepting the material or switching the packaging.</v>

02:06:46.190 --> 02:06:52.840
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But maybe having some sort of caps and you know right that are reasonable set that range and then?</v>

02:06:53.640 --> 02:06:55.660
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right annual meeting could set.</v>

02:06:56.650 --> 02:07:02.380
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right on a on a material this race, where does this material fall? Yeah, yeah.</v>

02:07:02.710 --> 02:07:09.900
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's OK Neal. Ohh, you have 10 years still transition, right? Right. Yeah, he's got his.</v>

02:07:11.040 --> 02:07:11.660
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And up.</v>

02:07:19.140 --> 02:07:21.170
<v Cowles, Neal>Yeah, I was just wanting to.</v>

02:07:22.690 --> 02:07:28.340
<v Cowles, Neal>Could you clarify what you said about municipalities receiving reimbursement for materials that?</v>

02:07:29.950 --> 02:07:33.650
<v Cowles, Neal>Perhaps they're not able to economically.</v>

02:07:35.210 --> 02:07:55.310
<v Cowles, Neal>But you know, just because they're not economically able to recycle those materials, are they gonna be reimbursed for those or are you saying that they are given a waiver so that they can still participate in the program without being forced out because they're not able to to receive those?</v>

02:07:58.460 --> 02:07:59.870
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The transition is is.</v>

02:08:00.790 --> 02:08:03.890
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And specifically in the statute is talking about.</v>

02:08:05.320 --> 02:08:08.420
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Impact on municipal collection of packaging.</v>

02:08:10.360 --> 02:08:10.890
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So.</v>

02:08:11.570 --> 02:08:14.630
<v Nadeau, Jessica>They will be kicked out of the program because they're not collecting.</v>

02:08:16.370 --> 02:08:20.090
<v Cowles, Neal>OK. But they also wouldn't receive reimbursement for that?</v>

02:08:21.830 --> 02:08:22.760
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right, right.</v>

02:08:23.130 --> 02:08:23.390
<v Cowles, Neal>OK.</v>

02:08:24.050 --> 02:08:25.400
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Cycles material I wouldn't think.</v>

02:08:26.110 --> 02:08:28.380
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That's that wouldn't seem to be worked.</v>

02:08:28.460 --> 02:08:29.930
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Definition is the time if you have.</v>

02:08:31.810 --> 02:08:32.530
<v Cowles, Neal>OK so.</v>

02:08:31.490 --> 02:08:33.340
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The other materials and recycle.</v>

02:08:34.670 --> 02:08:38.270
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But not if they're not collecting it for recycling. That would be.</v>

02:08:39.590 --> 02:08:39.840
<v Cowles, Neal>Yeah.</v>

02:08:39.230 --> 02:08:40.040
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Qualified. It's free.</v>

02:08:41.730 --> 02:08:51.920
<v Cowles, Neal>Yeah. So they're, they're landfilling that, essentially or incinerating it. So they would receive like that rate or like, but they wouldn't be reimbursed at the normal rate.</v>

02:08:52.950 --> 02:08:53.840
<v Cowles, Neal>OK, got it.</v>

02:08:54.730 --> 02:08:55.040
<v Cowles, Neal>Thank you.</v>

02:08:58.820 --> 02:09:01.760
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I don't know if, well, I don't know if they would be.</v>

02:09:02.540 --> 02:09:06.790
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So. So right, the way we propose the municipal reimbursements where?</v>

02:09:09.440 --> 02:09:10.290
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Median.</v>

02:09:11.220 --> 02:09:18.000
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Cost or readily recyclable materials that are recycled and then for materials that are not readily recycled.</v>

02:09:19.840 --> 02:09:21.700
<v Nadeau, Jessica>A per capita payment.</v>

02:09:22.820 --> 02:09:26.810
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But I don't I you know this this idea of.</v>

02:09:28.180 --> 02:09:48.130
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Allowing for a longer transition for some municipalities to something that we haven't thought about a lot, but I I don't the material would be the transition is not the material would be readily recyclable during during that transition time and material would be considered readily recyclable.</v>

02:09:48.820 --> 02:09:49.350
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So.</v>

02:09:50.760 --> 02:09:53.980
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So I municipality at Caribou, we're not.</v>

02:09:55.170 --> 02:10:00.150
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Collecting that material that because it was in transition, it was not built yet.</v>

02:10:00.980 --> 02:10:04.510
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Some sort of per capita payment for it not being very respectful.</v>

02:10:05.490 --> 02:10:07.990
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But it's already on the red line recyclable list.</v>

02:10:08.740 --> 02:10:10.260
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Is the way I would interpret that.</v>

02:10:11.810 --> 02:10:17.400
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That was your question, right? That could be 1 interpretation or includes receiving that.</v>

02:10:17.480 --> 02:10:18.010
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Perfect.</v>

02:10:20.940 --> 02:10:21.170
<v Cowles, Neal>Yep.</v>

02:10:19.560 --> 02:10:21.230
<v Nadeau, Jessica>During that transition to be treated.</v>

02:10:21.960 --> 02:10:22.370
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah.</v>

02:10:22.800 --> 02:10:24.470
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That's OK.</v>

02:10:35.800 --> 02:10:37.150
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, I had something.</v>

02:10:39.320 --> 02:10:39.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The first.</v>

02:10:40.680 --> 02:10:45.230
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You hand, as it's next year for some more municipality, but they think about timing but.</v>

02:10:46.460 --> 02:10:59.430
<v Nadeau, Jessica>If it means helping's not collecting something now, that is probably readily recyclable and mean. That's take some upfront investment for them and I would make they would have to plan for that in their budgets and reason why you get that approved and all that somethings lots of time and.</v>

02:11:00.150 --> 02:11:08.640
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So it's not something that just be like, oh, it's just like set up the same thing, just keeps testing you guys. So I don't know. I don't know if that answer is, but I feel like it.</v>

02:11:10.360 --> 02:11:11.120
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I don't know or.</v>

02:11:12.710 --> 02:11:28.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Maybe they're waiting for the education infrastructure investment money to come in to set that up for them, and maybe they want to wait for that. Or they invest on it on their own and they have to get reimbursed for that ended up you ended up initially. Yeah. Yeah. That's our next question, right.</v>

02:11:29.830 --> 02:11:45.370
<v Nadeau, Jessica>To get in the door. So our next question, we know that's the one we covered while you were. Does it make sense to have the actual grace period? Yeah. So that's what you're talking about, right? Like, right, so readily recyclable. We have this friendly recyclable list. But for the first two years.</v>

02:11:46.160 --> 02:11:57.810
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Absolutely longer I I mean, I think, yeah, I would think you would need at least that right or to see what we have talked about education, infrastructure yet like what's available, like what kind of.</v>

02:11:58.810 --> 02:12:06.360
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah. OK. Could potentially depend on how much is available and how right and maybe that would. That's first, I don't know.</v>

02:12:07.910 --> 02:12:16.630
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I think a lot of this is good to focus on that first year because after that the things will be kind of so that first year super important and now it's gotten the money back that they didn't.</v>

02:12:17.640 --> 02:12:18.080
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right.</v>

02:12:20.130 --> 02:12:21.310
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right, right.</v>

02:12:23.860 --> 02:12:24.290
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You ready?</v>

02:12:27.150 --> 02:12:29.480
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Once it gets written to the rain apartment.</v>

02:12:31.140 --> 02:12:33.130
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, so that means that the process.</v>

02:12:36.740 --> 02:12:37.090
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

02:12:37.780 --> 02:12:38.200
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So.</v>

02:12:39.470 --> 02:12:47.020
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Umm, speaking to our motto here, keeping it simple, we're seeing 3 clear steps in this process.</v>

02:12:48.300 --> 02:13:08.570
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So we're talking about the annual process right now. We're going from criteria and we're talking to the annual process where something happens and that decision is made about what's really is like 1%, OK, so we condensed it to three, three steps, accepting comments considering comments and then making the decision.</v>

02:13:09.390 --> 02:13:13.960
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So for step one accepting comments, we're asking.</v>

02:13:14.640 --> 02:13:23.970
<v Nadeau, Jessica>How should suggest it inclusions and updates to the process of determining what packaging materials related cyclable be assembled?</v>

02:13:24.720 --> 02:13:27.370
<v Nadeau, Jessica>How should suggested inclusions updates too?</v>

02:13:28.140 --> 02:13:30.890
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Let's yeah to the list.</v>

02:13:32.580 --> 02:13:35.840
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Of determining what is better recyclable, we assembled.</v>

02:13:37.320 --> 02:13:47.370
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So we had some like rapid fire like shouldn't the SO DEP submit a proposal? Should other entities inform the proposal?</v>

02:13:52.110 --> 02:13:56.940
<v Nadeau, Jessica>What about the procedure for informing such a proposal? And then we were thinking.</v>

02:13:58.270 --> 02:14:05.130
<v Nadeau, Jessica>As another question too, should should the burden of proof for any inclusion or update be on the entity that suggested it.</v>

02:14:10.870 --> 02:14:13.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I like that last one. OK, you want it added.</v>

02:14:13.970 --> 02:14:14.880
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Thank you.</v>

02:14:17.250 --> 02:14:17.950
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That's the one.</v>

02:14:22.660 --> 02:14:26.180
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We shouldn't be a criteria to bring it to the table.</v>

02:14:27.220 --> 02:14:28.630
<v Nadeau, Jessica>With a particular item.</v>

02:14:29.580 --> 02:14:30.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right. I mean.</v>

02:14:32.050 --> 02:14:48.180
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The three you know? Yeah. Is there a market? Is it safe to extract write all of that? So we should bring it to the table. Should DEP have done some research or the SO have done some research and say look, these are the things that we think potentially fit here or should.</v>

02:14:49.170 --> 02:15:14.460
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know, producer groups come in and say this is we think this fits now, I guess that's wouldn't it be the the producer group, I mean they have the most interested in making their product readily recyclable and they'd be more apt to be able to prove it. Well you you have three kind of three groups of stakeholders, right. Yeah. You have government, right municipalities. You have the producers and you have the private sector.</v>

02:15:16.850 --> 02:15:27.420
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The what I've seen in the experience and it would be the producer and municipalities too. Yeah, I don't know why this wasn't a readily recyclable. Right. So they wanna. They may wanna suggest.</v>

02:15:29.110 --> 02:15:32.910
<v Nadeau, Jessica>True. Yeah, I municipalities might want to say this is not recyclable.</v>

02:15:33.030 --> 02:15:36.040
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We gotta take place first. Yeah. Vice versa too.</v>

02:15:38.920 --> 02:15:42.150
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right. And so whoever is suggesting the change would be?</v>

02:15:43.250 --> 02:15:44.150
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That in.</v>

02:15:44.880 --> 02:15:46.420
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Come to the table with.</v>

02:15:47.250 --> 02:15:57.460
<v Nadeau, Jessica>This is why I think so. Like we give out grants and we set criteria about sometimes we get proposals that don't match anything that you know, but that today, you know, you know that's all fine.</v>

02:16:02.020 --> 02:16:05.090
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I thought I saw Neal with his hand up, but I think he might have put it down there.</v>

02:16:12.470 --> 02:16:13.660
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We're gonna do a lot of people.</v>

02:16:14.720 --> 02:16:15.280
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And.</v>

02:16:16.020 --> 02:16:17.010
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You never know.</v>

02:16:21.110 --> 02:16:22.360
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know, is there any?</v>

02:16:26.020 --> 02:16:37.180
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I'm a little bit concerned with the idea of going to whatever this thing is meeting or or even if it's something like that over there, submitted and.</v>

02:16:38.320 --> 02:16:38.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Crickets.</v>

02:16:39.710 --> 02:16:46.850
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I don't know why we do worry about that, but you know, like you're you. You're like, OK, let's decide. Really recycle. And you just got nothing.</v>

02:16:48.260 --> 02:16:57.520
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Wouldn't there be a review of the previous year if you're doing something like this annually, wouldn't it fall under a review of the current readily recyclable list?</v>

02:16:59.170 --> 02:17:08.220
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Plus, you'll also have information on what's being shipped into the state, and that should raise the flag if it's huge and not being handled.</v>

02:17:10.400 --> 02:17:12.240
<v Nadeau, Jessica>There'll be bunch of information.</v>

02:17:14.710 --> 02:17:17.260
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So information to consider would be.</v>

02:17:17.340 --> 02:17:17.790
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That's.</v>

02:17:20.140 --> 02:17:20.540
<v Nadeau, Jessica>No.</v>

02:17:22.650 --> 02:17:33.360
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Information on the amount of various material types that are coming in, as you know, producers are reporting how to take them. Yeah, there's something you want to do this right.</v>

02:17:34.890 --> 02:17:35.620
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Only people.</v>

02:17:36.700 --> 02:17:37.070
<v Nadeau, Jessica>In.</v>

02:17:38.850 --> 02:17:40.680
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Neal's got his hand up again. I'm gonna.</v>

02:17:52.580 --> 02:17:53.370
<v Cowles, Neal>Hello. Yes.</v>

02:17:55.110 --> 02:18:00.200
<v Cowles, Neal>I was. I was thinking that the SO could.</v>

02:18:01.470 --> 02:18:09.320
<v Cowles, Neal>Initiate a study on the economic feasibility of this the safety, like how reasonable this is.</v>

02:18:10.180 --> 02:18:23.680
<v Cowles, Neal>And, you know, make all the the findings publicly accessible and kind of present the the case at this annual meeting to all of these stakeholders. So I don't, I don't think just.</v>

02:18:24.370 --> 02:18:28.900
<v Cowles, Neal>Rolling in blind to this meeting and and posing ideas is is a.</v>

02:18:28.960 --> 02:18:29.180
<v Cowles, Neal>It's.</v>

02:18:30.260 --> 02:18:41.100
<v Cowles, Neal>A good way to proceed, but you know having some some actual data behind you would be a a a good thing. I think probably a a requirement even.</v>

02:18:46.360 --> 02:18:47.690
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We could ptentially have a.</v>

02:18:49.330 --> 02:18:58.520
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Deadline for submitting proposed changes that somebody wants to submit proposed changes things that's so could do complete study.</v>

02:18:59.210 --> 02:19:10.440
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Would be one way of doing it. Putting it on the SO, but you could also do a deadline by which somebody has to propose a change along with data.</v>

02:19:11.190 --> 02:19:15.120
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And the SO sort of assembles those and distribute those and then.</v>

02:19:16.290 --> 02:19:16.800
<v Nadeau, Jessica>With that.</v>

02:19:20.740 --> 02:19:21.010
<v Cowles, Neal>Yeah.</v>

02:19:23.190 --> 02:19:24.680
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Giving, making sure you have.</v>

02:19:27.180 --> 02:19:34.450
<v Nadeau, Jessica>As for everyone's their right to have already considered this prior to going to be sharing about it, and then a comment period afterward.</v>

02:19:35.720 --> 02:19:36.430
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Potentially.</v>

02:19:42.120 --> 02:19:44.710
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yes, so Step 2 is considering the comments.</v>

02:19:46.630 --> 02:19:48.270
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And then we mentioned.</v>

02:19:52.120 --> 02:19:52.730
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Comment period.</v>

02:19:56.360 --> 02:20:01.970
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And then step three is making that decision. So how should the final decision be made and by who?</v>

