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The several folks who are
gathered in a room right now in

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Sunday River.

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So in the case that you didn't
prepare comments, I think we're

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going to make an exception for
this meeting and in in the case

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that you just have some I
impromptu testimony, we welcome

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that as well.

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During this meeting, we also
typically after a common and

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shared, will welcome any
clarifying questions, but the

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discussion will be saved for our
second meeting, which will be

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held on the 23rd of May.

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So in two weeks.

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Yeah.

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We also have designated time at
the after we get through the

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comment sharing for education
and investment to pick up where

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we left off for the discussion
regarding program goals.

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So you're welcome.

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We encourage you to stick around
after comment sharing to get

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involved in an in a discussion
around goals for the program.

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We have one attendee in house
and and you've got comments to

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share.

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So I right?

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Yeah.

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And I'm gonna bring this today.

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OK, that's good.

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Legislative session dominated a
couple of weeks.

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Yeah, the hustle is shared among
us all.

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Yes, right.

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OK.

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So I never been graced to to to
explore the topic to.

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OK, I'm gonna throw.

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Just throw out some logistic
questions if you're having

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trouble hearing us, we are
assuming we're actually using

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the big mikes, not the little
mic off the.

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So we were assuming everyone has
his hearing us, OK, but if

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you're not, please let us know.

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I'm gonna leave the chat on so
that people can let us know if

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they can't hear us, but
otherwise don't chat and I'm

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going to leave it on in case
somebody wants to, like, put a

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link in or something, but
otherwise don't ask questions or

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anything in the chat because we
won't really be able to because

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we're transcribing this and
everything and we wanna get what

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everybody says.

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We're not really gonna.

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Yeah, I don't wanna say this.

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We're not gonna address things
in chat.

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We're only gonna address things
that I've been verbally

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presented.

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OK, so we laid out the
logistics.

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We'll have the recording
transcription available within

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the next week as usual, and
we'll start with.

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Uh, yeah.

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So maybe if going on that
extemporaneous comment of

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Andy's, if there's anybody who's
willing to share their comment

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as of right now wants to go up
first, you can put a hand up and

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maybe anybody who has a comment
to share actually put a hand up

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that would be helpful in getting
us prepared to make you a

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presenter so that you can share
your comments to everybody.

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So if you got comments to share,
Yep, put a hand up please.

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What's that?

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And she just can't keep track of
if people want questions to the

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person who just spoke versus
once.

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Ohh, right. Yeah.

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So after everyone speaks, will
actually ask the chance to ask

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questions, and then we'll move
on.

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So, OK.

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And so shall we start with
Jessica.

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Yeah.

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Let's start with Jessica.

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OK, let's start with Jessica.

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So let me make you a presenter.

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It contains is the MSR.

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That's this is Jessica.

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Assembly.

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Jessica, can you hear us?

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It looks like you're on mute.

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Hello.

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Hi.

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Hi, it's actually Shelby Wright.

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OK, shall be great. OK.

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I guess so.

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Shall we write for Casella, and
I have comments today for

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municipal reimbursement
stewardship, permission for

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packaging.

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So I'll concerning the approval
process for infrastructure

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investments.

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The approval process should
apply only to novel, innovative

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or emergency infrastructure
investments that advance program

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goals to expand recycling access
and develop new recycling

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markets.

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Municipal and private operator
investments in basic

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infrastructure such as trucks,
bailers, improving MRF

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equipment should not be
encumbered by an approval

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process and should rather be
reimbursed on an ongoing and

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practical, predictable basis
throughout reimbursement.

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Payments on doing investments in
standard, proven and widely used

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recycling infrastructure.

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Examples, trucks, balers,
sorting equipment, etcetera.

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Should not be managed through
the section 11 process.

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These investments are integral
to providing efficient and

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ongoing service and are embedded
in the cost associated with your

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collection, transportation and
processing of packaging

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material.

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Accordingly, these costs should
be reimbursed through the 38 Mrs

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at 214610, requiring an approval
process for these basic

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investments would add complexity
and delays that could be

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operationally disruptive to
mains municipalities.

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And thank you always for the
opportunity to provide comment

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on the ongoing EPR stakeholders
sessions.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Shelby.

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Since we've got, are there any
other individuals in the room

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that have comments to share?

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Oh, right.

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We have got Sydney.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So actually, does anyone have
questions or wanna ask Shelby a

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No.

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follow up?

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Uh, nobody here in the room.

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It looks like nobody else in the
that's not in your room.

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So yeah, I guess we'll hand it
to the next person.

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OK, we go.

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Very much on.

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Hi, how are you doing?

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I guess I'll just jump right in.

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Thanks for the opportunity to
provide comments and thanks for

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setting up this whole setup and
in this room.

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So yeah, with regard to the
process for proposing and

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getting approval for investments
in infrastructure and education,

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just wanted to start with some
context.

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Generally speaking I it's common
practice in existing EPR programs

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around the world.

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Uh, OK, we're good.

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OK.

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Yeah, I think that's better.

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It's common practice for
existing EPR programs around the

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world for the the producer
responsibility organization, the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1242-2
00:07:27.737 --> 00:07:29.582
PRO in this stage will be
the.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1260-0
00:07:29.592 --> 00:07:34.318
So just submit proposed program
budgets annually as part of the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1260-1
00:07:34.318 --> 00:07:35.942
annual report process.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1283-0
00:07:35.952 --> 00:07:39.408
So that's the entire budget, not
just infrastructure and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1283-1
00:07:39.408 --> 00:07:42.682
education, but just all kind of
planned expenditures.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1288-0
00:07:42.892 --> 00:07:43.992
And that would be an annual.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1304-0
00:07:45.942 --> 00:07:48.212
Component of the annual reporter
for free.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1334-0
00:07:48.222 --> 00:07:51.467
Submitted alongside the annual
report so that the the DEP could

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1334-1
00:07:51.467 --> 00:07:54.407
then review both the annual
report and then also proposed

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1334-2
00:07:54.407 --> 00:07:55.472
budget for next year.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1347-0
00:07:55.482 --> 00:07:57.656
So that would be my
recommendation just to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1347-1
00:07:57.656 --> 00:07:59.172
streamline the entire process.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1378-0
00:07:59.302 --> 00:08:05.009
I think any proposed investments
into infrastructure or education

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1378-1
00:08:05.009 --> 00:08:10.456
that must be separately kind of
handled should just be part of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1378-2
00:08:10.456 --> 00:08:12.012
that same process.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1380-0
00:08:12.742 --> 00:08:13.252
Umm.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1400-0
00:08:13.542 --> 00:08:16.928
And then there are always need
to be allowances for unforeseen

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1400-1
00:08:16.928 --> 00:08:19.132
expenditures outside of that, of
course.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1425-0
00:08:19.142 --> 00:08:22.959
I mean a financially stable
organization will plan for some

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1425-1
00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:25.822
unforeseen expenditures like
urgent repairs.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1463-0
00:08:27.302 --> 00:08:30.002
You know, at a facility or
urgent equipment replacement or

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1463-1
00:08:30.002 --> 00:08:32.657
what have you, but those
obviously would then be reported

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1463-2
00:08:32.657 --> 00:08:35.403
on in the next being able to
afford an accounted for in the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1463-3
00:08:35.403 --> 00:08:35.952
next budget.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1472-0
00:08:35.962 --> 00:08:37.672
So just a little context
setting.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1485-0
00:08:38.712 --> 00:08:42.282
I think that with that, you all
know here to talk about reuse.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1525-0
00:08:42.292 --> 00:08:46.234
So with that in mind, I think
part of the part of the law

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1525-1
00:08:46.234 --> 00:08:49.700
actually says that the
department must ensure that

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1525-2
00:08:49.700 --> 00:08:53.914
preference for funding is given
to proposals that support the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1525-3
00:08:53.914 --> 00:08:54.322
state.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1552-0
00:08:54.332 --> 00:08:57.814
Solid waste management hierarchy
we know reuse is higher than

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1552-1
00:08:57.814 --> 00:09:01.408
recycling and that hierarchy and
to promote a circular economy,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1552-2
00:09:01.408 --> 00:09:03.092
recovered packaging materials.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1593-0
00:09:03.892 --> 00:09:09.315
Umm so it it also says that you
know the rules and criteria have

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1593-1
00:09:09.315 --> 00:09:14.488
to have to also be kind of like
the process for for the rules

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1593-2
00:09:14.488 --> 00:09:18.242
has to include criteria for
approving those.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1652-0
00:09:18.352 --> 00:09:21.764
And so as part of this
structure, we propose that

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1652-1
00:09:21.764 --> 00:09:25.585
criteria be laid out in the
rules to require the SO to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1652-2
00:09:25.585 --> 00:09:29.474
demonstrate via that annual
proposal and budget approval

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1652-3
00:09:29.474 --> 00:09:32.545
process that proposed
investments into reuse

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1652-4
00:09:32.545 --> 00:09:36.980
infrastructure are no less than
5% of total proposed investments

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1652-5
00:09:36.980 --> 00:09:37.662
each year.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1699-0
00:09:38.692 --> 00:09:41.976
And that is actually on par with
EPR programs around the world

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1699-1
00:09:41.976 --> 00:09:44.791
and in the US, it's actually
less than it's less than

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1699-2
00:09:44.791 --> 00:09:48.023
producers are gonna have to pay
for reuse in Oregon with more

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1699-3
00:09:48.023 --> 00:09:50.212
control for the producers in
this system.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1744-0
00:09:50.622 --> 00:09:53.718
So it's probably a better deal
if you're the PRO, then you're

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1744-1
00:09:53.718 --> 00:09:57.016
getting in Oregon and we really
need that funding to go to reuse

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1744-2
00:09:57.016 --> 00:10:00.112
infrastructure around the state
and that should be separate.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1774-0
00:10:00.122 --> 00:10:03.308
I want to make clear that 5%
should be separate from funds

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1774-1
00:10:03.308 --> 00:10:06.602
spent on reuse or recycling
education, so reuse education is

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1774-2
00:10:06.602 --> 00:10:07.952
gonna have to be another.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1797-0
00:10:08.042 --> 00:10:11.762
Like expense, but I'm talking
about 5% of the program budget

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1797-1
00:10:11.762 --> 00:10:14.932
specifically for reuse,
infrastructure and systems.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1802-0
00:10:17.032 --> 00:10:17.522
Umm.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1812-0
00:10:17.602 --> 00:10:19.582
I'm not gonna get into too much
detail.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1818-0
00:10:19.592 --> 00:10:20.702
I submitted written comments.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1851-0
00:10:20.712 --> 00:10:23.857
You can see a lot more there,
but I think that the tracking I

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1851-1
00:10:23.857 --> 00:10:26.952
just wanna say a note on you
asked about tracking and how to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1851-2
00:10:26.952 --> 00:10:28.372
kind of measure the success.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1873-0
00:10:29.332 --> 00:10:33.094
It's super important to tie in
any proposed expenses for the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1873-1
00:10:33.094 --> 00:10:36.362
program, including investments
to the program goals.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1941-0
00:10:36.532 --> 00:10:40.164
So whatever you do in the roles,
make sure that the criteria for

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1941-1
00:10:40.164 --> 00:10:43.460
evaluating align with the
overall program targets that are

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1941-2
00:10:43.460 --> 00:10:46.365
also gonna be set by other
rules, because that they

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1941-3
00:10:46.365 --> 00:10:50.052
simplifies the whole process and
 make sure that investments are

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1941-4
00:10:50.052 --> 00:10:53.516
for the purpose of achieving the
program targets and not just

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1941-5
00:10:53.516 --> 00:10:54.242
like for fun.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1958-0
00:10:55.382 --> 00:10:58.872
And so I'm gonna stop there just
to not go on too long.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1983-0
00:10:58.882 --> 00:11:02.533
But I thank you very much and I
don't know we should pass this

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/1983-1
00:11:02.533 --> 00:11:03.982
someone else in the room.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2006-0
00:11:05.032 --> 00:11:08.427
Well, yeah, I first, let's see
if anyone got any follow ups

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2010-0
00:11:08.072 --> 00:11:08.372
OK.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2006-1
00:11:08.427 --> 00:11:09.672
with with Elena does.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2024-0
00:11:11.922 --> 00:11:14.614
That and also, does anyone in
the your room have any

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2024-1
00:11:14.614 --> 00:11:15.172
follow-ups?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2034-0
00:11:18.382 --> 00:11:18.732
Negative.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2030-0
00:11:19.492 --> 00:11:19.782
No.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2036-0
00:11:19.832 --> 00:11:20.722
OK, we'll go with.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2076-0
00:11:21.452 --> 00:11:24.851
I'm just wondering if you can
have any thoughts on amount

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2076-1
00:11:24.851 --> 00:11:28.485
per so you put out an amount per
infrastructure any thoughts

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2076-2
00:11:28.485 --> 00:11:31.532
on amount per education
that's appropriate.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2082-0
00:11:33.282 --> 00:11:33.892
Yeah.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2099-0
00:11:33.902 --> 00:11:38.512
We did also say 5% for education
just to kind of be parallel.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2127-0
00:11:38.562 --> 00:11:42.421
I think that I wanna caveat that
any of this is gonna probably

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2127-1
00:11:42.421 --> 00:11:45.912
need to be adjustable over time
based on actual results.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2143-0
00:11:45.922 --> 00:11:49.731
And that's again why you have an
annual process to kind of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2143-1
00:11:49.731 --> 00:11:50.312
reassess.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2163-0
00:11:50.322 --> 00:11:54.131
And so you can leave room in the
rules for, like maybe you need

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2163-1
00:11:54.131 --> 00:11:55.142
6% for education.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2192-0
00:11:55.152 --> 00:11:58.649
Or maybe it's really not working
and we need 10% for education,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2192-1
00:11:58.649 --> 00:12:01.982
so there's ways to like increase
or decrease that over time.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2219-0
00:12:02.652 --> 00:12:06.476
But I least we just suggest
starting with five percent, 5%

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2219-1
00:12:06.476 --> 00:12:10.494
of the education funding for
reuse and 5% of the of the total

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2219-2
00:12:10.494 --> 00:12:12.892
program expenses for
infrastructure.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2224-0
00:12:16.692 --> 00:12:17.032
Thanks.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2227-0
00:12:18.322 --> 00:12:18.672
Thank you.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2239-0
00:12:20.902 --> 00:12:24.572
Does anyone have any follow-ups
that's in the?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2251-0
00:12:26.682 --> 00:12:29.002
Entered that world not in the
either the rooms.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2253-0
00:12:32.592 --> 00:12:32.732
No.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2259-0
00:12:35.712 --> 00:12:36.322
Andy does.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2266-0
00:12:36.332 --> 00:12:37.382
So we'll go to Andy.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2270-0
00:12:37.452 --> 00:12:38.682
Yep, Yep.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2283-0
00:12:38.792 --> 00:12:40.312
Basically good seeing you.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2292-0
00:12:40.622 --> 00:12:42.172
Long time no see.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2294-0
00:12:42.222 --> 00:12:43.832
But just a question for you.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2305-0
00:12:43.842 --> 00:12:45.612
But the 5% are you suggesting
that?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2329-0
00:12:45.622 --> 00:12:50.407
Go into the regulatory statute
or would that be more of an

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2329-1
00:12:50.407 --> 00:12:53.732
operating approval process for
the plan?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2338-0
00:12:56.402 --> 00:12:57.572
I think I've heard you.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2345-0
00:12:57.582 --> 00:12:58.952
That was a little in and out.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2371-0
00:12:58.962 --> 00:13:03.588
Sorry, but I think I think what
you're asking is how should that

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2371-1
00:13:03.588 --> 00:13:06.292
5% kind of be allocated
structurally?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2383-0
00:13:06.092 --> 00:13:06.382
No.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2395-0
00:13:06.302 --> 00:13:08.092
And I guess no, no, you're not
OK.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2391-0
00:13:07.822 --> 00:13:09.812
No, no, just asking.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2428-0
00:13:09.822 --> 00:13:13.111
Do you want that in the
regulatory statute to five

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2428-1
00:13:13.111 --> 00:13:16.142
percent, 5% spelled out in
regulatory statute?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2429-0
00:13:13.802 --> 00:13:17.712
Yes, I would like, yes, good
question.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2445-0
00:13:17.722 --> 00:13:21.452
I would like it to say a not
less than 5% in statute.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2460-0
00:13:21.572 --> 00:13:25.002
I do not suggest a cap because
we don't know and we need to be

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2460-1
00:13:25.002 --> 00:13:25.492
flexible.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2481-0
00:13:25.502 --> 00:13:29.274
I do suggest a minimum which is
in line with most of the other

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2481-1
00:13:29.274 --> 00:13:30.232
programs I know.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2496-0
00:13:30.242 --> 00:13:33.805
Oregonss is capped at 10%, but
most of them are just kind of a

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2496-1
00:13:33.805 --> 00:13:34.272
minimum.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2518-0
00:13:34.282 --> 00:13:38.199
France's is a minimum of 5% just
of the program funds that just

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2518-1
00:13:38.199 --> 00:13:39.442
have to go to reuse.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2550-0
00:13:39.452 --> 00:13:42.992
But then I suggest immense
flexibility in terms of how the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2550-1
00:13:42.992 --> 00:13:46.772
so is the kinds of things that
the so is able to do with those

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2550-2
00:13:46.772 --> 00:13:47.132
funds.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2559-0
00:13:47.142 --> 00:13:48.502
You could distribute them as
grants.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2585-0
00:13:48.832 --> 00:13:51.511
The local entities you could
distribute distribute them as

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2585-1
00:13:51.511 --> 00:13:54.190
long as you could just make
direct investments for covered

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2585-2
00:13:54.190 --> 00:13:56.142
packaging for, you know, Member
producers.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2615-0
00:13:56.612 --> 00:14:00.358
So I don't think that it should
be prescriptive, but I do think

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2615-1
00:14:00.358 --> 00:14:03.753
it should this that the reg
should say a minimum of 5% of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2615-2
00:14:03.753 --> 00:14:04.572
program funds.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2638-0
00:14:17.882 --> 00:14:19.532
Everything OK?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2630-0
00:14:18.142 --> 00:14:18.952
Thanks. The thing.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2632-0
00:14:19.022 --> 00:14:19.372
Yep.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2635-0
00:14:19.382 --> 00:14:19.932
Thank you.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2637-0
00:14:19.942 --> 00:14:20.322
We're all.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2644-0
00:14:29.052 --> 00:14:30.062
Good afternoon, everybody.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2651-0
00:14:30.072 --> 00:14:31.322
This is Sarah Nichols.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2664-0
00:14:31.332 --> 00:14:33.643
I'm a Sustainable Maine worker
for the Natural Resources

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2664-1
00:14:33.643 --> 00:14:34.262
Council of Maine.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2674-0
00:14:34.272 --> 00:14:35.272
I don't know why, so you can.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2677-0
00:14:36.702 --> 00:14:37.132
Speak up.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2695-0
00:14:38.092 --> 00:14:38.722
Can you speak up?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2690-0
00:14:38.102 --> 00:14:39.512
I can see my hand here in the
room.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2700-0
00:14:39.522 --> 00:14:41.012
Speak up like, OK.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2698-0
00:14:40.832 --> 00:14:41.342
Thank you.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2708-0
00:14:41.352 --> 00:14:41.812
That's better.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2703-0
00:14:41.742 --> 00:14:42.082
Great.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2709-0
00:14:42.652 --> 00:14:44.742
Umm, so thank you for.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2773-0
00:14:46.372 --> 00:14:51.104
Hosting this stakeholder process
and I will submit more detailed

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2773-1
00:14:51.104 --> 00:14:55.326
written comments and after this
meeting I just have a few

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2773-2
00:14:55.326 --> 00:14:59.912
thoughts to share right now and
to be quite frank, I wanted to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2773-3
00:14:59.912 --> 00:15:04.499
listen to all of the ideas that
everybody else had and kind of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2773-4
00:15:04.499 --> 00:15:09.012
incorporate everybody else's
ideas and into our comments too.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2782-0
00:15:09.022 --> 00:15:10.752
If we think they're good ideas,
of course.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2817-0
00:15:11.262 --> 00:15:14.638
But I guess part of the reason
I've taken that approach is

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2817-1
00:15:14.638 --> 00:15:17.842
because I feel like it's a
little bit difficult to talk

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2817-2
00:15:17.842 --> 00:15:21.390
about our recommendations for
how exactly we should invest in

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2817-3
00:15:21.390 --> 00:15:21.962
education.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2846-0
00:15:21.972 --> 00:15:25.398
And infrastructure without
having the needs assessment done

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2846-1
00:15:25.398 --> 00:15:28.937
and without having more clarity
on what the program goals are

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2846-2
00:15:28.937 --> 00:15:29.622
going to be.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2871-0
00:15:29.852 --> 00:15:34.307
Because I think that the needs
assessment is is part of that is

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2871-1
00:15:34.307 --> 00:15:38.762
to identify where we should be
making investments in our state.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2898-0
00:15:38.772 --> 00:15:42.946
So I think maybe some sort of
nod to that in the rules would

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2898-1
00:15:42.946 --> 00:15:47.052
be appropriate and same with the
program goals and targets.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2906-0
00:15:47.062 --> 00:15:48.602
And I know we'll talk about that
more later.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2925-0
00:15:48.612 --> 00:15:52.035
And I had to leave the meeting
last time when we were talking

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2925-1
00:15:52.035 --> 00:15:52.642
about this.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2945-0
00:15:54.302 --> 00:15:58.325
But as Sidney alluded to, like
we all of the funding and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2945-1
00:15:58.325 --> 00:16:02.349
education should be aimed at
achieving those targets and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2945-2
00:16:02.349 --> 00:16:02.772
goals.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2973-0
00:16:02.782 --> 00:16:05.795
So I know we have a general idea
that we want, you know, less

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2973-1
00:16:05.795 --> 00:16:08.662
waste and less disposal and more
recycling and more reuse.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2987-0
00:16:08.672 --> 00:16:13.355
But it's more like evaluating
where we are and reaching that

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/2987-1
00:16:13.355 --> 00:16:13.892
target.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3022-0
00:16:14.302 --> 00:16:17.549
What we need to to get to that
goal and then structuring all of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3022-1
00:16:17.549 --> 00:16:20.440
those investments around
reaching those goals I think is

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3022-2
00:16:20.440 --> 00:16:23.534
appropriate and it's hard to
talk about without having those

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3022-3
00:16:23.534 --> 00:16:24.092
determined.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3050-0
00:16:24.532 --> 00:16:28.932
Umm and I just have a few other
ideas here, so I I one of the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3050-1
00:16:28.932 --> 00:16:32.267
things that I think it should
focus on is more

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3050-2
00:16:32.267 --> 00:16:33.402
regionalization.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3076-0
00:16:33.592 --> 00:16:37.888
So where towns and cities can
work together and help

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3076-1
00:16:37.888 --> 00:16:42.590
facilitate the sharing of
resources too, I think would be

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3076-2
00:16:42.590 --> 00:16:44.292
appropriate for this.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3079-0
00:16:44.702 --> 00:16:48.242
And let's see.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3131-0
00:16:48.252 --> 00:16:52.309
So reimbursement for towns who
do their own education as well

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3131-1
00:16:52.309 --> 00:16:56.366
as education expenses that the
stewardship organization would

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3131-2
00:16:56.366 --> 00:17:00.357
provide, I believe the latest
from the recycling partnership

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3131-3
00:17:00.357 --> 00:17:04.218
is a best practice is $10 per
household given to towns for

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3131-4
00:17:04.218 --> 00:17:04.872
education.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3183-0
00:17:06.172 --> 00:17:09.051
So maybe a separate
reimbursement payment for towns

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3183-1
00:17:09.051 --> 00:17:12.649
to match that in addition to the
the education being done by the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3183-2
00:17:12.649 --> 00:17:16.248
stewardship organization for the
whole state, umm, we definitely

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3183-3
00:17:16.248 --> 00:17:19.569
agree with Sydney that the there
should be requirements for

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3183-4
00:17:19.569 --> 00:17:21.562
investment in reuse
infrastructure.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3201-0
00:17:23.222 --> 00:17:27.547
I would agree that the minimum
amount is which should be

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3201-1
00:17:27.547 --> 00:17:30.962
required with a lot of wiggle
room for that.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3296-0
00:17:34.762 --> 00:17:38.832
It's and then as far as process
goes, we agree also with Sydney

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3296-1
00:17:38.832 --> 00:17:42.774
that this should be part of an
annual process and you know it

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3296-2
00:17:42.774 --> 00:17:46.652
really and eager to utilize this
stewardship organization as

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3296-3
00:17:46.652 --> 00:17:50.658
somebody's finally gonna have a
more Birds Eye view connecting

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3296-4
00:17:50.658 --> 00:17:54.664
all the all the players in the
system in the producers, and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3296-5
00:17:54.664 --> 00:17:58.861
municipalities and recyclers
umm and have them identify words

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3296-6
00:17:58.861 --> 00:18:02.612
as investments are needed to
address the program goals and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3296-7
00:18:02.612 --> 00:18:05.982
targets because they're gonna
have that unique view.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3366-0
00:18:08.472 --> 00:18:12.472
And the in addition to that,
they've been talking about

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3366-1
00:18:12.472 --> 00:18:16.685
having approved grants that
disparities could apply for if

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3366-2
00:18:16.685 --> 00:18:20.828
they need certain piece of
capital equipment or something

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3366-3
00:18:20.828 --> 00:18:24.899
to, you know, improve your
program or even get a program

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3366-4
00:18:24.899 --> 00:18:28.970
going in their town cause you
know, and that should be a

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3366-5
00:18:28.970 --> 00:18:30.612
separate full of money.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3371-0
00:18:30.672 --> 00:18:32.512
And I don't think that we
should.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3395-0
00:18:32.522 --> 00:18:35.278
I saw on some of the questions,
I don't think it should be an

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3395-1
00:18:35.278 --> 00:18:37.012
artificial cap on necessarily on
that.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3426-0
00:18:37.022 --> 00:18:39.591
I'm a big fan of not pulling
numbers out of thin air, but

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3426-1
00:18:39.591 --> 00:18:42.293
maybe there could be a certain
budget for that type of thing

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3426-2
00:18:42.293 --> 00:18:43.932
and it could go through it
existing.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3431-0
00:18:43.942 --> 00:18:46.032
Kind of grant process.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3436-0
00:18:47.552 --> 00:18:49.102
Umm yeah.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3460-0
00:18:49.112 --> 00:18:51.603
And I think that might be all
that I have for today, but I'll

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3460-1
00:18:51.603 --> 00:18:53.852
write up much more detailed
comments after the meeting.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3462-0
00:18:53.862 --> 00:18:54.162
Thank you.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3465-0
00:18:58.562 --> 00:18:59.172
OK.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3471-0
00:18:59.232 --> 00:18:59.812
Thank you.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3475-0
00:18:59.912 --> 00:19:00.452
Anyone have any?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3479-0
00:19:02.222 --> 00:19:03.442
I have a couple.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3481-0
00:19:03.452 --> 00:19:03.682
Yeah.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3485-0
00:19:03.692 --> 00:19:04.072
OK.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3504-0
00:19:04.122 --> 00:19:11.232
So grants to municipalities, are
you suggesting you think that's

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3504-1
00:19:11.232 --> 00:19:16.622
sort of a a priority or a
certain amount that?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3523-0
00:19:19.482 --> 00:19:24.437
Is you're suggesting a certain
amount each year, is that

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3523-1
00:19:24.437 --> 00:19:25.132
correct?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3525-0
00:19:26.572 --> 00:19:27.432
Wait, I guess I'm.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3529-0
00:19:27.492 --> 00:19:27.782
I'm.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3531-0
00:19:27.792 --> 00:19:28.352
I'm not sure.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3540-0
00:19:28.412 --> 00:19:31.342
I'm not completely about the
suite of options available.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3543-0
00:19:31.352 --> 00:19:31.982
Like what?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3589-0
00:19:32.232 --> 00:19:36.229
Different ways we could approach
that, but umm, you know, I know

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3589-1
00:19:36.229 --> 00:19:40.042
the DEP experience with the the
grant program that you do now

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3589-2
00:19:40.042 --> 00:19:44.100
that that would supply the types
of things that this same program

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3589-3
00:19:44.100 --> 00:19:45.822
would I would be able to do.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3637-0
00:19:45.832 --> 00:19:48.722
So you could learn from that
experience and see if that makes

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3637-1
00:19:48.722 --> 00:19:51.426
sense, because I know the
department wanted to be able to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3637-2
00:19:51.426 --> 00:19:54.130
approve some of those expenses,
so maybe there would be a

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3637-3
00:19:54.130 --> 00:19:56.881
certain amount of money that
could be incorporated for the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3637-4
00:19:56.881 --> 00:19:58.512
department approval separate
from.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3658-0
00:19:59.662 --> 00:20:04.300
You know, I I was stewardship's
stewardship organizations

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3658-1
00:20:04.300 --> 00:20:07.962
identified need, you know,
across the state.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3667-0
00:20:08.842 --> 00:20:09.812
So I guess I'm I'm.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3699-0
00:20:09.992 --> 00:20:13.006
I'm open to that, but I just
wanna make sure that that gets

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3699-1
00:20:13.006 --> 00:20:16.171
in there for municipalities who
identify something that needed

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3699-2
00:20:16.171 --> 00:20:18.632
the stewardship organization
wouldn't have. Umm.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3769-0
00:20:22.732 --> 00:20:26.558
And then on and then on
education, $10 per household,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3769-1
00:20:26.558 --> 00:20:30.738
are you thinking of that as an
appropriate set aside to be

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3769-2
00:20:30.738 --> 00:20:34.919
spent on education or given
directly to municipalities and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3769-3
00:20:34.919 --> 00:20:38.957
if given directly to the
municipalities, Umm, is are you

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3769-4
00:20:38.957 --> 00:20:42.925
imagining a mechanism of
ensuring that they actually do

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3769-5
00:20:42.925 --> 00:20:45.192
spend it on recycling education?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3795-0
00:20:47.662 --> 00:20:50.104
Yeah, I think some
accountability to make sure

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3795-1
00:20:50.104 --> 00:20:53.376
maybe there should be a certain
I think they should have to do

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3795-2
00:20:53.376 --> 00:20:53.532
it.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3834-0
00:20:53.542 --> 00:20:56.865
Maybe you know not a blanket
check given to them for that

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3834-1
00:20:56.865 --> 00:21:00.074
purpose, but I just want to
bring up that that was a an

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3834-2
00:21:00.074 --> 00:21:03.741
industry, uh, standard that they
came up with is an appropriate

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3834-3
00:21:03.741 --> 00:21:04.142
amount.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3841-0
00:21:06.242 --> 00:21:07.032
The best of my knowledge.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3845-0
00:21:08.612 --> 00:21:08.952
Umm.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3876-0
00:21:10.222 --> 00:21:14.377
And I do think that
municipalities do spend a lot

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3876-1
00:21:14.377 --> 00:21:19.778
of, you know, money and time and
educating their their residents

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3876-2
00:21:19.778 --> 00:21:23.102
on how to utilize the recycling
system.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3913-0
00:21:24.172 --> 00:21:27.406
And municipalities will have to
collect all of the readily

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3913-1
00:21:27.406 --> 00:21:30.805
recyclable materials that they
there might be other materials

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3913-2
00:21:30.805 --> 00:21:34.094
that the community takes in to
that are also fall under the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3913-3
00:21:34.094 --> 00:21:36.122
program under the packaging
program.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3927-0
00:21:36.532 --> 00:21:40.562
So they might have some unique
education needs that not every

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3927-1
00:21:40.562 --> 00:21:41.732
community has, so.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3934-0
00:21:44.442 --> 00:21:45.642
As I make sure that's a
reimbursable cost.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3937-0
00:21:52.562 --> 00:21:53.082
Thanks.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3949-0
00:22:00.912 --> 00:22:03.622
Andy do you have anthing in the room?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3953-0
00:22:03.792 --> 00:22:04.382
No, you're good.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3962-0
00:22:05.672 --> 00:22:06.602
One question on that.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3987-0
00:22:06.612 --> 00:22:12.327
So if you've done the math on
$10 per household, that works

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3987-1
00:22:12.327 --> 00:22:16.042
out to five million, $695,000
roughly.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/3993-0
00:22:17.182 --> 00:22:19.132
Uh for education.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4027-0
00:22:19.142 --> 00:22:22.818
If we were to use the US Census
for Maine based households to you

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4027-1
00:22:22.818 --> 00:22:26.552
know, I'd heard $20 million for
the entire cost of the program.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4033-0
00:22:27.732 --> 00:22:29.202
Is that really what we're
talking about?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4040-0
00:22:29.212 --> 00:22:31.372
Is is that much for for
education?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4056-0
00:22:34.852 --> 00:22:39.762
Well, I guess if that's what the
numbers are, but I don't.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4072-0
00:22:41.122 --> 00:22:44.542
I was just more providing that I
the recycling partnership.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4081-0
00:22:44.552 --> 00:22:46.712
I'd come up with that specific
dollar amount.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4114-0
00:22:46.722 --> 00:22:50.224
I just want to make the
department aware of that figure,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4114-1
00:22:50.224 --> 00:22:53.787
but I think that whatever is
appropriate and necessary to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4114-2
00:22:53.787 --> 00:22:57.535
achieve the program targets and
goals would be supportive of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4114-3
00:22:57.535 --> 00:22:57.842
that.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4140-0
00:23:06.192 --> 00:23:11.046
So there if anyone got any the I
clarifying questions from the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4140-1
00:23:11.046 --> 00:23:13.742
Internet world, hold up your
hand.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4150-0
00:23:20.802 --> 00:23:23.482
OK, I'm gonna interrupt you.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4157-0
00:23:23.492 --> 00:23:25.652
I think Sarah.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4159-0
00:23:26.382 --> 00:23:26.712
Yeah.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4162-0
00:23:26.722 --> 00:23:27.412
No, no.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4217-0
00:23:27.982 --> 00:23:32.581
So, Andy Hackman on
behalf of AMERIPEN and in terms

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4217-1
00:23:32.581 --> 00:23:36.735
of of where we start with
infrastructure investment and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4178-0
00:23:32.992 --> 00:23:33.222
Nope.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4217-2
00:23:36.735 --> 00:23:41.557
agree with Sarah that would need
this assessment needs to be the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4217-3
00:23:41.557 --> 00:23:44.672
basis of of how we start to look
at this.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4261-0
00:23:45.202 --> 00:23:48.257
I noticed in the questions this
is the first time and I think

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4261-1
00:23:48.257 --> 00:23:51.410
the only time it really talking
about stewardship organization

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4261-2
00:23:51.410 --> 00:23:54.366
and kind of how they're going to
interact with the public and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4261-3
00:23:54.366 --> 00:23:57.272
interact with producer, they know
it's different questions.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4292-0
00:23:58.162 --> 00:24:01.260
So I think it's important to try
to start thinking through and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4292-1
00:24:01.260 --> 00:24:04.062
maybe I've missed it with future
meetings about one bit.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4323-0
00:24:04.072 --> 00:24:06.843
If we're going to talk about how
the stewardship organization is

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4323-1
00:24:06.843 --> 00:24:09.528
selected, but and this is going
to sound kind of rambling, but