02:20:12.040 --> 02:20:12.680
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Correctly.</v>

02:20:15.590 --> 02:20:18.700
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, that we have strong opinions. I feel like it should be strong opinions.</v>

02:20:21.680 --> 02:20:22.030
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And you.</v>

02:20:28.510 --> 02:20:29.190
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So who?</v>

02:20:21.440 --> 02:20:31.050
<v Cowles, Neal>Yeah, perhaps we you just put it to a vote to the the the Members of this meeting, or maybe there has to be a a quorum or something.</v>

02:20:32.490 --> 02:20:40.240
<v Cowles, Neal>And then like submit this to the approval of the department, it was like the final say, yes, this is reasonable no it's not.</v>

02:20:41.650 --> 02:20:42.680
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Who are the members, Neal?</v>

02:20:45.590 --> 02:20:48.600
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Government, producers private sectors, right, I think.</v>

02:20:48.120 --> 02:20:49.270
<v Cowles, Neal>The the.</v>

02:20:50.250 --> 02:20:51.030
<v Nadeau, Jessica>three group.</v>

02:20:50.340 --> 02:20:58.020
<v Cowles, Neal>The the the members are the SO and the people that are are the municipalities participating in reimbursement program.</v>

02:21:00.690 --> 02:21:02.580
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Municipalities and recycling.</v>

02:21:03.600 --> 02:21:04.770
<v Nadeau, Jessica>3 groups government.</v>

02:21:09.380 --> 02:21:13.390
<v Nadeau, Jessica>All three on something being added or taken off.</v>

02:21:15.860 --> 02:21:16.250
<v Cowles, Neal>Yes.</v>

02:21:17.260 --> 02:21:21.280
<v Nadeau, Jessica>There's a board for this. SO right? That's supposed to have representation of everybody on it.</v>

02:21:23.950 --> 02:21:25.220
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The board, right?</v>

02:21:33.010 --> 02:21:37.260
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Well, is it? Is it a? Is it a set group of people or is it you know?</v>

02:21:39.090 --> 02:21:40.200
<v Nadeau, Jessica>These.</v>

02:21:41.720 --> 02:21:46.400
<v Nadeau, Jessica>One if you wanna. If you've been feel like you have a stake in this and have something to say.</v>

02:21:50.930 --> 02:22:02.390
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I mean, who outside those three groups would be coming? But I don't know if it's anyone outside the groups. But even within those three groups, are you are you? Are you saying it's it's this person's personality person are you playing?</v>

02:22:04.470 --> 02:22:06.130
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Show up here.</v>

02:22:07.080 --> 02:22:09.640
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Umm, I think it needs to be a designated group.</v>

02:22:11.090 --> 02:22:14.190
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Doesn't make individual, so then you have to choose those individuals.</v>

02:22:16.410 --> 02:22:16.820
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You can.</v>

02:22:17.560 --> 02:22:28.250
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We feed them. So Cictors, Victor's got his hand up. Wanna go with Victor? And I think I saw Tony, too, but then I thought so it disappear.</v>

02:22:34.780 --> 02:22:35.950
<v victor>I just had a quick one.</v>

02:22:37.400 --> 02:22:43.650
<v victor>I think your broker survey outlines a lot of the different people that buy this stuff through the country.</v>

02:22:45.290 --> 02:22:53.790
<v victor>They should have a say in what's readily recyclable. Also, shouldn't they? Not just us feel good people? We think it's recyclable, so it is well.</v>

02:22:54.840 --> 02:22:56.090
<v victor>That's a good start, but.</v>

02:22:57.010 --> 02:22:59.020
<v victor>Show me hear from industry a little bit too.</v>

02:23:02.120 --> 02:23:02.950
<v victor>On that group.</v>

02:23:10.500 --> 02:23:17.140
<v victor>That's a good place to start for you. Readily recyclable would be take. EcoMaine's list and Casellas single stream list.</v>

02:23:18.380 --> 02:23:19.280
<v victor>See, I'll post that.</v>

02:23:21.040 --> 02:23:22.530
<v victor>That jives, so to speak.</v>

02:23:23.880 --> 02:23:26.870
<v victor>And then if you want to add some other items.</v>

02:23:28.240 --> 02:23:30.220
<v victor>So from there, that's it.</v>

02:23:32.610 --> 02:23:33.190
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

02:23:38.980 --> 02:23:48.970
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yes, well, years ago now, but but it was modeled on that. I think you mentioned the Massachusetts process. We did that, that expression was I thought was really helpful.</v>

02:23:52.180 --> 02:24:05.210
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, I thought this would that that's where this would come about is the annual meeting of reviewing the readily acceptable. But it sounds like you want something outside of that. No, I'm not. I'm just. I'm just.</v>

02:24:06.210 --> 02:24:12.030
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I just throwing out things and hoping somebody will say something. Yeah. I mean, if you're, if you're doing an annual meeting.</v>

02:24:12.830 --> 02:24:21.330
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Of reviewing the readily acceptable, then that's when you would ask for accepting comments on add or delete right beforehand.</v>

02:24:22.140 --> 02:24:27.530
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Plan for the meeting. Yeah. He goes to vote. I wonder. We need to have kind of.</v>

02:24:28.650 --> 02:24:44.090
<v Nadeau, Jessica>A minimum requirement for stakeholders. So you know what I mean? Like, if, like you said, Elena, they're crickets or we just can't get the municipalities for some reason because the, you know, the meeting didn't happen on the day that.</v>

02:24:45.190 --> 02:24:46.020
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Everybody and.</v>

02:24:47.270 --> 02:24:51.450
<v Nadeau, Jessica>For some reason we just are missing a stakeholder group and its entirety then.</v>

02:24:52.110 --> 02:24:57.320
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know, and make this out on the opportunity to weigh in, then that can be really that can be problematic.</v>

02:25:08.820 --> 02:25:15.420
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So so if you are having a, you know, meeting with representatives and you get a few figure out how you choose so that's.</v>

02:25:18.850 --> 02:25:24.020
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Scary thing. Worst case scenario, some really pesky packaging material.</v>

02:25:25.010 --> 02:25:25.440
<v Nadeau, Jessica>No.</v>

02:25:26.560 --> 02:25:28.620
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know, it's like, who has the final say and.</v>

02:25:29.700 --> 02:25:38.790
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And also if like you know, the Stewartship organization is paying for studies and all this stuff like, is that fair to have all the producers that pay into that deal with this one really pesky?</v>

02:25:39.630 --> 02:25:54.680
<v Nadeau, Jessica>One that's competing on one of the costs, I don't. I also wonder about the, I mean, it could be in the stewardship organization is something that's gonna be, yeah, you know, to a certain extent defined by how much money you throw at it. Right. But but they are.</v>

02:25:55.400 --> 02:26:04.810
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Already looking at a pretty hefty set of of responsibility responsibilities. Yeah. So to put on major costs to do like this.</v>

02:26:05.360 --> 02:26:05.750
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Settings.</v>

02:26:10.470 --> 02:26:13.070
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Some sort of compiled report would be really helpful.</v>

02:26:15.510 --> 02:26:24.140
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Here's all the material we accepted last time, and how you know they're they're recycling rate of all that material.</v>

02:26:26.520 --> 02:26:36.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That sort of thing for me, that's really informative. And here's the other materials that you know, other meets specific municipalities have been able to market or recycle and.</v>

02:26:37.650 --> 02:26:39.220
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Well, that's the most like and.</v>

02:26:40.320 --> 02:26:52.260
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But there's a there is going to be an SO annual report, right? So that could. So that could be that guy. Yeah, that could could help. You know, that could be some of the requirements for that report instead of.</v>

02:26:53.530 --> 02:26:57.120
<v Nadeau, Jessica>This state of what, what, what data have you collected?</v>

02:26:57.930 --> 02:27:11.620
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It is relevant here and then if people wanna bring in other data, they can. You could have a deadline for doing so and they provide that data and then maybe that SO assembles it you know add you back there report and provides it.</v>

02:27:13.220 --> 02:27:15.500
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Provides the comment and then we have a meeting.</v>

02:27:17.760 --> 02:27:19.250
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know, that's the key.</v>

02:27:20.840 --> 02:27:21.280
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Meeting.</v>

02:27:24.460 --> 02:27:27.150
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Someone who makes and some of making a decision.</v>

02:27:31.740 --> 02:27:33.910
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah. Bill is there needs to be some sort of.</v>

02:27:35.050 --> 02:27:36.000
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Go back to reality.</v>

02:27:37.500 --> 02:27:38.330
<v Nadeau, Jessica>municipalities.</v>

02:27:41.270 --> 02:27:43.140
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's in the, you know.</v>

02:27:45.450 --> 02:27:45.760
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yes.</v>

02:27:45.840 --> 02:27:48.180
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Really confuse those have, I don't know.</v>

02:27:49.610 --> 02:27:52.810
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I mean, you invite them, all right, isn't then? Well, I mean, I guess that's what.</v>

02:27:53.580 --> 02:27:56.120
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That's the question you just invite everyone, right?</v>

02:28:00.600 --> 02:28:03.950
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You make sure you have representation from each like group.</v>

02:28:04.590 --> 02:28:06.360
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Similar municipalities right?</v>

02:28:11.360 --> 02:28:14.740
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That's challenging to coordinate. They've identified will be running.</v>

02:28:16.510 --> 02:28:21.650
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Because, like, these are these are like powerful positions. I think you can add things to this list.</v>

02:28:24.910 --> 02:28:29.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Speaking button right, whatever criteria number in the rules that they shouldn't be up to too much like.</v>

02:28:29.890 --> 02:28:30.220
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know.</v>

02:28:31.180 --> 02:28:31.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right.</v>

02:28:31.880 --> 02:28:33.020
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, should be is.</v>

02:28:39.220 --> 02:28:40.750
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yes, we cut and dry.</v>

02:28:44.390 --> 02:28:44.650
<v Nadeau, Jessica>No.</v>

02:28:56.810 --> 02:29:01.530
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Well, that's pretty much from the department, but the department for those paying department seems like.</v>

02:29:02.450 --> 02:29:02.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Umm.</v>

02:29:03.850 --> 02:29:07.900
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Meaning the DEP. Yeah, I like that they can break the tie.</v>

02:29:19.900 --> 02:29:22.910
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So I guess the beginning and end of this process should.</v>

02:29:23.850 --> 02:29:25.560
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Coordinate with the.</v>

02:29:26.900 --> 02:29:31.000
<v Nadeau, Jessica>To SO's annual report and I don't think that kinds.</v>

02:29:31.890 --> 02:29:32.940
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You have to be after.</v>

02:29:35.210 --> 02:29:38.590
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yes. So timing is yeah, timing is like there is another question.</v>

02:29:40.460 --> 02:29:42.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Indeed, as their product stewardship report. But.</v>

02:29:44.980 --> 02:29:45.590
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah.</v>

02:29:45.670 --> 02:29:47.980
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Like you say you everything and then the trigger.</v>

02:29:48.760 --> 02:29:49.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Any addition?</v>

02:29:52.740 --> 02:29:55.570
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That's when we know we have our act together. We have it for you.</v>

02:29:59.590 --> 02:30:00.620
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Usually usually.</v>

02:30:03.060 --> 02:30:03.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Until then.</v>

02:30:08.430 --> 02:30:08.850
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Online.</v>

02:30:10.330 --> 02:30:12.480
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah. On the 33, OK.</v>

02:30:14.930 --> 02:30:15.200
<v Nadeau, Jessica>No.</v>

02:30:17.290 --> 02:30:18.590
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That look at all.</v>

02:30:25.730 --> 02:30:29.490
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You want to make sure representation to be that we can.</v>

02:30:31.040 --> 02:30:34.810
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's all municipalities from all the contractors and the brokers.</v>

02:30:36.330 --> 02:30:39.540
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That's the that's the minimum. I guess I would guess. And then?</v>

02:30:40.260 --> 02:30:42.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You'd hope the ministry group the groups show up.</v>

02:30:45.760 --> 02:30:46.080
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah.</v>

02:30:51.200 --> 02:30:56.610
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So I guess they would if they had something that we wanna change. Yes. OK.</v>

02:30:57.410 --> 02:31:00.710
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That's that's got Scott Burns. Gotta.</v>

02:31:10.580 --> 02:31:13.290
<v Scott Byrne>I had to break the silence from the crickets. Ohm.</v>

02:31:14.240 --> 02:31:14.680
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Good.</v>

02:31:14.530 --> 02:31:24.360
<v Scott Byrne>It sounds like there's a good spirited conversation in terms of building the process in the room. Just to note, I I cannot follow kind of where we're settling on this. So it might be, you know, when you kind of.</v>

02:31:25.060 --> 02:31:30.720
<v Scott Byrne>Sketch the process out. That would be a good one where people could provide maybe some written comments to kind of think through.</v>

02:31:31.280 --> 02:31:31.630
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Umm.</v>

02:31:31.430 --> 02:31:37.480
<v Scott Byrne>What? Uh, what the results would be just cause it's it is a little difficult on the phone. I would say in terms of stakeholders.</v>

02:31:38.930 --> 02:31:56.070
<v Scott Byrne>You could imagine a broader world than I think maybe the the three kind of groups you identified. I mean, you know the the end markets themselves, not just the brokers, could be an important stakeholder, raw material manufacturers potentially would have interest if they're using the recycled content. So you know users of.</v>

02:31:56.770 --> 02:32:11.540
<v Scott Byrne>The end product and then converters. You know Sunoco include it, we're we're in a couple different areas. The recycling value chain, but one is making the package even if we're not the brand owner ultimately using the package, sometimes those converters have.</v>

02:32:13.310 --> 02:32:23.680
<v Scott Byrne>You know the different abilities to kind of know what what their packages or packaging options are on the converting side. So that would be my only thought as ensure that.</v>

02:32:24.420 --> 02:32:28.680
<v Scott Byrne>The stakeholders cast a wide net cause you'll get the best outcome I believe. Thanks.</v>

02:32:29.890 --> 02:32:30.190
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

02:32:31.230 --> 02:32:31.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Like that.</v>

02:32:35.940 --> 02:32:38.840
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Do you have any thoughts on the best way cast that net?</v>

02:32:40.580 --> 02:32:43.050
<v Scott Byrne>Sorry, I couldn't. I couldn't follow that.</v>

02:32:43.860 --> 02:32:45.700
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Benefits for casting the net?</v>

02:32:46.520 --> 02:32:59.520
<v Scott Byrne>You know, I I get the sense you're not gonna get crickets it. It's a it's a consequential question. And if you do get crickets from brand owners and converters in the industry.</v>

02:33:00.530 --> 02:33:07.130
<v Scott Byrne>That speaks a lot to whether it should be considered recyclable if no one's standing up and saying this is something that be considered recyclable.</v>

02:33:08.760 --> 02:33:15.580
<v Scott Byrne>I think that's evidence in itself. You know, I think I think most of the industry groups that are working on this and putting the resources forward will show.</v>

02:33:17.770 --> 02:33:26.140
<v Scott Byrne>And I think people maybe have gotten us a bit of a slow start kind of understanding the process of EPR implementation. But now with with kind of Oregon.</v>

02:33:26.780 --> 02:33:33.150
<v Scott Byrne>I don't know if wrapping up the right word but completing their process. Maine and Colorado kind of jumping into it. I think people are.</v>

02:33:33.910 --> 02:33:36.590
<v Scott Byrne>Are aware that they need to be there if they have something to say.</v>

02:33:49.820 --> 02:33:50.630
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK. Thanks Scott.</v>

02:34:02.890 --> 02:34:12.470
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Ohh, please go quick. Yeah, initial list is the initial list. A more thorough is that gonna require to people that have required potentially a more thorough.</v>

02:34:13.730 --> 02:34:14.470
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Process.</v>

02:34:16.940 --> 02:34:17.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Or just.</v>

02:34:20.240 --> 02:34:30.600
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The initial list. Yeah. So the first time, I mean, like you said, once you get going, you've got your current list to a certain extent, you can just sort of say that we wanna change from here before you can have any lists.</v>

02:34:31.270 --> 02:34:35.420
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Is that a bigger process or is that just the same process and it's just maybe going take a little longer?</v>

02:34:38.400 --> 02:34:42.190
<v Nadeau, Jessica>They even say that right, is that a different process or is that just maybe just slightly?</v>

02:34:43.060 --> 02:34:45.400
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We're involved version of the same process.</v>

02:34:46.750 --> 02:34:54.790
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We discussed out something different like start something to react to make the list. Yeah. Yeah. Let's start with the basic. Yeah. And let everybody.</v>

02:34:56.080 --> 02:34:57.880
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Grouse and whatever, yeah.</v>

02:35:02.890 --> 02:35:05.480
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Getting better or better? No, Tony's got.</v>

02:35:13.250 --> 02:35:21.000
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>About a list somebody a while ago mentioned taking Casella's list Ecomaine's list and the other list.</v>

02:35:22.230 --> 02:35:24.760
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Uh, blend them, go down through the list.</v>

02:35:26.180 --> 02:35:29.770
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>We don't keep in add to the bottom.</v>

02:35:39.070 --> 02:35:41.090
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, yeah.</v>

02:35:42.750 --> 02:35:43.790
<v Nadeau, Jessica>No, Dave.</v>

02:35:51.850 --> 02:35:58.190
<v Westerhof, Dave>Hi I I guess I'll have to admit I don't know exactly what's written into your law in the state of Maine, but.</v>

02:36:00.030 --> 02:36:00.920
<v Westerhof, Dave>Is there?</v>

02:36:01.740 --> 02:36:04.510
<v Westerhof, Dave>Is there something written that the you know the?</v>

02:36:05.420 --> 02:36:08.090
<v Westerhof, Dave>The producer group.</v>

02:36:08.980 --> 02:36:10.430
<v Westerhof, Dave>Has to do a study.</v>

02:36:11.640 --> 02:36:13.770
<v Westerhof, Dave>To determine what's being recycled today.</v>

02:36:15.190 --> 02:36:17.260
<v Westerhof, Dave>I guess that would be a question and then?</v>

02:36:19.110 --> 02:36:27.230
<v Westerhof, Dave>When it comes to adding and subtracting things, I would think that as money is the fees are collected and infrastructure is developed.</v>

02:36:28.300 --> 02:36:34.710
<v Westerhof, Dave>I wouldn't add something to a list until there was a certain percent capability within the state.</v>

02:36:36.200 --> 02:36:39.040
<v Westerhof, Dave>You know that would be wishcycling otherwise.</v>

02:36:39.930 --> 02:36:40.380
<v Westerhof, Dave>Right.</v>

02:36:42.030 --> 02:36:43.700
<v Westerhof, Dave>So I don't. I don't know what's written into your.</v>

02:36:44.350 --> 02:36:49.560
<v Westerhof, Dave>Your statutes in terms of what the responsibility organization supposed to be doing.</v>

02:36:50.370 --> 02:36:52.350
<v Westerhof, Dave>To determine that list, I think you.</v>

02:36:53.510 --> 02:36:58.660
<v Westerhof, Dave>You've been kind of beating around the Bush and talking about this all day, is that there's gotta be an initial list.</v>

02:36:59.660 --> 02:37:01.250
<v Westerhof, Dave>And then there's kind of got to be the.</v>

02:37:02.300 --> 02:37:02.730
<v Westerhof, Dave>The.</v>

02:37:04.980 --> 02:37:05.960
<v Westerhof, Dave>on deck list.</v>

02:37:07.330 --> 02:37:09.790
<v Westerhof, Dave>Using baseball terms, what's what's on deck?</v>

02:37:10.660 --> 02:37:18.400
<v Westerhof, Dave>And how's the responsibility organization to get going to get it there? How you gonna invest those fees to get the next one? That's the closest.</v>

02:37:19.790 --> 02:37:23.710
<v Westerhof, Dave>Over the hurdle and so on and so forth on to the next one and the next one.</v>

02:37:24.520 --> 02:37:31.940
<v Westerhof, Dave>So that that seems like a logical process to me, but I don't know what's written in there. You know, if the responsibility organization.</v>

02:37:32.620 --> 02:37:36.040
<v Westerhof, Dave>Doesn't have that responsibility. Then you gotta figure out another way of doing it.</v>

02:37:37.220 --> 02:37:39.550
<v Westerhof, Dave>Unless you write it now so.</v>

02:37:40.770 --> 02:37:41.280
<v Westerhof, Dave>That's.</v>

02:37:43.000 --> 02:37:48.140
<v Westerhof, Dave>Maybe more questions and answers, but that's what you know. That's what I'm hearing in other states too.</v>

02:37:51.080 --> 02:37:57.970
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, there's certainly an ability to prioritize that investment funding for a for an on deck list.</v>

02:37:59.300 --> 02:38:02.640
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Although our needs assessment is not gonna be ready in time.</v>

02:38:05.080 --> 02:38:05.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>to make the initial list.</v>

02:38:10.630 --> 02:38:12.160
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Hey, thanks, Dave. Tony, do you have?</v>

02:38:13.200 --> 02:38:13.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Something.</v>

02:38:13.550 --> 02:38:44.220
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yeah, yeah, I I wasn't. When I was mentioning Ecomaine's and Casella's list. I wasn't strictly limiting us to that. We've learned a lot of things today and prior meetings. What might wanna be on a list. And I think, Jim, you've you've said it starts small and look to the future. Make it easy at the beginning. Get people involved. And that's what I meant. Take Casella Ecomaine and add to the bottom of the list whatever we've learned today.</v>

02:38:44.280 --> 02:38:47.270
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Whatever we've stumbled over in the past or or found.</v>

02:38:48.390 --> 02:38:54.240
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>But it does need. We do need to ease into it, so it's not completely overwhelming.</v>

02:38:55.440 --> 02:38:56.040
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Hi, Jim.</v>

02:38:58.050 --> 02:38:58.500
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Tony.</v>

02:38:59.830 --> 02:39:00.270
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Thank you.</v>

02:39:01.890 --> 02:39:07.100
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, so let's, let's go on to the audits, OK. So the first one then it's fine.</v>

02:39:07.680 --> 02:39:16.930
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Uh, we have municipal contamination. So all the audits are either conducted or contracted out by the SO.</v>

02:39:17.910 --> 02:39:18.380
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Uh.</v>

02:39:19.770 --> 02:39:31.370
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Why would these, generally speaking, why are these municipal contamination audits important? How will data obtain from these sustained or even progressive the success of the program?</v>

02:39:36.540 --> 02:39:46.050
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Had to keep going. Yeah. We want to. We want to share that these audits, they're likely to conclude hugely variable findings, for example.</v>

02:39:47.860 --> 02:39:58.050
<v Nadeau, Jessica>There were four samples from a single town last week during a single week, and there results in contamination rate ranging from 10 to 50%.</v>

02:39:59.070 --> 02:40:07.550
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So she really didn't minicipal specific contamination rates be used to adjust the tonnage sent for processing or sale.</v>

02:40:11.060 --> 02:40:15.010
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's in the yeah. And some others that might.</v>

02:40:16.350 --> 02:40:17.440
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Spark response.</v>

02:40:17.510 --> 02:40:30.290
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Ohh what what is the role of the receiving facility, the processor or the broker compared to the role of the SO and monitoring and disincentivizing contamination from municipalities?</v>

02:40:31.870 --> 02:40:37.020
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Could the former be used in lieu of the latter? Is there an SO role?</v>

02:40:38.020 --> 02:40:49.170
<v Nadeau, Jessica>If there isn't as a role, to what extent should continue contamination rates one municipality be used to inform the contamination rate for another municipality.</v>

02:40:49.840 --> 02:40:53.840
<v Nadeau, Jessica>What criteria should be used to make this determination?</v>

02:40:56.560 --> 02:40:59.390
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That's just municipal contamination audits.</v>

02:40:59.680 --> 02:41:01.660
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Around that got Andy.</v>

02:41:02.700 --> 02:41:03.160
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Hey, John.</v>

02:41:15.150 --> 02:41:15.940
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's right.</v>

02:41:15.650 --> 02:41:33.480
<v Andy Hackman>Hey. Yeah. So in, in terms of the and trying to understand the question cause the audio is still tough to hear for some of us. So for contamination rates, the questions about whether or not the SO can be involved and informing that process help beginning. If you could just repeat that a little bit more.</v>

02:41:36.350 --> 02:41:36.880
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So.</v>

02:41:40.490 --> 02:41:44.960
<v Nadeau, Jessica>There are thought is this this amount of contamination?</v>

02:41:45.660 --> 02:41:59.250
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Coming out of your municipality is important. Whether that single stream that's 50% crap or whether that's a drop off facility that not paying attention to what goes in their bale. And it's also crap.</v>

02:42:01.340 --> 02:42:02.160
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And.</v>

02:42:05.170 --> 02:42:20.280
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So we and and also we're gonna be potentially reimbursing entities based on the amount of material that they're sending off for recycling. And so you don't want to provide incentives for 50% crap.</v>

02:42:21.940 --> 02:42:25.390
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And we're also aware of the fact that.</v>

02:42:26.070 --> 02:42:28.730
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Umm these contamination rates you were.</v>

02:42:29.400 --> 02:42:56.020
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Recently been very aware of the fact that you contamination rates are all over the place potentially and and so we're we're trying to understand you know, what's the SO role in trying to determine this contamination rate and trying to deter this contamination versus what's the role of the processor broker in determining these determinant contamination rates and deterring this contamination.</v>

02:42:57.280 --> 02:43:06.730
<v Andy Hackman>So I mean, we would obviously encourage the SO having a strong role in discouraging contamination.</v>

02:43:07.490 --> 02:43:39.400
<v Andy Hackman>I I think the only way you probably get to active discouraging, you know, factors to discourage contamination as whether or not the the SO can withhold funding for reimbursement. And I'm not sure how else you you get to that because there's obviously the law is not set up to allow for contractual obligation between the SO and the municipalities where you could put in certain performance factors and that's the only other thing in in other states there's there's potentially a blend between the reimbursement rate but also.</v>

02:43:39.990 --> 02:43:49.360
<v Andy Hackman>You know, actual contractual or memorandums of understanding where you've gotta perform at a certain level or a certain rate.</v>

02:43:49.820 --> 02:44:05.280
<v Andy Hackman>Umm, we've have thought about is there a way for either the department the SO or others in the system to create sort of a best practices guide that you've got to demonstrate.</v>

02:44:06.490 --> 02:44:24.270
<v Andy Hackman>You know your compliance or or efforts to achieve the best practices, no, I understand we've got a wide variety of capability across the state and municipalities and some of this may end up you know going down to their service provider for for recycling. But.</v>

02:44:24.830 --> 02:44:28.260
<v Andy Hackman>Umm, you know, given the the lack of.</v>

02:44:29.260 --> 02:44:53.310
<v Andy Hackman>Significant ability for the SO to interact with the system in some. Regardless, we think it is really important to the extent that we can then if it's not the SO sort of administering the best practices contamination and for other performance factors quite frankly out of the system, you know there needs to be some way to ensure quality. I think to the point of this question and ultimately.</v>

02:44:54.370 --> 02:44:59.120
<v Andy Hackman>We think that's that should have the ability to to withhold payment for reimbursement if.</v>

02:44:59.850 --> 02:45:05.300
<v Andy Hackman>You know, if 75% would of what's coming out of a particular community is is nothing but contamination.</v>

02:45:09.170 --> 02:45:11.810
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So what is the SO word to determine that?</v>

02:45:14.240 --> 02:45:23.500
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Elenaville is producing single stream recycling that has 50% contamination, and so then you.</v>

02:45:24.550 --> 02:45:39.120
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So you know, instead of taking the tons, so instead of giving me recycling pounds or, you know based on 100 tons sent to the MRF, I was given recycling pounds based on 50 tons a recycling center, the rent.</v>

02:45:39.760 --> 02:45:42.750
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So you're withholding for that. You're basically not.</v>

02:45:44.740 --> 02:45:49.140
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You're acting like all that contamination wasn't set, so it's not exactly withholding, but it's.</v>

02:45:50.550 --> 02:46:09.220
<v Andy Hackman>Well, it depends what the contamination is though. If the contamination spoils the rest of the load right, like if it's a bunch of glass that have been contaminated the rest. And if the whole load becomes contamination I are you thinking that 50% is actually salvageable material that that is then sent to market?</v>

02:46:09.910 --> 02:46:23.240
<v Andy Hackman>Or is it you know, as you look at the bale or you look at the stream, you know 50% is contamination, but it's impacted 100% of the bale. I mean that's part of the issue potentially, but if it is.</v>

02:46:24.270 --> 02:46:35.100
<v Andy Hackman>If it is the the the former, I guess that 50% of your bail is marketable and 50% is not. I think we would be OK with paying for 50% of the bale, but not the other 50%.</v>

02:46:36.840 --> 02:47:08.230
<v Nadeau, Jessica>There's no 50% of their yeah, middle is good to taste, but there's no right. He's got he's he. Let's get the terminology right, if you don't mind, it's 50% of the stream, right? Right. The finished product is no one that's gonna take 50% contamination. No way from a finished product. Right. And it just it obviously from a MRF standpoint, we would want some say with regards to what's coming into facility for the fact that more contamination more makes it more difficult than not only process.</v>

02:47:08.610 --> 02:47:36.080
<v Nadeau, Jessica>What impacts the quality of the material that we're producing and by the way that quality coming in 50%, even 15%, we are the specs are 2% and under our finished product in some cases 1% and under. So we want to be this is a very important topic with regards to contamination and how you definitely want to reward folks and have less than contamination. However that is just as we do today.</v>

02:47:37.930 --> 02:47:45.520
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And you're MRFs would know which towns are providing the contamination to have a smooth they pretty much.</v>

02:47:47.090 --> 02:47:49.200
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Uh, whoever does the curbside pickup?</v>

02:47:50.030 --> 02:47:57.920
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We have a good idea right from visual standpoint, but it goes back to the audits being done at the transfer station of the point of delivery.</v>

02:47:58.570 --> 02:48:12.060
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Because what comes into the MRF and Lewiston is a combination of multi municipalities, yeah. So you would have to backtrack if you're gonna do physical audits, you again, we need to backtrack back to the generator. Yeah, so.</v>

02:48:12.140 --> 02:48:40.320
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And and I agree that no one contamination and we wanted to discourage contamination. But I think one of the key reasons why we have it now is because of labeling on product that's not accurate and how to recycle label that's the responsibility of the producers to do so. They're putting out confusing information into the public about their materials and that's the contamination. I don't think it's fair for municipalities to bear the cost like that when it's out of their control.</v>