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4323-2
00:24:09.528 --> 00:24:10.892
try to bring it back to a point.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4354-0
00:24:11.222 --> 00:24:14.978
But you know the stewardship
organization with the PRO in

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4354-1
00:24:14.978 --> 00:24:19.122
Colorado is just selected last
week and you guys probably know.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4384-0
00:24:20.022 --> 00:24:22.970
And so in terms of like the
outreach and education that's

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4384-1
00:24:22.970 --> 00:24:26.172
referred to in the background
documents, I think a lot of that

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4384-2
00:24:26.172 --> 00:24:28.052
will kind of depend on who's
picked.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4393-0
00:24:28.062 --> 00:24:29.472
And so it might be helpful.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4455-0
00:24:29.922 --> 00:24:33.761
But eventually, if we have a
dialogue to understand some of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4455-1
00:24:33.761 --> 00:24:37.601
the criteria with which the
department's gonna think about,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4455-2
00:24:37.601 --> 00:24:41.696
you know, stewardship organization
similar to Colorado's or or that

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4455-3
00:24:41.696 --> 00:24:45.727
would be be helpful eventually have dialogue
understand because producers are

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4455-4
00:24:45.727 --> 00:24:49.630
obviously very involved in the
stewardship organization

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4455-5
00:24:49.630 --> 00:24:50.782
and and we'll see.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4512-0
00:24:50.832 --> 00:24:55.367
See if that's signed here or
not, but I think what's critical

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4512-1
00:24:55.367 --> 00:25:00.048
here and it kind of in terms of
of infrastructure investment is

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4512-2
00:25:00.048 --> 00:25:04.510
a question as much as it is a
comment on Shelby's point with

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4512-3
00:25:04.510 --> 00:25:08.386
how much investment in
infrastructure is going to be

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4512-4
00:25:08.386 --> 00:25:11.312
done through the reimbursement
formula.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4543-0
00:25:11.512 --> 00:25:14.049
And I don't want to go back and
revisit the the formula cause

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4543-1
00:25:14.049 --> 00:25:16.626
I've blotted that session out of
my brain because I'm it's not a

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4543-2
00:25:16.626 --> 00:25:17.062
math major.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4589-0
00:25:17.742 --> 00:25:22.487
Umm, but how much activity and
new investment will be funded

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4589-1
00:25:22.487 --> 00:25:26.922
through the reimbursement
calculations versus investment

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4589-2
00:25:26.922 --> 00:25:31.900
in wholy new infrastructure that
the that the SO is going to be

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4589-3
00:25:31.900 --> 00:25:36.568
local to do and there's no clear
threshold for that kind of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4589-4
00:25:36.568 --> 00:25:37.112
statue?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4592-0
00:25:37.792 --> 00:25:38.132
Umm.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4630-0
00:25:38.372 --> 00:25:42.246
And so I think it probably
should be driven out of the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4630-1
00:25:42.246 --> 00:25:46.402
needs assessment, but obviously
there's less discretion to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4630-2
00:25:46.402 --> 00:25:50.699
stewardship organization to
necessarily propose this is this

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4630-3
00:25:50.699 --> 00:25:52.882
is the balance between the two.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4683-0
00:25:52.892 --> 00:25:56.981
So I think it's it's important
that we don't lose sight of the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4683-1
00:25:56.981 --> 00:26:01.070
fact that it sounds like we are
going to be doing some funding

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4683-2
00:26:01.070 --> 00:26:05.093
of new infrastructure through
reimbursements and look for the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4683-3
00:26:05.093 --> 00:26:09.052
the infrastructure plan to do
both double count was dollars.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4742-0
00:26:09.102 --> 00:26:12.723
I think that's that's kind of a
a critical piece that we

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4742-1
00:26:12.723 --> 00:26:16.090
understand what's being done
because in other states

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4742-2
00:26:16.090 --> 00:26:20.092
obviously the the SO would have
more direct knowledge of that

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4742-3
00:26:20.092 --> 00:26:24.031
infrastructure investment and
yeah, we will probably get some

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4742-4
00:26:24.031 --> 00:26:27.842
data flows back about you know
what's being reimbursed for.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4747-0
00:26:28.092 --> 00:26:29.862
But it's not a contract.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4766-0
00:26:29.872 --> 00:26:32.865
It's not a not a direct
relationship with the purchasing

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4766-1
00:26:32.865 --> 00:26:34.702
of that infrastructure
investment.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4783-0
00:26:34.712 --> 00:26:37.891
So I just offer that as
something that's gonna have to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4783-1
00:26:37.891 --> 00:26:39.452
be balanced moving forward.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4809-0
00:26:40.112 --> 00:26:44.493
Hopefully the needs assessment
will kind of help provide a good

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4809-1
00:26:44.493 --> 00:26:48.532
baseline for for existing
infrastructure and gaps where we

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4809-2
00:26:48.532 --> 00:26:49.422
can identify.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4815-0
00:26:49.432 --> 00:26:49.722
OK.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4857-0
00:26:49.732 --> 00:26:54.157
That's gonna cost $5 million or
that's gonna cost, you know, X

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4857-1
00:26:54.157 --> 00:26:58.652
amount of funding to try to get
that material into circularity,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4857-2
00:26:58.652 --> 00:27:03.147
whether that be reuse, whether
that be recycling, etcetera into

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4857-3
00:27:03.147 --> 00:27:04.622
a more circular path.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4874-0
00:27:05.442 --> 00:27:07.984
But nobody's done needs
assessment yet, so we're still

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4874-1
00:27:07.984 --> 00:27:09.462
still figuring that portion out.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4939-0
00:27:09.982 --> 00:27:14.105
And then in terms of specificity
around putting numbers in

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4939-1
00:27:14.105 --> 00:27:18.297
regulatory statute, AMERIPEN is
there's a post that, as you

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4939-2
00:27:18.297 --> 00:27:22.140
might expect, because
everybody's gonna look for their

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4939-3
00:27:22.140 --> 00:27:25.913
5% or their 10%, they'd be
composable infrastructure,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4939-4
00:27:25.913 --> 00:27:29.407
whether it be reuse
infrastructure, whether it be

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/4939-5
00:27:29.407 --> 00:27:31.922
metals, reclamation
infrastructure.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5017-0
00:27:31.932 --> 00:27:35.827
If we start putting numbers and
regulatory statutes or

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5017-1
00:27:35.827 --> 00:27:40.288
regulatory code, that's gonna
suddenly account for things like

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5017-2
00:27:40.288 --> 00:27:44.395
I just talked about with
education, where you've suddenly

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5017-3
00:27:44.395 --> 00:27:48.431
committed $5 million or $10
million when you know it was

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5017-4
00:27:48.431 --> 00:27:52.893
stated to the legislation, this
is going to cost, you know, 20

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5017-5
00:27:52.893 --> 00:27:57.212
or $25 million in terms of the
funding the program in Maine.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5038-0
00:27:57.222 --> 00:28:01.550
So I think it's really important
that we allow the needs

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5038-1
00:28:01.550 --> 00:28:04.132
assessment and the data to
drive.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5096-0
00:28:04.442 --> 00:28:08.219
However, the investment in
infrastructure is going to occur

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5096-1
00:28:08.219 --> 00:28:12.122
because otherwise we're going to
lock ourselves into formulas

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5096-2
00:28:12.122 --> 00:28:16.151
like that where if there's gonna
be, quite frankly, potentially

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5096-3
00:28:16.151 --> 00:28:19.739
less money to to try to fund
reimbursements, you know it

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5096-4
00:28:19.739 --> 00:28:23.453
becomes a balance between these
two accounts, which is the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5096-5
00:28:23.453 --> 00:28:24.082
challenge.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5107-0
00:28:24.152 --> 00:28:26.682
And the way it's statutes made
up by understand that.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5114-0
00:28:26.692 --> 00:28:30.062
But now, yeah, that's what I
asked to me.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5124-0
00:28:30.372 --> 00:28:32.202
Extemporaneous tried to
bring it back.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5127-0
00:28:35.222 --> 00:28:35.912
OK. Thank.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5136-0
00:28:39.082 --> 00:28:41.662
Umm, so you you mentioned the.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5198-0
00:28:46.452 --> 00:28:50.966
The stewardship organization and
that the producers have sort of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5198-1
00:28:50.966 --> 00:28:55.064
their ways of interacting with the
stewardship organization in

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5198-2
00:28:55.064 --> 00:28:59.370
Colorado are there, you know,
weird to go about this in a way

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5198-3
00:28:59.370 --> 00:29:03.954
that is, you know, we don't know
who the stewardship organization

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5198-4
00:29:03.954 --> 00:29:04.162
is.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5209-0
00:29:04.172 --> 00:29:07.602
We don't even know who will, you
know, even come forward.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5216-0
00:29:10.692 --> 00:29:11.562
What is?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5256-0
00:29:11.572 --> 00:29:16.116
Are there things that we
wouldn't want to sort of protect

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5256-1
00:29:16.116 --> 00:29:20.582
or ensure that would put, you
know, in terms of producer

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5256-2
00:29:20.582 --> 00:29:24.812
interaction and input that we
would put in in rule?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5296-0
00:29:24.822 --> 00:29:28.666
And yeah, and it could be
relevant for maybe the rule

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5296-1
00:29:28.666 --> 00:29:32.789
language to to say that the
stewardship organization needs

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5296-2
00:29:32.789 --> 00:29:36.842
to interact with Maine based
producers and Maine based.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5310-0
00:29:37.052 --> 00:29:39.760
Yeah, producers, probably the
the the correct term in

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5310-1
00:29:39.760 --> 00:29:40.412
stakeholders.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5315-0
00:29:41.062 --> 00:29:42.412
Uh, yeah.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5380-0
00:29:42.482 --> 00:29:46.618
You know, if the stewardship
organization that is selected

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5380-1
00:29:46.618 --> 00:29:50.755
has a board that's made up of
people that would qualify as

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5380-2
00:29:50.755 --> 00:29:54.961
producers and that probably
lessens your, your your need to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5380-3
00:29:54.961 --> 00:29:59.448
create an extensive part for
producer consultation other than

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5380-4
00:29:59.448 --> 00:30:02.462
perhaps remain based Maine based
producers.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5394-0
00:30:03.142 --> 00:30:07.431
I don't on that comment, so I
think it it does streamline the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5394-1
00:30:07.431 --> 00:30:08.192
process if.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5406-0
00:30:09.442 --> 00:30:12.452
Producers are involved in this
tuition organization.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5424-0
00:30:24.092 --> 00:30:27.272
And that consultation, sorry, I
don't wanna push you too much.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5436-0
00:30:27.282 --> 00:30:29.722
I know this is like not all
hashed out.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5456-0
00:30:29.732 --> 00:30:31.637
Have a brain to be pushed if I
can try to come up with an

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5456-1
00:30:31.637 --> 00:30:32.162
answer, I would.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5463-0
00:30:33.632 --> 00:30:35.932
So that consultation you're
imagining.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5521-0
00:30:35.942 --> 00:30:41.080
So so if we think about what
sorts of investments and do you

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5521-1
00:30:41.080 --> 00:30:46.385
think the the producers concern,
I've I'm sure they're varied,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5521-2
00:30:46.385 --> 00:30:51.523
but do you think the concerns
are that money be spent wisely

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5521-3
00:30:51.523 --> 00:30:56.744
versus and that money be spent
in ways that are going to help

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5521-4
00:30:56.744 --> 00:30:59.692
them achieve some long term
goals?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5526-0
00:31:00.842 --> 00:31:01.422
Umm.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5532-0
00:31:03.152 --> 00:31:05.042
You mean you think they're
competing?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5545-0
00:31:05.112 --> 00:31:08.062
Is that did I or sorry, I mean
is there one?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5551-0
00:31:08.072 --> 00:31:09.202
Is there one or the other?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5556-0
00:31:09.212 --> 00:31:09.942
Is it both?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5565-0
00:31:10.022 --> 00:31:12.042
Is it you know, what do you do?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5573-0
00:31:12.052 --> 00:31:15.732
You have a sense of the the.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5611-0
00:31:17.862 --> 00:31:21.947
Main concerns in terms of of the
spending of this money is it is

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5611-1
00:31:21.947 --> 00:31:25.718
a A we want to be able to use
this money to accomplish some

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5611-2
00:31:25.718 --> 00:31:26.912
goals that we have.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5626-0
00:31:26.922 --> 00:31:32.572
Is it we want to be sure that
this money is used wisely.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5633-0
00:31:32.582 --> 00:31:33.472
I mean, I'm sure that's it.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5720-0
00:31:34.332 --> 00:31:37.357
Yeah, but in terms of the, I
think the municipal

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5720-1
00:31:37.357 --> 00:31:41.246
reimbursements because there's less
direct interaction or less

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5720-2
00:31:41.246 --> 00:31:45.258
control over that, that portion
of the funding for that money is

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5720-3
00:31:45.258 --> 00:31:48.653
spent wisely for infrastructure,
direct infrastructure

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5720-4
00:31:48.653 --> 00:31:51.308
investments through the
investment for the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5720-5
00:31:51.308 --> 00:31:54.888
infrastructure investment
portion of the law because that

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5720-6
00:31:54.888 --> 00:31:58.160
that it feels like a separate
account that has to be

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5720-7
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:02.172
maintained within the SO given
the statutory language for that.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5748-0
00:32:02.392 --> 00:32:06.771
The I think those would be the
greatest opportunities, quite

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5748-1
00:32:06.771 --> 00:32:11.006
frankly, to move materials that
are not readily recyclable

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5748-2
00:32:11.006 --> 00:32:12.872
towards readily recyclable.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5767-0
00:32:12.882 --> 00:32:16.115
If you think about it like how
OR is thinking about it,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5767-1
00:32:16.115 --> 00:32:16.992
they're in this.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5806-0
00:32:17.502 --> 00:32:23.262
Uh less cost burden for funding
existing system in in Oregon and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5806-1
00:32:23.262 --> 00:32:28.844
there's greater cost burden for
funding bringing new materials

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5806-2
00:32:28.844 --> 00:32:30.262
into the system.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5819-0
00:32:30.732 --> 00:32:33.312
And they manage the recycling or
reuse.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5840-0
00:32:33.422 --> 00:32:36.681
So I think a flexible, flexible
and I'm thinking about it in

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5840-1
00:32:36.681 --> 00:32:37.162
that way.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5862-0
00:32:39.312 --> 00:32:43.217
But I I think the investment
account is it has the greatest

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5862-1
00:32:43.217 --> 00:32:46.992
potential in changing the system
or improving the system.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5869-0
00:32:48.412 --> 00:32:49.182
So I don't want.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5921-0
00:32:49.232 --> 00:32:53.173
I'm not suggesting that it
should be short changed in light

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5921-1
00:32:53.173 --> 00:32:57.377
of reimbursement, but there is
tension between the two accounts

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5921-2
00:32:57.377 --> 00:33:00.923
because of, you know,
improvements that are necessary

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5921-3
00:33:00.923 --> 00:33:04.733
to the system but not fully
understood necessarily by the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5921-4
00:33:04.733 --> 00:33:08.542
stewardship organization and
driving towards those goals.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5952-0
00:33:08.552 --> 00:33:13.563
So I get your question and I
think there is the greatest

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5952-1
00:33:13.563 --> 00:33:18.663
amount of ability for change
goal achievement through the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/5952-2
00:33:18.663 --> 00:33:21.212
investment account right now.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6025-0
00:33:22.202 --> 00:33:25.882
Uh, because that's that's
potentially where there's the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6025-1
00:33:25.882 --> 00:33:29.955
greatest amount of funding that
might be available for things

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6025-2
00:33:29.955 --> 00:33:33.306
like reuse for, to take
flexibles into a different

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6025-3
00:33:33.306 --> 00:33:37.446
stream or to so the glass is not
in the bottle bill, segregate

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6025-4
00:33:37.446 --> 00:33:40.994
glass in a way that reduces
contamination, feels like

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6025-5
00:33:40.994 --> 00:33:44.542
there's the greatest amount of
of of potential there.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6031-0
00:33:44.552 --> 00:33:46.622
But you know, that's just my honest opinion.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6046-0
00:33:51.242 --> 00:33:56.122
OK, anyone have any questions
for Andy from the room?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6048-0
00:33:56.552 --> 00:33:56.992
The other room?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6054-0
00:33:59.322 --> 00:34:00.202
The Sunday River room.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6075-0
00:34:03.242 --> 00:34:05.152
Looks like now, how about from
the?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6079-0
00:34:03.622 --> 00:34:06.222
Doesn't look, it doesn't look
like any at this time.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6086-0
00:34:07.632 --> 00:34:09.152
What's that one at this time?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6099-0
00:34:09.162 --> 00:34:13.118
And at this time, OK, how about
for Andy from the rest of the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6099-1
00:34:13.118 --> 00:34:13.692
Internet?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6107-0
00:34:16.002 --> 00:34:17.222
Raise your hand if you do.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6113-0
00:34:21.692 --> 00:34:22.622
OK, seeing none.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6130-0
00:34:25.642 --> 00:34:29.557
No, no other one brought with
wants to present comments from

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6130-1
00:34:29.557 --> 00:34:30.992
the Sunday River room.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6146-0
00:34:35.602 --> 00:34:37.892
And I I don't see any hands.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6155-0
00:34:36.672 --> 00:34:37.472
Think we're good?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6153-0
00:34:37.902 --> 00:34:39.092
It's so I think we're good.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6167-0
00:34:39.282 --> 00:34:41.642
Ohh wait, we have one, yeah.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6163-0
00:34:39.602 --> 00:34:40.012
OK.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6166-0
00:34:40.192 --> 00:34:40.672
Ohh wait.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6173-0
00:34:49.662 --> 00:34:50.322
Regular.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6187-0
00:34:50.712 --> 00:34:53.782
I'm director of Finance,
administration and ecomaine.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6250-0
00:34:54.612 --> 00:35:00.635
When when I look at investments,
I think there's a direct need to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6250-1
00:35:00.635 --> 00:35:05.928
kind of identify what the
problems are currently, and one