02:48:51.810 --> 02:48:52.230
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Umm.</v>

02:48:58.710 --> 02:49:00.000
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, and he's got.</v>

02:49:08.270 --> 02:49:08.600
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I.</v>

02:48:57.640 --> 02:49:09.980
<v Andy Hackman>Can I jump in real quick? Then the last point about that's all. Yeah, it's all with producers fault for contamination. I mean, there are a number of factors that contribute to contamination. I'm not gonna say labeling, you know, doesn't.</v>

02:49:10.740 --> 02:49:11.770
<v Andy Hackman>What, sorry.</v>

02:49:13.180 --> 02:49:16.530
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Thing was 100% the producers fault was not at that point, but.</v>

02:49:17.370 --> 02:49:18.400
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's all Andy Hackman.</v>

02:49:20.310 --> 02:49:21.180
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know the lock.</v>

02:49:20.000 --> 02:49:29.030
<v Andy Hackman>No, I'm just. It's from what I can hear that comment again, the audio is tough that that it was labeling and how to recycle is is the reason why we're getting contamination.</v>

02:49:30.180 --> 02:49:31.180
<v Andy Hackman>Is that the point or not?</v>

02:49:31.300 --> 02:49:34.230
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I said that that was a key reason, not the only reason.</v>

02:49:35.320 --> 02:49:36.740
<v Andy Hackman>OK. Gotcha.</v>

02:49:39.070 --> 02:49:42.890
<v Andy Hackman>There until we like document what the factor what.</v>

02:49:43.640 --> 02:49:43.910
<v Andy Hackman>But.</v>

02:49:48.770 --> 02:49:49.260
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I don't know.</v>

02:49:45.610 --> 02:49:50.940
<v Andy Hackman>I'm trying to understand what the laughing about here guys. I don't know. I feel like I'm missing out on a big joke.</v>

02:49:51.370 --> 02:49:55.780
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You're not. You're not. We we're seeing you smile. So we're making us laugh.</v>

02:49:56.190 --> 02:49:59.270
<v Andy Hackman>OK, alright. Well, I guess I'm, yeah. So there we go.</v>

02:49:59.690 --> 02:50:26.340
<v Andy Hackman>Umm, you know, if you actually look at the the how to recycle label and they've done documentation on the amount of contamination and actually occurs due to their labeling and it's less than 1%. So there's been studies on that with regard to whether or not it results in an actual contamination, we can argue about the factors and then you know that we need to find solutions and what's on the right away recyclable list will be an important tool.</v>

02:50:27.230 --> 02:50:54.540
<v Andy Hackman>It it you know it's unique to Maine, the rightly recyclable list will be what's unique to main and the SO will will be conducting education as a result of it. So in terms of of getting any you know response from the system and addressing contamination or poorly performing systems, you know the reimbursement rate and and actually reimbursing for what's not contamination is an important the only real.</v>

02:50:55.280 --> 02:50:59.210
<v Andy Hackman>Stick in the system or carrot and the system to to getting.</v>

02:50:59.930 --> 02:51:05.260
<v Andy Hackman>They're there to be change in Maine recycling system. If we don't use that as a mechanism.</v>

02:51:06.000 --> 02:51:12.070
<v Andy Hackman>You know, we're just going to continue to fund the same level of recycling in perpetuity, and the system will never change.</v>

02:51:14.660 --> 02:51:15.850
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Another thought on that too.</v>

02:51:16.930 --> 02:51:47.020
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's municipalities are investing out of their own budgets in education. Is that something that's reimbursable or is that money essentially coming from like the education and infrastructure fund like it's if they pay for staff, for example, to work on, I know ecomaine done tagging. I know Casella has also been a part of like tagging programs to go curbside and inspect for contamination as part of their educational strategies.</v>

02:51:47.410 --> 02:51:55.170
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Is that something that would be reimbursable if it's costing the the town is paying for that money out of pocket or is that something that?</v>

02:51:56.430 --> 02:52:09.620
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, I guess I'm just, if we can clarify where that money, like who's paying for that? And because we want to incentivize means the quality is kind of taking, taking responsibility and helping reduce contamination, but.</v>

02:52:11.870 --> 02:52:27.300
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, reimbursable in this, that in the in the sense that it's part of that cost, it goes towards th median. And yes, correct. OK. Yeah. And then and then there's obviously funding available through the other, right, I would say, oh, in additional.</v>

02:52:28.070 --> 02:52:35.500
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Education. Yeah. But like, if one municipality goes way above and beyond and has a lot of education in their costs.</v>

02:52:36.370 --> 02:52:47.960
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Are just going to be higher than the media and they're not getting reimbursed. You know, it's not like any right. That's right up reimbursement. It's because they're it's just gonna to the extent with influence. The median it would be.</v>

02:52:56.900 --> 02:52:57.270
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Oops.</v>

02:53:12.730 --> 02:53:14.450
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Hey, there's a bit of a lag time.</v>

02:53:16.450 --> 02:53:36.310
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>About the reimbursement for municipal training costs, does that training has have to be reviewed and approved by the department, for example, or the SO? And how is it documented that what was presented is actually what what was presented for review and approval for reimbursement?</v>

02:53:37.350 --> 02:53:41.120
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>How's that documented that the agenda, for example, was followed?</v>

02:53:47.450 --> 02:53:49.110
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I'm sorry. These are the yes.</v>

02:53:49.000 --> 02:53:53.960
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yes. Yeah. OK. Town A wants to do their own training.</v>

02:53:54.880 --> 02:54:09.860
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Uh, the municipality and they say here's what they intend to present to their town's. People. Does that have to be reviewed and approved by somebody?</v>

02:54:12.030 --> 02:54:14.280
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>And OK then.</v>

02:54:17.030 --> 02:54:21.760
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>There's training and then there's training. OK, I've attended a lot of both.</v>

02:54:22.880 --> 02:54:30.870
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>And how is it documented that it was applicable and effective, not necessarily effective. That's hard to measure. How is it documented that what was?</v>

02:54:32.250 --> 02:54:36.560
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>What we were told, what you were told was going to be presented was actually presented.</v>

02:54:37.310 --> 02:54:38.100
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>As training.</v>

02:54:40.230 --> 02:54:45.500
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>I'm going to say I'm going to do some training this evening and then tomorrow I send you an invoice for 100 bucks.</v>

02:54:55.490 --> 02:54:58.170
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>No, no, no. What I that's not what I'm saying.</v>

02:54:47.510 --> 02:54:58.560
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So so you would include that invoice for 100 bucks in your in you annual costs and that would require with the median cost.</v>

02:54:59.240 --> 02:55:04.990
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>How are you going to document that it is applicable training and that it was actually done?</v>

02:55:09.250 --> 02:55:14.800
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Take the unnecessarily are? I mean, I think that they're they're. They're probably wants to be some.</v>

02:55:16.700 --> 02:55:17.150
<v Nadeau, Jessica>As.</v>

02:55:16.530 --> 02:55:18.560
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>I don't prefer the honor system.</v>

02:55:19.920 --> 02:55:22.060
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Not the honor system. That doesn't work.</v>

02:55:25.900 --> 02:55:26.690
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So I guess.</v>

02:55:33.730 --> 02:55:34.980
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The the the.</v>

02:55:36.140 --> 02:55:37.150
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah.</v>

02:55:38.580 --> 02:55:40.260
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Your municipal cost.</v>

02:55:42.850 --> 02:55:50.470
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Are you are you talking about saying municipality that a grant to do an education program and didn't do it or a municipality?</v>

02:55:51.490 --> 02:55:57.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Just was doing its education to its citizens and said that it did X.</v>

02:55:59.420 --> 02:56:01.150
<v Nadeau, Jessica>As part of its normal operation.</v>

02:56:01.030 --> 02:56:05.530
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yeah. My first question is, does the training they intend to do on their own.</v>

02:56:06.360 --> 02:56:17.680
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Remember, reimbursable or not, have to be reviewed by someone involved with this program to be sure it's accurate for one thing.</v>

02:56:19.730 --> 02:56:20.200
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So.</v>

02:56:21.930 --> 02:56:25.040
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Be sure that the stuff that they're saying is recyclable is recyclable.</v>

02:56:26.100 --> 02:56:27.860
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Now you're you're missing it completely.</v>

02:56:28.560 --> 02:56:29.290
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That they're training.</v>

02:56:28.860 --> 02:56:29.610
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>The.</v>

02:56:32.710 --> 02:56:33.880
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That they're actually doing them.</v>

02:56:34.560 --> 02:56:39.730
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>And that's the second question. The documentation that was actually done and what was done.</v>

02:56:41.090 --> 02:56:42.740
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>As simple as providing.</v>

02:56:43.420 --> 02:56:53.490
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>They're not. If, if I would think if I was gonna do training as a municipality, I would say here, here's what I'm intending to do. Do you think it will pass muster for reimbursement?</v>

02:56:54.730 --> 02:57:01.250
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>And you will say we'll send me short e-mail show, send me an agenda as to what you're going to do.</v>

02:57:01.990 --> 02:57:09.610
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>And you go oh, yeah, that, that that would be reimbursable. What are the criteria for reimbursement and then?</v>

02:57:10.390 --> 02:57:18.220
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>We're going to do the training on the 12th and on the 15th they apply for the reimbursement. What type of documentation do they need?</v>

02:57:18.900 --> 02:57:21.950
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>To provide you to get the reimbursement.</v>

02:57:23.170 --> 02:57:33.210
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I guess that's not exactly how the reimbursement works. The reimbursement would be an annual, the town submitting and saying our costs work for labor for.</v>

02:57:38.820 --> 02:57:39.190
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yeah.</v>

02:57:40.570 --> 02:57:40.840
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yeah.</v>

02:57:34.120 --> 02:57:41.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>For equipment, for structures, for electricity, to run, for diesel to run the tracks, these were our costs.</v>

02:57:42.680 --> 02:57:42.980
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>And.</v>

02:57:53.370 --> 02:57:53.790
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>But.</v>

02:57:42.680 --> 02:57:55.390
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And then that goes into and then that time does not paid at those full costs. That time is paid at a median rate. So any advantage for?</v>

02:57:55.020 --> 02:57:59.650
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>You didn't say training in that list of items you rolled out, did you just now?</v>

02:58:02.380 --> 02:58:03.280
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Let's put it in the list.</v>

02:58:04.240 --> 02:58:06.570
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Oh, OK. You did OK. I missed it cause again.</v>

02:58:09.060 --> 02:58:09.340
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yeah.</v>

02:58:13.050 --> 02:58:15.060
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Education. Education.</v>

02:58:16.980 --> 02:58:17.890
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yes, I'm sorry.</v>

02:58:06.180 --> 02:58:22.250
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I don't know that I haven't read it. Let's put it in the less the Tony can I just ask a quick when you say training, do you mean like education and outreach to your community? OK, not like not training for your staff, but yeah, OK.</v>

02:58:22.890 --> 02:58:23.380
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

02:58:20.230 --> 02:58:24.750
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>No, no, no education. I'm sorry. Yes, thank you.</v>

02:58:27.090 --> 02:58:29.910
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>And that education effort is reimbursable.</v>

02:58:36.600 --> 02:58:37.400
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yeah, yeah.</v>

02:58:32.060 --> 02:58:40.140
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Is is when you say reimbursable it goes into that median cost. So it's that median cost that the the the town.</v>

02:58:42.400 --> 02:58:42.930
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Mm-hmm.</v>

02:58:41.110 --> 02:58:48.130
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Presents. And then there's not the actual cost that they present, and then they get reimbursed at the median.</v>

02:58:49.720 --> 02:58:50.230
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So that.</v>

02:58:49.540 --> 02:58:58.520
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>I don't, I don't. I really don't care if set the medium 100% hundred and 10%. It's just how is the training actually documented that it was completed.</v>

02:58:59.330 --> 02:59:11.060
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I don't, I don't think necessarily all documented all of these costs from all of these municipalities. I think that the and so probably has auditing capabilities.</v>

02:59:12.940 --> 02:59:16.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Because most municipal documentation is already public documentation.</v>

02:59:18.100 --> 02:59:26.010
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And and so you you would want to have right. I guess your point is you would want to have some auditing capabilities of the SO.</v>

02:59:26.880 --> 02:59:29.900
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I think the median is relevant though, because the median.</v>

02:59:33.490 --> 02:59:33.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Well.</v>

02:59:33.870 --> 02:59:34.360
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's not.</v>

02:59:29.820 --> 02:59:35.360
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>I know, I know. That's what you're using. But I don't wanna pay for something that wasn't done.</v>

02:59:36.080 --> 02:59:47.220
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Well, that's what I mean. It it's not. I think it's relevant to your point, because if I just make up a whole bunch of costs, I'm not gonna. I'm not going to get.</v>

02:59:47.980 --> 02:59:53.800
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Outrageous costs. You know, I'm just gonna get the median that I make up a bunch of posts doesn't really give me any good.</v>

02:59:56.230 --> 03:00:04.150
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But so I think your point is that there should be some auditing capacity at the SO to look at these municipal thoughts and it's properties would happen then?</v>

03:00:11.070 --> 03:00:11.500
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>What?</v>

03:00:22.440 --> 03:00:22.850
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yeah.</v>

03:00:05.120 --> 03:00:35.330
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Potentially, you know, we could tie that into the performance factors that Andy had mentioned. So if you're doing so much education, then you need to be progressing in your proficiency, reduce contamination, and yes, all in this data when they're doing audits of the recycling that's going and if they're doing increased education efforts, that should be correlated with reduced contamination in the recycling that you're putting out there. But I think Andy telling your question is, are you auditing?</v>

03:00:35.420 --> 03:00:38.080
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The the the information the top.</v>

03:00:38.270 --> 03:00:39.000
<v Nadeau, Jessica>They probably took.</v>

03:00:39.740 --> 03:00:40.100
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Get.</v>

03:00:39.520 --> 03:00:40.640
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And what do you mean?</v>

03:00:41.380 --> 03:00:45.300
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>I I understand the audit process trying to account for the cost.</v>

03:00:46.580 --> 03:00:49.290
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>And part of that is the education cost.</v>

03:00:49.940 --> 03:00:50.490
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Umm.</v>

03:00:51.790 --> 03:00:52.490
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Just.</v>

03:00:53.590 --> 03:00:57.960
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Some this is what we planned on to do this year and this is what we did.</v>

03:00:59.330 --> 03:01:08.340
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Just an identification that education was provided to the people, and these are those associated costs and these are what we'd like to be reimbursed.</v>

03:01:12.450 --> 03:01:16.130
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Well, I I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept.</v>

03:01:18.790 --> 03:01:19.060
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I think.</v>

03:01:20.230 --> 03:01:21.220
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Ohh I'd lost you.</v>

03:01:26.170 --> 03:01:26.590
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>No.</v>

03:01:22.770 --> 03:01:27.460
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So are you suggesting that full invoicing be provided by all municipalilities?</v>

03:01:28.070 --> 03:01:28.560
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>No.</v>

03:01:28.300 --> 03:01:29.420
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We're just for education.</v>

03:01:31.730 --> 03:01:33.130
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>No, it's.</v>

03:01:35.750 --> 03:01:44.640
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And maybe not understanding. So I mean, let me sit so. So if a municipality decides it wants to do a education.</v>

03:01:48.880 --> 03:01:49.190
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yeah.</v>

03:01:45.510 --> 03:01:54.210
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Advance that. Put yeah. Put out 1000 Flyers and have one night during one, say 1 summer night of.</v>

03:01:54.890 --> 03:02:11.280
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Of of anybody who wants to come and see how our recycling works, we'll do that and it's 100 and and the cost of the Flyers and the education night was 200 bucks. That would then just go with the towns.</v>

03:02:17.670 --> 03:02:18.020
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Right.</v>

03:02:23.770 --> 03:02:24.020
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>It.</v>

03:02:24.760 --> 03:02:25.210
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yes.</v>

03:02:12.410 --> 03:02:38.930
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Costs of all the other items that it submits to the SO and then that would be just like an any other. So the the SO would have the ability to check a town's costs and that would look to see so and if and they're not gonna, I mean I don't see the SO like auditing every town's cost, but I you know they but it would audit some and if it would say OK well did you do this?</v>

03:02:39.770 --> 03:02:42.150
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And that would just be part of the audit of all its other costs.</v>

03:02:42.450 --> 03:02:48.750
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yes. And the fact that they provided what you just said they provided is documentation to me that they did it.</v>

03:02:51.320 --> 03:02:53.010
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>I agree with what you said.</v>

03:02:53.420 --> 03:02:53.910
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah.</v>

03:02:57.700 --> 03:03:02.120
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So I mean, I guess it would just be, you know, part of what the town would.</v>

03:03:02.900 --> 03:03:11.310
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know, in terms of their providing for cost, they would in that instance it would be if it was like you know that would be part of the towns.</v>

03:03:12.740 --> 03:03:13.040
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Really.</v>

03:03:13.110 --> 03:03:13.570
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Personal.</v>

03:03:12.280 --> 03:03:15.820
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Workers time for doing the yeah, doing that and it would be.</v>

03:03:16.840 --> 03:03:18.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But then they, you know, again it goes back to what?</v>

03:03:19.620 --> 03:03:23.930
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Elena was saying, is that that then goes into the total calculation.</v>

03:03:24.860 --> 03:03:25.270
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yes.</v>

03:03:25.320 --> 03:03:31.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Of of you know, so it won't be a full reimbursement, it'll just be reimbursement at the median cost.</v>

03:03:32.010 --> 03:03:32.380
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yes.</v>

03:03:33.020 --> 03:03:33.390
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah.</v>

03:03:35.470 --> 03:03:35.780
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right.</v>

03:03:38.870 --> 03:03:39.980
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I think we're on the same.</v>

03:03:40.720 --> 03:03:41.340
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Page then.</v>

03:03:42.030 --> 03:03:48.180
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yeah. I I I just don't understand why we don't ask. We're gonna be giving them municipality money.</v>

03:03:49.460 --> 03:03:54.080
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Just some form of documentation that the work was done.</v>

03:03:56.030 --> 03:03:57.070
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>That's what I'm used to.</v>

03:04:01.220 --> 03:04:16.260
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>And like like you said, uh, we're gonna do 1000 Flyers and maybe we had a town wide BBQ or something. And then we educated the people on garbage. The cost of the BBQ was 250 bucks.</v>

03:04:17.340 --> 03:04:18.990
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Had town wide BBQ.</v>

03:04:21.380 --> 03:04:29.270
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>To to educate the people, here's what we did. And here's our cost, and that cost gets rolled into the total of what you said paid for at the median.</v>

03:04:31.530 --> 03:04:37.510
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Or or. Are they the town just going to say we did some education, it cost us $500.</v>

03:04:41.630 --> 03:04:43.740
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Roll it into your budget for the year.</v>

03:04:46.260 --> 03:04:46.770
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And.</v>

03:04:45.830 --> 03:04:47.460
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yeah, as an item.</v>

03:04:48.940 --> 03:05:00.940
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, yeah. You don't get paid for the item. You get paid according to your budget. You're you're spreading that training over all your commodities that you recycling. So it's raising all.</v>

03:05:01.600 --> 03:05:05.430
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Your cost of collecting those items incrementally.</v>

03:05:06.220 --> 03:05:07.050
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And then.</v>

03:05:09.860 --> 03:05:10.540
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Umm.</v>

03:05:07.780 --> 03:05:11.150
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We calculate the median of all the like.</v>

03:05:11.870 --> 03:05:15.170
<v Nadeau, Jessica>In this, the qualities and you get reimbursed thusly.</v>

03:05:15.800 --> 03:05:23.520
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yeah, I'm not. I'm I understand. But if you're going to be reimbursed for doing education, for educating your people.</v>

03:05:24.290 --> 03:05:26.540
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>No. What are my messaging?</v>

03:05:25.370 --> 03:05:30.190
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You're gonna get. You're gonna get reimbursed for collecting a commodity.</v>

03:05:31.010 --> 03:05:35.160
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And whatever it costs you to collect that commodity in good fashion.</v>

03:05:35.800 --> 03:05:36.250
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yeah.</v>

03:05:36.050 --> 03:05:39.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Is put into the calculation to figure out what the median is.</v>

03:05:40.170 --> 03:05:41.790
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yeah, I understand that.</v>

03:05:42.290 --> 03:05:42.760
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

03:05:45.310 --> 03:05:46.470
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>And then.</v>

03:05:47.330 --> 03:05:49.200
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right, right if.</v>

03:05:48.360 --> 03:05:57.480
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>We're going back. We're going back with the original question from somebody was if the town wants to do their own education, will there be reimbursed for that?</v>

03:05:58.790 --> 03:06:00.610
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>And the answer was yes.</v>

03:06:03.510 --> 03:06:19.180
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Well, most most town's education right now is a guy standing next to the single screen drop off containers and that goes in. That doesn't go in, yeah, or a guy standing next to the source separated drop off playing. This goes in and says and go back to our BBQ.</v>

03:06:20.340 --> 03:06:26.090
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Mostly in a in a late it's mostly just included. Currently the way towns are currently.</v>

03:06:26.190 --> 03:06:26.460
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Like.</v>

03:06:25.390 --> 03:06:27.510
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>The labor cost the stand there, yeah.</v>

03:06:27.870 --> 03:06:29.150
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, it's also just.</v>

03:06:28.580 --> 03:06:32.490
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>But what if they do want to do something more formal than that?</v>

03:06:34.700 --> 03:06:37.620
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>That's what I'm getting. You know, more formal education.</v>

03:06:40.630 --> 03:06:42.220
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>So so instead of.</v>

03:06:43.970 --> 03:06:51.500
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Educating one person at a time, you can get 50 and so you offer something to get them a BBQ or something.</v>

03:06:52.140 --> 03:06:58.110
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Ecomaine's. Yeah. Yeah. And you do that every year.</v>

03:06:59.390 --> 03:06:59.860
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Or they.</v>

03:06:57.420 --> 03:07:04.180
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>OK, I I excuse me. Like I we we bleeped out there. I didn't hear what Elena said. I couldn't hear it.</v>

03:07:04.770 --> 03:07:07.370
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So sounds like EcoMaine doesn't annual education.</v>

03:07:08.020 --> 03:07:08.420
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Invite.</v>

03:07:09.520 --> 03:07:10.370
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Ability and they.</v>

03:07:11.450 --> 03:07:13.640
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Oh yeah, OK, yeah.</v>

03:07:15.570 --> 03:07:16.600
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>And are those.</v>

03:07:19.580 --> 03:07:20.150
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>But.</v>

03:07:21.280 --> 03:07:29.750
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So. So Ecomaine does its education day and then part of the cost of doing that Education day are added to its invoice.</v>

03:07:31.260 --> 03:07:34.200
<v Nadeau, Jessica>For dinner to its total cost for.</v>

03:07:35.350 --> 03:07:40.400
<v Nadeau, Jessica>For doing business, which then is submitted to the SO.</v>

03:07:41.170 --> 03:07:46.200
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And the SO uses eco that cost as long with everybody else's costs.</v>

03:07:46.910 --> 03:07:48.360
<v Nadeau, Jessica>To develop a median.</v>

03:07:49.010 --> 03:07:49.700
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Price.</v>

03:07:50.050 --> 03:07:50.840
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Mm-hmm.</v>

03:07:50.770 --> 03:07:51.400
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Per ton.</v>

03:07:52.620 --> 03:07:54.970
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So then the SO.</v>

03:07:55.790 --> 03:07:56.770
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Can audit.</v>

03:07:59.530 --> 03:07:59.850
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>No.</v>

03:07:57.520 --> 03:08:04.010
<v Nadeau, Jessica>People's costs. And so if if Ecomaine if it's, if that education day.</v>

03:08:05.570 --> 03:08:13.230
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Is in the town that gets audited. Then I'm sure they'll say you know, just like they'll say this is what this piece of equipment.</v>

03:08:15.250 --> 03:08:20.680
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Do you guys have this piece of equipment? Do you, do you guys do this education? I mean, yeah, so.</v>

03:08:22.310 --> 03:08:22.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah.</v>

03:08:26.810 --> 03:08:27.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right, well, I think.</v>

03:08:19.930 --> 03:08:27.880
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yeah, that, that's where all I'm looking at is somebody say, yes, we did this training because it showed up in your application for reimbursement. That's all I'm asking.</v>

03:08:30.570 --> 03:08:30.960
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah.</v>

03:08:33.650 --> 03:08:38.590
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Fine, if that's if that. If that's the way it's going to play out, that's fine. That's my answer.</v>

03:08:39.170 --> 03:08:39.590
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah.</v>

03:08:42.330 --> 03:08:47.060
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So the point is that you want to have some. SO auditing, right? Yeah.</v>

03:08:51.590 --> 03:08:52.170
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yes.</v>

03:08:53.750 --> 03:08:54.290
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yes.</v>

03:08:58.920 --> 03:08:59.420
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yes.</v>

03:09:00.580 --> 03:09:01.160
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yes.</v>

03:09:03.990 --> 03:09:04.490
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yes.</v>

03:09:01.950 --> 03:09:10.420
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yes, that that's all I'm saying. That's the way I've worked my entire life. As I've documented, the monies I've spent and that I've asked for.</v>

03:09:12.930 --> 03:09:13.260
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah.</v>

03:09:13.270 --> 03:09:14.760
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Jim, don't you laugh, Jim.</v>

03:09:15.540 --> 03:09:16.030
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>I'll get.</v>

03:09:15.210 --> 03:09:17.510
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Stop that laughing. I'm smiling.</v>

03:09:16.790 --> 03:09:17.600
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>I'll get you.</v>

03:09:20.770 --> 03:09:21.450
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So that makes sense.</v>

03:09:31.530 --> 03:09:31.970
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yeah.</v>

03:09:22.490 --> 03:09:33.870
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I don't see you, Tony, that and now it's not officially. But again it's again it's it's a, it's a municipalities cost. So therefore that would be part of their.</v>

03:09:34.640 --> 03:09:42.180
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Cost submittal and then as as then everything else in there cost submittal. An SO decides to audit that town.</v>

03:09:42.890 --> 03:09:44.910
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And that will be a question. They won't just say.</v>

03:09:45.850 --> 03:09:46.260
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah.</v>

03:09:47.440 --> 03:09:47.770
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right.</v>

03:09:46.620 --> 03:09:47.970
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Yes, what you said.</v>

03:09:49.870 --> 03:09:50.520
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Thank you.</v>

03:09:48.390 --> 03:09:53.380
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yes, they won't just say ohh this was education. So we're just gonna believe it, you know? Yeah.</v>

03:09:54.360 --> 03:09:55.070
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Exactly.</v>

03:09:52.940 --> 03:09:59.630
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Right, exactly. Now that was painful. See, things have been going too good, so I decided to.</v>

03:09:58.820 --> 03:10:02.580
<v Nadeau, Jessica>No reason was painful is because we're not paying for the whole thing.</v>

03:10:03.210 --> 03:10:03.980
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>I know that.</v>

03:10:04.450 --> 03:10:06.040
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah. So.</v>

03:10:05.500 --> 03:10:06.950
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>I know that and that's a good thing.</v>

03:10:07.320 --> 03:10:09.380
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I don't pulling your leg though, OK?</v>

03:10:10.510 --> 03:10:12.160
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Jim, you OK?</v>

03:10:16.300 --> 03:10:16.800
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Thank you.</v>

03:10:16.600 --> 03:10:18.370
<v Nadeau, Jessica>All right. OK. Thanks.</v>

03:10:21.220 --> 03:10:21.900
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Any.</v>

03:10:23.600 --> 03:10:24.710
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Other.</v>

03:10:26.130 --> 03:10:27.300
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Discussion on.</v>

03:10:28.810 --> 03:10:29.770
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Topic at hand.</v>

03:10:33.700 --> 03:10:36.570
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I'm still not super clear on. I don't know if.</v>

03:10:38.080 --> 03:10:53.470
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Anyone think it's done? Something is still here? I'm still not super clear on the extent to which this information on municipal contamination, meaningful, specific contamination is sort of a known thing that we processed with no and doesn't need to be.</v>

03:10:55.070 --> 03:10:56.900
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Repeated by the SO, you know.</v>

03:10:58.100 --> 03:11:17.980
<v Nadeau, Jessica>This is a big, I guess the other day I had an experience that made me realize how big a thing this is understanding and people coming in. So a lot of it's gonna be a lot of resources. It's got a small lot of. This is a big part of a lot of samples that you're gonna get a number that means it.</v>

03:11:18.730 --> 03:11:28.900
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And so, to what extent do we already have that information? Into what extent do we need to add to it? Is what I want to understand that I don't why would they doing an audit that this town that you are at?</v>

03:11:29.730 --> 03:11:43.020
<v Nadeau, Jessica>In a different design program, right? Yes. OK. And I had trouble getting the Internet question, but it had something to do with. There is a in in the contracts and the town contracts.</v>

03:11:44.130 --> 03:11:48.410
<v Nadeau, Jessica>This facility there in this particular contract, there is a.</v>

03:11:49.400 --> 03:11:50.650
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Education.</v>

03:11:54.550 --> 03:12:01.080
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Piece and it's part of the contract is part of what this that's receiving the selling point to provide.</v>

03:12:01.960 --> 03:12:10.930
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And then it also had something to do with, I think an assumed contamination rate, but it contains, it wasn't super, it wasn't super clear and I and I did ask them.</v>

03:12:13.190 --> 03:12:14.880
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I don't know that we still have any partner.</v>

03:12:16.180 --> 03:12:30.630
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Or that it or that that's necessarily question that needs to be asked me and sit on a public forum either. Yeah, it might be followed with that. Yeah. Let's follow up with that. That actually do the current I think that's. Yeah I mean I think. Yeah.</v>

03:12:31.730 --> 03:12:34.330
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I think this issue of contamination and every I mean.</v>

03:12:35.560 --> 03:12:37.090
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Very local level, yeah.</v>

03:12:38.510 --> 03:12:40.390
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Did somebody's between the.</v>

03:12:42.720 --> 03:12:45.540
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Get collected differently depending on the municipality.</v>

03:12:45.900 --> 03:13:00.450
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I'm taking these. Those loads get brought directly to a MRF, right? Right. And and they can, you know, they may have the opportunity depending on labor, they may have the capacity to evaluate that recycling as it's coming into the facility.</v>