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6250-2
00:35:05.928 --> 00:35:11.769
of those is transportation costs
and creating an infrastructure

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6250-3
00:35:11.769 --> 00:35:17.335
to move the recycled materials
to their ultimate source from

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6250-4
00:35:17.335 --> 00:35:22.628
the homes to some type of
regional transfer station to a,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6250-5
00:35:22.628 --> 00:35:25.822
a MRF to separate that
material.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6270-0
00:35:26.352 --> 00:35:31.972
And there is not a good kind of
process right now to do that.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6347-0
00:35:31.982 --> 00:35:38.701
And in looking at what your your
your goals are in regards to and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6347-1
00:35:38.701 --> 00:35:44.809
improving recycling, that's a
hurdle that I think that this

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6347-2
00:35:44.809 --> 00:35:51.426
process should look at to kind of
devote dollars in the process to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6347-3
00:35:51.426 --> 00:35:56.923
move the material and get it
from the consumer to the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6347-4
00:35:56.923 --> 00:36:02.827
ultimate destination of for
resale, for reuse or I'm just

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6347-5
00:36:02.827 --> 00:36:05.372
in, in a commodity sense.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6352-0
00:36:06.102 --> 00:36:09.082
The second item is is that
regionalization.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6381-0
00:36:10.442 --> 00:36:16.413
Is essential because you cannot
afford the cost of these new

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6381-1
00:36:16.413 --> 00:36:22.385
MRFs today, without looking at
it on a very large capacity

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6381-2
00:36:22.385 --> 00:36:22.972
basis.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6400-0
00:36:23.722 --> 00:36:28.087
When you look at the the MRFs
that are out there across the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6400-1
00:36:28.087 --> 00:36:30.592
country, umm, they are
tremendous.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6494-0
00:36:30.602 --> 00:36:36.149
The amount of material would
they can separate and make that

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6494-1
00:36:36.149 --> 00:36:41.150
material more valuable is
extremely important, but the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6494-2
00:36:41.150 --> 00:36:46.878
cost of that equipment is, you
know we are looking at building

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6494-3
00:36:46.878 --> 00:36:52.334
a new MRF at ecomaine and
we're talking in excess of the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6494-4
00:36:52.334 --> 00:36:58.153
$20 million investment and you
know that's a 20 year investment

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6494-5
00:36:58.153 --> 00:37:03.791
and how do you fund that and how
do you pay for that and this

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6494-6
00:37:03.791 --> 00:37:09.610
kind of concept of of you know
extended producer responsibility

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6494-7
00:37:09.610 --> 00:37:11.792
is great in its concept.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6541-0
00:37:11.802 --> 00:37:16.204
But how do you essentially fund
those large scale projects and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6541-1
00:37:16.204 --> 00:37:20.605
you need a mechanism you know
when you're talking $20 million,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6541-2
00:37:20.605 --> 00:37:25.007
you can't have one in Bangor,
one in Lewiston, one in Augusta,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6541-3
00:37:25.007 --> 00:37:27.452
one in it just doesn't make
sense.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6567-0
00:37:27.462 --> 00:37:31.978
So you really have to look at it
on a regional basis and devote

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6567-1
00:37:31.978 --> 00:37:35.082
the resources to get those types
of things.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6632-0
00:37:35.752 --> 00:37:40.352
And how do you do that and put
that into the process where you

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6632-1
00:37:40.352 --> 00:37:45.026
can recover and maybe it's a a
cost recovery over time that you

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6632-2
00:37:45.026 --> 00:37:49.626
can devote a certain portion of
this money to those resources,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6632-3
00:37:49.626 --> 00:37:53.788
but it's just basically a
problem that I perceive is how

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6632-4
00:37:53.788 --> 00:37:57.439
do we pay for that
infrastructure to make it most

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6632-5
00:37:57.439 --> 00:37:58.242
economical?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6741-0
00:38:03.502 --> 00:38:07.122
Andy's got a follow up
question question in terms of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6741-1
00:38:07.122 --> 00:38:10.479
the transportation
infrastructure aspect of things

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6741-2
00:38:10.479 --> 00:38:14.034
that you mentioned, do you
envision them that the the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6741-3
00:38:14.034 --> 00:38:18.180
stewardship organization would
hire their own trucking company

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6741-4
00:38:18.180 --> 00:38:21.471
or I think we need
transportation as as something

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6741-5
00:38:21.471 --> 00:38:25.618
that would grow and be supported
under reimbursement model and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6741-6
00:38:25.618 --> 00:38:29.896
it's a specific and cost factor
and reimbursement model that are

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6741-7
00:38:29.896 --> 00:38:33.846
you it it suggesting that that
you know that be stewardship

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6741-8
00:38:33.846 --> 00:38:38.124
organization trucking company to
to try to move materials around

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6741-9
00:38:38.124 --> 00:38:38.782
the state.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6759-0
00:38:43.302 --> 00:38:48.581
I mean what I see is that you
have no mechanism to move the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6759-1
00:38:48.581 --> 00:38:49.812
material from.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6824-0
00:38:49.882 --> 00:38:54.811
I'll, I'll just say Mid Coast
area is an example where you

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6824-1
00:38:54.811 --> 00:38:59.406
have number of smaller
communities and to transport it

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6824-2
00:38:59.406 --> 00:39:04.001
ultimately it has to get
transported self to where the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6824-3
00:39:04.001 --> 00:39:09.264
markets are for that commodity
and what's is currently kind of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6824-4
00:39:09.264 --> 00:39:14.276
the problem is that the trucking
cost on a small scale just

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6824-5
00:39:14.276 --> 00:39:15.362
doesn't work.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6834-0
00:39:15.752 --> 00:39:20.662
You can't move small, you know
two ton kind of.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6853-0
00:39:20.852 --> 00:39:25.269
You need larger scale walking
trailers that can move that

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6853-1
00:39:25.269 --> 00:39:29.152
material and you need the
infrastructure in these.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6887-0
00:39:29.202 --> 00:39:34.115
Well, I'll call the spoke system
to to have the material

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6887-1
00:39:34.115 --> 00:39:39.199
collected at these various
regional locations that then it

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6887-2
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:43.422
can be transported on a more
economical masses.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6983-0
00:39:43.612 --> 00:39:49.012
So in my mind, you're gonna need
some type of, you know hub

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6983-1
00:39:49.012 --> 00:39:54.502
system and whether or not you
have some organization that is

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6983-2
00:39:54.502 --> 00:40:00.172
formed from this revenue source
to provide that is is you know

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6983-3
00:40:00.172 --> 00:40:05.572
it's an unknown at this point,
but transportation costs are

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6983-4
00:40:05.572 --> 00:40:11.062
just the really a major hurdle
currently within the industry

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6983-5
00:40:11.062 --> 00:40:16.462
and the costs have escalated so
dramatically that I think more

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6983-6
00:40:16.462 --> 00:40:21.862
regional approach is something
that makes sense to move the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6983-7
00:40:21.862 --> 00:40:26.812
material in larger capacity at
a lower per unit cost.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/6991-0
00:40:28.482 --> 00:40:29.312
How you do that?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7000-0
00:40:29.402 --> 00:40:30.652
I don't have the answer for
that.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7043-0
00:40:38.262 --> 00:40:41.568
And I'm just trying to my
understanding, just make sure

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7043-1
00:40:41.568 --> 00:40:45.052
I'm understanding is that you're
suggesting you need for a

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7043-2
00:40:45.052 --> 00:40:48.771
transfer station, the type of
transfer station that would take

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7043-3
00:40:48.771 --> 00:40:49.952
so out of mid coast.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7064-0
00:40:50.382 --> 00:40:57.234
You know, the various there's a
small truck coming from the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7064-1
00:40:57.234 --> 00:41:00.432
cooperative transfer station.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7070-0
00:41:00.442 --> 00:41:01.782
There's a small truck coming
from.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7078-0
00:41:02.822 --> 00:41:04.282
Rockland transfer station.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7097-0
00:41:04.292 --> 00:41:08.368
That small truck coming from
Warren Transfer Station, they go

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7097-1
00:41:08.368 --> 00:41:10.012
to a place in Walterboro.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7122-0
00:41:10.022 --> 00:41:13.390
They dump their stuff, they put
it in a big truck and then the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7122-1
00:41:13.390 --> 00:41:15.742
big truck goes from Walterboro
to Portland.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7148-0
00:41:15.822 --> 00:41:17.966
That correct and there's a need
for that piece of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7148-1
00:41:17.966 --> 00:41:19.982
infrastructure, that's what
you're suggesting?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7186-0
00:41:20.732 --> 00:41:24.928
Yeah, it is just, you know, you
need, you know, like five of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7186-1
00:41:24.928 --> 00:41:29.330
these spokes to move the amount
of material that's necessary to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7186-2
00:41:29.330 --> 00:41:33.388
make it economical to process
the material at a reasonable

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7186-3
00:41:33.388 --> 00:41:33.732
cost.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7203-0
00:41:34.852 --> 00:41:38.062
Uh, you know when you're
talking, you know $150.00 a ton.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7214-0
00:41:38.872 --> 00:41:41.482
Uh, it's all all in cost.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7220-0
00:41:41.642 --> 00:41:43.262
People aren't going to recycle.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7235-0
00:41:43.272 --> 00:41:46.057
They're gonna be abandoning
their programs like Auburn's

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7235-1
00:41:46.057 --> 00:41:46.852
doing currently.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7238-0
00:41:51.382 --> 00:41:51.742
Thank you.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7252-0
00:41:56.022 --> 00:41:58.272
Any questions in the room?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7258-0
00:41:58.682 --> 00:42:01.022
The Sunday River room.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7261-0
00:42:04.542 --> 00:42:04.802
No.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7266-0
00:42:05.092 --> 00:42:06.572
How about from the Internet?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7268-0
00:42:10.662 --> 00:42:10.982
OK.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7281-0
00:42:15.522 --> 00:42:20.022
Does anyone from the Internet
wish to present a comments?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7288-0
00:42:22.612 --> 00:42:23.962
Just raise your hand if so.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7297-0
00:42:36.302 --> 00:42:37.202
OK, seeing none.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7302-0
00:42:40.672 --> 00:42:41.372
Talk about goals.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7315-0
00:42:45.562 --> 00:42:46.452
According what's that?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7321-0
00:42:46.462 --> 00:42:48.362
That's about all what's going
on.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7327-0
00:42:48.372 --> 00:42:49.542
Everyone wants to talk about
gold.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7330-0
00:42:49.552 --> 00:42:50.442
OK, OK.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7349-0
00:42:50.452 --> 00:42:54.750
So we're gonna move on to the
extra bonus session of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7349-1
00:42:54.750 --> 00:42:56.582
today to talk about goals.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7355-0
00:43:13.732 --> 00:43:15.712
Does. Yeah.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7364-0
00:43:31.972 --> 00:43:32.422
So.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7394-0
00:43:32.492 --> 00:43:35.306
So I guess if no one has
anything initially the most

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7388-0
00:43:35.132 --> 00:43:35.912
I I.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7394-1
00:43:35.306 --> 00:43:38.172
extensive comments we've got on
goals were from NRCM.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7422-0
00:43:39.042 --> 00:43:43.259
So I don't know if you would
mind Sarah giving us a a summary

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7422-1
00:43:43.259 --> 00:43:47.408
of your thoughts on that and
then we can maybe that'll start

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7422-2
00:43:47.408 --> 00:43:48.632
some conversation.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7435-0
00:43:51.982 --> 00:43:54.612
But OK, you don't have to.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7439-0
00:43:53.142 --> 00:43:54.242
She's looking.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7447-0
00:43:54.802 --> 00:43:55.452
You don't have to.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7443-0
00:43:54.842 --> 00:43:55.212
She's.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7450-0
00:43:55.222 --> 00:43:58.272
She's searching. She's searching
for her notes.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7452-0
00:43:58.282 --> 00:43:58.522
Hold on.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7468-0
00:44:03.362 --> 00:44:05.452
Anyone else is obviously free to
speak as well.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7471-0
00:44:05.462 --> 00:44:06.132
I just didn't.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7481-0
00:44:06.142 --> 00:44:08.872
No one is interested in
starting.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7488-0
00:44:08.882 --> 00:44:10.742
They had pretty detailed
comments on this.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7491-0
00:44:12.912 --> 00:44:13.202
OK.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7501-0
00:44:15.382 --> 00:44:16.792
Well, thank you again everybody.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7505-0
00:44:16.802 --> 00:44:18.212
Sarah Nichols, NRCM.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7533-0
00:44:21.502 --> 00:44:24.651
I don't wanna spend all the time
reading the comments as

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7533-1
00:44:24.651 --> 00:44:27.801
necessarily that we submitted
but and I also don't wanna

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7533-2
00:44:27.801 --> 00:44:28.132
sound.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7539-0
00:44:30.752 --> 00:44:31.062
I don't know.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7545-0
00:44:31.072 --> 00:44:31.512
It's gonna sound.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7561-0
00:44:31.522 --> 00:44:34.790
Anyway, I do think that the
discussion of program goals and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7561-1
00:44:34.790 --> 00:44:36.042
is extremely important.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7629-0
00:44:36.052 --> 00:44:40.413
So much so that I actually think
it would have been of benefit to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7629-1
00:44:40.413 --> 00:44:44.245
make this the very first
discussion to have as a group so

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7629-2
00:44:44.245 --> 00:44:48.606
that everybody could kind of get
get grounded on exactly what the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7629-3
00:44:48.606 --> 00:44:52.306
point of having an EPR for
packaging system is and what

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7629-4
00:44:52.306 --> 00:44:56.402
what is designed to achieve and
has the potential to achieve.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7656-0
00:44:56.912 --> 00:45:01.938
And I found that I no matter who
the stakeholder is, most people

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7656-1
00:45:01.938 --> 00:45:05.959
can agree that, you know, we
wanna follow the waste

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7656-2
00:45:05.959 --> 00:45:06.732
hierarchy.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7685-0
00:45:06.742 --> 00:45:10.559
You know, reduce waste and
increase reuse and increase

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7685-1
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:14.722
recycling and reduce disposal
and you know we want uh, more

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7685-2
00:45:14.722 --> 00:45:15.832
regionalization.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7726-0
00:45:15.842 --> 00:45:18.936
We want, you know, whatever
vision it is that everybody all

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7726-1
00:45:18.936 --> 00:45:22.288
has, it's we could probably get
to something like that, but it's

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7726-2
00:45:22.288 --> 00:45:25.692
more the the real arguments come
then if we've agreed and abouts.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7739-0
00:45:25.702 --> 00:45:29.459
But the points are, you know,
what are those specific number

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7739-1
00:45:29.459 --> 00:45:29.952
targets?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7747-0
00:45:29.962 --> 00:45:30.952
What should those numbers be?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7766-0
00:45:30.962 --> 00:45:35.024
Based on, we can argue about
that and then you know how we

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00:45:35.024 --> 00:45:36.882
how we achieve those goals.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7775-0
00:45:36.892 --> 00:45:38.982
Because the thing where we can
all argue over.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7808-0
00:45:38.992 --> 00:45:42.116
So I thought it would have been
again, you know 98 it would have

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7808-1
00:45:42.116 --> 00:45:45.191
been a nice way to kind of get
people to rally around the point

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7808-2
00:45:45.191 --> 00:45:45.912
of all of this.

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00:45:45.922 --> 00:45:48.829
And I think it would have made
it better even to, you know,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7826-1
00:45:48.829 --> 00:45:50.622
talk about municipal
reimbursements.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7911-0
00:45:50.632 --> 00:45:54.612
What if one of the goals, let's
say, is to make sure that all

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7911-1
00:45:54.612 --> 00:45:58.271
municipalities of participating
that they have access to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7911-2
00:45:58.271 --> 00:46:02.315
whatever it is that they, you
know and if we had, uh, you know

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7911-3
00:46:02.315 --> 00:46:05.846
our more regionalization
whatever our our goals are at

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7911-4
00:46:05.846 --> 00:46:10.018
the outset those conversations I
think would have been easier to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7911-5
00:46:10.018 --> 00:46:13.998
have if like let's reimburse
this because one of our goals is

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7911-6
00:46:13.998 --> 00:46:15.282
to do that you know.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7943-0
00:46:15.292 --> 00:46:20.801
So I just think what without
more, umm, you know, it's hard

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7943-1
00:46:20.801 --> 00:46:26.127
to do this without something
written down to something to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7943-2
00:46:26.127 --> 00:46:28.422
react to, but some maybe.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7995-0
00:46:28.982 --> 00:46:31.999
I think in the future it would
have been nice to have here some

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7995-1
00:46:31.999 --> 00:46:35.062
proposed goals, just they're not
necessarily the ones, but let's

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7995-2
00:46:35.062 --> 00:46:38.079
like rip those apart and attack
them because it is kind of hard

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7995-3
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:40.812
to talk about it in theory
without reacting to something.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/7998-0
00:46:38.232 --> 00:46:40.892
Yeah, exactly.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8013-0
00:46:40.822 --> 00:46:50.139
So there's that, and we totally
overthought this at at NRCM and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8013-1
00:46:50.139 --> 00:46:50.582
we.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8036-0
00:46:53.272 --> 00:46:57.331
Organize our suggestions into
three different well, because

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8036-1
00:46:57.331 --> 00:46:59.902
categories we have overarching
goals.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8074-0
00:46:59.912 --> 00:47:03.780
We came up with four overarching
goals of the program and we have

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00:47:03.780 --> 00:47:07.414
certain elements that fall under
those goals and then targets

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8074-2
00:47:07.414 --> 00:47:10.872
would be the quantifiable
numbers to achieve some of those

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8074-3
00:47:10.872 --> 00:47:11.282
things.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8083-0
00:47:11.672 --> 00:47:13.882
So going through some of my
comments here.