03:13:00.620 --> 03:13:30.550
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Umm. Or you know, with advancements in technology, I know that in some places they have cameras that look over in the material as is getting dumped into the back of the truck and they can actually look and identify materials that are contaminants or not, which is amazing. But that's not always the case everywhere. And then there's some that have to go. You know, they they get consolidated and sometimes they get commingled with other municipalities. And that's a point where, you know, Casella.</v>

03:13:30.670 --> 03:13:43.790
<v Nadeau, Jessica>or Ecomaine? May not be aware of what contamination belongs to what municipality, or if there's a regional collection where they go across town lines and collect more material and drop it off at the MRF.</v>

03:13:45.040 --> 03:13:48.440
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So there, yeah, it's blurred lines and it really depends on.</v>

03:13:49.470 --> 03:13:57.320
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, all the materials being collected, some municipalities may have a really good sense of what contamination looks like in their recycling and some may have no idea.</v>

03:13:59.400 --> 03:14:24.630
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That would fall on the SO yeah. And and it could vary. I mean they could it's possible that you know America might know some of this and can fill in the gaps or could hire a staff person if if that's something that could be a covered cost to help facilitate that data collection at the MRF when that case is appropriate I think it totally depends.</v>

03:14:25.540 --> 03:14:39.340
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But yeah, yeah, I would encourage you to reach out to those facilities and see what's feasible. Yeah. Yeah, I think we need to. Yeah, I think we need to do a little more digging on this and certainly outside source separated drop off places.</v>

03:14:39.640 --> 03:14:52.260
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Umm, they can. They have to protect their quality, right-handed him rejected loads, it costs them a lot of money with thousands per load. Well, that's the thing. I mean, if if it's a contamination is it's like so.</v>

03:14:53.180 --> 03:15:03.780
<v Nadeau, Jessica>If if there's a, if it's a lot of contamination going from municipality with MRF, then the owner of that, MRF is kind of they need to go back to the municipality and.</v>

03:15:04.520 --> 03:15:13.000
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I mean, it's almost gets to the point of like, if a municipality, if a municipality is just not if a municipality citizens.</v>

03:15:13.690 --> 03:15:14.340
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Are not.</v>

03:15:15.250 --> 03:15:15.910
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Doing the.</v>

03:15:16.740 --> 03:15:19.450
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Sorting appropriately that they need to do.</v>

03:15:20.300 --> 03:15:21.310
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Then.</v>

03:15:23.980 --> 03:15:25.090
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Then you almost gotta like.</v>

03:15:26.270 --> 03:15:35.700
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Work with that either. Well, I guess The Who it's it's the the both the MRF owner and the SO. Right. There's two questions. There's like the. Yeah.</v>

03:15:35.780 --> 03:15:45.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And then he's like reponsibilities. Should this be? I mean, honestly, the responsibility is kind of up to the the MRF to make, it's the municipalities, the municipalities job.</v>

03:15:46.530 --> 03:15:57.850
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I guess to educated citizens and well, I'm gonna throw this out as in it as more of it, not a statement, question or whatever. The municipalities job is to.</v>

03:15:58.770 --> 03:16:00.090
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Help its citizens.</v>

03:16:01.650 --> 03:16:05.660
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Sort what it needs to do appropriately and then.</v>

03:16:06.500 --> 03:16:08.890
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The MRF if it's.</v>

03:16:11.400 --> 03:16:13.290
<v Nadeau, Jessica>MRF is responsible for.</v>

03:16:14.220 --> 03:16:16.810
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Kind of making sure the town is.</v>

03:16:17.540 --> 03:16:18.450
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Providing it.</v>

03:16:19.220 --> 03:16:28.770
<v Nadeau, Jessica>With uncontaminated material, and if it's not, then the MRF goes back to the town and says I can't accept. You know, we we've gotta do something.</v>

03:16:29.870 --> 03:16:35.080
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Gotta clean it up and then I'm not necessarily sure when the SO steps in this does the SO.</v>

03:16:37.030 --> 03:16:38.240
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Step in when?</v>

03:16:39.090 --> 03:16:42.170
<v Nadeau, Jessica>If if the town is just unable to produce.</v>

03:16:43.450 --> 03:16:46.970
<v Nadeau, Jessica>If the town citizens aren't able to sort appropriately, then it's not.</v>

03:16:47.660 --> 03:16:48.360
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Recycling.</v>

03:16:49.750 --> 03:16:50.220
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right.</v>

03:16:53.290 --> 03:16:58.940
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But then it goes to the MRF gets mixed in with cleaner material and it gets shipped out and it doesn't get rejected.</v>

03:17:00.110 --> 03:17:09.450
<v Nadeau, Jessica>When you would think that the MRF would want to, if the MRF seeing sounds are coming, that they're gonna, they're the ones who were gonna go that way because the logic.</v>

03:17:09.550 --> 03:17:10.810
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Of the on, off and on.</v>

03:17:11.500 --> 03:17:38.030
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But we're saying on A roll off you'll get commingled loads from various towns on one roll up, but each town had their own collection, their own curbside collection, or their own drop off collection, right. And yeah, so if you, if you gotta narrow it down to that one roll, you gotta, you gotta narrow it down to the town that came from it and and then go back to those towns and figure out which town is doing it right there.</v>

03:17:38.290 --> 03:17:44.930
<v Nadeau, Jessica>SO and some of that's already taking place. Yeah, those communications and those partnerships are.</v>

03:17:45.580 --> 03:18:07.310
<v Nadeau, Jessica>There are out there. It's just whether or not we're, we know about it or if the SO will know about it in, in the immediate or if they'll hear about it later and then it'll be, you know, there will be, there will be some delay, right. So here's about this contamination issue at a municipal level. Well, this house, there's already. Yes, so gonna.</v>

03:18:08.160 --> 03:18:37.880
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Well, how's the still gonna find out is the. Is the MRF gonna tattle tale on the SO that down X is is sending it crappy stuff. Bottom line is though isn't the the the deposit the tips at the MRF are going to be higher than what the MRF puts out for product assuming that the MRF can clean out the crap that people put in there and they generally can so they'll be a difference in weights. Yeah the outbound outbound material versus the outbound right there will be a difference in tonnage.</v>

03:18:38.150 --> 03:18:42.410
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That'll matter, because does every municipality goes to that, MRF, get.</v>

03:18:43.640 --> 03:18:46.620
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Affected equally. Why are they gonna get dinged?</v>

03:18:47.270 --> 03:19:17.540
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Well, because because they're still recycling that material that comes out of the other end of the Murph. Well, but I mean it's like you put in that's not you put it 100 tons and I put in 100 tons and half of mine was crap and yours was really good. So the MRF recycles 150 tons, correct, because you're 100 times is good and mine isn't good. Times was only 50 times. And I'm gonna give you 75 times and you're going to get 75 MRF is paying for disposal.</v>

03:19:17.650 --> 03:19:30.280
<v Nadeau, Jessica>With what disposal? The 50 tons that couldn't be recycled and they gonna figure out who the hell they could charge for? It's so right. So you're saying it's gonna go back? Yeah, and you're figure it out. Figure it out. Yeah.</v>

03:19:31.330 --> 03:19:41.480
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right. Isn't that what drove it? I mean, it was just getting cost cost. Yeah. And they have to pay for additional sorters or sorting for the most part to pull out. All right.</v>

03:19:41.580 --> 03:20:10.870
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Define themselves. That's a workers comp potential issue that's, I mean, yeah, it exponentially increases the cost when contamination gets thrown. A shirt contamination is a problem, and it always is and always will be probably. But the industry that exists, it's already has a mechanism to deal with it. Yeah. So I don't be heard of that educational solution too. The carrot part of this right. And making sure that municipalities have the.</v>

03:20:11.580 --> 03:20:18.170
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Have the list they know what's acceptable, and they can be a partner in that education as well to help.</v>

03:20:19.060 --> 03:20:27.540
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know, with this list of really recyclable items in the way for the first time, can can advertise across the state.</v>

03:20:28.490 --> 03:20:31.280
<v Nadeau, Jessica>One theme on our recycling.</v>

03:20:32.230 --> 03:20:40.240
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You know, and just promote that list all the way across the state that that can't be done now because they're, but there's something a little differently.</v>

03:20:41.640 --> 03:21:01.950
<v Nadeau, Jessica>There. Right. There are other mechanisms that improving education and there's currently a mechanism for dealing with contamination. Forced there should you know. Yeah. So we should just stay out of money. There's existing. Yeah. An existing system for it. It's just are they doing it now or are they not doing it? And if it incurs additional costs on them?</v>

03:21:02.670 --> 03:21:09.230
<v Nadeau, Jessica>How does how do they get compensated for that, and how does that factor in? This is the other thing?</v>

03:21:12.890 --> 03:21:17.250
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We'll do that or do that's great. That's fine the way that.</v>

03:21:18.320 --> 03:21:33.970
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Take care and stay out of. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think, yeah, that we think we stay out of it. I don't. Yeah. Well, we go into. Right. Yeah. Why would we wait into that? Because we have not. We don't have that. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Rolls back to that. Yeah.</v>

03:21:39.360 --> 03:21:41.270
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, so we're still an audience.</v>

03:21:42.190 --> 03:22:11.450
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Moving out of municipal contamination and into processed material on it, the statute requires that material specific recycling rates reflect the tonnage of material that ultimately enters reclaiming operation, but there will be times when this information is not known to a municipality when this information is not accessible to municipalities, how could data collected to inform material specific recycling?</v>

03:22:11.530 --> 03:22:11.920
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Wait.</v>

03:22:12.710 --> 03:22:18.330
<v Nadeau, Jessica>To the municipality, the SO brokers or processors have a role in the containing this information.</v>

03:22:19.480 --> 03:22:27.950
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Are there industry standards such as average yields from reclaiming processing facilities that can be applied to supplementation information?</v>

03:22:29.180 --> 03:22:36.140
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Is it sufficient to know what materials in a mixed bale are targeted by a secondary processing facility?</v>

03:22:40.930 --> 03:22:42.160
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Not sure I understand.</v>

03:22:44.330 --> 03:22:46.750
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So the statute has this thing that says.</v>

03:22:47.740 --> 03:22:50.460
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You will measure recycling rates.</v>

03:22:51.580 --> 03:22:54.910
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Based on demand material that.</v>

03:22:55.410 --> 03:23:06.660
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Umm is ready to enter a glass processing and that is ready to enter a pelletization, right? And that's how it reads.</v>

03:23:07.380 --> 03:23:09.140
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And so.</v>

03:23:09.880 --> 03:23:10.320
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Uh.</v>

03:23:13.610 --> 03:23:14.980
<v Nadeau, Jessica>If say.</v>

03:23:16.800 --> 03:23:31.490
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Facility management sending a mixed plastic bale to somebody who's gonna put it through a PERF and sort out some plastics and not others. We won't necessarily have that information on the final yield, right?</v>

03:23:32.190 --> 03:23:40.360
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That will be reflected in the phrase that the entity gets paid. So it's sort of in the municipal reimbursement sort of been taking care of. But in terms of measuring our recycling rate.</v>

03:23:42.290 --> 03:23:46.260
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We don't have necessarily all the information we need and how we like we get it.</v>

03:23:51.700 --> 03:23:52.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And it changes.</v>

03:23:53.920 --> 03:23:58.570
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Over the course of time with the market, you know could be.</v>

03:23:59.160 --> 03:24:06.600
<v Nadeau, Jessica>#4 today, but it's five tomorrow and five till the cows come home. But stinks is also a good sometimes you know.</v>

03:24:06.800 --> 03:24:08.620
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And it's a tough one.</v>

03:24:10.060 --> 03:24:20.630
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I never got a clear answer on when I was marketing one and three through 7. Ohh, but I was doing it for five. I finally figured out maybe a little bit of the one.</v>

03:24:23.920 --> 03:24:27.780
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And that is so specific to the end market there.</v>

03:24:29.140 --> 03:24:31.200
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Secrets. I don't know how we get that.</v>

03:24:31.700 --> 03:24:36.980
<v Nadeau, Jessica>They mention a broker survey representing him broker survey commute.</v>

03:24:38.870 --> 03:24:41.400
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Well, yeah, it might. It might give you a.</v>

03:24:43.900 --> 03:24:44.820
<v Nadeau, Jessica>An indication.</v>

03:24:45.850 --> 03:24:46.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Of.</v>

03:24:48.590 --> 03:24:50.620
<v Nadeau, Jessica>What's the desirable in the marketplace?</v>

03:24:53.820 --> 03:25:04.850
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And Vic may have an answer from for that when you know, I marketed to him. So maybe at that time I sent a load through him. Maybe he knew what.</v>

03:25:05.960 --> 03:25:08.710
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Like the the aim of that bale was really.</v>

03:25:11.460 --> 03:25:12.670
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But that's stronger.</v>

03:25:12.760 --> 03:25:14.550
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So to make.</v>

03:25:16.250 --> 03:25:23.270
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Stop. Hey, do you have any thoughts on if it's fair game for the ask those questions of recliamers?</v>

03:25:24.900 --> 03:25:26.650
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Here you go.</v>

03:25:28.500 --> 03:25:28.950
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That.</v>

03:25:28.010 --> 03:25:32.210
<v Scott Byrne>It's fair game to ask. It's not likely you'll get answers.</v>

03:25:32.310 --> 03:25:32.690
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's.</v>

03:25:34.750 --> 03:25:45.260
<v Scott Byrne>You know, you know, I I kind of get the sentence too. So I guess the question you're trying to answer is if you send a load of cardboard to a paper mill, how much of it gets turned into?</v>

03:25:46.010 --> 03:25:46.950
<v Scott Byrne>Finished product.</v>

03:25:51.890 --> 03:25:52.580
<v Scott Byrne>Yeah, well.</v>

03:25:54.780 --> 03:25:55.290
<v Scott Byrne>So.</v>

03:25:48.250 --> 03:25:56.000
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Everyone, that'd be one or mixed paper mixed paper. Paper. Paper. Yeah. Which has box board and then.</v>

03:25:56.470 --> 03:26:03.080
<v Scott Byrne>I I would say we probably wouldn't tell you it's it's it's likely proprietary how effective.</v>

03:26:03.930 --> 03:26:07.960
<v Scott Byrne>Your systems are and that goes straight to what the yield is on the other side.</v>

03:26:09.620 --> 03:26:22.220
<v Scott Byrne>I think there's probably some good industry averages out there, you know, maybe a AF&PA would give you a number, but to say it goes to paper mill, XY and Z. How are those three mills doing?</v>

03:26:23.140 --> 03:26:32.940
<v Scott Byrne>Probably not gonna tell you and just thinking into the future, one reason they might not tell you is then you could foresee someone saying, OK, well, we're not gonna send it to that lower yielding paper mill anymore.</v>

03:26:35.200 --> 03:26:37.810
<v Scott Byrne>You know, raised a lot of potential issues and and.</v>

03:26:38.670 --> 03:26:42.810
<v Scott Byrne>So always worth asking. I don't know if you're gonna get specifics.</v>

03:26:44.420 --> 03:26:53.040
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But there may be industry averages that maybe so that is something that perhaps you would tell to AF&PA and they would.</v>