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00:47:13.892 --> 00:47:18.305
So the first goal we thought of
EPR packaging in general, these

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8104-1
00:47:18.305 --> 00:47:22.372
are things that I think are
public facing and overarching.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8122-0
00:47:22.642 --> 00:47:25.978
So goal number one would be
shift costs from taxpayers and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8122-1
00:47:25.978 --> 00:47:27.052
towns to producers.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8172-0
00:47:27.062 --> 00:47:30.650
That's one of the primary goals
of EPR to do that so that we

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8172-1
00:47:30.650 --> 00:47:34.014
can save taxpayers money and
reduce the financial burden on

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00:47:34.014 --> 00:47:36.929
local cities and towns by
creating more sustainable

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8172-3
00:47:36.929 --> 00:47:40.461
funding source to support the
diversion of recycling packaging

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8172-4
00:47:40.461 --> 00:47:41.862
materials from landfills.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8234-0
00:47:41.872 --> 00:47:45.289
So elements of that mean that
that's why we're advocating for,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8234-1
00:47:45.289 --> 00:47:48.707
you know, full producer funded
reimbursement of all municipal

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8234-2
00:47:48.707 --> 00:47:52.234
costs related to packaging waste
including in public spaces and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8234-3
00:47:52.234 --> 00:47:55.320
schools, producer funded
management of litter including

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8234-4
00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:58.076
education that results in
reduction of litter and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8234-5
00:47:58.076 --> 00:48:01.052
encouragement and municipal
participation through the

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00:48:01.052 --> 00:48:03.312
support of the stewardship
organization.

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00:48:03.492 --> 00:48:07.997
So let's say targets for that,
like numeric target for

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00:48:07.997 --> 00:48:12.823
municipal participation is, I
would hope for 100%, you know

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8263-2
00:48:12.823 --> 00:48:14.432
something like that.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8309-0
00:48:14.442 --> 00:48:18.017
But so when we're talking about
this, you know, rules of the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8309-1
00:48:18.017 --> 00:48:21.710
stewardship organization, let's
say if one of the goals of the

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00:48:21.710 --> 00:48:24.640
program sample, 100%
participation in the system,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8309-3
00:48:24.640 --> 00:48:27.336
then the stewardship
organization should have

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00:48:27.336 --> 00:48:29.622
dedicated staff that that's
their job.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8339-0
00:48:29.672 --> 00:48:32.199
So that's why I think talking
about these up front would have

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00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:34.564
helped with all of these
discussions that we're having as

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00:48:34.564 --> 00:48:35.012
an example.

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00:48:36.652 --> 00:48:39.726
Umm so goal #2 we have safeguard
the environment and enable

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00:48:39.726 --> 00:48:40.802
environmental action.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8369-0
00:48:40.812 --> 00:48:45.582
That's one of the big draws of
EPR packaging.

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00:48:45.902 --> 00:48:48.601
So this means encouraging, you
know, big corporations and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8427-1
00:48:48.601 --> 00:48:51.020
brands of packaging
manufacturers to reduce plastic

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8427-2
00:48:51.020 --> 00:48:53.580
pollution and design less
wasteful packaging materials

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00:48:53.580 --> 00:48:56.232
that could be more easily
recycled or reused and make it

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00:48:56.232 --> 00:48:59.024
simpler for many people and
businesses to reduce, reuse and

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00:48:59.024 --> 00:49:00.652
recycle those packaging
materials.

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00:49:00.812 --> 00:49:04.277
Elements of that include waste
reduction, targets, reuse and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8450-1
00:49:04.277 --> 00:49:07.572
refill targets overall, and
material specific collection.

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00:49:07.582 --> 00:49:11.032
And recycling rate targets and
ensure that producer funding

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00:49:11.032 --> 00:49:14.195
facilitates broad public
education outreach to support

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8504-2
00:49:14.195 --> 00:49:17.817
these programs that use of eco
modulated fees to reinforce all

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00:49:17.817 --> 00:49:21.152
of these targets and accurate,
easy to read recycling and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8504-4
00:49:21.152 --> 00:49:23.222
disposal instructions on
packaging.

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00:49:24.282 --> 00:49:28.160
Umm, you know, and then all of
those targets, we could try to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8546-1
00:49:28.160 --> 00:49:31.601
come up with numbers that make
sense or have the needs

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8546-2
00:49:31.601 --> 00:49:35.479
assessment identify what is a
reasonable target, where are we

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8546-3
00:49:35.479 --> 00:49:36.292
at right now?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8579-0
00:49:36.302 --> 00:49:38.976
I think one of the issues we
have right now is not enough

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8579-1
00:49:38.976 --> 00:49:41.972
data to even set numbers without
pulling out a thin air and I.

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00:49:42.042 --> 00:49:45.634
But with that said to you, I
think that we can look to other

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00:49:45.634 --> 00:49:49.168
jurisdictions that have come up
with numbers and what seems

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8613-2
00:49:49.168 --> 00:49:52.642
reasonable there and just work
towards that goal as we go.

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00:49:54.172 --> 00:49:55.782
Umm goal #3.

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00:49:55.832 --> 00:49:58.485
I have 4 so so where I'm at
right now so is to fund

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00:49:58.485 --> 00:49:59.862
infrastructure enhancement.

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00:50:00.152 --> 00:50:03.021
So this means investing targeted
funding to expand reuse and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8670-1
00:50:03.021 --> 00:50:05.890
recycling programs and cities
and towns equitably throughout

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8670-2
00:50:05.890 --> 00:50:08.242
me, and not just populations,
centers and cities.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8703-0
00:50:09.472 --> 00:50:12.525
Elements of that goal would be
to ensure producer funding is

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8703-1
00:50:12.525 --> 00:50:15.628
focused to meet identify needs
and expand reuse and recycling

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8703-2
00:50:15.628 --> 00:50:18.380
opportunities, and for the
stewardship organization to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8703-3
00:50:18.380 --> 00:50:20.382
conduct the statewide needs
assessment.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8735-0
00:50:20.752 --> 00:50:22.982
So all the elements of the
program that we've been talking

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8735-1
00:50:22.982 --> 00:50:25.439
about are all fitting underneath
these overarching goals is kind

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8735-2
00:50:25.439 --> 00:50:25.892
of the idea.

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00:50:27.072 --> 00:50:30.343
Umm, another element is
intentional coordination among

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8767-1
00:50:30.343 --> 00:50:33.852
municipalities to encourage
regionalization and sharing of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8767-2
00:50:33.852 --> 00:50:37.242
resources to divert more
materials from the landfill and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8767-3
00:50:37.242 --> 00:50:39.502
achieve economies of scale
recycling.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8780-0
00:50:41.492 --> 00:50:44.822
Umm OK, Go 4 gather and leverage
data.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8788-0
00:50:44.892 --> 00:50:46.962
This is one of my favorite parts
about EPR.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8948-0
00:50:47.812 --> 00:50:50.556
Expand the availability and
quality of the data and use

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8948-1
00:50:50.556 --> 00:50:52.958
information to continually
improve the programs,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8948-2
00:50:52.958 --> 00:50:55.800
effectiveness and enforcement of
recycling, reuse of main

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8948-3
00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:58.887
elements of this goal would be
to incorporate robust reporting

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8948-4
00:50:58.887 --> 00:51:01.582
from all the producers and the
supply chain, municipal

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8948-5
00:51:01.582 --> 00:51:04.670
collection, and the fate of the
packaging material, whether it

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8948-6
00:51:04.670 --> 00:51:07.708
be through reuse, recycling,
litter disposal on a landfill or

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8948-7
00:51:07.708 --> 00:51:10.256
incinerator, Technical Support
for the stewardship,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8948-8
00:51:10.256 --> 00:51:12.853
organization to the
municipalities to create simple,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8948-9
00:51:12.853 --> 00:51:15.843
accurate and efficient reporting
by municipalities to expand

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8948-10
00:51:15.843 --> 00:51:18.930
required reporting over time as
appropriate and increased data

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8948-11
00:51:18.930 --> 00:51:21.723
becomes available through
ongoing program implementation

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8948-12
00:51:21.723 --> 00:51:24.859
and reports from the stewardship
organization to the department

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8948-13
00:51:24.859 --> 00:51:27.898
and from the department to the
legislature should suggest any

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8948-14
00:51:27.898 --> 00:51:30.544
changes to the program or
related policies that could

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00:51:30.544 --> 00:51:33.582
enhance the effectiveness of the
program as more data becomes

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/8948-16
00:51:33.582 --> 00:51:34.072
available.

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00:51:36.072 --> 00:51:40.436
So that's my general schtick when
it comes to the program goals

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9004-1
00:51:40.436 --> 00:51:44.940
and targets and how we would do
that, I go on in my comments to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9004-2
00:51:44.940 --> 00:51:48.882
identify the target who's
responsible for meeting those

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9004-3
00:51:48.882 --> 00:51:53.175
targets, such that producers are
responsible for meeting the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9004-4
00:51:53.175 --> 00:51:56.272
targets that they have under
their control.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9035-0
00:51:56.362 --> 00:52:00.572
So I don't think necessarily
producers should be responsible

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9035-1
00:52:00.572 --> 00:52:04.506
for increasing and I maybe
collection opportunities in a

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9035-2
00:52:04.506 --> 00:52:08.302
town that should be the
municipalities responsibility.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9042-0
00:52:08.312 --> 00:52:10.362
So to make clear who's
responsible for what?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9072-0
00:52:10.992 --> 00:52:15.596
So, and I really overthought
this and came up with all of the

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00:52:15.596 --> 00:52:19.977
different types of targets
assigned those to a responsible

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9072-2
00:52:19.977 --> 00:52:20.422
party.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9085-0
00:52:20.432 --> 00:52:22.774
Either producer, or municipality, or just overall to the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9085-1
00:52:22.774 --> 00:52:23.102
program.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9101-0
00:52:24.212 --> 00:52:29.429
Umm, and classified what
overarching of those four goals

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9101-1
00:52:29.429 --> 00:52:31.442
that would pertain to?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9109-0
00:52:33.522 --> 00:52:35.852
Umm, I have a lot more written
here.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9163-0
00:52:35.862 --> 00:52:40.129
I just don't wanna go on and on,
but that's kind of the idea and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9163-1
00:52:40.129 --> 00:52:44.002
I'd be really, I'd be happy to
speak with anybody and it's

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9163-2
00:52:44.002 --> 00:52:48.138
really excited about this aspect
of the program and a separate

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9163-3
00:52:48.138 --> 00:52:52.404
conversation and help facilitate
coalescing around certain goals

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9163-4
00:52:52.404 --> 00:52:53.192
and targets.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9166-0
00:52:56.622 --> 00:52:56.912
OK.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9168-0
00:52:57.182 --> 00:52:57.682
Any questions?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9178-0
00:53:01.612 --> 00:53:02.762
Yeah. We've we.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9185-0
00:53:01.962 --> 00:53:05.012
Hi Andy. So.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9181-0
00:53:03.172 --> 00:53:03.592
Hey, Sarah.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9190-0
00:53:05.962 --> 00:53:06.402
Go for it.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9201-0
00:53:07.552 --> 00:53:11.202
Hey, which goals would the
producer be responsible for?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9228-0
00:53:11.212 --> 00:53:14.262
Just so I understand where you
think they're, there should be

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9227-0
00:53:13.522 --> 00:53:14.612
Sorry, we can't hear you that
well.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9228-1
00:53:14.262 --> 00:53:15.442
responsibility for that.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9243-0
00:53:18.162 --> 00:53:21.852
Schools have been like the
consumer of the package.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9250-0
00:53:23.612 --> 00:53:24.622
You, Sir, producer.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9251-0
00:53:24.982 --> 00:53:26.052
Ohh the producer.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9304-0
00:53:26.302 --> 00:53:30.762
Ohh, I can go back and look at
my notes, but it was more things

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9304-1
00:53:30.762 --> 00:53:34.803
like making sure that your
package is made with a certain

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9304-2
00:53:34.803 --> 00:53:38.496
percent of recycled content or
has accurate labeling

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9304-3
00:53:38.496 --> 00:53:42.886
instructions or things that are
underneath under the producers

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9304-4
00:53:42.886 --> 00:53:43.722
prerogative.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9315-0
00:53:43.832 --> 00:53:47.002
Basically you you decide what
package to put your products in.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9320-0
00:54:03.702 --> 00:54:03.962
Umm.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9331-0
00:54:05.452 --> 00:54:06.872
We've got another question.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9339-0
00:54:09.352 --> 00:54:10.322
No, I thought it was you.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9344-0
00:54:10.532 --> 00:54:11.082
No, no.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9360-0
00:54:11.092 --> 00:54:17.090
I was just trying to move like
no one else has anything to say

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9360-1
00:54:17.090 --> 00:54:18.042
right now.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9367-0
00:54:18.052 --> 00:54:21.692
I was thinking that umm.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9383-0
00:54:25.352 --> 00:54:29.357
You know, if the four goals you
put forward, does anyone have to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9383-1
00:54:29.357 --> 00:54:29.542
me?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9394-0
00:54:32.682 --> 00:54:35.992
Uh, they seem to be yes.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9404-0
00:54:36.002 --> 00:54:39.402
Those are the things that the
program is designed to do.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9409-0
00:54:40.542 --> 00:54:40.982
Umm.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9421-0
00:54:42.392 --> 00:54:49.062
And to me, the space for more
discussion.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9441-0
00:54:49.152 --> 00:54:53.811
It almost seems like the easiest
way to to to think about this is

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9441-1
00:54:53.811 --> 00:54:55.082
is to look at the.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9453-0
00:54:58.312 --> 00:55:01.162
The safeguard the environment
piece is actually where.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9487-0
00:55:05.902 --> 00:55:09.124
It seems to me that that's
that's more where there's more

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9487-1
00:55:09.124 --> 00:55:12.735
space for goals and then to look
at which potentially, you know,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9487-2
00:55:12.735 --> 00:55:13.402
what are we.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9492-0
00:55:13.512 --> 00:55:14.262
So we did this.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9496-0
00:55:14.272 --> 00:55:14.882
What are we?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9509-0
00:55:14.892 --> 00:55:16.805
You know, we're hoping that
producers are going to change

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9509-1
00:55:16.805 --> 00:55:17.332
their packaging.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9525-0
00:55:17.342 --> 00:55:20.872
What are we hoping that those
changes are going to look like?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9536-0
00:55:20.962 --> 00:55:23.482
Can we get, you know, a list?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9545-0
00:55:23.492 --> 00:55:28.922
And then we're hoping that
there's going to be more, uh.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9592-0
00:55:32.542 --> 00:55:35.538
We've heard regionalization
mentioned a whole bunch of times

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9592-1
00:55:35.538 --> 00:55:38.632
is that can we talk a little bit
more about what what we think

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9592-2
00:55:38.632 --> 00:55:41.776
that might look like or what we
might hope or what's what's the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9592-3
00:55:41.776 --> 00:55:43.642
goal in in, in regional
organization?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9634-0
00:55:47.952 --> 00:55:51.824
And get a question on that,
thinking about the goals I going

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9634-1
00:55:51.824 --> 00:55:55.950
back to the background document,
they're not legally enforceable

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9634-2
00:55:55.950 --> 00:55:58.552
in the sense that or help me
understand.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9637-0
00:55:58.562 --> 00:55:59.112
Are they legal?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9651-0
00:55:59.122 --> 00:56:02.550
Enforceable whether department
is going to be and for all the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9651-1
00:56:02.550 --> 00:56:02.882
goals.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9663-0
00:56:05.862 --> 00:56:08.912
Is there a A you don't hit 50%?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9667-0
00:56:08.922 --> 00:56:09.692
What happens?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9695-0
00:56:10.242 --> 00:56:12.986
Is there a penalty doesn't
enforce cause that's the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9695-1
00:56:12.986 --> 00:56:16.152
scenario in some other places
when it comes to PCR content.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9724-0
00:56:16.162 --> 00:56:19.494
For example, I I don't read the
statute as necessarily

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9724-1
00:56:19.494 --> 00:56:23.007
authorizing that first thing,
but I wanted to to to maybe

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9724-2
00:56:23.007 --> 00:56:24.642
level set on on that point.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9760-0
00:56:25.552 --> 00:56:29.672
Umm, I do think happy to have a
dialogue around the safeguard,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9760-1
00:56:29.672 --> 00:56:33.923
the environment goals which all
seem seem to be from folks point

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9760-2
00:56:33.923 --> 00:56:35.362
back to the producers.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9810-0
00:56:35.882 --> 00:56:40.231
I do think if we're gonna set a
access, you know, goal of say we

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9810-1
00:56:40.231 --> 00:56:44.380
want state to have 100% access
to recycling that you know how

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9810-2
00:56:44.380 --> 00:56:48.662
do you get there like you can't
you know there needs to be some

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9810-3
00:56:48.662 --> 00:56:50.402
way to encourage that too.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9822-0
00:56:50.412 --> 00:56:51.862
Otherwise, you're just setting
the numbers.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9828-0
00:56:51.872 --> 00:56:53.342
Set number to feel better,
right?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9879-0
00:56:53.392 --> 00:56:57.103
Like either the reimbursement
rate starts to drop or like some

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9879-1
00:56:57.103 --> 00:57:00.755
like I don't, I don't know how
to get why we put that goal in

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9879-2
00:57:00.755 --> 00:57:04.584
there if we don't have a way, a
mechanism of making that happen,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9879-3
00:57:04.584 --> 00:57:07.882
right, because we can't force
anybody into the program.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9913-0
00:57:07.892 --> 00:57:11.884
There's no ability to have that
SO come in and take over