03:26:53.830 --> 03:26:55.440
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, there's some work.</v>

03:26:54.850 --> 03:27:11.740
<v Scott Byrne>I think you could get some yield. This is for the fiber industry. Some yield numbers. I mean, even Western Michigan University testing, which some look to as the determination of recyclability, has a number that says it's considered a cycle with it yields at least.</v>

03:27:12.730 --> 03:27:19.860
<v Scott Byrne>X percent in the papermaking process. So you know, you could kind of start to anchor assumptions on it, but again.</v>

03:27:21.080 --> 03:27:30.230
<v Scott Byrne>They'd be industry numbers, not specific to Maine, and they wouldn't go up or down, right. You couldn't say you didn't. Better. Worse over time. Unless the industry data.</v>

03:27:31.130 --> 03:27:32.740
<v Scott Byrne>Got better or worse over time?</v>

03:27:34.120 --> 03:27:36.850
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That really what we want, you know.</v>

03:27:37.660 --> 03:27:38.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The bale of.</v>

03:27:40.040 --> 03:27:41.440
<v Scott Byrne>It's a unique way of.</v>

03:27:40.080 --> 03:27:41.480
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Build the fiber. Some of them.</v>

03:27:45.480 --> 03:27:46.180
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I'm just work.</v>

03:27:42.150 --> 03:27:48.390
<v Scott Byrne>I so sorry for interrupting there. It's a unique way of measuring recycling I believe.</v>

03:27:49.400 --> 03:27:50.480
<v Scott Byrne>To say just what.</v>

03:27:52.010 --> 03:27:54.030
<v Scott Byrne>Comes out the end of the end market.</v>

03:27:55.100 --> 03:27:58.630
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah. And it's gonna be so variable. I mean, from mill to mill to mill.</v>

03:28:00.970 --> 03:28:03.500
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Are we really more concerned about?</v>

03:28:05.560 --> 03:28:10.610
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And product from what we can handle what we can actually impact is the bale.</v>

03:28:11.840 --> 03:28:16.570
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And what percentage of that bale is actually packaging? That's really all we should be.</v>

03:28:17.250 --> 03:28:32.280
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Concerned about right? What, like mixed paper. I'm sending you 1 through 7 to Canada so they have. They can go in the trash. They are. We are. What percentage will do bale breaks here and figure out.</v>

03:28:33.470 --> 03:28:47.620
<v Nadeau, Jessica>What's what? What it break? What's the breakdown of that bale? And then try and get some numbers from the Plastics Association? What's the rough breakdown of what you're actually trying to recover? We know for the most part it's 5.</v>

03:28:49.350 --> 03:28:52.360
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But you're not going to get precise numbers.</v>

03:28:56.930 --> 03:29:00.520
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Speak it. Mixed paper includes packaging and non packaging.</v>

03:29:00.630 --> 03:29:05.000
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You have this raised the bale and yeah, just find all the box boards.</v>

03:29:08.060 --> 03:29:08.310
<v Scott Byrne>Yeah.</v>

03:29:06.570 --> 03:29:11.380
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And what else? You might consider packaging and then everything else goes off to the side. Weigh it up.</v>

03:29:11.860 --> 03:29:13.260
<v Scott Byrne>And those bale audits.</v>

03:29:16.230 --> 03:29:16.790
<v Nadeau, Jessica>They are.</v>

03:29:17.850 --> 03:29:18.360
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Definitely.</v>

03:29:14.170 --> 03:29:19.460
<v Scott Byrne>Pretty standard across industry. I mean, people do bale breaks pretty often to figure out what's in there.</v>

03:29:20.770 --> 03:29:21.860
<v Scott Byrne>I know what levels.</v>

03:29:22.510 --> 03:29:22.740
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah.</v>

03:29:28.070 --> 03:29:29.090
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Job.</v>

03:29:31.230 --> 03:29:32.700
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Hear that, Vic? You got work to do?</v>

03:29:35.720 --> 03:29:38.730
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I think you don't on his driving.</v>

03:29:40.460 --> 03:29:40.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It is.</v>

03:29:42.060 --> 03:29:44.650
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, you want? Ohh yeah.</v>

03:29:44.890 --> 03:29:45.440
<v Nadeau, Jessica>There it is.</v>

03:29:46.380 --> 03:29:48.990
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I like one. No, that's that, Steve.</v>

03:30:02.620 --> 03:30:03.000
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Right.</v>

03:30:06.000 --> 03:30:06.450
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah.</v>

03:30:02.950 --> 03:30:07.650
<v Steve Navedo>Sorry, sorry. There's a lag on the microphones coming on and stuff, so.</v>

03:30:08.970 --> 03:30:15.470
<v Steve Navedo>Just to give you some perspective on the plastic side, or Reclaimer, can generally tell you what his net yield is.</v>

03:30:17.090 --> 03:30:36.560
<v Steve Navedo>From bale and and and actually by color. Also you know net 55% clear PET out of a PET bale, but generally they can work off of of ranges say 55 to 60% things like that. They can also tell you.</v>

03:30:37.210 --> 03:30:43.190
<v Steve Navedo>What MRFs are feeding them good bales, good material and bad material.</v>

03:30:43.530 --> 03:30:43.790
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah.</v>

03:30:44.970 --> 03:30:50.300
<v Steve Navedo>But again, there's a there's a window in there as far as the the the ranges are concerned.</v>

03:30:51.400 --> 03:30:53.400
<v Steve Navedo>Can he he tell you?</v>

03:30:54.930 --> 03:31:02.310
<v Steve Navedo>More than what's good or bad? Probably, probably not, but overall.</v>

03:31:03.580 --> 03:31:22.830
<v Steve Navedo>Especially we probably by state. Also you could say, OK, the material I'm getting from Maine is and they'll give you some general, generally good, generally bad and give you some ideas on on yields. But you know this is not an exact science, it's recycling you know, so.</v>

03:31:23.970 --> 03:31:25.500
<v Steve Navedo>But it'll give you some ideas.</v>

03:31:28.850 --> 03:31:43.350
<v Steve Navedo>And and you get that information from the people that are selling your bales. Whoever is selling those bales, whether it's a broker or an end user, the broker can go back to whoever he sold those bales too and kind of get a feel.</v>

03:31:44.670 --> 03:31:45.220
<v Steve Navedo>Of.</v>

03:31:46.160 --> 03:31:49.530
<v Steve Navedo>Of the quality of the the bales that he.</v>

03:31:49.670 --> 03:31:55.020
<v Steve Navedo>forcing and selling from whatever state or or whatever MRF.</v>

03:31:55.790 --> 03:31:56.290
<v Steve Navedo>OK.</v>

03:31:58.130 --> 03:32:12.600
<v Steve Navedo>There's always a a fudge factor in there that where people always complain about the material, because if they say it's good, then chances are they're gonna end up paying more for the next load. But you know you you work with what you get.</v>

03:32:09.910 --> 03:32:13.060
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Don't he hung up with our long time. I wanted to hear that.</v>

03:32:13.690 --> 03:32:14.680
<v Steve Navedo>Yeah.</v>

03:32:13.620 --> 03:32:16.540
<v Nadeau, Jessica>About the hold on. Yeah, well.</v>

03:32:16.650 --> 03:32:17.160
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Hello.</v>

03:32:19.490 --> 03:32:20.730
<v Steve Navedo>But that that's about it.</v>

03:32:19.640 --> 03:32:21.080
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You missed your last comment.</v>

03:32:22.120 --> 03:32:31.430
<v Steve Navedo>Are you you? You kind of work with the the information that that you got you know. But again as I said this is recycling it's not an exact science.</v>

03:32:34.530 --> 03:32:34.920
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Thanks.</v>

03:32:37.430 --> 03:32:37.950
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

03:32:39.960 --> 03:32:40.390
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I mean.</v>

03:32:41.160 --> 03:32:41.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah.</v>

03:32:43.110 --> 03:32:46.230
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, so the last topic.</v>

03:32:47.200 --> 03:32:48.240
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Is is goals.</v>

03:32:49.880 --> 03:32:50.870
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And.</v>

03:32:52.660 --> 03:33:16.010
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We we we separate them into packaging design goals and program performance goals. And here we're just really thinking about aligning with industry and other jurisdictions. So we're just going to propose these should a goal be set to streamline with the USPP of the United States.</v>

03:33:17.870 --> 03:33:23.530
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Plastics pack for 30% recycled content, with the target by 2030.</v>

03:33:25.790 --> 03:33:38.550
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And we're also looking at California's overall reduction in weight and number of individual covered packaging units with at least 10% met through elimination or for reuse.</v>

03:33:41.510 --> 03:33:52.530
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And then our last question should program performing schools consider the percent of participating producers who contribute to each packaging design goal?</v>

03:33:53.930 --> 03:33:54.240
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And.</v>

03:33:55.180 --> 03:33:56.190
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Andy is ready.</v>

03:33:58.230 --> 03:33:59.240
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Well, not quite yet.</v>

03:34:01.160 --> 03:34:01.810
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Now he is.</v>

03:34:06.160 --> 03:34:07.150
<v Andy Hackman>So.</v>

03:34:08.500 --> 03:34:17.420
<v Andy Hackman>Is 25 minutes to go over performance goals when when in other states we would spent, you know, months trying to get to agreement on performance goals.</v>

03:34:18.040 --> 03:34:33.150
<v Andy Hackman>Umm. On the 30% recycled content, that's not gonna be applicable for all product types and and you know potentially across even subcategories of plastic.</v>

03:34:33.670 --> 03:34:50.740
<v Andy Hackman>Umm, food contact is a critical factor where recycled content can be limited. They depending upon whether not FDA has approved this certain resin type. If we're looking at 30% PCR for product specifically sold into Maine.</v>

03:34:51.460 --> 03:35:01.910
<v Andy Hackman>That's a whole different equation versus looking at national averaging. I mean, we've got entire pieces of legislation that deal with recycled content, right? And that's.</v>

03:35:02.770 --> 03:35:23.380
<v Andy Hackman>Obviously something that's called out in the law, but we're gonna need to get into specifics if we're talking about Maine based averaged across products, but at this point, we would not endorse the 30% across all product categories approach for recycled content for source reduction.</v>

03:35:24.580 --> 03:35:52.990
<v Andy Hackman>No way at this point has any clue on how California SB54 source reduction will be achieved, and there has been some definite argument over the the activities that count towards that. And there's clean up legislation that has a hearing. And I think in two weeks specifically to try to get to some of those issues, but we were we would not endorse a 25% source reduction goal.</v>

03:35:53.470 --> 03:36:25.140
<v Andy Hackman>And and the regulatory structure, I appreciate that the background document acknowledges that these are not enforceable. You know, ban on products going to marketplace goals. But we do wanna send reasonable and feasible goals if we're going to put things into the regulatory code. So that's just my initial comments. Happy to get into more individual detail about rates and dates. But specifically I'll throw out caution on the 30%.</v>

03:36:26.060 --> 03:36:57.720
<v Andy Hackman>New Jersey is the closest relative neighbor with a recycled content law. They look at national averaging and there are waiver processes, so again, depending upon how specific we're gonna try to put this into the regulatory structure, I think what we are comfortable with sort of generic goals and are happy to engage in dialogue around those. But if we're gonna get specific about trying to measure and achieve performance.</v>

03:36:57.960 --> 03:37:27.090
<v Andy Hackman>We need to acknowledge the fact that in some applications, recycled content is not gonna be used and then if we're gonna force achievement of of this overall goal, the potential for waivers and and acknowledging market factors are going to be critical issues to also put into into the regulatory code that as there are extenuating market factors that those would be accounted for and achievement of this goal or what happened particularly recycled content goal.</v>

03:37:29.060 --> 03:37:32.490
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Break those producers that didn't contribute to.</v>

03:37:34.660 --> 03:37:37.150
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Using this recycled content just paid more.</v>

03:37:38.530 --> 03:37:41.480
<v Andy Hackman>Sorry, the entire first part of your comment cut out there, Elena.</v>

03:37:42.210 --> 03:37:49.620
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That we not think it's appropriate for producers who don't participate by using recycled content to pay more.</v>

03:37:51.280 --> 03:38:01.640
<v Andy Hackman>So that I mean if it's an ecomodulation factor, then then I think that's something that could be considered, you know when we talk about the the producer fees on that's in July, right.</v>

03:38:02.900 --> 03:38:24.810
<v Andy Hackman>So if it's an eagle modulation factor, that's kind of a different story. But if we're putting into regulatory code or requirement that that all producers achieve or across the category, we achieve 30% recycled content and how we're going to validate for that, it needs to account for those different factors. But if somebody's not using any recycled content.</v>

03:38:25.850 --> 03:38:33.940
<v Andy Hackman>That would be an ecomodulation factor that would not be a performance able to put into the regulatory structure for the. So to try to achieve so.</v>

03:38:35.600 --> 03:38:36.410
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Do you have?</v>

03:38:37.600 --> 03:38:40.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Maybe you could follow up with suggestions on appropriate.</v>

03:38:41.040 --> 03:38:43.180
<v Nadeau, Jessica>A regulatory goals.</v>

03:38:44.600 --> 03:38:45.430
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That's something that.</v>

03:38:44.440 --> 03:38:45.450
<v Andy Hackman>Yeah, what happened?</v>

03:38:47.550 --> 03:38:49.860
<v Andy Hackman>That we're having to put some suggestions in, right.</v>

03:38:52.390 --> 03:38:54.110
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Since we only have 20 minutes.</v>

03:38:55.640 --> 03:38:58.430
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Wouldn't be possible that add other meeting you're talking about for?</v>

03:39:01.160 --> 03:39:03.310
<v Andy Hackman>Sorry, I couldn't hear Vanessa's comment either.</v>

03:39:05.270 --> 03:39:06.900
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You want another meeting on goals?</v>

03:39:09.920 --> 03:39:21.930
<v Andy Hackman>I'd be happy to do a meeting and goals if if this is the first time I've heard 30% and then I you know, I did anticipate that maybe the source reduction goal would come up, but happy to happy to do another meeting on goals if that's if that's what the desire is.</v>

03:39:27.110 --> 03:39:27.920
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Just the bot.</v>

03:39:34.810 --> 03:39:35.210
<v Andy Hackman>Yep.</v>

03:39:32.170 --> 03:39:35.370
<v Nadeau, Jessica>I'll be writing would be helpful too if you have time.</v>

03:39:39.930 --> 03:39:40.630
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Thanks Andy.</v>

03:39:42.360 --> 03:39:44.220
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, Steve next.</v>

03:39:56.690 --> 03:40:00.700
<v Steve Navedo>I I I spoke like half my answer before the MIC turned on.</v>

03:40:02.440 --> 03:40:10.080
<v Steve Navedo>I agree with Andy that you can't expect a 30% recycled content on all resin types across the board. It's not realistic.</v>

03:40:11.330 --> 03:40:38.530
<v Steve Navedo>For plastics, though, you may want to consider a 30% recycled content in general for that commodity. For plastics, the fact that Maine is a deposit state, you can get a big boost from your PET because you're PET content could be could be higher, you know, depending on on on that that that factor.</v>

03:40:40.170 --> 03:40:54.060
<v Steve Navedo>But you know it trying to to get you know 30% from from ones and twos and fives and sixes and fours you know is is not realistic. You might have a shot at.</v>

03:40:56.480 --> 03:41:25.070
<v Steve Navedo>At the clumping all plastics together and and then getting perhaps a 30%. And again it's it's, it's a goal you know is it a a stretch goal? Yeah, possibly. It's a it's a stretch goal. But you know, you know, I I figure as far as the industry is concerned, what's the point of doing 5% to 10%. You know a lot of the testing for for food packaging for example.</v>

03:41:25.200 --> 03:41:30.680
<v Steve Navedo>It's done at twenty 25-30%. That's not to say they're gonna use it at those levels, but.</v>

03:41:31.880 --> 03:41:53.480
<v Steve Navedo>You know you you need to stretch the the the goal to to push the industry forward in that regard. And I think PET could could help you out a bit. But I mean this is a topic that deserves a a lot more discussion because there are a lot of variables and again that's just in in plastics. God knows about the other commodities, I don't know.</v>

03:41:54.270 --> 03:41:54.630
<v Steve Navedo>But.</v>

03:41:55.880 --> 03:41:56.710
<v Steve Navedo>For another day.</v>

03:42:05.060 --> 03:42:12.520
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Are resin specific numbers, something that you could hazard a guess at?</v>

03:42:14.610 --> 03:42:16.640
<v Steve Navedo>For recycled content on the.</v>

03:42:17.560 --> 03:42:18.800
<v Steve Navedo>But the different resins.</v>

03:42:19.730 --> 03:42:29.500
<v Steve Navedo>Possibly, but, but not not sitting here under the the the pressure of everybody in Maine, you know, listening to to my guesstimates.</v>

03:42:30.620 --> 03:42:32.170
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, fair enough.</v>

03:42:37.020 --> 03:42:38.120
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's OK.</v>

03:42:51.090 --> 03:42:51.500
<v Nadeau, Jessica>No.</v>

03:42:52.510 --> 03:42:53.290
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Dave is up.</v>

03:43:02.910 --> 03:43:05.000
<v Westerhof, Dave>Hey there, I'm gonna get a little technical on you.</v>

03:43:05.160 --> 03:43:05.740
<v Westerhof, Dave>Ohm.</v>

03:43:07.220 --> 03:43:24.450
<v Westerhof, Dave>The you take a serial liner and our Maine's objectives, it's mainly a high density liner unless we have flavor barrier added to it. But you take a a serial liner. We've been optimizing it over the last 100 years or I guess we've been in plastic since the 80s.</v>

03:43:27.120 --> 03:43:36.730
<v Westerhof, Dave>So we've been down gauging and saving material production wise. Now if I have to add recycle content.</v>

03:43:37.750 --> 03:43:52.720
<v Westerhof, Dave>The recycle content that's approved, you know, letter of no objection is milk jugs, water jugs, right? That material doesn't have the barrier properties. So when I have a a liner that's two mils thick.</v>

03:43:54.060 --> 03:43:59.460
<v Westerhof, Dave>And now I have to add 30% of milk jugs. My liner's gonna have to go up to 2 1/2 mils.</v>

03:44:00.180 --> 03:44:02.390
<v Westerhof, Dave>So basically I'm adding more plastic.</v>

03:44:04.660 --> 03:44:05.580
<v Westerhof, Dave>You see the point.</v>

03:44:06.420 --> 03:44:07.840
<v Westerhof, Dave>That, yeah.</v>

03:44:08.550 --> 03:44:15.710
<v Westerhof, Dave>I can't. I can't achieve the barrier in the shelf life of my food so. And then when I have a flavor barrier liner.</v>

03:44:16.870 --> 03:44:17.600
<v Westerhof, Dave>I've got.</v>

03:44:18.270 --> 03:44:20.430
<v Westerhof, Dave>Maybe EVOH or nylon plus?</v>

03:44:21.060 --> 03:44:23.090
<v Westerhof, Dave>High densities plus a sealant.</v>

03:44:24.100 --> 03:44:24.840
<v Westerhof, Dave>And I've got.</v>

03:44:25.600 --> 03:44:28.510
<v Westerhof, Dave>Maybe 40% high density in the liner.</v>

03:44:31.060 --> 03:44:47.160
<v Westerhof, Dave>In total, so to say, I gotta have 30% of you know, I can only. You're gonna tell me. I gotta have 30% of that liner be recycled content. I can't get EBOH. I Can't get these sealants and the tile layers. I can only get high density.</v>

03:44:48.190 --> 03:45:06.430
<v Westerhof, Dave>So I can't put that much into the liner, so that's what they're saying by technical challenges. And if I'm using polypropylene, I just can't get it. But so films are different than bottles and I think that's part of the consideration. So I do, I do support another conversation on that.</v>

03:45:07.110 --> 03:45:07.650
<v Westerhof, Dave>Topic.</v>

03:45:10.040 --> 03:45:13.050
<v Nadeau, Jessica>So you're saying that if you're making your liner out of?</v>

03:45:17.290 --> 03:45:25.280
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Did you say you said probably probably I would. I was. And that's what you're whatever you're making out of it. It's never gonna be made out of type of content. That would be.</v>

03:45:27.830 --> 03:45:31.770
<v Westerhof, Dave>Right, so cereals dry. So it's main shelf life is moisture.</v>

03:45:32.540 --> 03:45:33.140
<v Westerhof, Dave>Barrier.</v>

03:45:34.170 --> 03:45:35.740
<v Westerhof, Dave>Right. You don't want soggy cereal.</v>

03:45:36.790 --> 03:45:41.970
<v Westerhof, Dave>Or whatever the product is. You know, if it's. If it's that high density is the efficient way of doing that.</v>

03:45:43.140 --> 03:45:49.610
<v Westerhof, Dave>So that uses the least amount of plastic, and we've been down gauging it for me to switch to polyester liner.</v>

03:45:50.310 --> 03:45:51.930
<v Westerhof, Dave>I might have a three month shelf life.</v>

03:45:53.490 --> 03:45:57.280
<v Westerhof, Dave>I can't switch to our polyester liner, right? The infrastructure isn't there.</v>

03:45:58.350 --> 03:46:01.190
<v Westerhof, Dave>I gotta have a high density, a moisture barrier liner.</v>

03:46:03.890 --> 03:46:05.150
<v Westerhof, Dave>Well, if that answered your question.</v>

03:46:06.590 --> 03:46:10.560
<v Nadeau, Jessica>At least you're very you're lying or can't come through this. All the type of content.</v>

03:46:12.450 --> 03:46:12.880
<v Westerhof, Dave>Right.</v>

03:46:14.150 --> 03:46:20.150
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Because it's not FDA approved at the moment because it's it's just not done because.</v>

03:46:21.870 --> 03:46:29.790
<v Westerhof, Dave>Well, there's food contact and I I I also can't validate where that material came from. If there's PFAs in it or whatever else.</v>

03:46:32.180 --> 03:46:37.630
<v Westerhof, Dave>Alright, so I'm taking a risk by mechanically recycled as opposed to advanced recycled.</v>

03:46:41.660 --> 03:46:44.960
<v Westerhof, Dave>So there's a lot of considerations. You talk food contact and contaminations.</v>

03:46:46.750 --> 03:46:47.920
<v Westerhof, Dave>Recycled content.</v>

03:46:54.120 --> 03:46:54.430
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

03:46:57.080 --> 03:46:57.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

03:46:58.980 --> 03:47:08.330
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Dave actually brings up a good point on between mechanical and recycled, and it looks like in the statute that the recycling right is based on mechanical only.</v>

03:47:09.380 --> 03:47:13.660
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Umm Jessica shaking her head and the land is looking at me. Come to yours.</v>

03:47:16.400 --> 03:47:23.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, about advanced recycling. When it does say it's the recycling is not.</v>

03:47:25.060 --> 03:47:25.510
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Umm.</v>

03:47:27.800 --> 03:47:35.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Any sort of combustion? Yeah, the so plastic some plastics of advanced recycling would be recycling and.</v>

03:47:37.290 --> 03:47:38.830
<v Nadeau, Jessica>plastics the fuel would not.</v>

03:47:39.720 --> 03:47:47.680
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, yeah, of course. And that's actually even from an old statue, I think from Maine. But under the goal section, it refers to.</v>

03:47:48.900 --> 03:47:58.110
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Further processing before entering the pellletization step or anything like that, and it wasn't sure the background on that piece and it seems limiting.</v>

03:48:02.270 --> 03:48:04.970
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Think it's probably limiting the number, yeah.</v>

03:48:07.370 --> 03:48:12.720
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Of that, yeah. You're. Yes, you're right. So that, that when it has those those.</v>

03:48:13.840 --> 03:48:16.480
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yes, that, that piece there does would be, wouldn't it?</v>

03:48:18.610 --> 03:48:20.060
<v Nadeau, Jessica>That's going to really limit your rate.</v>

03:48:22.540 --> 03:48:29.950
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Is it? I mean I'm. I'm eager to see to see like advanced recycling I have. But I would love to that to be the case.</v>

03:48:32.390 --> 03:48:32.790
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Umm.</v>

03:48:34.170 --> 03:48:37.810
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, that's it's an interesting, interesting that of.</v>

03:48:40.120 --> 03:48:42.350
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Strangely added there and put up.</v>

03:48:44.090 --> 03:48:46.500
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It's a good point. Thank you for bringing that part up.</v>

03:48:49.930 --> 03:48:51.840
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Steve's got his hand up.</v>

03:48:59.440 --> 03:48:59.800
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

03:49:05.560 --> 03:49:07.130
<v Steve Navedo>OK, I think I'm In Sync now.</v>

03:49:07.490 --> 03:49:12.470
<v Steve Navedo>Uh, I agree with what Dave was saying with regards to.</v>

03:49:13.150 --> 03:49:27.210
<v Steve Navedo>To all of that, especially when you're talking about food contact with recycled content, there's a recycler and recycling, yeah, recycle content is great and we want more and everything. But when you're talking about food grade.</v>

03:49:27.450 --> 03:49:31.890
<v Steve Navedo>A. That discussion changes by resin.</v>

03:49:33.030 --> 03:50:04.720
<v Steve Navedo>If if you're looking at putting in recycled content for PET, yeah, you got a shot at at at doing, making some great strides with food grade. High density is number 2 and it's moving forward industry wise, but there's not a lot of material available and polypro is and low density is even less, at least until chemical recycling takes a hold. So from a recycling perspective, you have recycled content is great.</v>

03:50:04.810 --> 03:50:35.660
<v Steve Navedo>From a sustainability perspective, there are other factors and and I agree with that as far as lessening on on films, it's happening on thermal forms and bottles. Also as far as lightweighting, that is a sustainability goal for the industry. If you've noticed, when you crumple about a bottle of of water, it's like crumpling a piece of paper. I mean the amount of plastic in the bottle and the bottle of water today is very different from a bottle of water.</v>

03:50:35.740 --> 03:51:02.670
<v Steve Navedo>Ten years ago, well, 15 years ago. So it's, it's not just recycling. It's sustainability as a as a whole and the industry is trying to address all these sustainability issues from from different angles. Recycle content is just one of them's greenhouse gas emissions and energy use and water use and everything else are all factors. And what industry is doing to address all these issues.</v>

03:51:03.680 --> 03:51:10.230
<v Steve Navedo>But recycled content is important, but it's not the be all and end all. And as a recycler it hurts me to say that.</v>

03:51:16.050 --> 03:51:16.510
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK.</v>

03:51:18.040 --> 03:51:18.710
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Thanks Steve.</v>

03:51:36.190 --> 03:51:38.010
<v Nadeau, Jessica></v>

03:51:39.110 --> 03:51:40.260
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We're done with our list.</v>

03:51:42.040 --> 03:51:47.050
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Anybody have anything to bring up? We've reached the end of our list of discussion items.</v>

03:51:47.930 --> 03:51:51.650
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Anyone have anything to bring up that was not brought up?</v>

03:51:59.640 --> 03:52:00.080
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yes.</v>

03:52:01.870 --> 03:52:08.140
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And Tony, he disappeared. It stuck his hand up and disappeared. I think it's fair to.</v>

03:52:13.340 --> 03:52:14.860
<v Nadeau, Jessica>For time well.</v>

03:52:16.320 --> 03:52:16.750
<v Nadeau, Jessica>There.</v>

03:52:23.260 --> 03:52:29.070
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>That that took like four tries to get to get the mic. Maybe that's a sign.</v>

03:52:31.710 --> 03:52:34.510
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>The the extra goals meeting is that a given.</v>

03:52:37.070 --> 03:52:41.540
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Or the add-on at goals meeting is that is that going to be scheduled?</v>

03:52:43.270 --> 03:52:45.550
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It still got 7 minutes ago, so nobody wants to see.</v>

03:52:49.910 --> 03:52:52.770
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We could think about adding it to one of our other meetings.</v>

03:52:52.470 --> 03:52:53.200
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>OK.</v>

03:52:54.000 --> 03:52:56.020
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah, yeah, yeah.</v>

03:52:57.130 --> 03:52:57.380
<v Nadeau, Jessica>And.</v>

03:52:58.240 --> 03:53:03.250
<v Nadeau, Jessica>You keep that we do confirm that there will be a focus meeting for this topic.</v>

03:53:03.950 --> 03:53:07.550
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Uh, we will let you let you know if because that.</v>

03:53:08.690 --> 03:53:27.560
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Technically, this was supposed to be the date for the focus meeting, but we had the storm closure so it's it's A2 beat determined date at this point, but I've already actually assigned out the winner for Sunday, so should I just share that it's tentative still, but in the case that we do move forward with a focus meeting, it would be on?</v>

03:53:30.300 --> 03:53:30.890
<v Nadeau, Jessica>The.</v>

03:53:32.300 --> 03:53:35.140
<v Nadeau, Jessica>It at the end of the day, I think it's May 30th. Yeah, well.</v>

03:53:36.390 --> 03:53:37.840
<v Nadeau, Jessica>We'll send out a we'll.</v>

03:53:39.280 --> 03:53:39.610
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah.</v>

03:53:40.860 --> 03:53:42.070
<v Nadeau, Jessica>But we will confirm.</v>

03:53:45.500 --> 03:53:53.480
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Just real quick, the inventor of the Merry go round and the inventor of the Ferris wheel will never met. They traveled in different circles.</v>

03:53:57.130 --> 03:53:58.700
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Yeah. OK.</v>

03:54:01.520 --> 03:54:01.840
<v Nadeau, Jessica>Back.</v>

03:53:59.990 --> 03:54:02.320
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>You can think about that on your ride home, Jim.</v>

03:54:03.940 --> 03:54:06.630
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK, my wheel turned.</v>

03:54:08.400 --> 03:54:16.840
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK. Well, I wanna thank every thank everyone for attending. Thank everyone for hanging in there till the end. We've just to let you know we've ended with 19 people.</v>

03:54:17.880 --> 03:54:24.820
<v Nadeau, Jessica>No. Yes. Thanks again. And we will, yeah, emailing as soon as possible with that other day.</v>

03:54:23.180 --> 03:54:26.850
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Daily as soon as possible. That other day. Yep. Thank you everybody.</v>

03:54:27.220 --> 03:54:28.890
<v Nadeau, Jessica>OK. See everyone.</v>

03:54:29.110 --> 03:54:29.490
<v Tony Smith (Guest)>Right.</v>