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9913-1
00:57:11.884 --> 00:57:16.358
recycling and municipality like
there are no other jurisdictions

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9913-2
00:57:16.358 --> 00:57:18.492
to provide that service, right?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9926-0
00:57:18.502 --> 00:57:20.776
I'm not saying I'm not trying to
say we're shirking

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9926-1
00:57:20.776 --> 00:57:21.432
responsibility.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9955-0
00:57:21.442 --> 00:57:24.745
I'm just saying there's no
mechanism for the SO to come in

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9955-1
00:57:24.745 --> 00:57:28.322
and say, hey, in Union, you guys
aren't doing recycling anymore.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/9971-0
00:57:28.332 --> 00:57:32.542
We're gonna provide it and you
know, and of the infrastructure.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10000-0
00:57:34.252 --> 00:57:38.207
So I guess if we think about,
you know the four buckets of goals

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10000-1
00:57:38.207 --> 00:57:41.848
was, we're gonna put them in
regulatory code or friendly,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10000-2
00:57:41.848 --> 00:57:42.852
articulate them.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10023-0
00:57:43.912 --> 00:57:47.781
Are there ways that we can
encourage, you know, maybe the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10023-1
00:57:47.781 --> 00:57:51.582
reimbursement rate is tied to
some of this a little bit?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10032-0
00:57:51.592 --> 00:57:52.582
I don't know how that would.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10053-0
00:57:52.672 --> 00:57:55.954
You know how we do that and make
that more complex when it comes

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10053-1
00:57:55.954 --> 00:57:57.822
to the safeguarding the
environment?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10057-0
00:57:57.892 --> 00:57:58.262
Go.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10069-0
00:57:58.272 --> 00:58:01.729
Obviously we've got some
distinct perspectives on putting

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10069-1
00:58:01.729 --> 00:58:02.802
numbers out there.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10079-0
00:58:02.812 --> 00:58:06.832
There are examples of PCR
programs that exist.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10108-0
00:58:06.842 --> 00:58:11.088
There are examples of overall
recycling rates we've we've got

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10108-1
00:58:11.088 --> 00:58:15.402
a recycling rate and statute of
50%, right that we've not yet.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10116-0
00:58:15.652 --> 00:58:17.172
So there, there are.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10134-0
00:58:18.152 --> 00:58:22.066
It was a moment that there are
numbers out there to to to look

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10134-1
00:58:22.066 --> 00:58:22.252
at.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10179-0
00:58:22.502 --> 00:58:26.752
I think it when it comes to
material specific numbers for

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10179-1
00:58:26.752 --> 00:58:31.442
reducing plastic for example, or
picking those types of things,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10179-2
00:58:31.442 --> 00:58:35.546
one for material specific gooals
and we do need the needs

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10179-3
00:58:35.546 --> 00:58:36.352
assessment.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10184-0
00:58:36.362 --> 00:58:37.082
We do need data.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10203-0
00:58:37.992 --> 00:58:41.805
So I'm not sure what those
numbers should be when it comes

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10203-1
00:58:41.805 --> 00:58:43.162
to producing plastic.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10244-0
00:58:43.432 --> 00:58:47.950
You know, as a suggestion, I
don't think the statute

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10244-1
00:58:47.950 --> 00:58:52.042
authorizes that because we're
material neutral.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10262-0
00:58:52.132 --> 00:58:55.722
But if you said, you know,
reducing glasses, you know

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10262-1
00:58:55.722 --> 00:58:59.512
reducing metal use, I don't
think the statute authorizes

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10262-2
00:58:59.512 --> 00:59:03.568
stewardship program or the the
the regulations to discourage

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10262-3
00:59:03.568 --> 00:59:04.432
a material.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10269-0
00:59:05.262 --> 00:59:06.292
So I don't think we can.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10283-0
00:59:06.302 --> 00:59:10.444
I think you could look at some
gentle source reduction

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10283-1
00:59:10.444 --> 00:59:11.272
approaches.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10287-0
00:59:11.682 --> 00:59:13.232
I do not endorse.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10344-0
00:59:13.242 --> 00:59:17.163
We do not endorse California's
approach because that's also

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10344-1
00:59:17.163 --> 00:59:21.148
producer specific and it has an
incredibly difficult formula

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10344-2
00:59:21.148 --> 00:59:24.873
that I think is going to be
unachievable, be to be quite

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10344-3
00:59:24.873 --> 00:59:28.793
frank, until, until we get
there, when it comes to labeling

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10344-4
00:59:28.793 --> 00:59:31.472
clear labeling, who's the judge
of that?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10388-0
00:59:32.392 --> 00:59:37.331
Uh, I I think you know, if we
reference how to recycle or some

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10388-1
00:59:37.331 --> 00:59:41.878
nationally accredited standards
for encouraging producers

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10388-2
00:59:41.878 --> 00:59:46.974
perhaps through eco modulation to,
to, to use nationally accredited

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10388-3
00:59:46.974 --> 00:59:49.012
better labeling practices.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10452-0
00:59:49.022 --> 00:59:52.414
Yes, I think that that's
something we could put into

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10452-1
00:59:52.414 --> 00:59:56.318
regulatory language that gives
the SO, you know flexibility

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10452-2
00:59:56.318 --> 01:00:00.158
and gives the departments and
ability to say in an annual

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10452-3
01:00:00.158 --> 01:00:03.870
report, hey, you know 80% of the
producers are using how to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10452-4
01:00:03.870 --> 01:00:06.942
recycle or another nationally
accredited.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10471-0
01:00:06.952 --> 01:00:10.996
You don't want to put one entity
in regulatory code, you know using

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10471-1
01:00:10.996 --> 01:00:13.692
nationally accredited labeling
standards.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10524-0
01:00:13.702 --> 01:00:16.905
So there are some things that I
think maybe there's could be

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10524-1
01:00:16.905 --> 01:00:20.107
some agreement dialogue about
what are mechanisms to getting

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10524-2
01:00:20.107 --> 01:00:22.942
towards safeguarding the
environment, but there are a

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10524-3
01:00:22.942 --> 01:00:26.092
couple things there that I think
are are really going to be

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10524-4
01:00:26.092 --> 01:00:28.612
challenging and not authorized
under the statue.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10559-0
01:00:33.162 --> 01:00:37.896
Yes, in terms of the way I I
read the statue and what it's

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10559-1
01:00:37.896 --> 01:00:42.470
doing with the goals, there
isn't a clear, you know, the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10559-2
01:00:42.470 --> 01:00:43.352
department.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10594-0
01:00:43.412 --> 01:00:47.666
Someone is out of compliance if
there's not reaching the goal in

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10594-1
01:00:47.666 --> 01:00:51.724
the shared nature of the system
makes it hard to make someone

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10594-2
01:00:51.724 --> 01:00:52.902
out of compliance.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10632-0
01:00:52.912 --> 01:00:57.402
You're not reaching a goal and
and they and the statue does

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10632-1
01:00:57.402 --> 01:01:02.041
directly point to umm the eco
modulation and the investments

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10632-2
01:01:02.041 --> 01:01:05.932
as the mechanisms that should
react to those goals.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10653-0
01:01:05.942 --> 01:01:10.688
So the way I read this is you got
some goals and those goals can

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10653-1
01:01:10.688 --> 01:01:12.542
fall into two categories.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10722-0
01:01:12.552 --> 01:01:15.807
They can fall into categories
that, I mean you could have more

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10722-1
01:01:15.807 --> 01:01:19.165
art overarching goals that maybe
sort of just direct as Sarah is

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10722-2
01:01:19.165 --> 01:01:22.368
suggesting sort of just direct
your general thinking and that

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10722-3
01:01:22.368 --> 01:01:25.777
we we just think of as like yes,
we're agreed on this and then we

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10722-4
01:01:25.777 --> 01:01:28.722
can use that to judge other
decisions that we're making.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10731-0
01:01:28.832 --> 01:01:32.702
But in terms of there, there's
two sets.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10748-0
01:01:32.712 --> 01:01:36.337
There's there's the set that's
going to OK, we're not reaching

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10748-1
01:01:36.337 --> 01:01:36.912
this goal.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10764-0
01:01:37.142 --> 01:01:39.558
Let's change the eco
modulation on the producers to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10764-1
01:01:39.558 --> 01:01:40.632
help us reach that goal.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10786-0
01:01:41.002 --> 01:01:44.660
And so those are the, you know,
the recycled contents, the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10786-1
01:01:44.660 --> 01:01:47.822
reuse, the material specific
recycling goals, the.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10800-0
01:01:50.102 --> 01:01:53.622
Is this readily recyclable types
of goals?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10803-0
01:01:53.632 --> 01:01:54.252
You know how?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10814-0
01:01:54.292 --> 01:01:56.522
What percentage of packaging is
readily recyclable?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10837-0
01:01:56.532 --> 01:02:00.299
Those types of goals would be,
in my mind, are pretty clearly

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10837-1
01:02:00.299 --> 01:02:03.032
OK, we've got a goal breach of
those things.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10879-0
01:02:03.202 --> 01:02:07.003
If we're not meeting meeting
that goal, that means that we

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10879-1
01:02:07.003 --> 01:02:10.289
need to provide more of an
incentive in that eco

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10879-2
01:02:10.289 --> 01:02:14.155
modulation for reuse for more of
an incentive in that eco

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10879-3
01:02:14.155 --> 01:02:16.732
modulation for readily
recyclable. Umm.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10899-0
01:02:16.882 --> 01:02:20.774
And that's how how you know, we
know that's how we can adjust

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10899-1
01:02:20.774 --> 01:02:22.092
our eco modulation.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10910-0
01:02:22.102 --> 01:02:23.852
This is what we're we're
searching for.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10918-0
01:02:23.862 --> 01:02:26.732
If we're not getting it, then we
need to.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10968-0
01:02:26.802 --> 01:02:31.755
We need to put more pressure on
producers if we are getting it

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10968-1
01:02:31.755 --> 01:02:36.629
then you know, perhaps we we
adjust just down the pressure in

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10968-2
01:02:36.629 --> 01:02:41.425
favor of something else and and
then the second section being

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/10968-3
01:02:41.425 --> 01:02:44.412
that investments investments
section.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11052-0
01:02:44.682 --> 01:02:50.360
So if we want regionalization
such that you know, I I don't

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11052-1
01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:55.091
have a good sense of you know,
an ideal amount of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11052-2
01:02:55.091 --> 01:03:00.769
regionalization, but but if
people do and that were to be a

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11052-3
01:03:00.769 --> 01:03:01.242
goal.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11065-0
01:03:01.752 --> 01:03:06.249
Then you know, I think you would
have such a thing that is, you

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11065-1
01:03:06.249 --> 01:03:10.536
know, you you you say you're
concerned with with formulation

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11065-2
01:03:10.536 --> 01:03:15.033
but you know if regionalization
is something we want to promote

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11065-3
01:03:15.033 --> 01:03:19.320
and we're not reaching that
level of regionalization that we

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11065-4
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:22.552
think is optimal then we throw
more money at it.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11075-0
01:03:25.732 --> 01:03:26.862
What's a better example?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11082-0
01:03:27.402 --> 01:03:27.692
OK.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11104-0
01:03:27.852 --> 01:03:32.854
So, I mean, the goal isn't
necessarily regionalization, the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11104-1
01:03:32.854 --> 01:03:37.522
goal is to efficiently have an
efficient system, right?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11117-0
01:03:37.632 --> 01:03:42.202
And and so regionalization in
itself is not the goal.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11135-0
01:03:42.312 --> 01:03:46.944
The goal is using a tool such as
regionalization to develop a

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11135-1
01:03:46.944 --> 01:03:50.082
more efficient and cost
effective system.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11139-0
01:03:56.922 --> 01:03:57.552
Right.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11183-0
01:03:58.102 --> 01:04:05.263
Well, unless unless you see that
you can identify in the annual

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11183-1
01:04:05.263 --> 01:04:11.872
investment and we feel that
there's a need or maybe the.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11197-0
01:04:11.882 --> 01:04:15.587
SO would propose right, that's
how the statue is structured that

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11197-1
01:04:15.587 --> 01:04:15.822


c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11218-0
01:04:15.832 --> 01:04:22.027
SO proposes structure and
department approves perhaps

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11218-1
01:04:22.027 --> 01:04:23.672
in the annual

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11286-0
01:04:24.602 --> 01:04:30.307
We think we haven't spoken with
system created, you know and it

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11286-1
01:04:30.307 --> 01:04:35.567
mid coast Maine and that's going to take
some coordination, but the only

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11286-2
01:04:35.567 --> 01:04:41.004
control the SO hands is to say
we're going to invest in your

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11286-3
01:04:41.004 --> 01:04:46.175
trucking company you know and
Knox County or or depots or

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11286-4
01:04:46.175 --> 01:04:49.562
whatever like whatever that is
right.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11303-0
01:04:49.572 --> 01:04:54.368
I think that's how it's only
mechanism right to get to to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11303-1
01:04:54.368 --> 01:04:56.022
regionalizations or.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11312-0
01:04:58.272 --> 01:05:00.052
Change the reimbursements.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11318-0
01:05:01.422 --> 01:05:04.442
It would encourage that too.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11323-0
01:05:04.612 --> 01:05:06.332
Because there's only two control mechanisms
you've got.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11338-0
01:05:10.622 --> 01:05:15.455
Maybe the town that says we're
not doing recycling and you're

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11338-1
01:05:15.455 --> 01:05:16.312
not, right?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11350-0
01:05:16.362 --> 01:05:18.532
Yeah, it's like we're just not
opting in.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11365-0
01:05:19.262 --> 01:05:22.252
The only difference is we talked
about that earlier.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11369-0
01:05:22.262 --> 01:05:24.122
Sessions happening looks knocked
down.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11376-0
01:05:27.672 --> 01:05:28.242
So I don't.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11483-0
01:05:28.252 --> 01:05:32.343
I don't know how you you get to
regionalization other than

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11483-1
01:05:32.343 --> 01:05:35.671
saying investment in
infrastructure as a way of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11483-2
01:05:35.671 --> 01:05:40.108
supporting some initial things
but then also coupling that with

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11483-3
01:05:40.108 --> 01:05:43.991
similar to eco modulation changes in
municipal reimbursement or structure of reimbursement

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11483-4
01:05:43.991 --> 01:05:48.429
I don't I think I'm not saying

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11483-5
01:05:48.429 --> 01:05:52.103
it's easy it's how else
statute allows that to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11483-6
01:05:52.103 --> 01:05:56.263
occur yeah well the statute
points to eco modulation and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11483-7
01:05:56.263 --> 01:06:00.285
investments it doesn't really
point to adjusting to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11483-8
01:06:00.285 --> 01:06:02.642
municipal reimbursement.
Right.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11489-0
01:06:07.692 --> 01:06:08.462
But right, you can't.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11502-0
01:06:08.472 --> 01:06:10.142
We can't make a municipality do
this.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11549-0
01:06:10.352 --> 01:06:14.075
You know, I think I think the
only mechanism there is, you

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11549-1
01:06:14.075 --> 01:06:17.482
know, they if they wants
inefficient system, you know

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11549-2
01:06:17.482 --> 01:06:21.520
they're not getting their cost
covered, and they want the efficient

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11549-3
01:06:21.520 --> 01:06:22.592
system then date.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11563-0
01:06:23.242 --> 01:06:27.527
Yeah, they're not getting
reimbursed, you know, on the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11563-1
01:06:27.527 --> 01:06:28.072
person.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11577-0
01:06:30.632 --> 01:06:33.848
And this is a more efficient
system than it's going to cost

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11577-1
01:06:33.848 --> 01:06:35.242
them less money with them.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11591-0
01:06:35.252 --> 01:06:38.662
So they're they're making good money through the
reimbursement and that's

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11591-1
01:06:38.662 --> 01:06:39.432
the incentive.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11594-0
01:06:40.442 --> 01:06:40.762
Umm.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11596-0
01:06:41.792 --> 01:06:42.752
I can see that, yeah.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11612-0
01:06:45.642 --> 01:06:46.732
I mean that would be one year
or two.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11622-0
01:06:46.742 --> 01:06:48.552
To Sarah's point.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11631-0
01:06:48.682 --> 01:06:50.862
the SO recommended back
to the legislature.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11634-0
01:06:52.322 --> 01:06:52.582
Right.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11667-0
01:06:52.592 --> 01:06:57.734
There was language in the NY bill

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11667-1
01:06:57.734 --> 01:06:59.692
that creates sort of a process.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11672-0
01:06:59.702 --> 01:07:01.492
where municipalities can opt out of recycling

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11697-0
01:07:01.502 --> 01:07:05.470
And the SO it will come from the contract

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11697-1
01:07:05.470 --> 01:07:07.902
that's that was part of the
dialogue.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11701-0
01:07:07.982 --> 01:07:08.592
It's not.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11709-0
01:07:09.072 --> 01:07:11.712
Yeah, but yeah, that could be an
area where.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11712-0
01:07:13.342 --> 01:07:13.702
Data.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11743-0
01:07:13.892 --> 01:07:18.125
Yeah, the system, it's
restructuring, but I don't know

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11743-1
01:07:18.125 --> 01:07:23.127
if all of the stakeholders would
would like the idea of the SO coming in and taking

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11743-2
01:07:23.127 --> 01:07:23.742
certain towns over.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11746-0
01:07:23.752 --> 01:07:24.032
Thank you.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11752-0
01:07:24.912 --> 01:07:25.702
So in terms of.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11771-0
01:07:29.622 --> 01:07:31.666
I mean, I would think would be
certain towns that wouldn't want

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11771-1
01:07:31.666 --> 01:07:31.762
it.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11777-0
01:07:31.772 --> 01:07:32.812
That's the other things are.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11798-0
01:07:33.682 --> 01:07:36.646
These are towns that already
don't want anything to do with

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11798-1
01:07:36.646 --> 01:07:38.572
the yeah, so that would be I
actually.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11801-0
01:07:41.272 --> 01:07:41.622
That's not.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11814-0
01:07:46.532 --> 01:07:48.662
So so I have a I have a hard
time.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11857-0
01:07:51.712 --> 01:07:56.637
And find it much, much easier to
and maybe that's because those

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11857-1
01:07:56.637 --> 01:08:01.023
are the the things that we
always see to to find the the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11857-2
01:08:01.023 --> 01:08:05.563
specific goals that have to do
with the right changes to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11857-3
01:08:05.563 --> 01:08:06.332
packaging.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11859-0
01:08:07.942 --> 01:08:08.372
Ah.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11886-0
01:08:11.712 --> 01:08:16.010
I don't know if it makes sense
to try to look at what some of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11886-1
01:08:16.010 --> 01:08:18.852
those calls are being, even if
we don't.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11934-0
01:08:19.192 --> 01:08:23.731
But uh, numbers on them or it
would make sense to think about,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11934-1
01:08:23.731 --> 01:08:28.270
you know, what can we do with
those infrastructure investments

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11934-2
01:08:28.270 --> 01:08:32.881
and changes those infrastructure
investments that are gonna get

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11934-3
01:08:32.881 --> 01:08:35.042
us to those efficient systems?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11952-0
01:08:44.092 --> 01:08:47.742
And I assume we're identifying
efficient systems based on.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11978-0
01:08:48.352 --> 01:08:53.312
I mean, I guess Quebec has a
really nice number that they use

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/11978-1
01:08:53.312 --> 01:08:56.352
and it's a weird number that combines.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12011-0
01:08:56.362 --> 01:09:01.080
It's like efficiency and
effectiveness, and it combines

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12011-1
01:09:01.080 --> 01:09:06.220
cost per time with tons per
capita and sort of like the goal

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12011-2
01:09:06.220 --> 01:09:08.242
those those are the two.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12102-0
01:09:08.252 --> 01:09:12.884
Those are like it's like, had
you known municipality is doing

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12102-1
01:09:12.884 --> 01:09:17.591
well in their collection, it's
the, it's a combination of cost

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12102-2
01:09:17.591 --> 01:09:22.372
per ton and tons per capita and
of that's what we think is the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12102-3
01:09:22.372 --> 01:09:27.154
sort of the overall system that
we're looking to that the so an

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12102-4
01:09:27.154 --> 01:09:31.338
optimal system would be the
lowest cost per ton and the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12102-5
01:09:31.338 --> 01:09:36.194
highest tons per capital, right,
right and and some right, those

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12102-6
01:09:36.194 --> 01:09:37.912
obviously aren't, yeah.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12160-0
01:09:43.082 --> 01:09:47.657
Is that something that we think
is we can say is an optimal

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12160-1
01:09:47.657 --> 01:09:52.385
system and umm, you know, maybe
you look at maybe you look at

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12160-2
01:09:52.385 --> 01:09:56.883
your investments and ohh just
is Jessica's hand up, does

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12160-3
01:09:56.883 --> 01:10:01.382
someone have something to say
other than I'm just sort of?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12162-0
01:10:01.922 --> 01:10:02.322
Yes.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12166-0
01:10:03.022 --> 01:10:05.512
Hello, it's Sarah again.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12172-0
01:10:05.562 --> 01:10:06.602
I'm not Jessica.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12178-0
01:10:07.262 --> 01:10:09.292
Umm, you can hear me?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12189-0
01:10:09.302 --> 01:10:10.702
I'm assuming it's OK?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12187-0
01:10:09.862 --> 01:10:10.242
Yes, yes.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12205-0
01:10:11.152 --> 01:10:15.816
Umm, you just asked a question
where those be like good goals

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12205-1
01:10:15.816 --> 01:10:16.042
to.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12221-0
01:10:16.832 --> 01:10:20.391
And I think if theory yes, but I
just don't wanna lose sight of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12221-1
01:10:20.391 --> 01:10:21.002
making.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12253-0
01:10:21.012 --> 01:10:23.955
Sure, that small communities
don't get left behind because

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12253-1
01:10:23.955 --> 01:10:27.148
goals like that could make the
organization focus on big cities

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12253-2
01:10:27.148 --> 01:10:29.842
and bigger communities in order
to reach those goals.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12278-0
01:10:29.852 --> 01:10:34.447
So I just want to get needs to
we have an equity component and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12278-1
01:10:34.447 --> 01:10:37.802
making sure we reach underserved
populations.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12307-0
01:10:42.452 --> 01:10:46.252
I think it's more commonly
happen my, you know, some of the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12307-1
01:10:46.252 --> 01:10:49.672
I you know this, the statute
doesn't limit the goals.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12317-0
01:10:49.732 --> 01:10:50.622
Just gives some ideas.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12389-0
01:10:50.632 --> 01:10:54.246
You know this the goal should
have something to do with this,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12389-1
01:10:54.246 --> 01:10:57.919
this and this, and it's nice if
there are quantifiable as much

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12389-2
01:10:57.919 --> 01:11:01.358
as I possibly can, but I don't
see any harm in having this

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12389-3
01:11:01.358 --> 01:11:04.564
general goals that the
stewardship organization in the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12389-4
01:11:04.564 --> 01:11:08.062
plan and you know that the whole
program could just work to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12389-5
01:11:08.062 --> 01:11:10.452
achieve, they're not enforceable
anyway.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12414-0
01:11:10.462 --> 01:11:13.413
But I think it's just nice to
have a a vision of what it is

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12414-1
01:11:13.413 --> 01:11:15.282
that we're trying to accomplish
here.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12435-0
01:11:15.292 --> 01:11:17.773
And as time goes on and we get
more data and we're trying to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12435-1
01:11:17.773 --> 01:11:19.562
reach these goals, it's just not
happening.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12453-0
01:11:19.572 --> 01:11:22.255
There's there's probably other
policies, other statutes or

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12453-1
01:11:22.255 --> 01:11:23.982
changes to this one that could
occur.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12457-0
01:11:25.022 --> 01:11:25.212
Um

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12465-0
01:11:26.012 --> 01:11:29.372
To help reach those, too, like
others policies.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12474-0
01:11:32.822 --> 01:11:34.282
OK, that's all. ohh.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12494-0
01:11:34.292 --> 01:11:37.242
And I was gonna say thank you,
Elena, for bringing up the the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12494-1
01:11:37.242 --> 01:11:39.002
eco modulation and the
investments.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12523-0
01:11:39.012 --> 01:11:42.435
That's where you know, since the
goals the some of the targets

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12523-1
01:11:42.435 --> 01:11:45.368
specifically recycling read that
recycle content aren't

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12523-2
01:11:45.368 --> 01:11:46.672
necessarily enforceable.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12569-0
01:11:47.122 --> 01:11:50.502
That's what I was gonna chime in
and say before before you did so

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12569-1
01:11:50.502 --> 01:11:53.882
much more eloquently, but that's
where we that's how we determine

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12569-2
01:11:53.882 --> 01:11:57.006
what the eco modulation and
where the investments should be

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12569-3
01:11:57.006 --> 01:11:59.362
made is and pursuit of achieving
those goals.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12571-0
01:12:02.102 --> 01:12:02.482
We.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12577-0
01:12:04.712 --> 01:12:05.402
Hang on.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12606-0
01:12:05.462 --> 01:12:08.044
Hello I don't know if I
introduce myself before

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12606-1
01:12:08.044 --> 01:12:11.272
actually, so apologies to folks
online but I this is Sidney

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12606-2
01:12:11.272 --> 01:12:12.402
Harris with Upstream.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12614-0
01:12:14.312 --> 01:12:15.762
Yeah, I I agree with.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12620-0
01:12:15.852 --> 01:12:16.952
I agree with Sarah.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12629-0
01:12:17.012 --> 01:12:18.742
I think overarching goals are
fine.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12635-0
01:12:18.752 --> 01:12:19.932
They're not gonna hurt anybody.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12663-0
01:12:19.942 --> 01:12:24.697
They're only gonna add clarity,
and I also just wanna pick up on

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12663-1
01:12:24.697 --> 01:12:28.062
the thread again of the reuse
refill targets.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12819-0
01:12:28.112 --> 01:12:31.315
And just generally the targets
that are sort of producer

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12819-1
01:12:31.315 --> 01:12:34.799
directed, I guess in that they
they are really about like the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12819-2
01:12:34.799 --> 01:12:38.396
choices that producers make in
terms of the packaging that they

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12819-3
01:12:38.396 --> 01:12:41.767
use for their products use
imperative that we have or reuse

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12819-4
01:12:41.767 --> 01:12:45.195
target in there because that is
what's going to drive as you

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12819-5
01:12:45.195 --> 01:12:48.792
mentioned Elena eco modulated
fees that's what you would just

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12819-6
01:12:48.792 --> 01:12:51.826
to get the outcomes that you
want and the investments

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12819-7
01:12:51.826 --> 01:12:55.310
especially although I continue
to advocate for reimbursements

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12819-8
01:12:55.310 --> 01:12:58.851
for any municipal investments
and to reuse if we're focused on

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12819-9
01:12:58.851 --> 01:13:01.773
not doing that and doing it just
in the investments

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12819-10
01:13:01.773 --> 01:13:04.807
infrastructure investment
section and that's really I

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12819-11
01:13:04.807 --> 01:13:08.291
agree with Andy that's the most
room for change in the system

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12819-12
01:13:08.291 --> 01:13:11.551
and so there is gonna be a
balance and he's like what did

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12819-13
01:13:11.551 --> 01:13:12.562
you just hear you.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12826-0
01:13:15.692 --> 01:13:16.782
It has happened before.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12834-0
01:13:16.792 --> 01:13:17.982
It will probably happen again.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12852-0
01:13:18.512 --> 01:13:21.070
I strongly agree that there is
more opportunity in the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12852-1
01:13:21.070 --> 01:13:22.512
investments if that's the case.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12871-0
01:13:22.522 --> 01:13:25.306
If all you can reimburse is this
current status quo, then

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12871-1
01:13:25.306 --> 01:13:27.562
obviously that's not allowed to
change, right?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12904-0
01:13:27.572 --> 01:13:29.902
So we wanna make sure there's
room for those investments, but

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12904-1
01:13:29.902 --> 01:13:32.044
those investments have to be
responsive to something and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12904-2
01:13:32.044 --> 01:13:33.622
that's something is typically
the target.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12938-0
01:13:33.852 --> 01:13:37.486
So that's why I think it's very
important for a numerical

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12938-1
01:13:37.486 --> 01:13:41.309
minimum in terms of investments
into reuse, because it's the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12938-2
01:13:41.309 --> 01:13:44.692
only enforceable thing that
we're going to have here.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12976-0
01:13:44.822 --> 01:13:47.186
But I also think a numerical
target for reuse is really

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12976-1
01:13:47.186 --> 01:13:49.761
critical, and again that can be
changed over time, just like

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/12976-2
01:13:49.761 --> 01:13:52.252
you're gonna change the fee
schedule every year, you know.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13003-0
01:13:52.262 --> 01:13:54.948
And we're gonna have data from
the needs assessment and data

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13003-1
01:13:54.948 --> 01:13:57.501
from the annual reports that
will add clarity, layers and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13003-2
01:13:57.501 --> 01:13:59.042
layers of ongoing clarity to
this.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13023-0
01:13:59.162 --> 01:14:01.824
So it doesn't have to be that
like I don't have a perfect

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13023-1
01:14:01.824 --> 01:14:02.512
number for you.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13075-0
01:14:02.522 --> 01:14:06.677
I think in our comments we said,
you know minimum 10% of of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13075-1
01:14:06.677 --> 01:14:10.416
covered products moved to
reusable formats within a I

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13075-2
01:14:10.416 --> 01:14:14.710
don't I would have to look at my
laptop, it's over there, but

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13075-3
01:14:14.710 --> 01:14:18.587
like a 5 or 10 year years of
implementation, it's super

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13075-4
01:14:18.587 --> 01:14:19.072
doable.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13103-0
01:14:19.182 --> 01:14:23.281
And I I know you would asked a
while back when you all posted

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13103-1
01:14:23.281 --> 01:14:26.719
the questions about the goals
you would asked about

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01:14:26.719 --> 01:14:27.512
consistency.

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01:14:27.522 --> 01:14:30.663
And I just wanna plug that like
reuse targets are becoming the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13133-1
01:14:30.663 --> 01:14:33.604
norm and unfortunately there's
not a lot of consistency in

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13133-2
01:14:33.604 --> 01:14:34.402
those right now.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13143-0
01:14:34.582 --> 01:14:37.412
But we do have targets that are
gonna go EU wide.

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01:14:37.482 --> 01:14:39.422
We have targets emerging in
other states.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13194-0
01:14:40.582 --> 01:14:43.926
I don't recommend strictly going
with what California did because

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13194-1
01:14:43.926 --> 01:14:47.117
it's very important to realize
that there are targets for like

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13194-2
01:14:47.117 --> 01:14:50.308
source reduction or reuse are
only for single use plastics and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13194-3
01:14:50.308 --> 01:14:51.372
that's not advisable.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13235-0
01:14:51.382 --> 01:14:54.748
I would rather see targets
across all materials, and I

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13235-1
01:14:54.748 --> 01:14:58.235
think it's OK to meet those
across all materials sort of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13235-2
01:14:58.235 --> 01:15:01.785
collectively, not on a producer
by producer basis or even

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13235-3
01:15:01.785 --> 01:15:04.232
necessarily material by material
basis.

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01:15:04.442 --> 01:15:07.968
So I think I'm advocating for in
fact more flexibility in the

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01:15:07.968 --> 01:15:11.373
targets than we see in
California, but some consistency

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13295-2
01:15:11.373 --> 01:15:15.081
could still be in theory like
25% source reduction, just not

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01:15:15.081 --> 01:15:18.850
focused on plastic, but just
generally with like 10% you know

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01:15:18.850 --> 01:15:20.552
met through reuse over time.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13308-0
01:15:20.652 --> 01:15:23.399
I also think it's important to
make sure the goals increase

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01:15:23.399 --> 01:15:23.842
over time.

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01:15:23.852 --> 01:15:26.422
So just add some sort of
mechanism like.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13352-0
01:15:26.432 --> 01:15:29.410
I think it's OK if we don't have
all the numbers right now, so

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01:15:29.410 --> 01:15:32.246
just add a mechanism so that
they can be adjusted over time

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13352-2
01:15:32.246 --> 01:15:33.522
as we get more information.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13363-0
01:15:34.102 --> 01:15:36.681
But please, please, please
include a numerical reuse

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01:15:36.681 --> 01:15:37.022
target.

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01:15:37.952 --> 01:15:38.402
Thanks.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13371-0
01:15:40.922 --> 01:15:42.072
Comment on that.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13382-0
01:15:42.172 --> 01:15:46.322
We're not changing the
regulation every year, right?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13423-0
01:15:46.832 --> 01:15:50.307
We are now, so we're not
changing the regulatory statue

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01:15:50.307 --> 01:15:53.967
there for you, which is why I'm
advising that in the maybe

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01:15:53.967 --> 01:15:57.752
required element for reporting
in the annual stewardship plan.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13430-0
01:15:59.042 --> 01:16:01.372
But those are those are numbers.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13467-0
01:16:01.442 --> 01:16:05.332
It's if you put in there,
they're gonna be in regulatory

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13467-1
01:16:05.332 --> 01:16:09.699
code and to change those unless
you create like a process where

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01:16:09.699 --> 01:16:12.974
the department can
administratively revised the

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01:16:12.974 --> 01:16:14.612
percentage or something.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13487-0
01:16:16.662 --> 01:16:20.328
Sounds like we're talking more
about annual stewardship

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01:16:20.328 --> 01:16:23.012
planning process versus
regulatory code.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13516-0
01:16:23.102 --> 01:16:26.182
And that's just where I'm making
my distinction is that if we put

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13516-1
01:16:26.182 --> 01:16:28.935
it in regulatory code, then
we're going to change it every

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01:16:28.935 --> 01:16:29.682
couple of years.

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01:16:29.692 --> 01:16:31.752
Then we got to change the
regulation of a couple of years.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13543-0
01:16:58.522 --> 01:16:59.812
You had a meeting with Elena.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13546-0
01:16:59.822 --> 01:17:00.522
I know you know.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13550-0
01:17:05.852 --> 01:17:06.142
I know.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13556-0
01:17:09.182 --> 01:17:10.472
And I didn't hear that.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13558-0
01:17:10.482 --> 01:17:12.032
Yeah, sorry.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13567-0
01:17:14.842 --> 01:17:15.722
We're not meeting.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13577-0
01:17:18.692 --> 01:17:21.162
I think that was just the the
House.

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01:17:19.072 --> 01:17:25.222
I think it's it's balance from
comments from the house.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13587-0
01:17:21.992 --> 01:17:23.382
I think we're alright, yeah.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13600-0
01:17:26.352 --> 01:17:28.142
Does anyone else have anything
to say about this?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13609-0
01:17:29.692 --> 01:17:31.302
I'm just gonna open it wide
open.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13618-0
01:17:32.772 --> 01:17:36.042
Yes, we got someone. Alright. Peter.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13620-0
01:17:36.292 --> 01:17:36.662
Hold on.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13627-0
01:17:36.672 --> 01:17:39.412
Let me make you a presenter.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13638-0
01:17:48.582 --> 01:17:49.562
Then you should be good to go.

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01:17:50.942 --> 01:17:51.692
Thanks.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13643-0
01:17:51.742 --> 01:17:52.692
Thank you.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13650-0
01:17:53.082 --> 01:17:54.572
My name's Peter Bierbaum.

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01:17:54.582 --> 01:17:56.472
I'm with One World Resource.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13685-0
01:17:57.402 --> 01:18:01.453
It's a I'm a small business
engineer out of Colorado and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13685-1
01:18:01.453 --> 01:18:05.646
I've I've worked with a variety
of different companies for

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01:18:05.646 --> 01:18:06.072
years.

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01:18:06.522 --> 01:18:09.854
When I listen to the
conversation on on how to get

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13696-1
01:18:09.854 --> 01:18:10.442
out from.

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01:18:13.132 --> 01:18:18.892
Basic understanding of of goals
and expectations through a needs

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13715-1
01:18:18.892 --> 01:18:22.082
assessment to establishing
targets.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13780-0
01:18:22.632 --> 01:18:28.275
What comes to mind for me is the
the framework that I've seen for

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13780-1
01:18:28.275 --> 01:18:32.721
environmental management
systems, meaning that what

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13780-2
01:18:32.721 --> 01:18:37.937
you're looking at to begin to
prioritize what to go after or

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13780-3
01:18:37.937 --> 01:18:42.982
is really conducting an aspects
and impacts analysis of of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13780-4
01:18:42.982 --> 01:18:47.342
what's gonna give you the most
bang for your buck.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13809-0
01:18:47.492 --> 01:18:52.158
Where are your biggest impacts
and then how do you establish

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13809-1
01:18:52.158 --> 01:18:56.289
that every year given your
limited resources and the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13809-2
01:18:56.289 --> 01:18:59.042
technology that's available to
you?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13873-0
01:18:59.232 --> 01:19:04.471
So I just wanted to throw it out
as something to consider as an

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13873-1
01:19:04.471 --> 01:19:09.792
existing framework that may make
a lot of sense to producers out

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13873-2
01:19:09.792 --> 01:19:14.948
there or basically any company
that has a, a, an environmental

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01:19:14.948 --> 01:19:20.269
management system or any type of
management system, whether it's

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13873-4
01:19:20.269 --> 01:19:23.052
environmental safety or
business.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13925-0
01:19:23.382 --> 01:19:28.965
It may be a framework to be able
to help establish specific

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13925-1
01:19:28.965 --> 01:19:34.083
targets, targets that are
accountable targets that are

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13925-2
01:19:34.083 --> 01:19:40.131
designed to meet your goals and
our ranked appropriately so that

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13925-3
01:19:40.131 --> 01:19:45.620
they can change from year to
year as technology evolves as

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13925-4
01:19:45.620 --> 01:19:47.202
resources evolve.

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01:19:47.612 --> 01:19:51.212
So just wanted to throw it out
for consideration.

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01:19:54.942 --> 01:19:55.442
Thank you.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/13948-0
01:19:57.842 --> 01:19:59.232
At most bang for your buck.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14011-0
01:19:59.242 --> 01:20:03.825
Sounds like, I mean the is this
one of the things this

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14011-1
01:20:03.825 --> 01:20:08.659
stewardship organization is
supposed to report back on an

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14011-2
01:20:08.659 --> 01:20:13.575
annual basis is, umm, the
results of their investments and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14011-3
01:20:13.575 --> 01:20:18.575
it does sound like that's if
there's a way we can work that

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14011-4
01:20:18.575 --> 01:20:23.492
into then right inform future
investments, it's certainly.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14025-0
01:20:26.812 --> 01:20:29.972
Something that we should do,
that's a good.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14029-0
01:20:29.982 --> 01:20:31.642
That's a good addition, I think
that.

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01:20:34.172 --> 01:20:34.512
OK.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14036-0
01:20:37.722 --> 01:20:38.242
Thank you, Peter.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14086-0
01:20:47.362 --> 01:20:51.035
We just had a question here at
Sunday River asking Peter to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14086-1
01:20:51.035 --> 01:20:54.402
maybe provide a link to what he
was just referring to.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14099-0
01:21:06.792 --> 01:21:08.832
Yeah, actually, hold on, Peter,
let me make you back a presenter.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14104-0
01:21:11.602 --> 01:21:11.822
You go.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14107-0
01:21:13.962 --> 01:21:14.292
Thank you.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14122-0
01:21:14.302 --> 01:21:18.722
Still no, I mean I'm a I was too
quick with the switch.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14124-0
01:21:20.962 --> 01:21:21.242
See.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14130-0
01:21:25.162 --> 01:21:25.632
This is not.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14132-0
01:21:33.252 --> 01:21:33.572
Yes.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14135-0
01:21:40.612 --> 01:21:40.852
Umm.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14143-0
01:21:45.772 --> 01:21:46.102
Sure.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14145-0
01:21:46.112 --> 01:21:46.622
I'd be.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14150-0
01:21:46.632 --> 01:21:47.542
I'd be glad to.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14163-0
01:21:47.552 --> 01:21:51.872
We look at environmental umm
aspects and impacts.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14199-0
01:21:51.942 --> 01:21:57.331
There's a quite a few different
standards out there, whether

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14199-1
01:21:57.331 --> 01:22:02.013
it's EPA's standards or ISO's
standard, so variety of

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14199-2
01:22:02.013 --> 01:22:07.402
different standards in terms of
how to go about identifying.

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01:22:08.442 --> 01:22:10.962
Uh environmental aspects and
impacts?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14218-0
01:22:10.972 --> 01:22:12.272
And then ranking them.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14233-0
01:22:12.362 --> 01:22:16.718
It's not a, it's not a direct
absolute fit because this is a

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01:22:16.718 --> 01:22:17.432
whole new.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14242-0
01:22:18.922 --> 01:22:20.212
Program being developed.

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01:22:20.222 --> 01:22:23.916
When you're when you're looking
at extended producer

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14285-1
01:22:23.916 --> 01:22:28.447
responsibility, but it gives you
an example of of an established

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14285-2
01:22:28.447 --> 01:22:32.768
system that has worked for years
to help companies go through

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14285-3
01:22:32.768 --> 01:22:36.392
this process, or I should say
agencies too as well.

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01:22:37.322 --> 01:22:42.903
When you look at, yeah, ranking
working with limited resources,

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14327-1
01:22:42.903 --> 01:22:47.437
technology being developed,
being able to have some

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14327-2
01:22:47.437 --> 01:22:53.018
flexibility from year to year as
you establish targets for that

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14327-3
01:22:53.018 --> 01:22:56.942
year and I'd be glad to send you
guys links.

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01:22:59.352 --> 01:22:59.662
Yeah.

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01:22:59.672 --> 01:23:00.052
Thank you.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14356-0
01:23:01.832 --> 01:23:04.785
He does that, something you
could do right now, Peter, or

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14356-1
01:23:04.785 --> 01:23:06.822
just email us and we'll make
available.

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01:23:07.702 --> 01:23:12.099
Yeah, I can find I can find
right away EPA's link and ISO's

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14382-1
01:23:12.099 --> 01:23:14.622
link has two examples to give
you.

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01:23:15.842 --> 01:23:16.372
OK, great.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14424-0
01:23:16.382 --> 01:23:20.122
One, if you wanna put those in
the chat 'cause I never disabled

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01:23:19.002 --> 01:23:20.392
Sure. OK.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14424-1
01:23:20.122 --> 01:23:23.921
it and then also email it to us
as well and we'll make sure it's

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14424-2
01:23:23.921 --> 01:23:25.732
available through the comments.

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01:23:26.482 --> 01:23:27.852
Absolutely glad to.

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01:23:27.512 --> 01:23:27.922
Great.

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01:23:28.032 --> 01:23:28.422
Thank.

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01:23:28.572 --> 01:23:29.032
Thank you, Peter.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14453-0
01:23:50.672 --> 01:23:54.092
So can we go back to inclusion
for a second?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14483-0
01:23:55.092 --> 01:23:59.028
This is because I feel like
there are some pretty strong

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01:23:59.028 --> 01:24:02.342
incentives for municipalities
to participate.

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01:24:03.632 --> 01:24:09.223
And yeah, I'm aware that there's
going to be some that will

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14497-1
01:24:09.223 --> 01:24:12.112
probably never participate. Uh.

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01:24:15.012 --> 01:24:19.884
And so while we certainly want
to make it easy here and and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14542-1
01:24:19.884 --> 01:24:24.837
make sure that we're giving
anyone the help they need, to who wants

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14542-2
01:24:24.837 --> 01:24:28.572
to participate or who expresses interest in
participation.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14556-0
01:24:29.862 --> 01:24:33.112
Now when you, Sarah, you
mentioned you know, 100%

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14556-1
01:24:33.112 --> 01:24:34.672
municipal participation.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14573-0
01:24:35.962 --> 01:24:42.042
Umm is that maybe 100%
participation a month?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14583-0
01:24:42.522 --> 01:24:45.033
Uh, for municipalities that have
expressed interest in

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14583-1
01:24:45.033 --> 01:24:45.722
participating.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14613-0
01:24:46.762 --> 01:24:52.157
Umm do you think we're going
after these municipalities that

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14613-1
01:24:52.157 --> 01:24:57.551
haven't expressed any interest
in participating and you know

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14613-2
01:24:57.551 --> 01:24:59.762
don't seem willing to to?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14622-0
01:25:09.112 --> 01:25:10.162
Sorry to keep bringing.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14646-0
01:25:10.172 --> 01:25:13.596
I know that you like said that
you weren't really wanting to

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14646-1
01:25:13.596 --> 01:25:15.112
like get too specific but.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14648-0
01:25:17.012 --> 01:25:17.482
Is this on?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14656-0
01:25:17.492 --> 01:25:19.612
Can you hear me OK?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14655-0
01:25:19.692 --> 01:25:19.952
Yep.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14661-0
01:25:21.812 --> 01:25:22.412
No, I'm happy to.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14666-0
01:25:23.872 --> 01:25:24.862
Trying to think out loud.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14704-0
01:25:25.852 --> 01:25:29.530
No, I do this to me was getting
at getting outside of just those

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14704-1
01:25:29.530 --> 01:25:32.925
packaging, you know, enviro
targets that we typically think

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14704-2
01:25:32.925 --> 01:25:34.622
of when we think of the goals.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14749-0
01:25:34.632 --> 01:25:37.509
And then one of the big goals of
this program is to help

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01:25:37.509 --> 01:25:40.537
municipalities out with the cost
of all this stuff and with

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01:25:40.537 --> 01:25:43.666
people that are the most towns
who want to do the right thing

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01:25:43.666 --> 01:25:45.382
and recycle and reuse and
reduce.

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01:25:45.392 --> 01:25:49.346
And so I think it should be a
goal of this program to or

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01:25:49.346 --> 01:25:52.883
resources and attention into
encouraging municipal

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14819-2
01:25:52.883 --> 01:25:57.184
participation and the way we
achieve that would be to ask the

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01:25:57.184 --> 01:26:01.485
stewardship organization to make
that a goal so that they hire

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01:26:01.485 --> 01:26:05.438
enough people and dedicate
enough of the time and energy

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01:26:05.438 --> 01:26:08.282
that they would need to to work
on that.

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01:26:08.292 --> 01:26:12.379
And knowing that, you know,
maybe perhaps that's not

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01:26:12.379 --> 01:26:17.005
achievable, but if that's the
goal is to or no municipality

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01:26:17.005 --> 01:26:20.012
left behind anything, then that
would.

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01:26:23.042 --> 01:26:25.362
Help direct you know that part
of the program basically.

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01:26:28.562 --> 01:26:31.716
And then I guess my other
comment that I brought up

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14909-1
01:26:31.716 --> 01:26:35.476
earlier was I just umm, I think
if you just have a broad goal

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01:26:35.476 --> 01:26:38.811
like a whatever percent
recycling you can achieve that

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14909-3
01:26:38.811 --> 01:26:40.752
by focusing on the large cities.

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01:26:41.002 --> 01:26:41.892
And I I don't.

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01:26:42.042 --> 01:26:46.230
I just wanna make sure that
we're careful not to just come

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01:26:46.230 --> 01:26:50.773
up with some numeric target and
be able to achieve that without

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14947-2
01:26:50.773 --> 01:26:53.612
reaching out to all the
municipalities.

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01:26:54.322 --> 01:26:56.772
Umm, maybe they're, you know,
it's a small town.

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01:26:56.782 --> 01:27:00.946
It's not going to really add to
that number, but I think it's

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01:27:00.946 --> 01:27:04.372
important to provide the
services to those towns

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01:27:04.372 --> 01:27:04.842
anyway.

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01:27:07.292 --> 01:27:07.692
That's all.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/14998-0
01:27:23.142 --> 01:27:24.242
I mean, I can only get.

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01:27:24.302 --> 01:27:25.082
Yeah, I don't, I don't.

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01:27:25.442 --> 01:27:27.882
I mean, I agree.

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01:27:29.652 --> 01:27:31.622
Yeah, I, well, I guess I'll, I
don't know.

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01:27:31.672 --> 01:27:36.361
I'll say that is that is pretty
typical in, in socially in a lot

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01:27:36.361 --> 01:27:40.401
of the Canadian programs, there
are goals for access to

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01:27:40.401 --> 01:27:41.122
recycling.

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01:27:41.132 --> 01:27:43.994
I think the difference is in a
municipal reimbursement system

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01:27:43.994 --> 01:27:46.902
where we don't have, you know as
we were talking about earlier

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15083-2
01:27:46.902 --> 01:27:48.102
this morning, there's not.

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01:27:48.112 --> 01:27:51.356
There's no way to make
municipalities participate and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15106-1
01:27:51.356 --> 01:27:55.201
then the SO isn't gonna have to
come in and backfill collection

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01:27:55.201 --> 01:27:56.222
where they don't.

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01:27:56.372 --> 01:27:59.851
So I don't think it's fair to do
like an enforceable goal, but

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01:27:59.851 --> 01:28:01.562
these aren't enforceable goals.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15149-0
01:28:01.572 --> 01:28:07.184
So I don't see the problem with
a like an ambition to get every

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01:28:07.184 --> 01:28:09.552
municipality participating.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15159-0
01:28:09.602 --> 01:28:12.052
And and there's ways that they
measure that too.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15188-0
01:28:12.062 --> 01:28:16.712
Like I know in I'm gonna say BC.
Nobody panic, but in BC.

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01:28:16.722 --> 01:28:19.622
I know they have goals that they
report on every year for like

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01:28:19.622 --> 01:28:22.568
awareness of the program, even
just throughout the province and

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15233-2
01:28:22.568 --> 01:28:25.376
how many people even know that
like there's a packaging EPR

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15233-3
01:28:25.376 --> 01:28:28.092
program and awareness of like
the EPR there, you could have

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15233-4
01:28:28.092 --> 01:28:29.012
something like that.

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01:28:29.022 --> 01:28:32.368
I mean, so there's lots of ways
to do it, but I I do strongly

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15250-1
01:28:32.368 --> 01:28:32.692
agree.

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01:28:32.742 --> 01:28:35.979
You don't wanna see in the
situation where the rural, more

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15286-1
01:28:35.979 --> 01:28:39.162
remote communities just get
completely disregarded by the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15286-2
01:28:39.162 --> 01:28:42.564
SO because they can meet all
their goals with, like Portland

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15286-3
01:28:42.564 --> 01:28:43.222
and Augusta.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15300-0
01:28:48.222 --> 01:28:50.232
I think there's also other ways
to do that too.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15336-0
01:28:50.242 --> 01:28:53.651
I mean, in addition to that, you
could have part of the criteria

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15336-1
01:28:53.651 --> 01:28:56.955
for infrastructure investments be
that you know they have to be

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15336-2
01:28:56.955 --> 01:28:59.472
kind of equitably distributed
around the state.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15341-0
01:28:59.512 --> 01:29:00.492
So that's another option.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15350-0
01:29:00.502 --> 01:29:03.472
There's there's many ways to get
it at that goal.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15356-0
01:29:12.212 --> 01:29:13.442
Lower median income.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15363-0
01:29:13.692 --> 01:29:16.432
Municipalities, you could focus
more towards that.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15373-0
01:29:16.772 --> 01:29:20.292
Yep, specific except something.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15403-0
01:29:53.812 --> 01:30:00.712
Anyone else from I think Peter,
that's your hand up from before?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15408-0
01:30:02.182 --> 01:30:03.022
Ohh yeah, he's got the.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15414-0
01:30:09.172 --> 01:30:09.782
Oh, perfect.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15421-0
01:30:09.792 --> 01:30:10.112
Thank you.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15427-0
01:30:10.952 --> 01:30:12.382
Peter, just put that in the
chat.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15431-0
01:30:13.712 --> 01:30:14.412
Thank you very much.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15448-0
01:30:17.202 --> 01:30:21.102
And will and we'll make sure
that's available on the on the.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15465-0
01:30:25.972 --> 01:30:28.364
He's going to email it to us, so
we'll make sure it's available

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15465-1
01:30:28.364 --> 01:30:28.812
in the yeah.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15485-0
01:30:29.922 --> 01:30:36.573
In the comment section of the
but the of this for this topic?

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15485-1
01:30:36.573 --> 01:30:37.002
Umm.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15504-0
01:30:40.622 --> 01:30:44.009
I guess, though nothing else
here, nothing else from the

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15504-1
01:30:44.009 --> 01:30:46.682
Sunday River room and nothing
else from the.

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01:30:49.502 --> 01:30:53.952
Worldwide Web, I guess that's
yeah.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15521-0
01:30:54.052 --> 01:30:57.112
That OK, right.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15529-0
01:30:59.622 --> 01:31:01.352
Well, thank you very much
everyone.

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15553-0
01:31:01.622 --> 01:31:09.422
And we'll see you with the next
meeting, which is May 23, May 23

c896a31e-24ea-4e90-90f1-f47b390a158c/15553-1
01:31:09.422 --> 01:31:10.502
May 23rd.

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01:31:10.682 --> 01:31:11.382
Thank you very much.