WEBVTT 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/657-0 00:00:05.823 --> 00:00:08.669 Additionally, a transcript will also be made of this meeting and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/657-1 00:00:08.669 --> 00:00:11.339 that will be available with any additional comments received 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/657-2 00:00:11.339 --> 00:00:13.133 through a link on the program's website. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/698-0 00:00:13.893 --> 00:00:16.724 This meeting is part of the stakeholder process initiated by 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/698-1 00:00:16.724 --> 00:00:19.276 the department, specifically on the topic of municipal 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/698-2 00:00:19.276 --> 00:00:21.967 reimbursements. The first meeting was to provide a chance 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/698-3 00:00:21.967 --> 00:00:24.519 for stakeholders to present comments and allow all the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/698-4 00:00:24.519 --> 00:00:26.653 stakeholders to review each other's comments. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/748-0 00:00:27.353 --> 00:00:30.544 The second meeting provides an opportunity for stakeholders to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/748-1 00:00:30.544 --> 00:00:33.835 ask questions of each other, and this meeting. The third meeting 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/748-2 00:00:33.835 --> 00:00:36.773 on the topic of municipal reimbursements is to discuss in 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/748-3 00:00:36.773 --> 00:00:40.115 more detail the calculations for municipal reimbursements and any 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/748-4 00:00:40.115 --> 00:00:41.583 other items we have time for. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/760-0 00:00:42.573 --> 00:00:46.046 The information from all the comments submitted and these 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/760-1 00:00:46.046 --> 00:00:47.543 discussions will be used. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/787-0 00:00:48.293 --> 00:00:51.389 As the basis for drafting rules that will be submitted to the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/787-1 00:00:51.389 --> 00:00:54.186 Board of Environmental Protection as part of the formal 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/787-2 00:00:54.186 --> 00:00:56.083 rulemaking process in December of 23. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/825-0 00:00:56.813 --> 00:00:59.621 Comments of middle is not limited to attendees of this 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/825-1 00:00:59.621 --> 00:01:02.327 meeting. The department will accept all comments for 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/825-2 00:01:02.327 --> 00:01:05.697 consideration that are submitted in writing. Additionally, new or 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/825-3 00:01:05.697 --> 00:01:08.607 additional comments can be presented at any time through 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/825-4 00:01:08.607 --> 00:01:11.363 the EPR packaging e-mail address found on our website. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/880-0 00:01:12.653 --> 00:01:15.942 We ask discussions be kept to the specific topic. Is this both 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/880-1 00:01:15.942 --> 00:01:19.230 as in person and virtual? We ask that those wish to speak, raise 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/880-2 00:01:19.230 --> 00:01:22.063 their hand and hold your statements until the moderator 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/880-3 00:01:22.063 --> 00:01:25.250 recognizes you to allow us time to mic you. So everyone hears 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/880-4 00:01:25.250 --> 00:01:27.982 your questions, particularly in lieu of our technical 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/880-5 00:01:27.982 --> 00:01:28.943 difficulties today. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/896-0 00:01:30.293 --> 00:01:33.051 You don't have to be attending in person to ask a question or make 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/896-1 00:01:33.051 --> 00:01:34.973 a statement. Just use the raise hand feature. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/927-0 00:01:36.313 --> 00:01:39.219 We will make sure that everyone wishes to make a statement or 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/927-1 00:01:39.219 --> 00:01:42.077 ask a question. We'll get a chance to do so. I will now hand 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/927-2 00:01:42.077 --> 00:01:43.763 the meeting over to Elena and Jessica. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/926-0 00:01:43.093 --> 00:01:43.543 No. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/931-0 00:01:45.743 --> 00:01:46.363 These girls. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/967-0 00:01:47.663 --> 00:01:52.039 So everyone, I'm unfortunately usually we're you're all muted. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/949-0 00:01:48.963 --> 00:01:50.743 I guess Amy has this issue with that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/967-1 00:01:52.039 --> 00:01:56.483 But right now if you don't mute yourself, we're gonna hear you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/963-0 00:01:52.683 --> 00:01:54.393 But now it might be the 5th state. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/974-0 00:01:56.943 --> 00:01:59.133 OK. But I think just might take the day off. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/979-0 00:02:03.283 --> 00:02:03.943 Just say that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/996-0 00:02:05.583 --> 00:02:07.620 I think you need to be here. Yeah, I don't think they're 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/996-1 00:02:07.620 --> 00:02:09.692 hearing you of that. I think they're hearing you being my 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/996-2 00:02:09.692 --> 00:02:10.013 computer. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1010-0 00:02:11.613 --> 00:02:13.758 Or you could try starting to talk. Can anyone here Jessica, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1010-1 00:02:13.758 --> 00:02:15.973 do you wanna start over there and see if people can hear you? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1026-0 00:02:19.533 --> 00:02:22.923 I think they're for your computer. Can you guys hear? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1019-0 00:02:19.963 --> 00:02:21.113 I think that night that night. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1027-0 00:02:22.453 --> 00:02:22.993 If you guys. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1031-0 00:02:23.803 --> 00:02:24.933 No you can't. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1041-0 00:02:36.213 --> 00:02:38.273 Yeah, just. Well, you'll be able to hear Jessica. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1047-0 00:02:39.123 --> 00:02:40.313 Yeah, Jessica, why don't you start? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1079-0 00:02:41.513 --> 00:02:46.160 I'm going to go ahead and get started. The plan for today was 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1079-1 00:02:46.160 --> 00:02:51.106 to break down the proposal piece by piece. I'm feeling a bit of a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1079-2 00:02:51.106 --> 00:02:54.403 need of hustle now after our delayed start. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1082-0 00:02:55.033 --> 00:02:56.463 Umm we. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1155-0 00:02:57.633 --> 00:03:01.184 Are not in need. We are. They can hear you. They're doing. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1155-1 00:03:01.184 --> 00:03:05.096 We're doing it through my thing. And you're sharing the document 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1155-2 00:03:05.096 --> 00:03:08.526 so everyone can see the document. So for these guys, but 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1155-3 00:03:08.526 --> 00:03:12.378 we'll get it up soon. Fearless. May. Maybe you have a copy. OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1155-4 00:03:12.378 --> 00:03:16.230 So the plan, this is very much a proposal. So we're looking for 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1155-5 00:03:16.230 --> 00:03:19.720 feedback. And as we were going to get through it piece by 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1155-6 00:03:19.720 --> 00:03:23.151 piece, we're just gonna break and and see if anybody had 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1155-7 00:03:23.151 --> 00:03:24.113 anything to say. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1172-0 00:03:24.743 --> 00:03:28.836 Umm. During during those breaks so that we can give it some 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1172-1 00:03:28.836 --> 00:03:31.973 consideration as we move towards refining it. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1184-0 00:03:34.733 --> 00:03:37.643 So if you don't mind, I'm going to be reading. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1187-0 00:03:38.293 --> 00:03:38.993 The document. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1195-0 00:03:42.913 --> 00:03:44.323 OK, so the method for. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1196-0 00:03:43.423 --> 00:03:44.553 Wait till Friday. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1200-0 00:03:47.643 --> 00:03:48.653 Someone not muted. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1202-0 00:03:51.613 --> 00:03:52.183 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1210-0 00:03:52.483 --> 00:03:54.183 Gary, can you mute yourself? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1226-0 00:03:53.233 --> 00:03:56.477 We have that chicken in there, the rotisserie chicken, and we 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1226-1 00:03:56.477 --> 00:03:58.883 have the salad. We could have chicken salads. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1237-0 00:04:00.063 --> 00:04:03.273 I can't mute him. I can't, Gary. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1240-0 00:04:02.973 --> 00:04:04.153 And we have that soup. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1247-0 00:04:07.563 --> 00:04:09.933 This is not going well at all. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1264-0 00:04:15.093 --> 00:04:17.609 OK. Yeah. Well, you just keep what? Jessica, why don't you 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1264-1 00:04:17.609 --> 00:04:18.973 keep going? Why don't you start? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1283-0 00:04:19.653 --> 00:04:23.097 Doesn't know where the where's it meaning right and so we can 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1283-1 00:04:23.097 --> 00:04:25.263 mute those folks if we know where you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1291-0 00:04:29.723 --> 00:04:30.723 And not get it to you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1293-0 00:04:33.303 --> 00:04:33.673 OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1305-0 00:04:34.403 --> 00:04:36.822 There is quiet, so I'm going to start. I'm gonna start reading 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1305-1 00:04:36.822 --> 00:04:37.013 this. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1313-0 00:04:37.623 --> 00:04:40.326 Do you want to start reading this? Can everyone still hear 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1313-1 00:04:40.326 --> 00:04:40.463 us? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1315-0 00:04:42.443 --> 00:04:42.973 Yes. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1317-0 00:04:43.603 --> 00:04:44.183 OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1339-0 00:04:45.933 --> 00:04:48.833 I'm in the meeting. I think that's what we're gonna do. I 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1326-0 00:04:46.383 --> 00:04:47.013 Yes. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1339-1 00:04:48.833 --> 00:04:50.783 think you're gonna just start reading. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1341-0 00:04:54.093 --> 00:04:54.383 OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1350-0 00:04:56.303 --> 00:04:58.643 Are you taking questions while you're reading? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1347-0 00:04:56.523 --> 00:04:57.373 OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1366-0 00:04:59.303 --> 00:05:03.759 Yes, Jessica's gonna pause throughout, and if you have 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1356-0 00:04:59.833 --> 00:05:00.383 Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1366-1 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:05.703 questions, that is when. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1378-0 00:05:06.473 --> 00:05:09.303 You should. You should bring them up right as as we go along. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1380-0 00:05:11.313 --> 00:05:12.033 Thank you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1443-0 00:05:13.193 --> 00:05:15.957 OK, so the method for determining municipal 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1443-1 00:05:15.957 --> 00:05:19.852 reimbursement needs to capture the collection, transportation 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1443-2 00:05:19.852 --> 00:05:23.370 and processing costs incurred for each packaging stream 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1443-3 00:05:23.370 --> 00:05:27.014 managed by a participating municipality. While accounting 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1443-4 00:05:27.014 --> 00:05:31.097 for the materials in that stream that are not packaging. So that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1443-5 00:05:31.097 --> 00:05:34.615 department we've derived the method for determining the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1443-6 00:05:34.615 --> 00:05:38.446 municipal reimbursement with the intent to capture the costs 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1443-7 00:05:38.446 --> 00:05:42.027 associated with the management of packaging material for 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1443-8 00:05:42.027 --> 00:05:43.283 recycling and reuse. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1460-0 00:05:43.423 --> 00:05:46.396 And in the case of packaging material, that's not readily 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1454-0 00:05:45.373 --> 00:05:45.943 You know we go. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1460-1 00:05:46.396 --> 00:05:48.753 recyclable, the management prior to disposal. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1477-0 00:05:49.823 --> 00:05:52.623 While the method for determining municipal. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1480-0 00:05:49.963 --> 00:05:53.573 Uh, I think the package is coming to your home. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1503-0 00:05:55.443 --> 00:05:59.834 I don't e-mail them question. This is a byproduct of the uh, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1485-0 00:05:55.453 --> 00:05:56.213 Reimbursement. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1503-1 00:05:59.834 --> 00:06:03.793 the fraud that was telling you about earlier, so yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1524-0 00:06:04.563 --> 00:06:06.493 I don't know why it would come to an address. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1526-0 00:06:05.183 --> 00:06:06.663 I don't know why we're coming together. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1529-0 00:06:05.723 --> 00:06:07.953 Can everyone please mute yourselves? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1545-0 00:06:07.853 --> 00:06:12.265 Like some random just is it like a prank? I really don't get it. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1548-0 00:06:12.153 --> 00:06:14.403 Should we reschedule this meeting? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1545-1 00:06:12.265 --> 00:06:13.283 It's just $200. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1567-0 00:06:14.783 --> 00:06:19.168 Like 6 apron Blues like ramen, like ramen pans on them, and I'm 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1562-0 00:06:17.493 --> 00:06:18.183 Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1567-1 00:06:19.168 --> 00:06:19.853 just like. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1570-0 00:06:20.173 --> 00:06:20.663 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1590-0 00:06:20.663 --> 00:06:24.042 OK, like did I accidentally like flight something in my sleep or 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1590-1 00:06:24.042 --> 00:06:25.913 like I just don't quite understand. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1594-0 00:06:24.793 --> 00:06:27.233 Jessica or Elana? Should we reschedule this? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1624-0 00:06:27.403 --> 00:06:31.725 That's coming today. So uh, you know, whenever you see it kind 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1640-0 00:06:29.063 --> 00:06:32.976 I'm hoping that we can get this that since everybody is already 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1624-1 00:06:31.725 --> 00:06:33.233 of ends, but you know. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1640-1 00:06:32.976 --> 00:06:36.033 done this, that we're close to getting this done. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1639-0 00:06:34.293 --> 00:06:35.963 I don't really know what to do, like I don't know. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1686-0 00:06:36.943 --> 00:06:40.690 Like accepting it will you know like it will be, you know, like 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1645-0 00:06:37.183 --> 00:06:37.673 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1674-0 00:06:39.413 --> 00:06:42.124 You give us just a couple more minutes. We may. That may be 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1686-1 00:06:40.690 --> 00:06:44.202 I whatever I just thought about think and hopefully they'll 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1674-1 00:06:42.124 --> 00:06:43.433 what we need to do here, but. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1686-2 00:06:44.202 --> 00:06:47.773 return the money. But if I have the item I don't quite know. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1694-0 00:06:48.813 --> 00:06:50.493 Ohh, I know how that's gonna go but. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1701-0 00:06:51.123 --> 00:06:52.123 You have to go difference. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1699-0 00:06:51.203 --> 00:06:51.663 Sir. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1703-0 00:06:52.943 --> 00:06:53.563 Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1720-0 00:06:55.383 --> 00:06:59.998 Is it cut her off? Yeah, she's gone. OK. Ohh. No, I think it's 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1720-1 00:06:59.998 --> 00:07:00.583 just OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1723-0 00:07:04.103 --> 00:07:05.053 All right, so. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1788-0 00:07:06.713 --> 00:07:10.378 Uh, so while the method for determining municipal 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1788-1 00:07:10.378 --> 00:07:14.776 reimbursement accounts for revenue from packaging materials 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1788-2 00:07:14.776 --> 00:07:19.247 sold, the cost for disposal of the packaging material is not 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1788-3 00:07:19.247 --> 00:07:23.937 included. So we are proposing a cap. The department proposes to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1788-4 00:07:23.937 --> 00:07:28.335 cap the reimbursable costs for recycling packaging material 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1788-5 00:07:28.335 --> 00:07:32.952 that's not readily recyclable and the reimburse bull costs for 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1788-6 00:07:32.952 --> 00:07:36.763 reuse of packaging material at five times the cost. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1837-0 00:07:36.883 --> 00:07:41.299 Per ton of recycling, the most expensive, readily recyclable 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1837-1 00:07:41.299 --> 00:07:45.787 packaging material, capping the reimbursable cost per ton for 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1837-2 00:07:45.787 --> 00:07:50.492 the management methods provides a limit on the reimbursable cost 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1837-3 00:07:50.492 --> 00:07:55.197 and to the extent that cost is a proxy for feasibility, it would 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1837-4 00:07:55.197 --> 00:07:58.816 limit the reimbursement for recycling that may be 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1837-5 00:07:58.816 --> 00:08:00.553 environmentally adverse. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1846-0 00:08:02.163 --> 00:08:06.843 Yes, we want to. Does anyone break there? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1867-0 00:08:08.653 --> 00:08:12.595 Yes. Any questions on that piece? Yeah. No, Sarah 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1867-1 00:08:12.595 --> 00:08:17.561 Nichols, NRCM. I was curious. Sorry. Hold on. Can people hear 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1867-2 00:08:17.561 --> 00:08:18.033 Sarah? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1888-0 00:08:19.633 --> 00:08:22.536 No, they can't hear. Do you wanna come over here? You're 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1888-1 00:08:22.536 --> 00:08:25.591 gonna have to. We're gonna have to physically, mic, you by 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1888-2 00:08:25.591 --> 00:08:27.373 coming over here. Sorry, you know. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1890-0 00:08:28.943 --> 00:08:29.333 I. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1909-0 00:08:30.733 --> 00:08:35.154 Ohh, they did hear Sarah. I just have a very quick question. I 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1909-1 00:08:35.154 --> 00:08:38.943 was curious where you got the five times number from. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1934-0 00:08:40.593 --> 00:08:45.351 Uh, we made it up. OK? Yeah. So any suggestions there are we? We 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1934-1 00:08:45.351 --> 00:08:49.743 went back and forth with numbers below that and above that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1936-0 00:08:51.203 --> 00:08:52.163 And. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1966-0 00:08:54.163 --> 00:08:57.152 We are very much open to suggestions on that number. I 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1966-1 00:08:57.152 --> 00:09:00.357 guess I was curious. Andy has his hand up? Yes, since just 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1966-2 00:09:00.357 --> 00:09:02.693 could that flow out of the needs assessment? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1983-0 00:09:03.913 --> 00:09:07.461 So that's what your program station things gonna need stuff 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1983-1 00:09:07.461 --> 00:09:10.003 prior to initiating the closing the plant. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1994-0 00:09:11.423 --> 00:09:16.353 And needs assessment to set, but likely captured be. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2027-0 00:09:18.643 --> 00:09:22.561 I yeah, I I tend to not like to pull numbers that have been 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2027-1 00:09:22.561 --> 00:09:26.675 there, but standardized not a good practice. So that's what so 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2027-2 00:09:26.675 --> 00:09:28.633 so my that's my could look at. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2062-0 00:09:30.713 --> 00:09:34.342 So the needs assessment you're saying would include maybe a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2062-1 00:09:34.342 --> 00:09:38.153 look at what those costs might be and then we'd have some cost 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2062-2 00:09:38.153 --> 00:09:41.721 to look at and and then think about what's reasonable. But 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2062-3 00:09:41.721 --> 00:09:43.233 then it should be capped. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2075-0 00:09:44.773 --> 00:09:47.828 But yeah, yeah. So say that should be capitalized. OK, so 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2075-1 00:09:47.828 --> 00:09:48.723 here's the issue. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2093-0 00:09:49.763 --> 00:09:54.051 Ohh yes, so the rule just says that it should be capped and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2093-1 00:09:54.051 --> 00:09:57.625 then the and the needs assessment places that cap 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2093-2 00:09:57.625 --> 00:09:58.053 maybe. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2114-0 00:09:59.343 --> 00:10:02.697 Determines that cap still wants to be at a relative 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2114-1 00:10:02.697 --> 00:10:06.109 number, I imagine. Fluctuate, right? You're you're cap is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2114-2 00:10:06.109 --> 00:10:06.403 here. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2187-0 00:10:07.433 --> 00:10:11.222 And the needs assessment or on an annualized basis, right, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2187-1 00:10:11.222 --> 00:10:14.754 because we're looking at variables in the equation and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2187-2 00:10:14.754 --> 00:10:18.863 they're gonna vary from year to year. So far, in particular the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2187-3 00:10:18.863 --> 00:10:22.908 year, a non readily recyclable packaging material might be out 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2187-4 00:10:22.908 --> 00:10:26.504 of three times cost if the caps say is 5, say the needs 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2187-5 00:10:26.504 --> 00:10:30.421 assessment says you're right on your guess which right five 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2187-6 00:10:30.421 --> 00:10:34.531 times the cost is the cap, but the materials may vary very near 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2187-7 00:10:34.531 --> 00:10:37.163 right, because that every, every, every. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2202-0 00:10:38.123 --> 00:10:41.784 Yeah, because I read it varies potentially per year based upon 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2202-1 00:10:41.784 --> 00:10:42.713 cost or revenue. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2242-0 00:10:43.463 --> 00:10:46.926 From the material, so one particular material might be at 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2242-1 00:10:46.926 --> 00:10:50.746 just one times the cost of the least of the highest cost by the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2242-2 00:10:50.746 --> 00:10:54.686 recycling material. But in other material might be a cap might 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2242-3 00:10:54.686 --> 00:10:57.073 be thought another one might be it too. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2247-0 00:10:57.953 --> 00:10:59.373 Right. Is that what we're envisioning? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2287-0 00:11:00.123 --> 00:11:03.719 Uh, yeah. OK, right. So it would be like it's actual cost, but it 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2287-1 00:11:03.719 --> 00:11:06.988 would not be able to go over that. Yeah. So I would support 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2287-2 00:11:06.988 --> 00:11:09.929 the AMERIPEN would support it flowing from the needs 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2287-3 00:11:09.929 --> 00:11:13.089 assessment. We don't like picking numbers out of thin air. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2287-4 00:11:13.089 --> 00:11:14.723 I agree with you or something. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2320-0 00:11:15.803 --> 00:11:18.810 We're doing a lot of agreeing right here lately. I think on 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2320-1 00:11:18.810 --> 00:11:21.816 certain points, Sir, there's someone on the with a question 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2320-2 00:11:21.816 --> 00:11:25.123 in the. Yeah, I did have another question. Oh, and yeah, Nancy, I 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2320-3 00:11:25.123 --> 00:11:25.373 mean. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2328-0 00:11:28.153 --> 00:11:29.053 You're Nancy. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2347-0 00:11:30.353 --> 00:11:34.388 Sorry, I'm just a question for reuse. Did you guys find places 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2347-1 00:11:34.388 --> 00:11:37.333 in statute where that is is to be included in? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2377-0 00:11:38.183 --> 00:11:43.097 Be reimbursement for non readily recyclable. So how is the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2377-1 00:11:43.097 --> 00:11:48.356 Nexus there between reuse and not greatly recycled materials 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2377-2 00:11:48.356 --> 00:11:53.960 made? Well the statute does say that the municipal reimbursement 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2377-3 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:54.563 should. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2424-0 00:11:55.123 --> 00:11:58.680 Umm, incentivize the movement of material up the heiarchy, so 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2424-1 00:11:58.680 --> 00:12:02.533 that's where that's coming from. Understand that. And then we we 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2424-2 00:12:02.533 --> 00:12:06.386 just we wanted to capture reuse in addition, it wouldn't have to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2424-3 00:12:06.386 --> 00:12:10.180 be capped at the same quantity, but we will also thought it was 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2424-4 00:12:10.180 --> 00:12:12.313 important to cap the reuse because. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2454-0 00:12:13.363 --> 00:12:16.925 It's potentially another one of these situations where, like you 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2454-1 00:12:16.925 --> 00:12:19.884 got maybe a couple of municipalities doing it. And so 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2454-2 00:12:19.884 --> 00:12:22.733 then your your median isn't gonna be a good way to. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2467-0 00:12:23.603 --> 00:12:26.990 To ensure that that cost is reasonable and and things are 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2467-1 00:12:26.990 --> 00:12:28.333 being done efficiently. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2473-0 00:12:29.993 --> 00:12:31.693 That was the thinking, OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2497-0 00:12:33.233 --> 00:12:36.468 My brain had tough time making the leap between me for 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2497-1 00:12:36.468 --> 00:12:40.231 connection between dollar value. Recyclable materials can reuse 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2497-2 00:12:40.231 --> 00:12:42.583 being sort of capped at the same right. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2548-0 00:12:43.283 --> 00:12:46.559 So they wouldn't need to be kept at the same rate. That's also 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2548-1 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:49.938 same also a number coming out of thin air. OK. And so that could 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2548-2 00:12:49.938 --> 00:12:52.954 also be a separate cap also under the needs assessment, I 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2548-3 00:12:52.954 --> 00:12:55.970 guess is what you would my guessing that's what you would 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2548-4 00:12:55.970 --> 00:12:56.853 tend to think is. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2568-0 00:12:57.843 --> 00:13:00.975 A better idea? Better idea than too. But it would be a separate 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2568-1 00:13:00.975 --> 00:13:03.763 sort of, yeah. Category. Yeah. Eventually in a separate. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2584-0 00:13:05.253 --> 00:13:08.573 Rate for particular time right. There'd be no need for it to be 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2584-1 00:13:08.573 --> 00:13:10.803 the same. Would that would necessarily be. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2586-0 00:13:12.393 --> 00:13:12.613 But. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2602-0 00:13:17.033 --> 00:13:21.490 Trying to figure out what what's the factor that that puts the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2602-1 00:13:21.490 --> 00:13:24.673 constraint relevant for reuse reimbursement. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2611-0 00:13:29.013 --> 00:13:31.143 And then for for reuse another question. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2619-0 00:13:32.393 --> 00:13:34.583 But they're paying fees into the system, correct? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2635-0 00:13:36.813 --> 00:13:40.504 Would you like to go packaging is paying fees into the system 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2635-1 00:13:40.504 --> 00:13:43.838 be my understanding here only initially, initially only 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2635-2 00:13:43.838 --> 00:13:44.433 initially. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2652-0 00:13:45.363 --> 00:13:48.228 Only the first time it's put on the system, so help me 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2652-1 00:13:48.228 --> 00:13:51.093 understand that if reusable is going to be reimbursed. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2661-0 00:13:52.213 --> 00:13:54.033 Who's going to pay for that in future years? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2670-0 00:13:55.703 --> 00:13:58.194 Because otherwise everybody else will subsidized reuse 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2670-1 00:13:58.194 --> 00:13:58.873 infrastructure. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2672-0 00:14:04.663 --> 00:14:05.473 Was. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2682-0 00:14:06.543 --> 00:14:09.500 Because you're you're part of. Money is gonna disappear. Yeah, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2682-1 00:14:09.500 --> 00:14:10.673 it's infinitely reusable. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2710-0 00:14:11.683 --> 00:14:15.105 Right. It's going to be drawing down on that pot without putting 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2710-1 00:14:15.105 --> 00:14:18.369 in without putting in, and so everybody else is gonna have to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2710-2 00:14:18.369 --> 00:14:21.633 subsidize that. Usually learn perspective, so may go against. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2715-0 00:14:22.443 --> 00:14:24.013 On the thought pattern but. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2758-0 00:14:25.163 --> 00:14:28.981 If if a reasonable if using abstractions, there's something 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2758-1 00:14:28.981 --> 00:14:32.989 that might be at home, refill there, it may not be a municipal 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2758-2 00:14:32.989 --> 00:14:36.552 reuse infrastructure. I might have drones still playing 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2758-3 00:14:36.552 --> 00:14:40.369 musical, have nothing to do with the municipal reimbursement. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2758-4 00:14:40.369 --> 00:14:44.377 That's my dream. I like. Well, in those wouldn't be we are not 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2758-5 00:14:44.377 --> 00:14:45.013 proposing. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2789-0 00:14:47.313 --> 00:14:51.186 Any sort of right? I mean I imagine this is I think most 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2789-1 00:14:51.186 --> 00:14:55.059 people think that this is largely something that's gonna 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2789-2 00:14:55.059 --> 00:14:58.863 be private enterprise. OK. So then, but if the so that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2831-0 00:14:59.603 --> 00:15:02.987 What we would be talking about doing here is if there was a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2831-1 00:15:02.987 --> 00:15:06.540 municipal cost, say, I mean I know that there are some systems 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2831-2 00:15:06.540 --> 00:15:09.811 and there's one at least one place in the southern United 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2831-3 00:15:09.811 --> 00:15:13.533 States that's trying to bring it through their. And so like if it 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2831-4 00:15:13.533 --> 00:15:16.691 were collected through the municipality, that municipal 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2831-5 00:15:16.691 --> 00:15:16.973 cost. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2855-0 00:15:17.853 --> 00:15:20.566 Would be reimbursable, not anything that we're that's not 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2855-1 00:15:20.566 --> 00:15:23.419 still outside of this system. Yeah, that's fine. Just trying 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2855-2 00:15:23.419 --> 00:15:24.073 to understand. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2873-0 00:15:24.753 --> 00:15:28.094 He still, I think, are going to have to then have reusables that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2873-1 00:15:28.094 --> 00:15:30.303 go through the structure, continue to pay. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2888-0 00:15:31.043 --> 00:15:33.882 Otherwise you're going to have this problem with your money 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2888-1 00:15:33.882 --> 00:15:36.673 disappear of your comfort pulling down without putting in. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2905-0 00:15:38.633 --> 00:15:41.354 So I'm gonna majestically for the meeting. Lynn Palmer's had 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2905-1 00:15:41.354 --> 00:15:42.513 her hand up, so I'm gonna. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2907-0 00:15:43.143 --> 00:15:43.793 Uh. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2912-0 00:15:45.673 --> 00:15:46.973 Like her bill. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2943-0 00:15:47.823 --> 00:15:51.618 Allow her to speak and then after Lynn, I'm gonna read the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2943-1 00:15:51.618 --> 00:15:55.349 chats in case they've been popping up and we haven't been 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2943-2 00:15:55.349 --> 00:15:59.143 seeing them. So I'm making Lynn a presenter right now. OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2951-0 00:16:03.943 --> 00:16:05.753 OK, let me give you hear us. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2998-0 00:16:06.163 --> 00:16:09.423 Yes, I can and I just unmuted myself because you allowed me to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2998-1 00:16:09.423 --> 00:16:12.785 do that. Thank you. My question is a simple one. I I really like 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2998-2 00:16:12.785 --> 00:16:15.682 the comments made by American there about how we handle 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2998-3 00:16:15.682 --> 00:16:18.890 reusables. That's an important thing to think through and how 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2998-4 00:16:18.890 --> 00:16:21.321 that's going to be funded because you will get 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2998-5 00:16:21.321 --> 00:16:22.873 contamination between streams. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3003-0 00:16:24.273 --> 00:16:25.863 Private versus municipal. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3025-0 00:16:26.633 --> 00:16:29.973 But my question is regarding the very last part of that sentence. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3025-1 00:16:29.973 --> 00:16:33.009 And could you give me an example of recycling that might be 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3025-2 00:16:33.009 --> 00:16:34.223 environmentally adverse? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3034-0 00:16:35.103 --> 00:16:37.943 Is polystyrene an example of that? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3057-0 00:16:39.553 --> 00:16:42.957 That's the one we've been going with is, you know, especially in 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3057-1 00:16:42.957 --> 00:16:45.994 the case of it not being densified, in particular, if you 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3057-2 00:16:45.994 --> 00:16:47.303 were to, I mean, there's. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3067-0 00:16:49.653 --> 00:16:54.523 Historically, we have recycled things there we haven't. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3116-0 00:16:55.363 --> 00:16:59.257 There's been a bit of a limit placed on what we recycle based 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3116-1 00:16:59.257 --> 00:17:02.649 on whether it makes sense economically. And so if you 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3116-2 00:17:02.649 --> 00:17:06.480 start reimbursing the cost, you have to be worried about, is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3116-3 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:10.123 there a line at some point, there's probably a line where 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3116-4 00:17:10.123 --> 00:17:13.703 you could recycle something. Most things are technically 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3116-5 00:17:13.703 --> 00:17:14.393 recyclable. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3122-0 00:17:15.573 --> 00:17:17.973 At some astronomical cost and. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3130-0 00:17:18.393 --> 00:17:20.653 Umm with you know. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3142-0 00:17:19.503 --> 00:17:23.013 And there's no market for it or no existing market. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3216-0 00:17:21.453 --> 00:17:25.171 And there's no or even if you've got some strange market, you're 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3216-1 00:17:25.171 --> 00:17:28.431 you're shipping something that's. I mean, polystyrene is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3216-2 00:17:28.431 --> 00:17:31.805 the sort of the classic example of, particularly when it's 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3216-3 00:17:31.805 --> 00:17:35.123 not densified because you're shipping air. And if you were to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3216-4 00:17:35.123 --> 00:17:38.211 ship it to, you know, California, I would expect that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3183-0 00:17:37.133 --> 00:17:37.523 Right. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3216-5 00:17:38.211 --> 00:17:41.071 that would not be environmentally, you know, I, I 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3216-6 00:17:41.071 --> 00:17:44.674 hesitate to, like, give a solid example because we're not sure 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3216-7 00:17:44.674 --> 00:17:48.392 where that line is exactly. But we we do think there's certainly 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3216-8 00:17:48.392 --> 00:17:48.963 is a line. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3224-0 00:17:49.333 --> 00:17:52.693 Yes, and that line will continue to move too as systems change. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3228-0 00:17:54.543 --> 00:17:54.983 Thank you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3235-0 00:17:55.613 --> 00:17:56.743 I'm gonna mute myself again. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3239-0 00:17:57.423 --> 00:17:59.083 Sure. Thanks, Lynn. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3245-0 00:17:59.803 --> 00:18:01.813 I'm gonna. We're gonna take a quick look at the. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3257-0 00:18:02.663 --> 00:18:07.622 Then I'm gonna make Sydney a presenter. So hold on one 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3257-1 00:18:07.622 --> 00:18:08.253 second. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3265-0 00:18:13.003 --> 00:18:16.053 And the chats make sure we've answered questions here. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3267-0 00:18:16.753 --> 00:18:17.923 Uh. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3294-0 00:18:26.743 --> 00:18:30.395 Sydney. Just make sure that re use is not captured, though that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3294-1 00:18:30.395 --> 00:18:34.046 it won't be enough to funding to incentivize municipalities to go 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3294-2 00:18:34.046 --> 00:18:34.433 for it. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3316-0 00:18:35.063 --> 00:18:38.647 Don't know what that threshold is, Dave. Can you make up a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3316-1 00:18:38.647 --> 00:18:42.533 practical example? I'm assuming the polystyrene was an example. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3347-0 00:18:43.333 --> 00:18:47.079 Well, this shared doc be sent out and follow up to this 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3347-1 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:51.292 meeting. Yes, it's already been sent out. Yeah, it's available 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3347-2 00:18:51.292 --> 00:18:54.703 on so. Holly, that's the question from Holly. It's 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3347-3 00:18:54.703 --> 00:18:56.843 available on our website in the. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3363-0 00:18:59.263 --> 00:19:03.215 Where? Yeah, where all the comments are right. Background 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3363-1 00:19:03.215 --> 00:19:04.713 info, background info. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3370-0 00:19:10.063 --> 00:19:11.713 Do we do? Can we show it on? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3384-0 00:19:13.063 --> 00:19:16.329 You want to navigate to it. On my computer real quick, she 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3384-1 00:19:16.329 --> 00:19:16.993 found it OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3392-0 00:19:18.453 --> 00:19:20.803 OK, OK, great. Now for the make. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3403-0 00:19:21.323 --> 00:19:27.933 Uh, I appreciate everyone's patience. I'll make Sydney a. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3412-0 00:19:40.523 --> 00:19:42.443 OK. Sydney, can you hear us? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3418-0 00:19:44.583 --> 00:19:46.233 I can. Can you hear me? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3421-0 00:19:46.913 --> 00:19:47.373 Yes. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3425-0 00:19:48.173 --> 00:19:49.573 Oh wow, hurray. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3441-0 00:19:50.933 --> 00:19:55.188 Yeah, on the, on the questions on reuse, I just wanted to add a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3441-1 00:19:55.188 --> 00:19:56.983 couple of thoughts I think. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3485-0 00:19:57.773 --> 00:20:01.322 First of all, I know eco modulated fees are a topic for 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3485-1 00:20:01.322 --> 00:20:05.124 another meeting, but the statute does also require those to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3485-2 00:20:05.124 --> 00:20:08.800 incentivise reuse, which to me means there's a reasonable 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3485-3 00:20:08.800 --> 00:20:12.665 funding tie in in an ongoing way, even if reusables are only 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3485-4 00:20:12.665 --> 00:20:15.643 paying a fee when they first enter the market. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3501-0 00:20:16.313 --> 00:20:20.265 I think it's important to remember that eco modulated fees 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3501-1 00:20:20.265 --> 00:20:23.413 do go beyond the traditional fee structure of. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3518-0 00:20:24.113 --> 00:20:29.351 Many of the like EPR systems of old, in that there is a little 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3518-1 00:20:29.351 --> 00:20:29.933 bit of. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3564-0 00:20:31.173 --> 00:20:35.275 I hate to use the S word, but there's a little bit of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3564-1 00:20:35.275 --> 00:20:39.045 subsidization through an eco modulated fee structure. By 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3564-2 00:20:39.045 --> 00:20:43.080 less, you know, quote UN quote preferable materials for more 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3564-3 00:20:43.080 --> 00:20:47.445 preferable materials. That's the whole point of giving credits to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3564-4 00:20:47.445 --> 00:20:51.083 some and malice fees to other. So I do think there is. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3596-0 00:20:51.893 --> 00:20:55.550 Any way mathematically for that to work out for reusables to still 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3596-1 00:20:55.550 --> 00:20:59.207 only pay once and then through that eco modulated fee structure 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3596-2 00:20:59.207 --> 00:21:02.807 to have that work out in such a way that there is some ongoing 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3596-3 00:21:02.807 --> 00:21:05.263 funds even with that said though, I think. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3668-0 00:21:07.033 --> 00:21:10.887 That will another factor, I guess, for ongoing funds is that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3668-1 00:21:10.887 --> 00:21:14.931 as producers are incentivized to switch more of their packaging 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3668-2 00:21:14.931 --> 00:21:18.722 to reusables, which is the intent of the that type of a fee 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3668-3 00:21:18.722 --> 00:21:22.576 structure, then there should be a steady supply of reusables 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3668-4 00:21:22.576 --> 00:21:26.304 into the system, especially in the first you know, 10 plus 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3668-5 00:21:26.304 --> 00:21:29.905 years as everybody's kind of making that change and that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3668-6 00:21:29.905 --> 00:21:33.759 should probably be plenty of funding. And then with all that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3668-7 00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:34.643 said, I think. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3730-0 00:21:35.323 --> 00:21:38.742 The startup costs are are usually the most onerous for, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3730-1 00:21:38.742 --> 00:21:42.406 you know, a municipality or anybody sort of trying to start 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3730-2 00:21:42.406 --> 00:21:46.008 up a reuse system. And I think the system should level up, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3730-3 00:21:46.008 --> 00:21:49.366 level out over time. So it may be that you just have a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3730-4 00:21:49.366 --> 00:21:53.273 mechanism to like, shrink that cap or revisit the fee structure 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3730-5 00:21:53.273 --> 00:21:56.448 and future plans and realize like this is no longer 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3730-6 00:21:56.448 --> 00:21:59.073 necessary. I just think that we right now. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3777-0 00:21:59.903 --> 00:22:03.685 Is it's. It's more of even maybe a shorter term goal for the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3777-1 00:22:03.685 --> 00:22:06.723 first couple of plan cycles to get these systems 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3777-2 00:22:06.723 --> 00:22:10.504 institutionalized. And then I think it could be revisited in 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3777-3 00:22:10.504 --> 00:22:14.286 the future. But right now it's so crucial. So just wanted to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3777-4 00:22:14.286 --> 00:22:15.463 add those thoughts. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3782-0 00:22:19.533 --> 00:22:20.603 Thank you. That's. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3813-0 00:22:26.373 --> 00:22:29.474 Yeah. I don't mean to get into the counterpoint here, but I do 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3813-1 00:22:29.474 --> 00:22:32.623 think it's important that I can nice Section 11 of the law sets 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3813-2 00:22:32.623 --> 00:22:35.231 aside entirely separate infrastructure budget that's 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3813-3 00:22:35.231 --> 00:22:35.723 meant for. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3827-0 00:22:36.563 --> 00:22:40.415 Investment startup costs those types of things, particularly 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3827-1 00:22:40.415 --> 00:22:41.993 perhaps in this case, so. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3869-0 00:22:42.963 --> 00:22:46.741 Either that doesn't need to be funded, or trying to to address 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3869-1 00:22:46.741 --> 00:22:49.979 all of the infrastructure needs through the municipal 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3869-2 00:22:49.979 --> 00:22:53.637 reimbursement rate loses some of that accountability for big 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3869-3 00:22:53.637 --> 00:22:57.595 projects like perhaps reuse. But I think there are other elements 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3869-4 00:22:57.595 --> 00:22:59.993 of it that we'll talk about later, but. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3910-0 00:23:00.813 --> 00:23:04.870 And I think we've got a concern about one of the I mean, if in 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3910-1 00:23:04.870 --> 00:23:08.541 perpetuity, if you play that situation out where you got 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3910-2 00:23:08.541 --> 00:23:12.147 supposedly high investment early through and to support 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3910-3 00:23:12.147 --> 00:23:16.203 reimbursement rate model, what's the we're talking about here? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3917-0 00:23:16.983 --> 00:23:18.403 That money will eventually run out. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3948-0 00:23:20.083 --> 00:23:23.197 At somewhere down the line. So there does need to be some our 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3948-1 00:23:23.197 --> 00:23:26.310 position because there would need to be some occurring fee if 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3948-2 00:23:26.310 --> 00:23:29.524 municipalities expect continue reimbursement or because they're 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3948-3 00:23:29.524 --> 00:23:31.633 not getting any revenue on that material. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3957-0 00:23:32.463 --> 00:23:34.953 Maybe they're getting a subscription fee or something 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3957-1 00:23:34.953 --> 00:23:35.183 like. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3969-0 00:23:35.983 --> 00:23:40.184 Some model have to be assumed, but you know 30 years from now 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3969-1 00:23:40.184 --> 00:23:42.013 that money will run out so. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4024-0 00:23:42.693 --> 00:23:46.229 That that's just my point is, I don't think we can assume 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4024-1 00:23:46.229 --> 00:23:49.887 because we've not done this before anywhere. Like looked at 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4024-2 00:23:49.887 --> 00:23:53.606 me As for reimbursement for reusable infrastructure. So just 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4024-3 00:23:53.606 --> 00:23:56.898 say one and let's not forget about section 11 and and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4024-4 00:23:56.898 --> 00:24:00.617 infrastructure budget that's going to be completely settled, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4024-5 00:24:00.617 --> 00:24:01.043 but to. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4044-0 00:24:02.253 --> 00:24:05.551 There needs to be from our position some continual funding 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4044-1 00:24:05.551 --> 00:24:08.849 provided if if municipalities are going to continue to see 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4044-2 00:24:08.849 --> 00:24:09.463 this burst. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4046-0 00:24:10.103 --> 00:24:10.573 For time. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4068-0 00:24:11.783 --> 00:24:15.521 Right. So at least at least funding until a point where you 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4068-1 00:24:15.521 --> 00:24:19.383 where you are expecting that reimbursement to happen to stop, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4068-2 00:24:19.383 --> 00:24:22.373 I mean like neither the system supports itself. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4109-0 00:24:23.293 --> 00:24:27.008 Or funny. It's gonna have to continue in like, 30 years out, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4109-1 00:24:27.008 --> 00:24:30.235 right? I'm using metal metal, you know, hands for my 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4109-2 00:24:30.235 --> 00:24:33.950 beverages. And that's the reuse infrastructure. I don't know 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4109-3 00:24:33.950 --> 00:24:37.421 what the Y that is, but it may outlive that that sort of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4109-4 00:24:37.421 --> 00:24:38.943 initial tranche of money. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4148-0 00:24:39.683 --> 00:24:43.397 Right. Right. That's, that's that's what we're doing. So 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4148-1 00:24:43.397 --> 00:24:47.176 you're gonna have to contain mean if Miss Patty expects 2 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4148-2 00:24:47.176 --> 00:24:51.085 cents for every time they wash the metal dins and send that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4148-3 00:24:51.085 --> 00:24:55.254 back to consumers through some infrastructure, that's then goes 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4148-4 00:24:55.254 --> 00:24:57.013 back into the reuse system. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4158-0 00:24:57.963 --> 00:25:01.003 And they're expecting a per ton reimbursement. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4186-0 00:25:01.723 --> 00:25:04.597 30 years from now, that may not be there might may not be there 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4186-1 00:25:04.597 --> 00:25:07.471 from the from the EPR perspective like they're they're gonna not 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4186-2 00:25:07.471 --> 00:25:08.413 have money coming in. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4195-0 00:25:10.353 --> 00:25:12.973 Yeah, but I feel like 30 years from now will be. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4208-0 00:25:14.183 --> 00:25:17.658 So many more stewardship plans, six more, whatever stewardship 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4208-1 00:25:17.658 --> 00:25:17.983 plans. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4214-0 00:25:18.693 --> 00:25:20.623 Ahead and that can be addressed. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4220-0 00:25:24.673 --> 00:25:27.073 So that but that reusable package. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4223-0 00:25:29.583 --> 00:25:30.313 Theoretically. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4250-0 00:25:31.233 --> 00:25:33.561 Belongs to someone so like if it goes so it's at the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4250-1 00:25:33.561 --> 00:25:36.284 municipality. I just am trying to think this through. It's at 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4250-2 00:25:36.284 --> 00:25:38.524 the municipality, the municipality is giving it to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4250-3 00:25:38.524 --> 00:25:38.743 whom? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4304-0 00:25:40.443 --> 00:25:43.989 Uh for myself? You know it, it would seem that someone would 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4304-1 00:25:43.989 --> 00:25:47.768 have to to. That would either be owned by someone, in which case 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4304-2 00:25:47.768 --> 00:25:51.372 they would pay the municipality or they would have to pay for 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4304-3 00:25:51.372 --> 00:25:54.686 that to get it with somebody's getting it back. And then 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4304-4 00:25:54.686 --> 00:25:58.115 there's either revenue or there's or the infrastructure is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4304-5 00:25:58.115 --> 00:25:59.103 going to be like. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4348-0 00:25:59.783 --> 00:26:03.317 Subscription service from some producer from a private? Yeah. A 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4348-1 00:26:03.317 --> 00:26:06.463 private enterprise. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't know 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4348-2 00:26:06.463 --> 00:26:09.941 what would envision. Yeah, is if it is, it is a consumer. I go 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4348-3 00:26:09.941 --> 00:26:13.529 down to my transfer station when I'm dropping out my recyclables 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4348-4 00:26:13.529 --> 00:26:16.013 and I pick up 3 pails of beverage container. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4427-0 00:26:16.513 --> 00:26:20.250 You know, elements that I take back and then I pick up take to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4427-1 00:26:20.250 --> 00:26:23.868 my retailer, that's a mess of infrastructure. So they're not 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4427-2 00:26:23.868 --> 00:26:27.664 charging me for it and they're watching the the bottles and I'm 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4427-3 00:26:27.664 --> 00:26:30.985 taking them to a retail, the retail selling me. There's 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4427-4 00:26:30.985 --> 00:26:34.484 nothing that that folks here that goes not not veterans is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4427-5 00:26:34.484 --> 00:26:38.161 not the right example but it's not what I think of right now. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4427-6 00:26:38.161 --> 00:26:41.542 Laundry detergent no. Like that'll pale right if if it's 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4427-7 00:26:41.542 --> 00:26:45.338 the municipality that's giving that to me and it doesn't matter 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4427-8 00:26:45.338 --> 00:26:46.583 who I refill it from. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4466-0 00:26:46.953 --> 00:26:49.972 Think that's playing some of the vision in this area? I don't 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4466-1 00:26:49.972 --> 00:26:53.136 know if they forgot it, but that could happen if, again, if it's 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4466-2 00:26:53.136 --> 00:26:56.105 municipal infrastructure, it's being used. If it's not going 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4466-3 00:26:56.105 --> 00:26:58.685 back to a producer to be refilled, it's the consumer 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4466-4 00:26:58.685 --> 00:26:59.123 refilled. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4515-0 00:26:59.923 --> 00:27:03.490 This is the real challenge with the consumer refilled. Is it, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4515-1 00:27:03.490 --> 00:27:07.057 producer refilled is dealing with some other states too where 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4515-2 00:27:07.057 --> 00:27:10.739 the language if it's not precise is not helpful and in figuring 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4515-3 00:27:10.739 --> 00:27:14.248 out how the how the stewardship organization is gonna manage 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4515-4 00:27:14.248 --> 00:27:15.743 this and collect funds so. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4539-0 00:27:16.533 --> 00:27:19.749 That's that's I guess my my issue is if if if it's consumer 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4539-1 00:27:19.749 --> 00:27:22.643 refill and maybe that's how you begin to bifurcate. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4595-0 00:27:23.623 --> 00:27:27.217 Somehow in the reuse category, which is where I think this 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4595-1 00:27:27.217 --> 00:27:31.260 needs to evolve into a separate, quite frankly discussion mode 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4595-2 00:27:31.260 --> 00:27:35.174 rule rate structure, I don't know if it's consumer at refill 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4595-3 00:27:35.174 --> 00:27:38.896 through the municipalities then then there is a recurring 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4595-4 00:27:38.896 --> 00:27:42.938 perhaps. But if it's producer refill, maybe that's not needing 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4595-5 00:27:42.938 --> 00:27:44.093 an additional fee. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4660-0 00:27:44.873 --> 00:27:47.578 Uh, because there's an arrangement with you, miss 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4660-1 00:27:47.578 --> 00:27:50.498 penalty to take that or there's no need for municipal 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4660-2 00:27:50.498 --> 00:27:53.689 infrastructure. All because you mail your 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4660-3 00:27:53.689 --> 00:27:56.609 pods back to the to the your espresso company. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4660-4 00:27:56.609 --> 00:27:59.746 They're taking that and refilling it instead of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4660-5 00:27:59.746 --> 00:28:02.991 recycling the aluminum, filling it, send it back. Chance of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4660-6 00:28:02.991 --> 00:28:05.912 subscription model. That would always fall underneath 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4660-7 00:28:05.912 --> 00:28:09.211 alternative collection program. But here over there say they 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4660-8 00:28:09.211 --> 00:28:11.103 don't alternate collection for me. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4725-0 00:28:11.833 --> 00:28:15.387 But that's that's producer based produce models, so there might 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4725-1 00:28:15.387 --> 00:28:18.719 be a way to parse it from many is it might not have that. I 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4725-2 00:28:18.719 --> 00:28:22.217 mean just thinking about this level. Yeah. And if and if if it 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4725-3 00:28:22.217 --> 00:28:25.493 were to go to, I mean it's apology saying municipality was 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4725-4 00:28:25.493 --> 00:28:28.602 gonna collect those Keurig things and send them back to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4725-5 00:28:28.602 --> 00:28:31.878 Keurig and in bulk then that would be something they 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4725-6 00:28:31.878 --> 00:28:34.043 should pay the municipality for. Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4740-0 00:28:34.943 --> 00:28:38.772 Umm, we don't know whether that would happen functionally too. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4740-1 00:28:38.772 --> 00:28:40.413 Yeah. So would that happen? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4744-0 00:28:41.333 --> 00:28:42.033 Action program. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4746-0 00:28:43.563 --> 00:28:43.883 But. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4776-0 00:28:44.903 --> 00:28:47.928 And if we have to consumer but it never gets, there's not the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4776-1 00:28:47.928 --> 00:28:51.148 policy because the consumer just takes effect to the well and and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4776-2 00:28:51.148 --> 00:28:52.953 then when you were saying about the? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4792-0 00:28:54.063 --> 00:28:56.648 You know, I think unintentionally this law 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4792-1 00:28:56.648 --> 00:28:59.293 actually refers to a reuse definition that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4821-0 00:29:00.823 --> 00:29:04.106 That requires a change of ownership of the container. So I 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4821-1 00:29:04.106 --> 00:29:07.335 think that we're not talking about producer, I mean consumer 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4821-2 00:29:07.335 --> 00:29:10.246 refill generally in this law, we're only talking about 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4821-3 00:29:10.246 --> 00:29:11.093 producer refill. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4831-0 00:29:12.143 --> 00:29:16.021 Umm, because of the definition of reuse that this happens to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4831-1 00:29:16.021 --> 00:29:16.593 point to. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4914-0 00:29:17.313 --> 00:29:20.814 So wait, you. So we're talking about producer refill. Yes, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4914-1 00:29:20.814 --> 00:29:24.077 we're only so that's. Yeah. So then it shouldn't be in 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4914-2 00:29:24.077 --> 00:29:27.636 municipal reimbursement. Well, if that's, it's a consumer 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4914-3 00:29:27.636 --> 00:29:31.433 refill and then it doesn't get back to the municipality because 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4914-4 00:29:31.433 --> 00:29:35.348 the consumer itself is taking it back to the store to refill. But 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4914-5 00:29:35.348 --> 00:29:38.789 there's gonna be the cost of Labor and processing. Bottle 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4914-6 00:29:38.789 --> 00:29:42.586 washing if that's the. If it's consumer refilled something just 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4914-7 00:29:42.586 --> 00:29:45.968 power. No. If so, it's a consumer refill. I buy a bottle 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4914-8 00:29:45.968 --> 00:29:47.213 of Jack from a store. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4920-0 00:29:47.603 --> 00:29:48.403 Can I use it? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4943-0 00:29:48.483 --> 00:29:52.882 Right bottle of Jack. Really. Frank. And I take it back to the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4943-1 00:29:52.882 --> 00:29:56.583 store to fill it. I'm the one doing the cleaning and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4943-2 00:29:56.583 --> 00:30:00.073 everything and municipalities ever involved them. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4968-0 00:30:00.893 --> 00:30:04.310 It didn't make the point for this. Shouldn't be reimbursed 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4968-1 00:30:04.310 --> 00:30:07.958 if. If yeah. Yeah. Apparently he's never involved. And why are 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4968-2 00:30:07.958 --> 00:30:10.563 we creating the reimbursement for that long? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4977-0 00:30:11.973 --> 00:30:14.603 And then it did sound like Sydney was talking. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4991-0 00:30:16.343 --> 00:30:19.903 Largely about infrastructure. Is that correct? Yeah. Sydney's got 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4991-1 00:30:19.903 --> 00:30:20.873 her hand up again. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4997-0 00:30:22.393 --> 00:30:24.013 Yeah. Neil has his hand up. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4998-0 00:30:23.593 --> 00:30:24.083 Yes. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5006-0 00:30:25.373 --> 00:30:26.803 Hold on just a sec, Sydney. Sorry. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5004-0 00:30:25.823 --> 00:30:26.333 Oh. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5008-0 00:30:27.183 --> 00:30:27.533 Sure. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5010-0 00:30:28.443 --> 00:30:28.633 Uh. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5013-0 00:30:29.363 --> 00:30:29.833 Yeah. I just. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5015-0 00:30:30.483 --> 00:30:31.083 The point said. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5019-0 00:30:34.913 --> 00:30:35.753 Can you guys hear Neil? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5028-0 00:30:38.483 --> 00:30:40.853 Tony, can you hear Neil? I can. I'll try to speak up. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5041-0 00:30:42.243 --> 00:30:45.228 Yeah, just getting a little concerned about bringing reuse 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5041-1 00:30:45.228 --> 00:30:45.733 into this. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5053-0 00:30:46.613 --> 00:30:50.523 Well, I think the the law is really focused on recycling. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5084-0 00:30:52.343 --> 00:30:55.812 There is some some verbiage in there about doing things up to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5084-1 00:30:55.812 --> 00:30:59.112 the the hierarchy, but I think like when is moving it out. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5084-2 00:30:59.112 --> 00:31:01.853 Shall we be trying to move it further along but. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5095-0 00:31:02.323 --> 00:31:06.213 Uh, I'm. I'm concerned that if we try to do too much. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5108-0 00:31:07.183 --> 00:31:10.808 That the problem was big enough as it is, would just recycling 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5108-1 00:31:10.808 --> 00:31:11.613 and including. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5131-0 00:31:12.453 --> 00:31:15.422 Incorporating reuse, it may be going to make it a little bigger 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5131-1 00:31:15.422 --> 00:31:18.345 and a little harder to introduce more risk to the project as a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5131-2 00:31:18.345 --> 00:31:18.623 whole. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5182-0 00:31:21.013 --> 00:31:24.494 I think maybe even we could even look at this meeting as an 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5182-1 00:31:24.494 --> 00:31:28.207 example of we've spent most of our time talking about reuse and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5182-2 00:31:28.207 --> 00:31:31.514 we're not really to the the heart of what the meeting is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5182-3 00:31:31.514 --> 00:31:34.879 about and the important stuff because we don't know about 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5182-4 00:31:34.879 --> 00:31:37.663 reuse and how it fits into here. So maybe just. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5198-0 00:31:41.303 --> 00:31:45.927 Consider that too, that it's it's something that we want the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5198-1 00:31:45.927 --> 00:31:47.443 button and it needs. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5203-0 00:31:48.263 --> 00:31:49.323 Yeah, a separate channel. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5214-0 00:31:51.633 --> 00:31:53.793 And they cut it off so that we can make progress on this. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5232-0 00:31:55.443 --> 00:31:58.796 Yeah. Thank you. So should we just let Sydney finish us up? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5232-1 00:31:58.796 --> 00:32:00.103 Yeah. Yeah. So, Sydney. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5245-0 00:32:01.363 --> 00:32:04.808 And we got Tony, Tony's gotta stand up. So go sending then 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5245-1 00:32:04.808 --> 00:32:05.333 Tony, OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5313-0 00:32:06.533 --> 00:32:10.084 Alright, well, I respectfully disagree. I think this is a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5313-1 00:32:10.084 --> 00:32:13.819 vastly missed opportunity. If we are not talking about reuse 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5313-2 00:32:13.819 --> 00:32:17.308 under this law, that is going to change the entire waste 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5313-3 00:32:17.308 --> 00:32:20.553 management paradigm in the state. And if we are just 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5313-4 00:32:20.553 --> 00:32:24.104 focused on recycling, we are not going to solve the waste 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5313-5 00:32:24.104 --> 00:32:27.961 problem. So that is important to keep in mind that that is our 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5313-6 00:32:27.961 --> 00:32:31.817 big picture. But I also think it's really important to keep in 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5313-7 00:32:31.817 --> 00:32:32.123 mind. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5319-0 00:32:33.393 --> 00:32:35.363 There are dozens of reuse. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5354-0 00:32:35.983 --> 00:32:40.561 Business models program models out there, and certainly not all 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5354-1 00:32:40.561 --> 00:32:44.780 or even necessarily most of them, are gonna fall under the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5354-2 00:32:44.780 --> 00:32:48.713 Maine EPR law or a municipal program. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5358-0 00:32:49.563 --> 00:32:50.233 I think that's. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5361-0 00:32:51.243 --> 00:32:52.793 Totally fine. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5387-0 00:32:53.623 --> 00:32:58.189 All I'm suggesting here is that we leave room for a municipality 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5387-1 00:32:58.189 --> 00:33:02.473 to do innovative work around reuse under this law that moves 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5387-2 00:33:02.473 --> 00:33:05.423 covered materials up the waste hierarchy. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5484-0 00:33:06.543 --> 00:33:10.291 And they should be reimbursed for those efforts. That's all. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5484-1 00:33:10.291 --> 00:33:14.346 So it's like we can't even we're never gonna be able to nail down 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5484-2 00:33:14.346 --> 00:33:18.155 every type of possible program model because they're evolving 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5484-3 00:33:18.155 --> 00:33:22.087 like by the second there's so many. But we need to allow the space 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5484-4 00:33:22.087 --> 00:33:25.773 for municipalities to take the lead if they want to on some 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5484-5 00:33:25.773 --> 00:33:29.398 reuse initiatives. And I I recall there was maybe an issue 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5484-6 00:33:29.398 --> 00:33:32.961 where it doesn't statutorily fit under the infrastructure 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5484-7 00:33:32.961 --> 00:33:36.955 portion, but I could be mistaken about that. And I know that's a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5484-8 00:33:36.955 --> 00:33:38.183 future meeting, but. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5547-0 00:33:38.903 --> 00:33:42.580 I don't have the statue in front of me, so that's something to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5547-1 00:33:42.580 --> 00:33:46.373 think about. But like literally all I'm saying here, and I think 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5547-2 00:33:46.373 --> 00:33:49.991 we just need to collectively kind of remember that this. Yes, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5547-3 00:33:49.991 --> 00:33:53.492 this is a new thing and new things are scary sometimes, but 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5547-4 00:33:53.492 --> 00:33:57.285 like, this is the thing that is gonna help us get past the waste 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5547-5 00:33:57.285 --> 00:34:00.845 crisis that we're currently in. And all we're saying here is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5547-6 00:34:00.845 --> 00:34:04.463 leave a little bit of room and opportunity for municipalities 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5547-7 00:34:04.463 --> 00:34:05.163 to innovate. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5554-0 00:34:05.933 --> 00:34:07.373 So that's, that's what we'll end on. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5626-0 00:34:08.883 --> 00:34:13.415 So I'm just gonna real quick. You brought up the last meeting 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5626-1 00:34:13.415 --> 00:34:17.216 we talked about the infrastructure piece specifying 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5626-2 00:34:17.216 --> 00:34:21.528 recycling. We looked back at the Statute in elsewhere, the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5626-3 00:34:21.528 --> 00:34:25.475 statute kind of contradicts itself elsewhere. It does 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5626-4 00:34:25.475 --> 00:34:29.861 specify that that reuse is something that should be that is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5626-5 00:34:29.861 --> 00:34:34.539 desirable there, that something that could be funded there. And 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5626-6 00:34:34.539 --> 00:34:39.289 we talked actually to our lawyer about that and she thought that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5626-7 00:34:39.289 --> 00:34:40.093 that meant. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5644-0 00:34:41.223 --> 00:34:44.255 In general, the statute seemed to suggest that it should 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5644-1 00:34:44.255 --> 00:34:45.633 be should it could be covered. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5646-0 00:34:47.023 --> 00:34:47.253 If. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5649-0 00:34:48.533 --> 00:34:48.903 Yes. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5667-0 00:34:49.853 --> 00:34:53.208 To clarify on that and then I guess Tony, and it actually 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5667-1 00:34:53.208 --> 00:34:56.273 we've got ton of Brunswick too well start with Tony. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5671-0 00:35:03.473 --> 00:35:04.013 Only you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5675-0 00:35:05.343 --> 00:35:06.413 Got the floor. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5679-0 00:35:12.913 --> 00:35:13.863 Tony, can you hear us? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5682-0 00:35:15.553 --> 00:35:16.363 From Newtown. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5687-0 00:35:17.453 --> 00:35:18.593 Yeah. Can you hear me now? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5692-0 00:35:19.013 --> 00:35:19.543 Yeah. Yep. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5693-0 00:35:19.453 --> 00:35:19.833 Yep. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5706-0 00:35:21.793 --> 00:35:26.035 Someone just made the comment to let the municipalities take the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5706-1 00:35:26.035 --> 00:35:26.883 lead in this. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5713-0 00:35:27.913 --> 00:35:29.883 I read through these 10 pages. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5717-0 00:35:31.483 --> 00:35:33.693 And I went OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5723-0 00:35:34.783 --> 00:35:36.073 Now read it again. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5726-0 00:35:39.823 --> 00:35:40.443 The Municipality. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5731-0 00:35:43.403 --> 00:35:44.453 This this is. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5736-0 00:35:47.063 --> 00:35:48.733 I think gonna separate. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5741-0 00:35:50.403 --> 00:35:51.583 The big from the little. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5797-0 00:35:52.303 --> 00:35:56.288 The this plans good. It's a it's. I like the plan right 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5797-1 00:35:56.288 --> 00:36:00.131 after this process, we've got the math, we've got the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5797-2 00:36:00.131 --> 00:36:04.258 formulas. Now let's see if we can make it simpler for the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5797-3 00:36:04.258 --> 00:36:08.669 common person such as myself to understand and not have to go 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5797-4 00:36:08.669 --> 00:36:12.013 out and hire the technology to implement this. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5799-0 00:36:13.203 --> 00:36:13.673 Uh. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5808-0 00:36:15.093 --> 00:36:19.683 These are these are complicated calculations for the layman, me. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5827-0 00:36:21.153 --> 00:36:25.508 And I think you might, we might have some municipalities that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5827-1 00:36:25.508 --> 00:36:28.950 are gung ho for this cause they'll hear the word 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5827-2 00:36:28.950 --> 00:36:29.933 reimbursement. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5829-0 00:36:31.323 --> 00:36:31.823 But. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5847-0 00:36:32.893 --> 00:36:36.895 They'll drop off by the wayside when they realize how much work 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5847-1 00:36:36.895 --> 00:36:40.271 is involved in providing collecting and providing the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5847-2 00:36:40.271 --> 00:36:40.583 data. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5854-0 00:36:41.383 --> 00:36:42.763 To get the reimbursement. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5876-0 00:36:45.123 --> 00:36:48.862 They're gonna be a lot of municipalities that either don't 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5876-1 00:36:48.862 --> 00:36:52.410 have the expertise on staff or can't afford to hire the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5876-2 00:36:52.410 --> 00:36:53.043 expertise. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5891-0 00:36:53.973 --> 00:36:58.129 To implement this, whether it's recycling and reuse, whether 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5891-1 00:36:58.129 --> 00:37:00.513 it's reuse and recycling it, it's. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5897-0 00:37:02.163 --> 00:37:03.953 For collecting data by hand. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5901-0 00:37:06.063 --> 00:37:06.813 This this is. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5916-0 00:37:08.453 --> 00:37:12.817 Extremely complicated and we've just spent about 40 minutes 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5916-1 00:37:12.817 --> 00:37:16.453 getting halfway through the first paragraph here. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5931-0 00:37:17.343 --> 00:37:21.673 Uh, trying to just agree on is it reuse and recycle or or or 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5931-1 00:37:21.673 --> 00:37:22.453 what is it? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5950-0 00:37:26.073 --> 00:37:31.072 I like math. Who's one of my majors, but this this is a this 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5950-1 00:37:31.072 --> 00:37:32.383 is big. This is. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5960-0 00:37:33.953 --> 00:37:37.943 Stumbling, fumbling big in my opinion it it needs to be. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5981-0 00:37:38.733 --> 00:37:42.268 And maybe it will. Maybe you shoot for the moon and then 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5981-1 00:37:42.268 --> 00:37:45.865 wind it down to something that is a little more readily 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5981-2 00:37:45.865 --> 00:37:46.423 workable. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5983-0 00:37:47.513 --> 00:37:48.113 Uh. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5990-0 00:37:50.823 --> 00:37:53.273 It's it's, and it's gonna take. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5999-0 00:37:54.813 --> 00:37:56.503 Some financial incentives. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6022-0 00:37:57.783 --> 00:38:01.323 For some of the a lot of the and I bet most of the municipalities 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6022-1 00:38:01.323 --> 00:38:03.843 after a period of time to participate in this. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6029-0 00:38:04.993 --> 00:38:06.903 It it needs to be. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6034-0 00:38:08.613 --> 00:38:11.643 Quite a bit more straightforward. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6059-0 00:38:13.913 --> 00:38:18.535 What the example shown like a a mention in the past on a bunch 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6059-1 00:38:18.535 --> 00:38:23.083 of things that we need examples for, but this this is rather. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6061-0 00:38:23.843 --> 00:38:24.783 Overwhelming. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6070-0 00:38:27.343 --> 00:38:29.973 Unless you're in a position to be teaching it, then you've. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6084-0 00:38:31.333 --> 00:38:34.485 Absorbed it quite well. You probably like. You folks did 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6084-1 00:38:34.485 --> 00:38:36.033 work on putting it together. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6100-0 00:38:39.623 --> 00:38:42.093 Yes. And you and it's a good, it's a sorry, go ahead. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6097-0 00:38:39.893 --> 00:38:40.633 But yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6106-0 00:38:42.503 --> 00:38:45.283 No, I and I was gonna say OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6126-0 00:38:46.113 --> 00:38:49.432 Like I'm sorry, pal. From AMERIPEN we we we've each 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6126-1 00:38:49.432 --> 00:38:52.303 meeting, we tend to agree a little bit more. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6129-0 00:38:52.953 --> 00:38:53.623 On things. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6135-0 00:38:54.913 --> 00:38:56.363 You can't remember the fellow's name. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6138-0 00:38:56.993 --> 00:38:57.513 Andy. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6160-0 00:38:57.533 --> 00:39:01.479 Andy. Andy. Yeah, I I we've gotta keep this simple early on. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6160-1 00:39:01.479 --> 00:39:05.165 I don't disagree with keeping the window a door open for 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6160-2 00:39:05.165 --> 00:39:05.553 reuse. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6162-0 00:39:06.773 --> 00:39:07.283 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6181-0 00:39:10.593 --> 00:39:14.762 But if we bury the people with too much early on, we're we're 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6181-1 00:39:14.762 --> 00:39:16.913 not gonna have any participants. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6190-0 00:39:18.133 --> 00:39:20.514 Unless you're the larger communities, the wealthier 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6190-1 00:39:20.514 --> 00:39:21.063 communities. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6201-0 00:39:23.093 --> 00:39:25.233 Like, which might be one in the same at times. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6203-0 00:39:25.913 --> 00:39:26.603 To. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6227-0 00:39:27.683 --> 00:39:31.292 Be able to dedicate the time and the and the finances to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6227-1 00:39:31.292 --> 00:39:34.964 developing their programs, but go ahead. You you was that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6227-2 00:39:34.964 --> 00:39:36.103 Elena or Jessica? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6268-0 00:39:37.113 --> 00:39:40.520 It was me. I was just gonna say I your point is well, you know, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6268-1 00:39:40.520 --> 00:39:43.821 well taken. We we've spent. I don't even want to tell you how 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6268-2 00:39:43.821 --> 00:39:45.843 many hours we spent on this. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6264-0 00:39:44.683 --> 00:39:45.153 Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6326-0 00:39:47.303 --> 00:39:51.433 And but as we go through, we are hoping soon as we get through 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6326-1 00:39:51.433 --> 00:39:55.563 these first couple paragraphs to go through it piece by piece. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6326-2 00:39:55.563 --> 00:39:59.890 And if you can and and point out what is the municipal data point 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6326-3 00:39:59.890 --> 00:40:03.757 that we're hoping for and if that's when we really when we 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6326-4 00:40:03.757 --> 00:40:07.953 get to those places that you're like, no way please like that's 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6326-5 00:40:07.953 --> 00:40:11.033 make sure you you chime in at that moment too. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6329-0 00:40:12.083 --> 00:40:12.393 Well. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6331-0 00:40:12.203 --> 00:40:13.283 That would be very helpful. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6358-0 00:40:13.903 --> 00:40:18.108 Well, I I don't know if I put my finger on, but just looking at 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6358-1 00:40:18.108 --> 00:40:22.312 the math and the interpretation of the of the definition of the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6358-2 00:40:22.312 --> 00:40:23.823 definitions that go in. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6370-0 00:40:25.063 --> 00:40:27.913 And how are you going to be measuring some of these things? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6377-0 00:40:32.813 --> 00:40:33.953 It's. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6383-0 00:40:35.583 --> 00:40:36.653 It's a lot of work. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6386-0 00:40:38.003 --> 00:40:38.333 Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6395-0 00:40:38.193 --> 00:40:41.435 A lot of work and I just don't want to. I'm not to say 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6395-1 00:40:41.435 --> 00:40:43.143 proletariat, the bourgeoisie. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6402-0 00:40:44.933 --> 00:40:46.993 Have the the vast divide there. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6404-0 00:40:47.773 --> 00:40:48.263 But. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6410-0 00:40:49.843 --> 00:40:51.963 People might go in it with good intentions. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6414-0 00:40:52.963 --> 00:40:53.893 If we can. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6426-0 00:40:54.803 --> 00:40:58.606 Get it down to where it's readily implemented 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6426-1 00:40:58.606 --> 00:40:59.763 implementable. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6428-0 00:41:01.213 --> 00:41:01.733 But. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6437-0 00:41:02.433 --> 00:41:05.333 This this is this is overwhelming at first blush. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6464-0 00:41:06.913 --> 00:41:11.676 Yes. Wow, agreed. Thank you. And we are hoping, we're hoping that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6442-0 00:41:07.133 --> 00:41:07.653 Thank you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6464-1 00:41:11.676 --> 00:41:16.223 the SO can can pull some of the weight on that, but thank you, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6464-2 00:41:16.223 --> 00:41:16.583 Tony. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6468-0 00:41:16.713 --> 00:41:18.443 Yeah. Well, that that was. Excuse me. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6484-0 00:41:20.573 --> 00:41:23.683 OK, I'm glad you mentioned yes, though, and their 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6484-1 00:41:23.683 --> 00:41:27.600 responsibility. Thank you. That that's a completely overlooked 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6484-2 00:41:27.600 --> 00:41:27.973 by me. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6502-0 00:41:29.493 --> 00:41:32.755 Yeah. Well, I don't think completely. I I think your point 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6502-1 00:41:32.755 --> 00:41:35.243 is, is is well taken, it is, it's a lot and. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6537-0 00:41:35.873 --> 00:41:39.610 And I'm sure that it we're we're hoping that once we go through 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6537-1 00:41:39.610 --> 00:41:42.879 this, it'll seem a little clearer and that and that the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6527-0 00:41:41.903 --> 00:41:42.593 Mm-hmm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6537-2 00:41:42.879 --> 00:41:45.798 places that still seem problematic, we can we can 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6537-3 00:41:45.798 --> 00:41:46.323 identify. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6540-0 00:41:46.783 --> 00:41:47.133 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6565-0 00:41:47.283 --> 00:41:50.515 Then, yeah, but you're right. They also would have some 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6565-1 00:41:50.515 --> 00:41:54.323 responsibility, and we're hoping that the VSO is gonna to make it 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6565-2 00:41:54.323 --> 00:41:55.073 simple. Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6586-0 00:41:54.593 --> 00:41:58.798 And that and that would be that would be their included in their 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6586-1 00:41:58.798 --> 00:42:02.615 work tasks that they would address in their response to an 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6586-2 00:42:02.615 --> 00:42:02.873 RFP. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6588-0 00:42:04.293 --> 00:42:04.823 Correct. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6596-0 00:42:07.123 --> 00:42:10.793 OK, I'm gonna let town of Brunswick as a presenter. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6603-0 00:42:12.083 --> 00:42:13.873 Yep, I was all set. Thank you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6606-0 00:42:14.363 --> 00:42:15.003 Thanks Tony. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6613-0 00:42:18.833 --> 00:42:20.453 Uh, hi everyone. Can you hear me? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6616-0 00:42:21.123 --> 00:42:21.873 Yep, yes. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6631-0 00:42:22.093 --> 00:42:25.563 Uh, hi everyone. Chrissy Adamowicz with the town of Brunswick. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6660-0 00:42:26.703 --> 00:42:30.601 I just wanted to throw out there too, just to remind everybody 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6660-1 00:42:30.601 --> 00:42:34.623 that these programs are used all over the world by jurisdictions 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6660-2 00:42:34.623 --> 00:42:38.273 that are in similar size to Maine. So I wonder if we could. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6699-0 00:42:38.773 --> 00:42:41.587 Umm if or if the department could talk to those 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6699-1 00:42:41.587 --> 00:42:45.046 jurisdictions to see how they're dealing with the issue of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6699-2 00:42:45.046 --> 00:42:48.446 reasonable as, as as the world is adopting that method of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6699-3 00:42:48.446 --> 00:42:52.081 packaging more and more, and to talk to them about the trends 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6699-4 00:42:52.081 --> 00:42:55.363 and and sort of the cutting edge ways of managing that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6775-0 00:42:55.883 --> 00:42:59.753 Umm, the other thing is that I think you know it's it's really 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6775-1 00:42:59.753 --> 00:43:03.069 hard to obviously legislate without data. And I and I 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6775-2 00:43:03.069 --> 00:43:06.693 understand that there's a period where we'll be doing data 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6775-3 00:43:06.693 --> 00:43:10.501 collection. And so I wonder if there's a, you know, something 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6775-4 00:43:10.501 --> 00:43:14.309 that we can do sort of in the short term. But knowing that we 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6775-5 00:43:14.309 --> 00:43:17.994 can collect data and create policies based on data down the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6775-6 00:43:17.994 --> 00:43:21.617 road and then I just wanted to offer two, you know, if the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6775-7 00:43:21.617 --> 00:43:25.180 department wants to do some scenario charting and needs a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6775-8 00:43:25.180 --> 00:43:27.513 municipality to work with to sort of. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6824-0 00:43:27.613 --> 00:43:30.906 Start scenarios you know if if 1% of the waste stream is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6824-1 00:43:30.906 --> 00:43:34.660 reasonable. If 5% of 50% of that waste stream is reasonable, how 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6824-2 00:43:34.660 --> 00:43:38.010 it would affect our recycling programs and our ability to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6824-3 00:43:38.010 --> 00:43:41.649 deliver those. I just want to offer Brunswick like you know, we'd 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6824-4 00:43:41.649 --> 00:43:45.230 be happy to work with you to sort of try to plot that out. So 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6824-5 00:43:45.230 --> 00:43:46.673 that's all I have to say. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6828-0 00:43:49.443 --> 00:43:50.243 Thank you. Thank you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6838-0 00:43:57.973 --> 00:44:01.503 Looking through the chat just to see if there's anything. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6854-0 00:44:04.333 --> 00:44:07.885 I think I'm assuming Chrissy and Tony. You guys are. You have 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6854-1 00:44:07.885 --> 00:44:09.603 your hands up from earlier or. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6859-0 00:44:12.843 --> 00:44:13.793 For them the active. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6869-0 00:44:17.883 --> 00:44:20.913 So maybe think of it. Did you? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6883-0 00:44:20.993 --> 00:44:25.263 Umm. As you're developing things graph kind of situations. Did 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6883-1 00:44:25.263 --> 00:44:27.363 you run them through a town or? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6885-0 00:44:29.713 --> 00:44:30.023 Something. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6887-0 00:44:31.283 --> 00:44:31.713 The. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6894-0 00:44:32.533 --> 00:44:34.013 This wasn't here today or. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6899-0 00:44:35.273 --> 00:44:37.523 We we looked at. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6901-0 00:44:39.353 --> 00:44:39.913 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6907-0 00:44:40.693 --> 00:44:42.583 A municipal budget. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6913-0 00:44:44.183 --> 00:44:47.113 I know they're all different and. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6955-0 00:44:50.103 --> 00:44:54.395 It didn't have step. That's the next step. I think that I think 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6955-1 00:44:54.395 --> 00:44:58.418 it is probably the the next assembled it and now yeah if we 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6955-2 00:44:58.418 --> 00:45:01.838 could put it into practice with Yep, there's a few 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6955-3 00:45:01.838 --> 00:45:04.453 municipalities there who have offered. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6984-0 00:45:05.573 --> 00:45:09.634 Uh, like different? It's it's it's hard to, you know, there's 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6984-1 00:45:09.634 --> 00:45:13.432 a lot put on. SO in terms of like looking at you know how 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6984-2 00:45:13.432 --> 00:45:17.623 much time you know the municipal budget says you know this guy. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6990-0 00:45:19.713 --> 00:45:21.613 That works for public works, right? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7002-0 00:45:22.313 --> 00:45:25.020 In the winter time, these guys have been last week they've been 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7002-1 00:45:25.020 --> 00:45:26.373 plowing snow every day. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7004-0 00:45:27.303 --> 00:45:27.743 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7036-0 00:45:28.663 --> 00:45:32.824 And so there's a lot of just like the municipal budget has a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7036-1 00:45:32.824 --> 00:45:37.053 line for that guy. Right. And then the SO is gonna be tasked 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7036-2 00:45:37.053 --> 00:45:41.281 with determining how much of that guy's salary, for instance, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7036-3 00:45:41.281 --> 00:45:42.713 is relevant here. So. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7057-0 00:45:44.313 --> 00:45:47.213 When you think about it, it's it's not like I can look at a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7057-1 00:45:47.213 --> 00:45:50.063 you can't look at a municipal budget and get this without. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7072-0 00:45:50.893 --> 00:45:54.303 Doing thinking about which person you know the those 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7072-1 00:45:54.303 --> 00:45:56.683 percentages that we're gonna get to. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7083-0 00:45:58.423 --> 00:46:01.733 Because it's not. These aren't lines on the municipal budget. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7095-0 00:46:09.593 --> 00:46:12.907 John from Jay and the Public works guy there. I have one 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7095-1 00:46:12.907 --> 00:46:13.313 budget. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7116-0 00:46:14.193 --> 00:46:18.411 $1.9 million. All right. Yes. Sorry. Went to maintenance on 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7116-1 00:46:18.411 --> 00:46:21.363 the transfer station and on the E911 guy. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7165-0 00:46:22.103 --> 00:46:25.602 So it's all one number. I have some lines in there, but there's 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7165-1 00:46:25.602 --> 00:46:28.772 nothing. I have the same employees that work all over the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7165-2 00:46:28.772 --> 00:46:32.051 place. The guy that's simply dumped today hauling a load of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7165-3 00:46:32.051 --> 00:46:35.386 trash to the crossroads, just following the snowfall, little 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7165-4 00:46:35.386 --> 00:46:36.533 too long. Not hoping. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7169-0 00:46:37.203 --> 00:46:37.813 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7178-0 00:46:39.303 --> 00:46:43.353 Maybe right now it's gonna take a long detangle that stuff. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7180-0 00:46:46.213 --> 00:46:46.563 A. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7191-0 00:46:47.283 --> 00:46:50.388 Tony, you still you have your hand up? Is that from previous 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7191-1 00:46:50.388 --> 00:46:51.813 or you have a new statement? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7193-0 00:46:55.753 --> 00:46:56.403 Actually, sorry. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7200-0 00:47:08.233 --> 00:47:09.623 I think you have to allow the mic. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7206-0 00:47:14.103 --> 00:47:15.873 Different options here versus there. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7208-0 00:47:18.363 --> 00:47:18.713 I. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7215-0 00:47:19.733 --> 00:47:21.203 Sorry Tony just made you a. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7216-0 00:47:21.183 --> 00:47:21.463 You. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7220-0 00:47:22.363 --> 00:47:23.373 Presenter there we go. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7222-0 00:47:26.133 --> 00:47:26.573 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7230-0 00:47:28.113 --> 00:47:30.183 One of my colleagues made a point. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7257-0 00:47:31.083 --> 00:47:35.085 And I'm assuming that the fee that the people using the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7257-1 00:47:35.085 --> 00:47:39.515 packaging are gonna pay well entice them to reduce the amount 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7257-2 00:47:39.515 --> 00:47:40.443 of packaging. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7260-0 00:47:41.503 --> 00:47:42.023 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7284-0 00:47:43.953 --> 00:47:48.524 But they they they're really needs to be a big push to reduce 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7284-1 00:47:48.524 --> 00:47:52.283 their there's another R we can throw in to reduce. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7293-0 00:47:53.893 --> 00:47:57.193 The amount of packaging with with strong. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7311-0 00:47:59.203 --> 00:48:03.231 I don't say we all know the fees will be passed on to us. The the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7311-1 00:48:03.231 --> 00:48:05.183 consumer will pay the fees, but. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7327-0 00:48:06.463 --> 00:48:09.590 Is our other other ways we can convince the people putting the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7327-1 00:48:09.590 --> 00:48:10.533 packaging together? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7331-0 00:48:11.443 --> 00:48:12.453 To use less. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7352-0 00:48:13.513 --> 00:48:17.337 I mean, it's it's insane when you get a package of pens 12 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7352-1 00:48:17.337 --> 00:48:18.633 pens in a small box. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7364-0 00:48:19.523 --> 00:48:23.173 That's, you know, almost 2 feet square by 8 inches deep. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7391-0 00:48:25.563 --> 00:48:28.969 And if if they're knocked and redo, if they're willing to pay 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7391-1 00:48:28.969 --> 00:48:32.319 the fee, pass the costs on to the consumer, then we're gonna 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7391-2 00:48:32.319 --> 00:48:32.593 need. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7396-0 00:48:33.683 --> 00:48:35.513 Ways like in a MRF. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7418-0 00:48:37.453 --> 00:48:42.247 AI and and optical sorters. Different things like that. To 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7418-1 00:48:42.247 --> 00:48:47.040 be able to pull more of the packaging out so the folks can 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7418-2 00:48:47.040 --> 00:48:48.583 get get reimbursed. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7429-0 00:48:52.583 --> 00:48:56.703 Well, thanks, Tony fees, will be July. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7421-0 00:48:52.733 --> 00:48:53.293 Thank you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7431-0 00:48:57.433 --> 00:48:57.973 And. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7434-0 00:48:58.273 --> 00:48:58.843 OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7463-0 00:49:00.763 --> 00:49:04.140 Where they're sort of artificial pieces that we have divided up 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7442-0 00:49:00.903 --> 00:49:01.853 I could. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7463-1 00:49:04.140 --> 00:49:06.513 here, it's hard to separate them that we've. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7459-0 00:49:05.003 --> 00:49:05.813 Yeah, I know. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7471-0 00:49:07.193 --> 00:49:08.143 Tried for. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7484-0 00:49:07.393 --> 00:49:10.764 You're very good at. You're very good at re reminding me of the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7484-1 00:49:10.764 --> 00:49:12.133 of the process. Thank you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7489-0 00:49:13.583 --> 00:49:14.413 No thanks, Tony. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7491-0 00:49:14.663 --> 00:49:14.843 Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7500-0 00:49:18.443 --> 00:49:22.103 OK, Jess, paragraph two, let's do it. OK, so. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7537-0 00:49:23.493 --> 00:49:27.101 Thank you everyone for your picture. OK, so calculating 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7537-1 00:49:27.101 --> 00:49:31.096 municipal reimbursement, it's it's gonna require write annual 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7537-2 00:49:31.096 --> 00:49:34.704 inputs from participating municipality. Some inputs are 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7537-3 00:49:34.704 --> 00:49:38.376 expected to be defined and documented by the stewardship 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7537-4 00:49:38.376 --> 00:49:39.213 organization. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7554-0 00:49:40.163 --> 00:49:43.869 When a municipality elects to participate in the program, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7554-1 00:49:43.869 --> 00:49:46.233 which we have available at any time. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7584-0 00:49:47.943 --> 00:49:52.983 The SO will consult with the municipality to outline the cost 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7584-1 00:49:52.983 --> 00:49:58.103 that it will report and define the inputs that will be provided 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7584-2 00:49:58.103 --> 00:50:02.663 by the SO a municipality can estimate SO defined inputs 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7584-3 00:50:02.663 --> 00:50:05.063 until the consultation occurs. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7601-0 00:50:05.813 --> 00:50:10.242 Umm. And from here on out in the document we just noted that all 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7601-1 00:50:10.242 --> 00:50:12.013 the inputs are underlined. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7643-0 00:50:13.683 --> 00:50:17.146 The terms, packaging, material and commodity are used 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7643-1 00:50:17.146 --> 00:50:20.929 extensively throughout the document, so packaging material 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7643-2 00:50:20.929 --> 00:50:24.904 is a discrete type of material or it's a category of material 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7643-3 00:50:24.904 --> 00:50:28.944 that includes multiple discrete types of material with similar 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7643-4 00:50:28.944 --> 00:50:31.893 management requirements and commodity values. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7655-0 00:50:32.803 --> 00:50:36.190 Packaging material types will be discussed in more detail during 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7655-1 00:50:36.190 --> 00:50:37.753 the March stakeholder meeting. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7674-0 00:50:39.373 --> 00:50:43.808 Meetings, but for now, likely examples of packaging material 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7674-1 00:50:43.808 --> 00:50:47.443 types include corrugated cardboard, colored HDPE. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7679-0 00:50:47.523 --> 00:50:50.383 The natural HDPE. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7700-0 00:50:51.173 --> 00:50:55.415 The word commodity is used to refer to processed recycling 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7700-1 00:50:55.415 --> 00:50:59.953 that's ready to be sold to the material reprocessing market. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7768-0 00:51:00.613 --> 00:51:04.317 While a packaging material type might be turned into its own 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7768-1 00:51:04.317 --> 00:51:07.838 commodity by 1 municipality, as tends to be the case with 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7768-2 00:51:07.838 --> 00:51:11.238 corrugated cardboard, a different municipality may have 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7768-3 00:51:11.238 --> 00:51:15.184 a different management practice, as is the case with colored and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7768-4 00:51:15.184 --> 00:51:19.008 natural HDPE. Some manage them separately. Some manage the two 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7768-5 00:51:19.008 --> 00:51:22.469 together and others manage them along with other plastic 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7768-6 00:51:22.469 --> 00:51:25.443 material types, to produce a mixed plastic Bale. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7841-0 00:51:26.943 --> 00:51:30.236 So the department finds it practical and sensible to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7841-1 00:51:30.236 --> 00:51:34.150 calculate a municipalities cost of managing packaging material 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7841-2 00:51:34.150 --> 00:51:37.815 by commodity because many processing costs and revenue are 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7841-3 00:51:37.815 --> 00:51:41.667 commodity specific. Therefore figuring commodity cost per ton 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7841-4 00:51:41.667 --> 00:51:45.395 is central to the proposed method for determining municipal 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7841-5 00:51:45.395 --> 00:51:49.060 reimbursement for any commodity. The commodity cost per 10 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7841-6 00:51:49.060 --> 00:51:52.850 represents the cost of managing all packaging material types 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7841-7 00:51:52.850 --> 00:51:56.702 present in that commodity and it is assigned to all packaging 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7841-8 00:51:56.702 --> 00:51:57.633 material types. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7845-0 00:51:58.053 --> 00:51:59.133 That it includes. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7910-0 00:51:59.893 --> 00:52:03.748 Municipalities will be responsible for reporting tons 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7910-1 00:52:03.748 --> 00:52:07.960 commodity delivered and it will be adjusted to reflect the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7910-2 00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:12.386 amount of packaging material present or percent material type 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7910-3 00:52:12.386 --> 00:52:16.455 in commodity, the cost of managing packaging material or 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7910-4 00:52:16.455 --> 00:52:20.666 the material type cost per ton is then used for comparison 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7910-5 00:52:20.666 --> 00:52:25.092 among municipalities because different municipalities produce 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7910-6 00:52:25.092 --> 00:52:28.947 different commodities for similar municipalities, the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7910-7 00:52:28.947 --> 00:52:29.803 median cost. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7952-0 00:52:29.883 --> 00:52:33.974 Of managing a packaging material type or the media and material 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7952-1 00:52:33.974 --> 00:52:37.234 type cost per time and the adjusted number of tons 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7952-2 00:52:37.234 --> 00:52:41.260 delivered or the material type tons recycled by a municipality 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7952-3 00:52:41.260 --> 00:52:44.903 would then be used to determine municipal reimbursement. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7967-0 00:52:47.523 --> 00:52:52.314 This stuff here we. Ohh yeah, definitely. We'll take a take a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7967-1 00:52:52.314 --> 00:52:53.473 moment here to. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7985-0 00:52:54.613 --> 00:53:00.031 Just see if anybody has any comment or yeah any comments 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7985-1 00:53:00.031 --> 00:53:04.023 regarding the opening of of the proposal. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7995-0 00:53:07.843 --> 00:53:11.513 OK. Yeah. And then Andy, behind you too, OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8004-0 00:53:12.263 --> 00:53:16.153 Go with the Alex out. OK first, where do you go? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8009-0 00:53:17.563 --> 00:53:18.263 She lives in. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8011-0 00:53:19.583 --> 00:53:19.853 It's. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8025-0 00:53:32.803 --> 00:53:35.513 Hi Alex. We should be ready. Just. Yeah, I'm muting yourself. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8031-0 00:53:36.893 --> 00:53:38.103 No, we can't hear you yet. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8035-0 00:53:39.033 --> 00:53:40.503 Hi. It's, this is Alex. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8038-0 00:53:41.703 --> 00:53:42.813 From Canada. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8044-0 00:53:44.133 --> 00:53:45.563 I'm with circular materials. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8066-0 00:53:47.673 --> 00:53:51.835 This is this is great, great discussion. I'm I'm just 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8066-1 00:53:51.835 --> 00:53:55.919 wondering I'm testing is there is there that need to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8066-2 00:53:55.919 --> 00:53:58.693 differentiate cost for commodities? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8071-0 00:53:59.473 --> 00:54:01.433 Magor commodities at at this stage. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8073-0 00:54:02.393 --> 00:54:03.063 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8079-0 00:54:04.673 --> 00:54:08.713 Uh at the municipal stage? Or could it be done? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8092-0 00:54:10.243 --> 00:54:13.948 For the downstream, when we get to the actual funding formulas 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8092-1 00:54:13.948 --> 00:54:15.123 and and fee setting. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8141-0 00:54:17.233 --> 00:54:21.153 Because the the just the experience here has been that, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8141-1 00:54:21.153 --> 00:54:25.423 you know, we just we we collect cost data from the different 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8141-2 00:54:25.423 --> 00:54:29.973 jurisdictions and municiplaities based on a total total all in cost for 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8141-3 00:54:29.973 --> 00:54:34.453 collection processing, sorting, transferring and then the costs 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8141-4 00:54:34.453 --> 00:54:37.043 are divided to the materials based on. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8150-0 00:54:38.163 --> 00:54:41.663 You know, internal formulas and math and science. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8167-0 00:54:43.283 --> 00:54:47.087 So just just a question there and and if if if that's the case 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8167-1 00:54:47.087 --> 00:54:49.803 that you wanna do it at the municipal level? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8177-0 00:54:50.523 --> 00:54:52.840 You know what, what mechanism would you have to actually do 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8177-1 00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:53.033 that? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8193-0 00:54:56.643 --> 00:54:59.500 Sorry, 2 seconds this every. Is there anyone else having? Is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8193-1 00:54:59.500 --> 00:55:01.653 anyone having problems with audio other than? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8197-0 00:55:02.563 --> 00:55:04.353 When everyone all set. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8200-0 00:55:06.523 --> 00:55:06.993 So this. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8208-0 00:55:09.343 --> 00:55:11.263 So so some of our thoughts on. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8212-0 00:55:13.133 --> 00:55:14.583 On this here are. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8214-0 00:55:19.263 --> 00:55:19.733 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8219-0 00:55:20.953 --> 00:55:22.893 A number of thoughts so. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8242-0 00:55:25.443 --> 00:55:28.633 When we're the way we've been imagining reimbursing 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8242-1 00:55:28.633 --> 00:55:32.190 municipalities is is based on the amount of material that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8242-2 00:55:32.190 --> 00:55:33.293 they're recycling. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8270-0 00:55:34.473 --> 00:55:38.088 And so I think what you're suggesting is it could be just a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8270-1 00:55:38.088 --> 00:55:41.462 a general, this is the per ton cost of recycling and you 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8270-2 00:55:41.462 --> 00:55:44.233 reimburse municipalities at the per ton cost. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8293-0 00:55:47.323 --> 00:55:50.322 The The There's a couple of reasons we haven't done that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8293-1 00:55:50.322 --> 00:55:53.689 one, as you were suggesting, we are imagining that this data is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8293-2 00:55:53.689 --> 00:55:55.793 gonna then feed into the producer fees. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8299-0 00:55:56.333 --> 00:55:58.883 Umm, we're also hoping that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8308-0 00:56:00.833 --> 00:56:05.323 This data can be used to help understand. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8310-0 00:56:06.703 --> 00:56:07.073 What 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8343-0 00:56:08.213 --> 00:56:12.353 Methods of of collection. You know where municipalities are 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8343-1 00:56:12.353 --> 00:56:16.216 doing a good job and where they're doing. Not as good a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8343-2 00:56:16.216 --> 00:56:20.424 job. What methods are efficient and effective versus not. In 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8343-3 00:56:20.424 --> 00:56:24.563 Maine, we have people doing all kinds of stuff and I think. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8358-0 00:56:25.263 --> 00:56:28.571 That in part that's because in different places it makes sense 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8358-1 00:56:28.571 --> 00:56:29.883 to do things differently. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8405-0 00:56:30.943 --> 00:56:33.809 But I think there's also, we're hoping that there is a fair 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8405-1 00:56:33.809 --> 00:56:36.435 amount of learning that can take place. You know, when 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8405-2 00:56:36.435 --> 00:56:39.396 municipalities look at things and say this is my cost per ton 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8405-3 00:56:39.396 --> 00:56:42.166 of managing this material, other people are having a very 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8405-4 00:56:42.166 --> 00:56:44.983 different cost per ton of managing this material. You know 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8405-5 00:56:44.983 --> 00:56:47.849 these people who are managing this material at a lower cost 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8405-6 00:56:47.849 --> 00:56:49.233 per ton, what are they doing? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8420-0 00:56:50.023 --> 00:56:54.073 And might we wanna try what they're doing? So that's. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8434-0 00:56:55.493 --> 00:56:58.185 Those are sort of the two reasons that that we're thinking 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8424-0 00:56:55.503 --> 00:56:55.783 Right. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8434-1 00:56:58.185 --> 00:56:59.143 of doing it that way. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8441-0 00:57:00.583 --> 00:57:01.703 And if this helps. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8459-0 00:57:00.693 --> 00:57:05.082 Yeah. And I and I I was just asking about the the need to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8447-0 00:57:02.803 --> 00:57:03.113 I. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8459-1 00:57:05.082 --> 00:57:07.503 differentiate by commodity type. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8500-0 00:57:08.983 --> 00:57:12.813 Because here we also just, you know, we compare and benchmark 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8500-1 00:57:12.813 --> 00:57:16.580 municipalities and each other where we have sort of like the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8500-2 00:57:16.580 --> 00:57:20.224 best practice model. If you're cost button is X, the other 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8500-3 00:57:20.224 --> 00:57:24.115 neighboring Muni is the cost per ton plus plus X percent. Then 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8500-4 00:57:24.115 --> 00:57:27.203 they're higher than there should be some sort of. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8529-0 00:57:28.683 --> 00:57:32.237 You know pullbacks on on their funding, but it's it's all at a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8529-1 00:57:32.237 --> 00:57:35.847 global level. We're looking at the full basket. So I'm I'm just 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8529-2 00:57:35.847 --> 00:57:39.513 really wondering is, is there a need to do it by my by material? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8536-0 00:57:40.783 --> 00:57:41.963 For for at this stage. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8540-0 00:57:45.793 --> 00:57:46.683 There might not be. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8548-0 00:57:47.553 --> 00:57:49.413 That's something we can we can think more about. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8551-0 00:57:51.713 --> 00:57:52.143 Cool. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8567-0 00:57:53.393 --> 00:57:56.100 That just just my my, uh, comments. Thoughts. Thank you 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8558-0 00:57:53.593 --> 00:57:54.103 Thank you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8567-1 00:57:56.100 --> 00:57:56.583 very much. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8570-0 00:57:57.923 --> 00:57:58.423 Thank you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8595-0 00:58:01.923 --> 00:58:05.680 Andy yeah. So I had a question in math is not my major in 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8595-1 00:58:05.680 --> 00:58:09.113 college and it's far away. I think the positive but. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8601-0 00:58:11.103 --> 00:58:13.113 Several point I made in the earlier session. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8614-0 00:58:14.093 --> 00:58:17.997 There's language in here used somewhat interchangeably about 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8614-1 00:58:17.997 --> 00:58:19.853 commodity cost material type. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8634-0 00:58:20.623 --> 00:58:24.992 Packaging when there's gonna be a volume within a particular 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8634-1 00:58:24.992 --> 00:58:29.073 material ton or commodity ton of non covered material. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8694-0 00:58:29.833 --> 00:58:33.119 Is that going to be discounted or how are we going to discount 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8694-1 00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:36.456 the factor that that's as we've talked about exempt things that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8694-2 00:58:36.456 --> 00:58:39.690 could be because our exempts that will be exempted and things 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8694-3 00:58:39.690 --> 00:58:42.871 are not considered shopping trials and how does that show up 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8694-4 00:58:42.871 --> 00:58:45.583 in the I think that's that percent material type in 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8694-5 00:58:45.583 --> 00:58:48.503 commodity. Yeah, it's at the bottom. And so after we've 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8694-6 00:58:48.503 --> 00:58:51.371 figured you, so you have the commodity get the cost by 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8694-7 00:58:51.371 --> 00:58:52.153 commodity type. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8764-0 00:58:52.913 --> 00:58:56.791 You know how many tons of the commodity that you've recycled 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8764-1 00:58:56.791 --> 00:59:00.859 and then you just you break open a bale and you see how much of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8764-2 00:59:00.859 --> 00:59:04.736 that bale on average you bring in more than one bale, right? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8764-3 00:59:04.736 --> 00:59:08.169 Obviously you see how much of that bale is is covered 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8764-4 00:59:08.169 --> 00:59:11.665 packaging material and you'd have to do that for every 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8764-5 00:59:11.665 --> 00:59:15.478 different commodity type, at least the way we have this set 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8764-6 00:59:15.478 --> 00:59:18.911 up right now. And that percentage you'd multiply, you 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8764-7 00:59:18.911 --> 00:59:20.563 know, if it's 50% of that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8770-0 00:59:21.703 --> 00:59:23.353 Mixed paper bale is. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8852-0 00:59:24.173 --> 00:59:27.876 Is covered packaging then these municialities would get yeah. The 50% 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8852-1 00:59:27.876 --> 00:59:31.579 of the there are tons recycled. It's at the bottom. We'll we'll 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8852-2 00:59:31.579 --> 00:59:35.281 point it out when we get there. The right and maybe last night. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8852-3 00:59:35.281 --> 00:59:38.868 I think it's worth clarifying here to since it was brought up 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8852-4 00:59:38.868 --> 00:59:42.108 by Alex at the municipal level like these calculate the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8852-5 00:59:42.108 --> 00:59:45.810 calculations were talking about then we have summarized in this 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8852-6 00:59:45.810 --> 00:59:49.455 paragraph with the applying the percent material type which is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8852-7 00:59:49.455 --> 00:59:52.984 gonna come from an audit from the SO and getting a material 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8852-8 00:59:52.984 --> 00:59:54.083 type cost for time. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8859-0 00:59:54.163 --> 00:59:56.513 All of that is gonna happen. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8912-0 00:59:57.093 --> 01:00:01.127 Uh. With the SO through the SO, the municipalities are just 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8912-1 01:00:01.127 --> 01:00:05.095 supplying the inputs to quantify the commodity cost per ton. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8912-2 01:00:05.095 --> 01:00:09.129 They're not moving forward and getting, you know, the percent 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8912-3 01:00:09.129 --> 01:00:12.967 material type. That's something that's carried out through 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8912-4 01:00:12.967 --> 01:00:16.870 audits with the. So I just wanted to clarify that. So maybe 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8912-5 01:00:16.870 --> 01:00:20.253 that that means it's not happening at the municipal 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8912-6 01:00:20.253 --> 01:00:20.643 level. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8917-0 01:00:23.723 --> 01:00:25.293 Are there any other questions? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8924-0 01:00:25.363 --> 01:00:28.803 I know. Hands up, along with some stuff. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8926-0 01:00:30.453 --> 01:00:30.893 in the chat. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8997-0 01:00:34.673 --> 01:00:37.860 When municipalities will not be capable of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8997-1 01:00:37.860 --> 01:00:41.461 allocating costs to material streams without detail activity 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8997-2 01:00:41.461 --> 01:00:45.120 based cost costing studies, this will be cost prohibitive for 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8997-3 01:00:45.120 --> 01:00:49.015 most municipalities and requires expertise that does not exist at 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8997-4 01:00:49.015 --> 01:00:52.379 the municipal level. Yeah, makes four more sense to have 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8997-5 01:00:52.379 --> 01:00:55.743 municipalities report total recycling costs. With proper 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8997-6 01:00:55.743 --> 01:00:59.225 support, they can do this as shown in other jurisdictions. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8997-7 01:00:59.225 --> 01:01:02.943 All materials are not to be paid for, then a portion of costs. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9007-0 01:01:04.083 --> 01:01:06.873 Can be paid based on studies done by the SO. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9033-0 01:01:08.213 --> 01:01:11.570 So yes, we are thinking that the SO is going to come up with 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9033-1 01:01:11.570 --> 01:01:15.036 those those studies that you're saying the municipalities can't 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9033-2 01:01:15.036 --> 01:01:18.013 do on on. We are expecting that the SO will do those. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9040-0 01:01:24.033 --> 01:01:25.773 So As for the input. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9042-0 01:01:26.713 --> 01:01:27.223 That. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9058-0 01:01:28.883 --> 01:01:32.393 Largely are coming from municipalities. That's pretty 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9058-1 01:01:32.393 --> 01:01:34.733 much all there in Roman numeral #1. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9069-0 01:01:35.723 --> 01:01:38.433 Umm. In order to get a commodity cost per ton? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9091-0 01:01:39.233 --> 01:01:44.273 We've got all those inputs, so yes, the end we didn't formally 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9091-1 01:01:44.273 --> 01:01:47.553 introduce it it it represents municipal. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9138-0 01:01:48.243 --> 01:01:54.091 So we've got those municipal, sensible costs, labor, equipment 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9138-1 01:01:54.091 --> 01:01:59.845 structure, energy, and we're gonna get that as a cost per ton 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9138-2 01:01:59.845 --> 01:02:05.414 by dividing it by the times commodity delivered to that, we 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9138-3 01:02:05.414 --> 01:02:10.518 add revenue shared, shared hauling costs, nonspecific 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9138-4 01:02:10.518 --> 01:02:14.973 costs, contracted cost and profit and overhead. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9154-0 01:02:15.733 --> 01:02:20.298 We we note that not all these inputs are related are relevant 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9154-1 01:02:20.298 --> 01:02:21.843 to all processes and. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9174-0 01:02:23.893 --> 01:02:26.682 In order to get the commodity cost per ton, I want to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9174-1 01:02:26.682 --> 01:02:29.825 acknowledge that we subtract the revenue that's made from the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9174-2 01:02:29.825 --> 01:02:30.433 commodities. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9181-0 01:02:32.293 --> 01:02:34.303 We have a question from Neal in House. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9190-0 01:02:36.443 --> 01:02:39.353 I was just wondering if clarify, yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9204-0 01:02:41.373 --> 01:02:46.158 The the motivation for what to track the commodity cost per 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9204-1 01:02:46.158 --> 01:02:47.673 ton as opposed to. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9210-0 01:02:48.913 --> 01:02:50.403 Chill stream with the idea that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9270-0 01:02:51.093 --> 01:02:54.628 Was municipality don't deal with the commodities that like in 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9270-1 01:02:54.628 --> 01:02:57.991 cardboard. They didn't, perhaps, but most things it's just 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9270-2 01:02:57.991 --> 01:03:01.468 available plastic to them. So they never see the commodities 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9270-3 01:03:01.468 --> 01:03:04.375 shipped off to be processed somewhere. So whenever 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9270-4 01:03:04.375 --> 01:03:07.966 perspective it's not a commodity yet, it'll become a commodity 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9270-5 01:03:07.966 --> 01:03:08.593 downstream. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9275-0 01:03:10.273 --> 01:03:11.323 Is the idea that? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9308-0 01:03:12.283 --> 01:03:16.553 Eventually we will be able to account for those downstream 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9308-1 01:03:16.553 --> 01:03:20.895 costs, perhaps at the preferred it downstream processes are 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9308-2 01:03:20.895 --> 01:03:24.802 reporting also was now it's a line of line item I pay 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9308-3 01:03:24.802 --> 01:03:25.453 somebody. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9327-0 01:03:26.223 --> 01:03:29.524 $50.00 or whatever to get rid of this bail and they have to go 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9327-1 01:03:29.524 --> 01:03:31.933 take care of it and turn it into a commodity. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9352-0 01:03:33.613 --> 01:03:38.274 Right now it's a line item that the municipality report, but at 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9352-1 01:03:38.274 --> 01:03:42.133 some point maybe a hope that that processor will be. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9361-0 01:03:43.203 --> 01:03:45.873 Participate in the reporting so we can get the real costs. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9368-0 01:03:46.843 --> 01:03:48.773 When it actually becomes a commodity. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9380-0 01:03:50.553 --> 01:03:52.987 So when we're referring to commodity here, we're referring 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9380-1 01:03:52.987 --> 01:03:53.523 to that bale. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9387-0 01:03:55.543 --> 01:03:57.123 Umm is that your? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9404-0 01:03:58.613 --> 01:04:01.597 So we are we are looking at at what the we are trying to do 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9404-1 01:04:01.597 --> 01:04:03.933 these costs based on what the municipality is. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9425-0 01:04:04.673 --> 01:04:07.591 That's what. That's what we're intending to to do with commodity 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9425-1 01:04:07.591 --> 01:04:10.414 is look at that bill and in terms of later is that, is that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9425-2 01:04:10.414 --> 01:04:12.013 where you were your question was? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9451-0 01:04:12.713 --> 01:04:16.874 But as though I guess what maybe we didn't do a very good job of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9451-1 01:04:16.874 --> 01:04:20.843 defining commodity, what we're you know if if a municipality. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9455-0 01:04:20.923 --> 01:04:22.863 Umm recycles. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9459-0 01:04:24.643 --> 01:04:25.923 Has a #2 bale. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9469-0 01:04:27.533 --> 01:04:30.315 Then when we say commodity, we're talking about that number 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9469-1 01:04:30.315 --> 01:04:30.593 2 bit. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9471-0 01:04:31.553 --> 01:04:32.123 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9483-0 01:04:33.073 --> 01:04:36.378 But what if it's a mixed bale? If it's a single stream, pay 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9483-1 01:04:36.378 --> 01:04:36.873 somebody. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9504-0 01:04:37.863 --> 01:04:41.473 So it's it's not sellable on market as is. So it's not I 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9504-1 01:04:41.473 --> 01:04:44.893 guess it's like a single stream like a single stream. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9522-0 01:04:46.203 --> 01:04:50.032 That's selling. Say it's like 1 through 7 plastics like they 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9522-1 01:04:50.032 --> 01:04:52.463 just get all the plastics. They failed. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9529-0 01:04:54.243 --> 01:04:55.673 Something else would have to process that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9531-0 01:04:56.673 --> 01:04:57.183 7. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9554-0 01:04:58.953 --> 01:05:02.467 Right. So we would be in that case if it's a 1 through 7 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9554-1 01:05:02.467 --> 01:05:05.920 bale. When we say commodity, we're talking about that 1 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9554-2 01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:08.123 through 7 bail and then we would be. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9568-0 01:05:09.703 --> 01:05:12.276 You know, on a bill like that, you need to look at what's 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9568-1 01:05:12.276 --> 01:05:13.873 actually recovered, right, because 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9578-0 01:05:14.693 --> 01:05:16.683 1, 2, and 7 do not recycled out of that bale. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9634-0 01:05:18.673 --> 01:05:22.518 And we were gonna talk more about that in the audit section, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9634-1 01:05:22.518 --> 01:05:26.300 but so those that downstream processor so that that happens 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9634-2 01:05:26.300 --> 01:05:30.144 to a fair amount in the state of Maine. Some people said the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9634-3 01:05:30.144 --> 01:05:33.863 mixed path plastic bale to in Quebec, they have a facility 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9634-4 01:05:33.863 --> 01:05:37.896 like a plastic MRF that they separate that out and they pull, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9634-5 01:05:37.896 --> 01:05:40.543 I believe the 5 and some of the 1s. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9643-0 01:05:41.193 --> 01:05:44.653 Umm. And those are recycled and the rest is incinerated. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9651-0 01:05:45.793 --> 01:05:47.913 And so we would be trying to account for that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9658-0 01:05:48.683 --> 01:05:51.343 Both at the bottom of these cost equations. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9685-0 01:05:52.253 --> 01:05:56.170 And and then potentially through audits, you know, we'd look to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9685-1 01:05:56.170 --> 01:06:00.025 get good numbers, but but those people don't have to report to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9685-2 01:06:00.025 --> 01:06:01.493 us. So would sort of be. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9736-0 01:06:02.823 --> 01:06:06.219 The question of like, how do you get that information? You could 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9736-1 01:06:06.219 --> 01:06:09.197 either sort of like assume default default values or you 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9736-2 01:06:09.197 --> 01:06:11.966 could get reporting like voluntary reporting. Or you 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9736-3 01:06:11.966 --> 01:06:15.049 could sort of you know, say municipalities. You gotta sell 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9736-4 01:06:15.049 --> 01:06:18.079 to somebody who's gonna report to it. There's a different 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9736-5 01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:20.273 number of different ways you could do it. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9750-0 01:06:21.333 --> 01:06:25.433 In my in I don't even. I'm in my responding to your question, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9750-1 01:06:25.433 --> 01:06:25.763 yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9755-0 01:06:28.573 --> 01:06:29.963 Between those 3. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9767-0 01:06:30.663 --> 01:06:33.237 Sounds like we're kind of talking about the same thing. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9767-1 01:06:33.237 --> 01:06:35.443 We're kind of talking about the same thing, so. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9789-0 01:06:37.353 --> 01:06:40.925 Well, they are selling those one through sevens. I mean and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9789-1 01:06:40.925 --> 01:06:43.723 sometimes they sell them at all at a lot even. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9820-0 01:06:44.303 --> 01:06:47.717 Umm yeah, I guess I was saying that as a cost so but but I 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9820-1 01:06:47.717 --> 01:06:51.246 think I think that material stream is a good way to material 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9820-2 01:06:51.246 --> 01:06:54.833 stream is a good way to think about what we're talking about. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9820-3 01:06:54.833 --> 01:06:57.263 We say when we're talking commodity here. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9831-0 01:06:59.583 --> 01:07:03.273 We've had a lot of trouble with clarity on that, so I apologize. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9838-0 01:07:04.663 --> 01:07:06.233 How does this work for single stream? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9850-0 01:07:08.093 --> 01:07:11.477 We'll get there. But you know where there's cost. You can see 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9850-1 01:07:11.477 --> 01:07:12.623 that in that in that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9856-0 01:07:14.153 --> 01:07:16.343 Equation here we've got this. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9910-0 01:07:16.433 --> 01:07:20.342 Uh, if you wanna read the whole thing, not that you do. There's 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9910-1 01:07:20.342 --> 01:07:24.005 this nonspecific cost per ton. And then there's also shared 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9910-2 01:07:24.005 --> 01:07:27.791 hauling cost per ton and and both and then there's contracted 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9910-3 01:07:27.791 --> 01:07:30.906 cost per ton, but those nonspecific and we do have 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9910-4 01:07:30.906 --> 01:07:34.447 pieces of the equation that are designed to look at those 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9910-5 01:07:34.447 --> 01:07:38.416 streams that are just completely mixed and there's no way you're 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9910-6 01:07:38.416 --> 01:07:39.393 gonna, you know. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9946-0 01:07:40.663 --> 01:07:44.127 Education at a drop off on a source separated municipality 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9946-1 01:07:44.127 --> 01:07:47.483 might be similar, but there's no way you're gonna divide that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9946-2 01:07:47.483 --> 01:07:50.947 cost. Give that cost to a single commodity. And so looking 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9946-3 01:07:50.947 --> 01:07:53.923 at what are those total costs and then splitting them? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9949-0 01:07:54.853 --> 01:07:55.543 Afterwards. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9951-0 01:07:56.663 --> 01:07:57.133 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9957-0 01:07:58.633 --> 01:08:00.363 So we'll get there. Is that OK? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9960-0 01:08:01.753 --> 01:08:02.163 Good. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9964-0 01:08:03.453 --> 01:08:04.563 Last meeting somebody. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9976-0 01:08:07.053 --> 01:08:09.912 Umm, I'm gonna take you opportunity to read some of the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9976-1 01:08:09.912 --> 01:08:10.473 chats here. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9978-0 01:08:11.203 --> 01:08:11.933 Uh. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10015-0 01:08:14.993 --> 01:08:19.909 OK. Alex Chan, also consider that the basket of materials is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10015-1 01:08:19.909 --> 01:08:24.349 not uniform, presumably presumably between units. So it 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10015-2 01:08:24.349 --> 01:08:28.788 may be hard to determine cost per ton for each material 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10015-3 01:08:28.788 --> 01:08:29.343 fairly. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10020-0 01:08:30.553 --> 01:08:31.653 Glenn Williams. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10067-0 01:08:32.603 --> 01:08:36.823 Chats. Municipalities may know their labor cost for recycling 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10067-1 01:08:36.823 --> 01:08:41.179 programs, but they will not know the cost per material allocate 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10067-2 01:08:41.179 --> 01:08:44.787 to each material, both in collection and processing, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10067-3 01:08:44.787 --> 01:08:48.803 requires detailed costing studies to have any accuracy and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10067-4 01:08:48.803 --> 01:08:51.933 volume, and transit is a key activity driver. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10102-0 01:08:53.253 --> 01:08:57.538 Gary Jones says what program is going to be set up to ensure 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10102-1 01:08:57.538 --> 01:09:01.822 that the cost being identified or accurate and reflective of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10102-2 01:09:01.822 --> 01:09:05.123 the actual costs incurred by the municipality. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10131-0 01:09:05.793 --> 01:09:09.491 Producers need to be protected from municipalities that are, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10131-1 01:09:09.491 --> 01:09:13.066 including costs in their data that is not related to their 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10131-2 01:09:13.066 --> 01:09:16.763 recycling program. And I'm just as say, for logistical note. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10154-0 01:09:18.413 --> 01:09:21.513 Reading these to make sure we answer the questions if they're 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10154-1 01:09:21.513 --> 01:09:24.413 there, and also to put them in the transcript so that the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10154-2 01:09:24.413 --> 01:09:27.563 what's in the chat will get into the chat meetings transcript. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10171-0 01:09:33.183 --> 01:09:37.434 So I think I think much of of what people are saying is we are 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10171-1 01:09:37.434 --> 01:09:39.593 hoping that the SO is going to. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10191-0 01:09:41.173 --> 01:09:46.750 Umm, sort of be the key entity here in terms of ensuring 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10191-1 01:09:46.750 --> 01:09:49.783 accuracy and ensuring fairness. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10204-0 01:09:51.663 --> 01:09:55.380 I think it, I think maybe if we go through a couple of the first 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10204-1 01:09:55.380 --> 01:09:55.723 costs. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10219-0 01:09:56.443 --> 01:09:59.886 It it'll be a little more clear what what role the so is going 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10219-1 01:09:59.886 --> 01:10:00.323 to have. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10266-0 01:10:01.013 --> 01:10:04.999 And then maybe we can talk more specifically as we get through 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10266-1 01:10:04.999 --> 01:10:08.794 those. And then I just wanna reiterate like how the I guess 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10266-2 01:10:08.794 --> 01:10:12.400 the definition of the word commodity in this context, so 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10266-3 01:10:12.400 --> 01:10:16.512 the word commodity is being used to refer to processed recycling 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10266-4 01:10:16.512 --> 01:10:20.433 that's ready to be sold to the material reprocessing markets. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10294-0 01:10:25.153 --> 01:10:29.468 OK. So yeah, just noting that all those inputs we have to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10294-1 01:10:29.468 --> 01:10:33.559 determine commodity cost per ton, not all of those are 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10294-2 01:10:33.559 --> 01:10:35.493 relevant to all processes. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10345-0 01:10:36.503 --> 01:10:41.495 OK, so now the bullets are just kind of give emphasis to each of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10345-1 01:10:41.495 --> 01:10:46.179 those inputs. So the first one had tons commodity delivered, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10345-2 01:10:46.179 --> 01:10:50.403 it's the total tons of a given commodity delivered for 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10345-3 01:10:50.403 --> 01:10:55.164 recycling by the municipality over the course of the year. It 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10345-4 01:10:55.164 --> 01:10:59.233 is is the weight recorded at the receiving facility. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10370-0 01:11:00.343 --> 01:11:05.163 So we don't emphasize this over and over again in the document, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10370-1 01:11:05.163 --> 01:11:10.059 but everything this is happening on an annual basis. So a lot of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10370-2 01:11:10.059 --> 01:11:12.393 these inputs are annual totals. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10372-0 01:11:14.333 --> 01:11:14.763 Yes. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10378-0 01:11:16.853 --> 01:11:19.503 Rather than think of it as annual basis that we. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10391-0 01:11:20.353 --> 01:11:24.690 That in terms of reporting period, which might be annually 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10391-1 01:11:24.690 --> 01:11:24.983 but. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10403-0 01:11:25.863 --> 01:11:28.245 It maybe eventually, within a few years we could optimize 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10403-1 01:11:28.245 --> 01:11:28.983 things so that it. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10407-0 01:11:29.773 --> 01:11:30.823 Even report monthly. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10417-0 01:11:31.983 --> 01:11:35.293 Something along the basis to give this finding data. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10437-0 01:11:38.673 --> 01:11:42.380 That would be an easy that would be an easy change in the wording 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10437-1 01:11:42.380 --> 01:11:45.917 if we were to go that route. So we can, yeah, consider that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10437-2 01:11:45.917 --> 01:11:46.703 if it seems. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10454-0 01:11:47.783 --> 01:11:50.530 Impossible right now, but it's hard. Yeah, it's like all these 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10454-1 01:11:50.530 --> 01:11:52.753 other things. Once we get going, it's hard to say. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10463-0 01:11:53.443 --> 01:11:56.323 OK. Tony has question. OK, Tony has a question. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10466-0 01:11:57.593 --> 01:11:58.973 Thing thing. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10468-0 01:12:04.503 --> 01:12:05.173 Hi. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10486-0 01:12:07.433 --> 01:12:11.057 Think that was Andy that asked for consideration being to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10486-1 01:12:11.057 --> 01:12:12.243 change from annual. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10488-0 01:12:13.723 --> 01:12:14.173 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10502-0 01:12:15.763 --> 01:12:19.989 As we go through this and with all due respect, I I don't think 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10502-1 01:12:19.989 --> 01:12:20.913 you folks can. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10537-0 01:12:22.283 --> 01:12:26.456 Jumped through too many hoops in an afternoon and and change what 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10537-1 01:12:26.456 --> 01:12:30.250 you've been working on. You could ask for it to be all done 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10537-2 01:12:30.250 --> 01:12:34.044 on an annual basis, but then a municipality, whomever could 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10537-3 01:12:34.044 --> 01:12:36.193 take it upon themselves to do it. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10543-0 01:12:39.183 --> 01:12:41.433 On a on a different schedule. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10550-0 01:12:43.953 --> 01:12:45.583 You see what I'm what I mean. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10562-0 01:12:48.483 --> 01:12:50.023 Yeah, we're just taking notes. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10565-0 01:12:48.863 --> 01:12:51.173 Yeah, we're just taking ohh. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10575-0 01:12:54.743 --> 01:12:57.683 Because I don't think we can rewrite the whole thing today. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10581-0 01:12:58.413 --> 01:12:59.563 Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10580-0 01:12:58.743 --> 01:12:59.673 Uh, yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10588-0 01:13:01.333 --> 01:13:02.243 But but the. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10592-0 01:13:01.433 --> 01:13:03.313 We'll be lucky if we can get through the thing today. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10629-0 01:13:05.273 --> 01:13:09.527 I thought it was just me. No, Umm, you know they're good. Good 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10629-1 01:13:09.527 --> 01:13:13.645 points to be considered, but just maybe to be taken down for 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10629-2 01:13:13.645 --> 01:13:17.831 consideration by you folks when the when you rally around the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10629-3 01:13:17.831 --> 01:13:20.733 table, so to speak, to review the meeting. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10632-0 01:13:21.693 --> 01:13:22.113 Thank you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10668-0 01:13:23.393 --> 01:13:28.512 Thanks for your reply. Yeah, and Tony, this is Neal. That was 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10648-0 01:13:27.293 --> 01:13:27.603 Yes. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10668-1 01:13:28.512 --> 01:13:33.795 that was my comment and not I'm not intending to to try and and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10657-0 01:13:29.653 --> 01:13:30.263 Uh, I'm sure. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10668-2 01:13:33.795 --> 01:13:35.033 push people to. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10688-0 01:13:36.573 --> 01:13:39.853 Do something that they're not capable of. I was just saying if 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10688-1 01:13:39.853 --> 01:13:42.663 we think about about it in terms of reporting cycles. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10702-0 01:13:43.523 --> 01:13:47.454 Everything works whether it's a year or a month and in the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10702-1 01:13:47.454 --> 01:13:48.253 future when. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10729-0 01:13:49.013 --> 01:13:52.254 We build our infrastructure out and we have some systems built 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10729-1 01:13:52.254 --> 01:13:55.443 up that automate some of this stuff that would make it easier 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10722-0 01:13:53.523 --> 01:13:53.913 Yep. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10729-2 01:13:55.443 --> 01:13:56.883 and more feasible to report. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10759-0 01:13:57.573 --> 01:14:01.820 Six months, monthly. Something like that. Like, but it's not 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10749-0 01:14:00.703 --> 01:14:02.683 OK, as opposed to having a. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10759-1 01:14:01.820 --> 01:14:04.863 everyone that's in everyone's details, OK? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10786-0 01:14:06.473 --> 01:14:09.753 Yeah, it's. I think it's in everyone's interest to have 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10786-1 01:14:09.753 --> 01:14:13.090 smaller reporting cycles. You know, like the money flows 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10786-2 01:14:13.090 --> 01:14:16.604 faster, there's more data, there's less effort to build the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10786-3 01:14:16.604 --> 01:14:17.423 word planning. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10806-0 01:14:17.893 --> 01:14:20.574 Well, again, we got to keep insight. The small 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10806-1 01:14:20.574 --> 01:14:23.653 municipalities are going to be participating in this. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10815-0 01:14:29.963 --> 01:14:32.013 One size won't won't fit all. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10811-0 01:14:30.213 --> 01:14:30.863 Uh. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10826-0 01:14:39.943 --> 01:14:44.003 No more questions on commodity funds. Commodity delivered, OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10830-0 01:14:45.223 --> 01:14:47.913 So oops, we'll move. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10832-0 01:14:48.433 --> 01:14:48.903 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10843-0 01:14:50.203 --> 01:14:53.613 We'll move on. We've got municipal labor costs. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10857-0 01:14:54.843 --> 01:15:01.247 Next, and I guess the fancy math. So my call it starts here 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10857-1 01:15:01.247 --> 01:15:01.673 and. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10873-0 01:15:02.873 --> 01:15:07.410 What we're looking at is in order to get municipal labor 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10873-1 01:15:07.410 --> 01:15:08.683 costs, we would. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10887-0 01:15:09.453 --> 01:15:13.353 Take the percent time spent on a specific packaging stream. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10916-0 01:15:14.403 --> 01:15:20.859 Which is I guess I should just keep reading, so the M labor 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10916-1 01:15:20.859 --> 01:15:27.207 costs is the sum for each municipal employee. So we'd get 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10916-2 01:15:27.207 --> 01:15:28.713 a product the. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10932-0 01:15:29.583 --> 01:15:33.919 Considering the total compensation paid, the percent time spent on 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10932-1 01:15:33.919 --> 01:15:36.053 a specific packaging stream for. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10953-0 01:15:36.923 --> 01:15:40.739 Every employee there will be options to aggregate like 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10953-1 01:15:40.739 --> 01:15:43.513 employees and report them as as groups. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11027-0 01:15:43.833 --> 01:15:47.974 Uh, where the percent is is the same, but you get a sum of all 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11027-1 01:15:47.974 --> 01:15:51.326 those to get your municipal labor cost. So you're 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11027-2 01:15:51.326 --> 01:15:55.204 multiplying the percent time spent on a specific packaging 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11027-3 01:15:55.204 --> 01:15:59.477 stream by the total compensation for each employee at all. Those 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11027-4 01:15:59.477 --> 01:16:03.749 together, you get your municipal labor cost. So the percent time 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11027-5 01:16:03.749 --> 01:16:07.824 spent on a specific packaging stream. Yep, it's an input, but 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11027-6 01:16:07.824 --> 01:16:12.031 it will be defined using audits conducted by the SO and account 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11027-7 01:16:12.031 --> 01:16:12.293 for. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11057-0 01:16:13.493 --> 01:16:17.119 Seasonal variation. The percent time spent on a specific 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11057-1 01:16:17.119 --> 01:16:21.063 packaging stream may include education, administrative tasks, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11057-2 01:16:21.063 --> 01:16:25.071 collecting, sorting, bailing, transporting, and we added there 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11057-3 01:16:25.071 --> 01:16:25.643 etcetera. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11067-0 01:16:26.323 --> 01:16:29.613 Uh, that is specific to a packaging stream. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11098-0 01:16:30.913 --> 01:16:34.566 As for the total competition paid, a municipality would 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11098-1 01:16:34.566 --> 01:16:38.284 report this to each employee or a group of employees and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11098-2 01:16:38.284 --> 01:16:41.936 employees that are used interchangeably can be reported 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11098-3 01:16:41.936 --> 01:16:42.523 together. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11107-0 01:16:49.313 --> 01:16:51.683 As for equipment costs, it's the next. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11111-0 01:16:52.813 --> 01:16:53.713 Oh yeah, sorry. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11118-0 01:16:54.873 --> 01:16:57.153 Specific packaging stream. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11127-0 01:16:58.863 --> 01:17:00.823 How many of those are the they're going to be? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11139-0 01:17:01.993 --> 01:17:05.163 How's specific? So it depends on the municipality. If you're a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11139-1 01:17:05.163 --> 01:17:06.543 single stream municipality. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11151-0 01:17:07.723 --> 01:17:11.463 You don't have any if you if you collect single stream this is. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11166-0 01:17:12.683 --> 01:17:15.898 Irrelevant because you don't have any time that's specific to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11166-1 01:17:15.898 --> 01:17:16.883 a single commodity. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11175-0 01:17:18.223 --> 01:17:21.373 Umm. If you are a source separated. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11179-0 01:17:22.833 --> 01:17:24.303 Facility then. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11187-0 01:17:25.213 --> 01:17:27.673 The time that your guy is there bailing cardboard. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11194-0 01:17:28.403 --> 01:17:31.353 That's a commodity specific. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11208-0 01:17:32.773 --> 01:17:36.293 Percent of labor and the SO would be doing the audits to. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11228-0 01:17:37.793 --> 01:17:41.250 help you find that number and you and the municipality 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11228-1 01:17:41.250 --> 01:17:44.027 would be reporting the compensation paid for its 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11228-2 01:17:44.027 --> 01:17:44.593 employees. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11242-0 01:17:46.223 --> 01:17:48.858 That makes sense. Just like thinking about what the fees are 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11242-1 01:17:48.858 --> 01:17:51.233 gonna get paid. And I think those are pretty specific. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11244-0 01:17:52.983 --> 01:17:53.283 Thing. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11247-0 01:17:55.473 --> 01:17:55.903 And regular. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11269-0 01:17:57.203 --> 01:18:00.030 So like for single stream bringing that there would be an 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11269-1 01:18:00.030 --> 01:18:02.955 audit then say how much of that single stream will take the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11269-2 01:18:02.955 --> 01:18:03.783 package and just. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11282-0 01:18:04.453 --> 01:18:11.103 By that to that post. So when we get down to when we get down to. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11286-0 01:18:11.823 --> 01:18:13.253 The nonspecific. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11297-0 01:18:13.853 --> 01:18:17.663 Uh, commodity costs and the shared hauling cost, those are. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11302-0 01:18:18.083 --> 01:18:20.193 relevant to single streams 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11316-0 01:18:22.033 --> 01:18:24.479 So this one this, this in particular would not be relevant 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11316-1 01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:25.183 to single stream. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11320-0 01:18:28.723 --> 01:18:30.113 Tony's got another question. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11327-0 01:18:46.313 --> 01:18:47.403 Tony, can you hear us? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11333-0 01:18:53.893 --> 01:18:54.893 You are mute Tony. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11344-0 01:19:02.663 --> 01:19:05.630 Maybe he didn't have a maybe it was just like I just thought, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11344-1 01:19:05.630 --> 01:19:05.773 OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11349-0 01:19:06.673 --> 01:19:07.943 Move on, OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11360-0 01:19:07.683 --> 01:19:11.353 OK, see, you didn't allow me to open my mic. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11364-0 01:19:10.593 --> 01:19:12.233 Uh, where he is. There he is. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11365-0 01:19:12.133 --> 01:19:12.783 OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11373-0 01:19:15.403 --> 01:19:18.953 Throughout, can you make a note when you rewrite this? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11383-0 01:19:20.843 --> 01:19:24.333 Can you make a notation like is in? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11401-0 01:19:25.533 --> 01:19:29.406 Under the percent time spent on specific packages, stream 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11401-1 01:19:29.406 --> 01:19:32.343 wherever the SO's required to do the work. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11411-0 01:19:34.353 --> 01:19:37.548 Or or is is to work with the municipalities to see what I 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11411-1 01:19:37.548 --> 01:19:37.823 mean. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11447-0 01:19:39.793 --> 01:19:44.502 We tried to. We tried to do that so in on this on this example, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11425-0 01:19:41.493 --> 01:19:42.623 OK, OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11447-1 01:19:44.502 --> 01:19:48.843 the time spent on a specific packaging stream that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11438-0 01:19:46.403 --> 01:19:46.753 Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11447-2 01:19:48.843 --> 01:19:51.123 is gonna be defined by the SO. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11453-0 01:19:51.233 --> 01:19:52.343 Yeah, I see that, yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11463-0 01:19:52.063 --> 01:19:55.731 And then the municipality is gonna report total compensation 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11463-1 01:19:55.731 --> 01:19:56.813 for each employee. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11468-0 01:19:59.653 --> 01:20:00.183 OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11506-0 01:19:59.683 --> 01:20:03.619 So on this particular labor inputs, those are the two, those 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11506-1 01:20:03.619 --> 01:20:07.233 are the two inputs are the percent time spent, which is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11488-0 01:20:06.023 --> 01:20:06.413 Mm-hmm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11506-2 01:20:07.233 --> 01:20:11.298 gonna be an SO responsibility and then the compensation paid 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11506-3 01:20:11.298 --> 01:20:13.233 is a municipal responsibility. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11524-0 01:20:13.793 --> 01:20:17.286 OK, just a SEC. I'm just scanning through and I do 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11524-1 01:20:17.286 --> 01:20:21.032 stand corrected. The pages are numbered when you print the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11524-2 01:20:21.032 --> 01:20:21.603 document. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11531-0 01:20:24.763 --> 01:20:25.413 So that's good. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11535-0 01:20:24.813 --> 01:20:26.243 They weren't in our first draft. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11558-0 01:20:26.883 --> 01:20:32.400 OK, OK. OK. Gotcha. OK, thank you. Now I I see the references 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11545-0 01:20:27.623 --> 01:20:29.353 But when we got there, eventually. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11558-1 01:20:32.400 --> 01:20:34.713 got you. Thanks very much. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11571-0 01:20:35.253 --> 01:20:37.500 Yeah, we tried to do that throughout. If you see a place 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11571-1 01:20:37.500 --> 01:20:38.643 where we didn't, please just. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11578-0 01:20:38.563 --> 01:20:40.953 OK, OK. Yep. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11574-0 01:20:39.573 --> 01:20:39.973 Holler. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11577-0 01:20:40.693 --> 01:20:40.973 That. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11589-0 01:20:42.103 --> 01:20:44.813 Chat popped up from Lynne Palmer. I'm gonna read that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11609-0 01:20:45.023 --> 01:20:49.537 OK, that level of granular reporting for specific packaging 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11609-1 01:20:49.537 --> 01:20:53.673 streams might drive a municipality to go to single stream. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11613-0 01:21:06.073 --> 01:21:06.503 Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11630-0 01:21:07.663 --> 01:21:11.199 Yeah, I guess, I guess that's a potential. Yeah, I 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11630-1 01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:13.053 mean, I guess what would prefer? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11641-0 01:21:14.623 --> 01:21:17.803 Municipalities and they think that's the issue. Yeah, yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11659-0 01:21:19.583 --> 01:21:22.509 Yeah, I think that also gets back to just general, how simple 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11659-1 01:21:22.509 --> 01:21:25.482 can this also keep would get it this simple as possible. Yeah, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11659-2 01:21:25.482 --> 01:21:25.953 you wanna. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11668-0 01:21:30.113 --> 01:21:32.033 You know, and keep going, Jessica, yes. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11678-0 01:21:34.953 --> 01:21:38.893 OK. So we're down to municipal equipment cost. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11680-0 01:21:39.743 --> 01:21:40.283 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11695-0 01:21:42.543 --> 01:21:48.286 Here it's it's the sum for each piece of municipal equipment 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11695-1 01:21:48.286 --> 01:21:49.603 used and that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11728-0 01:21:50.293 --> 01:21:55.982 We'll add up the percent use on a specific packaging stream 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11728-1 01:21:55.982 --> 01:22:01.955 multiplied by the sub of those inputs. There. Maintenance cost 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11728-2 01:22:01.955 --> 01:22:07.833 depreciation, debt, interest paid and lease where applicable. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11773-0 01:22:08.533 --> 01:22:13.791 And so for off road equipment such as bailers forklifts, skid 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11773-1 01:22:13.791 --> 01:22:18.624 steers, compactors, etcetera, the SO will use audits to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11773-2 01:22:18.624 --> 01:22:23.627 define the percent use on a specific packaging stream. Now 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11773-3 01:22:23.627 --> 01:22:27.952 the cost associated with time equipment is used to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11773-4 01:22:27.952 --> 01:22:31.513 simultaneously process packaging streams. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11839-0 01:22:32.343 --> 01:22:35.183 That result in multiple commodities. It will be 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11839-1 01:22:35.183 --> 01:22:38.968 allocated using the non specific cost per ton equation which is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11839-2 01:22:38.968 --> 01:22:42.753 on page 5. So just to address your question Sarah, so if you 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11839-3 01:22:42.753 --> 01:22:45.829 have a compactor or some municipality collects single 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11839-4 01:22:45.829 --> 01:22:49.200 stream in a compactor, so if you have a compactor that's 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11839-5 01:22:49.200 --> 01:22:52.868 collecting single stream that's not that cost doesn't go here 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11839-6 01:22:52.868 --> 01:22:55.233 that cost is gonna be dealt with later. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11851-0 01:23:00.073 --> 01:23:05.054 But if you have a baler that's used for cardboard and mixed 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11851-1 01:23:05.054 --> 01:23:05.543 paper. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11870-0 01:23:06.533 --> 01:23:10.680 Then it it's we're trying to define how much of that time the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11870-1 01:23:10.680 --> 01:23:12.953 baler is used for each of those. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11877-0 01:23:13.903 --> 01:23:14.933 2 streams. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11880-0 01:23:18.143 --> 01:23:18.763 And then. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11889-0 01:23:19.533 --> 01:23:23.713 For on road vehicles, we have the the same. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11899-0 01:23:24.373 --> 01:23:29.833 Umm, percent use on a specific packaging stream in this case. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11916-0 01:23:30.463 --> 01:23:34.293 It's going to be the sum for all municipal transportation routes 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11916-1 01:23:34.293 --> 01:23:35.883 for a given packing stream. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11928-0 01:23:36.843 --> 01:23:41.673 And we'll get those values by multiplying the miles traveled. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11990-0 01:23:42.903 --> 01:23:47.927 Per route by the number of trips on the route divided by 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11990-1 01:23:47.927 --> 01:23:53.384 the total vehicle miles traveled in whatever cycle period were 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11990-2 01:23:53.384 --> 01:23:58.062 this. That's an annual total there. Yep. So the SO is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11990-3 01:23:58.062 --> 01:24:03.346 responsible for documenting Miles traveled per route through 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11990-4 01:24:03.346 --> 01:24:07.936 consultation with the municipality. The municipality 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11990-5 01:24:07.936 --> 01:24:13.133 reports number of trips on a route and total vehicle miles. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12013-0 01:24:13.183 --> 01:24:16.402 Traveled now if multiple packaging streams are 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12013-1 01:24:16.402 --> 01:24:20.442 transported together, the cost needs to be allocated using 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12013-2 01:24:20.442 --> 01:24:23.043 shared hauling cost per ton equation. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12019-0 01:24:24.163 --> 01:24:26.883 Which is further further along. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12029-0 01:24:32.033 --> 01:24:35.323 Just continuing on with these these inputs for. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12053-0 01:24:36.073 --> 01:24:39.584 Equipment costs here we have maintenance costs, which is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12053-1 01:24:39.584 --> 01:24:43.525 reported by the municipality as well and it is the amount spent 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12053-2 01:24:43.525 --> 01:24:44.633 in parts. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12128-0 01:24:45.403 --> 01:24:49.546 Our labor and supplies to service or operate a piece of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12128-1 01:24:49.546 --> 01:24:54.207 equipment, so maintenance costs includes supplies such as bail 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12128-2 01:24:54.207 --> 01:24:58.350 wire and personal protective equipment required for the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12128-3 01:24:58.350 --> 01:25:02.345 operation of a piece of equipment. If municipal staff 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12128-4 01:25:02.345 --> 01:25:07.080 performs maintenance, it should be figured as follows, where we 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12128-5 01:25:07.080 --> 01:25:11.888 have the hours spent maintaining a piece of equipment divided by 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12128-6 01:25:11.888 --> 01:25:15.513 the total annual hours worked by that municipal. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12131-0 01:25:15.613 --> 01:25:16.083 Staff. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12144-0 01:25:17.383 --> 01:25:21.733 Number and then we multiply that by the total compensation paid. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12151-0 01:25:22.803 --> 01:25:24.363 So that's just the maintenance cost. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12175-0 01:25:25.043 --> 01:25:28.860 We have questions on that one. Yeah. Any questions on that one? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12175-1 01:25:28.860 --> 01:25:32.200 OK. It continues on with depreciation. Ohh, we got one. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12175-2 01:25:32.200 --> 01:25:33.333 One. Yeah. Hold on. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12186-0 01:25:36.203 --> 01:25:40.853 For the compensation for the municipal employee that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12189-0 01:25:41.803 --> 01:25:42.753 Includes. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12193-0 01:25:44.093 --> 01:25:45.313 Overhead for the person. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12201-0 01:25:47.273 --> 01:25:48.643 Like health insurance, you mean? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12210-0 01:25:47.673 --> 01:25:50.964 Like health insurance? Yeah, insurance time off, things like 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12210-1 01:25:50.964 --> 01:25:51.233 that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12212-0 01:25:51.663 --> 01:25:52.073 Yes. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12222-0 01:25:52.383 --> 01:25:54.993 It's a whole package per person. OK, thank you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12227-0 01:26:07.093 --> 01:26:09.153 OK, so for depreciation? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12271-0 01:26:10.033 --> 01:26:13.997 For each piece of equipment, it will be determined in 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12271-1 01:26:13.997 --> 01:26:18.254 consultation with the SO. The SO will document both the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12271-2 01:26:18.254 --> 01:26:22.657 annual depreciation, which is the price paid divided by the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12271-3 01:26:22.657 --> 01:26:27.281 expected lifespan and the year depreciation ends, which is the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12271-4 01:26:27.281 --> 01:26:30.363 purchase year plus the expected lifespan. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12296-0 01:26:31.263 --> 01:26:34.885 The municipality must report Price paid, paid and expected 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12296-1 01:26:34.885 --> 01:26:37.893 lifespan. For a piece of equipment at the time of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12296-2 01:26:37.893 --> 01:26:41.023 purchase or at the onset of program participation. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12363-0 01:26:44.283 --> 01:26:47.878 Toward inputs to get to the municipal equipment cost, and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12363-1 01:26:47.878 --> 01:26:51.721 that's debt interest paid, which is the interest paid on debt 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12363-2 01:26:51.721 --> 01:26:55.316 incurred to buy a piece of equipment. This is reported by 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12363-3 01:26:55.316 --> 01:26:59.035 the municipality and then the lease. The lease is the price 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12363-4 01:26:59.035 --> 01:27:02.816 paid to borrow or lease a piece of equipment and this too is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12363-5 01:27:02.816 --> 01:27:04.613 reported by the municipality. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12396-0 01:27:05.673 --> 01:27:09.321 We'll take a moment here. Andy has a question. Yes, yes, that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12396-1 01:27:09.321 --> 01:27:12.321 in the least, those are decisions that are made by 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12396-2 01:27:12.321 --> 01:27:16.027 municipalities in the SO got no control over may or may 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12396-3 01:27:16.027 --> 01:27:17.203 not be an efficient. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12399-0 01:27:18.183 --> 01:27:19.583 It needs a. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12417-0 01:27:20.753 --> 01:27:24.362 During that equipment, etcetera, there's also section 11 with 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12417-1 01:27:24.362 --> 01:27:28.029 two, which is the infrastructure account that we talked about, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12417-2 01:27:28.029 --> 01:27:28.203 so. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12435-0 01:27:29.593 --> 01:27:32.522 One, there's there's obviously no mention in the statute that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12435-1 01:27:32.522 --> 01:27:35.403 that the municipal reimbursement rate is going to cover debt. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12449-0 01:27:36.253 --> 01:27:39.422 And these payments and those types of things speaks to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12449-1 01:27:39.422 --> 01:27:40.343 management, but. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12481-0 01:27:41.743 --> 01:27:45.361 They're the absolute minimum needs to be announcement that if 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12481-1 01:27:45.361 --> 01:27:48.979 if the infrastructures paid for under section 11 by the SO, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12481-2 01:27:48.979 --> 01:27:52.013 that shouldn't be included in reimbursement funding. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12492-0 01:27:53.563 --> 01:27:56.391 So we knew we knew this was gonna come up, obviously because 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12492-1 01:27:56.391 --> 01:27:57.503 you mentioned it before. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12498-0 01:27:58.663 --> 01:27:59.973 And this is where we got. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12509-0 01:28:00.953 --> 01:28:03.663 OK. So I mean it's probably gets grants for a biller. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12528-0 01:28:04.953 --> 01:28:10.043 And uh, so say we put a zero in for that depreciation. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12532-0 01:28:11.663 --> 01:28:12.493 On that cost. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12540-0 01:28:14.203 --> 01:28:17.383 The immediate impact is that you've got. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12546-0 01:28:19.893 --> 01:28:22.843 Municipalities who has. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12554-0 01:28:23.853 --> 01:28:26.573 not had grants for some of its equipment. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12609-0 01:28:27.713 --> 01:28:31.124 Cost being compared to a municipality that has. So 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12609-1 01:28:31.124 --> 01:28:34.786 you've got so, so you've got municipal costs that include 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12609-2 01:28:34.786 --> 01:28:38.639 capital expense being compared to municipal costs that don't 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12609-3 01:28:38.639 --> 01:28:42.617 include capital expense, which is a little bit problematic. If 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12609-4 01:28:42.617 --> 01:28:45.775 you think about the fact that well over time more 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12609-5 01:28:45.775 --> 01:28:49.501 municipalities, let's say all let's say that which I can't 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12609-6 01:28:49.501 --> 01:28:53.163 imagine this happening. But let's say that all municipal. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12617-0 01:28:55.323 --> 01:28:58.883 Needs for equipment are covered by that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12619-0 01:28:59.533 --> 01:28:59.953 That. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12644-0 01:29:01.803 --> 01:29:05.428 That account that that granting process, if you got to that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12644-1 01:29:05.428 --> 01:29:09.113 situation and you were putting zeros in in the depreciation? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12682-0 01:29:09.943 --> 01:29:14.161 That whole time? Then your cost per ton that is coming in right 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12682-1 01:29:14.161 --> 01:29:17.917 from the producers isn't covering that capital cost. And 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12682-2 01:29:17.917 --> 01:29:22.069 so we'll go down over time and then you'd get to a point right 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12682-3 01:29:22.069 --> 01:29:24.573 where the municipalities now need to. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12685-0 01:29:26.113 --> 01:29:26.733 But I knew. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12696-0 01:29:27.753 --> 01:29:30.243 Failures by new trucks and by new everything else. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12700-0 01:29:31.543 --> 01:29:32.423 At which point? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12713-0 01:29:34.603 --> 01:29:38.063 There wouldn't be funding for it in that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12738-0 01:29:39.683 --> 01:29:42.397 Fund there wouldn't be slack in the fund for that anymore, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12738-1 01:29:42.397 --> 01:29:45.110 because you've taken that capital cost, you're not paying 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12738-2 01:29:45.110 --> 01:29:46.373 in on capital cost anymore. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12751-0 01:29:47.233 --> 01:29:51.805 And so the municipality would buy, say, their own thing and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12751-1 01:29:51.805 --> 01:29:52.643 they would. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12789-0 01:29:54.133 --> 01:29:57.215 Probably have to pay interest on it. They probably have to take 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12789-1 01:29:57.215 --> 01:30:00.201 out, you know, municipal bonds to do that. I think that's how 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12789-2 01:30:00.201 --> 01:30:03.186 usually have. It's not always how it happens, but it might be 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12789-3 01:30:03.186 --> 01:30:05.979 how it happens. And so then their costs per time would go 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12789-4 01:30:05.979 --> 01:30:06.123 up. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12819-0 01:30:07.163 --> 01:30:10.593 And then you know, over time, all those costs were tons would 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12819-1 01:30:10.593 --> 01:30:14.134 go up. And so then the price per ton paid by producers would go 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12819-2 01:30:14.134 --> 01:30:16.623 back up. And so you'd sort of end up just I. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12834-0 01:30:17.693 --> 01:30:21.045 And I'm so bad at explaining things, but but you'd be ended 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12834-1 01:30:21.045 --> 01:30:23.243 up in this cycle, right? Where like as? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12842-0 01:30:23.323 --> 01:30:26.493 Umm, if you're you're at a point. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12845-0 01:30:28.413 --> 01:30:29.043 Where? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12849-0 01:30:29.863 --> 01:30:31.153 The municipalities. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12869-0 01:30:32.683 --> 01:30:36.057 Have had their their stuff paid for and depreciation is not in 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12869-1 01:30:36.057 --> 01:30:37.503 that cost across the board. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12913-0 01:30:39.753 --> 01:30:42.986 And then you're going to have a point where that depreciation 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12913-1 01:30:42.986 --> 01:30:46.166 hasn't been in that cost in their municipalities have bought 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12913-2 01:30:46.166 --> 01:30:49.295 things, and now that cost the depreciation is in that cost. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12913-3 01:30:49.295 --> 01:30:52.684 And so the cost goes up. And so you're gonna have producer costs 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12913-4 01:30:52.684 --> 01:30:55.603 that are going cyclically with this like funding cycle. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12917-0 01:30:57.043 --> 01:30:58.293 As opposed to. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12944-0 01:31:00.773 --> 01:31:04.069 Having the depreciation in there to begin with and then the other 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12944-1 01:31:04.069 --> 01:31:07.315 thing you don't know is how it's gonna affect the municipalities 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12944-2 01:31:07.315 --> 01:31:08.163 in terms of like. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12946-0 01:31:08.993 --> 01:31:09.713 When? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12958-0 01:31:12.403 --> 01:31:15.007 When they're getting, when they're getting the grant, so 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12958-1 01:31:15.007 --> 01:31:15.783 you're comparing. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12961-0 01:31:16.563 --> 01:31:17.903 Not really like cost. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12980-0 01:31:18.623 --> 01:31:23.059 And so it seemed like it made more sense to just keep that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12980-1 01:31:23.059 --> 01:31:24.713 capital cost in there. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12982-0 01:31:25.443 --> 01:31:25.993 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12984-0 01:31:27.863 --> 01:31:28.633 So that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12989-0 01:31:30.333 --> 01:31:32.263 You don't have that fluctuation. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13024-0 01:31:34.493 --> 01:31:38.219 And so then what? What, what are we gonna invest it in under 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13024-1 01:31:38.219 --> 01:31:41.822 weather is if it's a steady of what I'm hearing is that it 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13024-2 01:31:41.822 --> 01:31:45.303 becomes a you put it into the municipal rate steady the. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13046-0 01:31:46.493 --> 01:31:50.637 cost out the new year, right? That's the rational such right. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13046-1 01:31:50.637 --> 01:31:54.713 So the depreciation is included in the municipal cost, yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13070-0 01:31:55.513 --> 01:31:59.033 So that's the full cost it's I mean the full cost of recycling 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13070-1 01:31:59.033 --> 01:32:02.330 obviously includes capital cost and so that would have the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13070-2 01:32:02.330 --> 01:32:05.123 producer paying in that that that that full cost. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13079-0 01:32:06.393 --> 01:32:09.133 And which would keep it from going like this. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13081-0 01:32:10.033 --> 01:32:10.383 And then. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13089-0 01:32:11.363 --> 01:32:13.853 How do we account for the infrastructure investments? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13095-0 01:32:14.593 --> 01:32:15.923 Like, that's a separate account. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13111-0 01:32:16.813 --> 01:32:19.855 And it's going to draw down the actual cost of them supplies for 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13111-1 01:32:19.855 --> 01:32:20.743 their construction. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13122-0 01:32:25.663 --> 01:32:28.033 Oh, I see what you're saying. It's it's a granted. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13129-0 01:32:28.823 --> 01:32:30.883 Amount of money, right? Like there's no. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13151-0 01:32:31.903 --> 01:32:35.529 It's eventually to you didn't go back to the statue, but you 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13151-1 01:32:35.529 --> 01:32:39.215 know, to your grants or direct payments to municipalities for 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13151-2 01:32:39.215 --> 01:32:40.403 that infrastructure. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13161-0 01:32:41.113 --> 01:32:44.269 And they're going to own that infrastructure. Uh-huh. So they 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13161-1 01:32:44.269 --> 01:32:44.523 will. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13169-0 01:32:45.913 --> 01:32:48.493 How? How is that going to be account imported produce that? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13206-0 01:32:50.223 --> 01:32:54.033 Rate because it's on average across all the municipalities. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13206-1 01:32:54.033 --> 01:32:57.906 So municipality might might have gotten a grant for $1,000,000 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13206-2 01:32:57.906 --> 01:33:02.033 for Baler, another one didn't, right. And the one that got them 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13206-3 01:33:02.033 --> 01:33:03.683 free baler from the SO. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13226-0 01:33:05.083 --> 01:33:07.758 Still getting paid for it getting overpaid. It's still 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13226-1 01:33:07.758 --> 01:33:10.822 getting getting overpaid. Well, it's not that mean it's always 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13226-2 01:33:10.822 --> 01:33:11.843 gonna be at a median. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13245-0 01:33:12.913 --> 01:33:16.513 Yeah, but let's say let's say that at me, you know, for the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13245-1 01:33:16.513 --> 01:33:18.373 cost of everything else, right? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13257-0 01:33:19.033 --> 01:33:22.043 Shouldn't have to pay for balers they got. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13259-0 01:33:23.583 --> 01:33:23.913 3. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13265-0 01:33:24.813 --> 01:33:26.783 And what if the? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13305-0 01:33:28.183 --> 01:33:32.889 I think I I seen from in that it's skewing the cause but we we 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13305-1 01:33:32.889 --> 01:33:37.743 need to account for the cost of operating the machinery in order 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13305-2 01:33:37.743 --> 01:33:42.150 to come up with the the per time cost for the the previous 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13305-3 01:33:42.150 --> 01:33:44.913 payments. However the reimbursement. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13310-0 01:33:45.693 --> 01:33:47.653 Maybe doesn't mean to include that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13355-0 01:33:48.653 --> 01:33:52.162 Is is maybe maybe your point then then yeah. That's why I've. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13355-1 01:33:52.162 --> 01:33:55.670 I've not said that's something for free. It's cost. You know, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13355-2 01:33:55.670 --> 01:33:59.065 those types of right? Just the depreciation. You're talking 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13355-3 01:33:59.065 --> 01:34:02.686 about the depreciation just the depreciation. Yeah, but I guess 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13355-4 01:34:02.686 --> 01:34:04.723 we're like this might comes in way. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13361-0 01:34:05.623 --> 01:34:08.063 Statistics here, but. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13369-0 01:34:10.783 --> 01:34:14.723 The municipality is reporting there are tons. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13375-0 01:34:15.603 --> 01:34:17.243 Right. And then they get average. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13387-0 01:34:18.073 --> 01:34:21.648 Reimbursement for all these factors and if they've got, if 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13387-1 01:34:21.648 --> 01:34:23.283 that municipality has zero. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13395-0 01:34:24.053 --> 01:34:26.143 All these it doesn't show up. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13397-0 01:34:27.523 --> 01:34:27.833 Right. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13411-0 01:34:28.723 --> 01:34:31.665 And then that right, they're still getting reported. So I 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13411-1 01:34:31.665 --> 01:34:33.483 understand, right. And I may not. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13415-0 01:34:34.863 --> 01:34:35.913 They're getting. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13435-0 01:34:37.853 --> 01:34:40.046 Yeah, they're getting. They get, they get, they gotta get their 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13435-1 01:34:40.046 --> 01:34:42.034 median. And that's very clear in the statute. They get the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13435-2 01:34:42.034 --> 01:34:42.273 median. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13438-0 01:34:43.543 --> 01:34:44.503 And so. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13445-0 01:34:45.863 --> 01:34:48.403 The question is, when you're calculating their cost. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13464-0 01:34:49.713 --> 01:34:53.991 Do you have zeros in there for depreciation for anything that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13464-1 01:34:53.991 --> 01:34:56.543 they were granted? I believe that's. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13472-0 01:34:57.243 --> 01:34:59.293 That's the point that we're we're on. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13479-0 01:35:00.783 --> 01:35:03.163 You know that those other pieces are. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13486-0 01:35:03.573 --> 01:35:07.263 Umm, right. Operation costs as as. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13501-0 01:35:08.703 --> 01:35:11.380 Neal pointed out it's the depreciation, which is where 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13501-1 01:35:11.380 --> 01:35:12.693 that capital cost comes in. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13503-0 01:35:13.743 --> 01:35:14.363 And. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13514-0 01:35:15.413 --> 01:35:18.713 You're saying it's OK. It's gonna happen before. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13517-0 01:35:19.573 --> 01:35:20.483 More than. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13531-0 01:35:22.373 --> 01:35:26.683 Here's the tons. OK, the guys didn't get reimbursement. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13533-0 01:35:27.933 --> 01:35:28.463 Or. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13544-0 01:35:29.463 --> 01:35:33.433 Do they least depreciation they have to report that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13549-0 01:35:34.173 --> 01:35:35.403 Right. They have to break it out. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13571-0 01:35:36.903 --> 01:35:40.268 And the report to get that reimbursement portion, they 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13571-1 01:35:40.268 --> 01:35:44.112 would be reporting, but the SO would would basically track the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13571-2 01:35:44.112 --> 01:35:45.073 depreciation so. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13620-0 01:35:45.903 --> 01:35:48.722 When you buy it, when you buy a baler, you say I spent. I 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13620-1 01:35:48.722 --> 01:35:51.540 don't. I hate putting out numbers because I I know they're 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13620-2 01:35:51.540 --> 01:35:54.406 gonna be so bad. Anyone who knows like what they're talking 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13620-3 01:35:54.406 --> 01:35:57.320 about, but say it's a say it's 100 grand. Yeah. Just to make 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13620-4 01:35:57.320 --> 01:35:57.893 things easy. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13627-0 01:35:59.363 --> 01:36:02.253 And you expect it to last 20 years? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13634-0 01:36:03.933 --> 01:36:06.943 Umm, so that's five grand a year. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13640-0 01:36:09.023 --> 01:36:10.893 That's the depreciation cost. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13648-0 01:36:12.443 --> 01:36:14.763 And So what you're saying is if they're granted. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13665-0 01:36:16.073 --> 01:36:19.725 That 100,000, this has to be then that 5 grand a year is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13665-1 01:36:19.725 --> 01:36:21.903 actually not a municipal expense. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13667-0 01:36:26.013 --> 01:36:26.463 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13675-0 01:36:27.703 --> 01:36:30.603 So I think it might help just to say if. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13685-0 01:36:33.453 --> 01:36:36.470 Maybe I don't know how to equate this, but in terms of language 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13685-1 01:36:36.470 --> 01:36:37.553 that if you're granted. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13694-0 01:36:39.603 --> 01:36:43.685 These values, or if you're granted infrastructure you can't 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13694-1 01:36:43.685 --> 01:36:44.093 claim. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13699-0 01:36:44.793 --> 01:36:46.983 Appreciation and other costs. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13719-0 01:36:48.193 --> 01:36:51.147 Yeah, like it's so hard it. This is a really hard point. You 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13719-1 01:36:51.147 --> 01:36:53.083 brought up a really good point because. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13721-0 01:36:54.003 --> 01:36:54.433 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13728-0 01:36:55.113 --> 01:36:57.383 I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13738-0 01:36:59.633 --> 01:37:02.153 And then when I look at how it works. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13760-0 01:37:02.803 --> 01:37:07.195 Overtime, I think that the fund then gets in stable if you and I 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13760-1 01:37:07.195 --> 01:37:11.113 it I guess it depends how it works out because then like. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13769-0 01:37:11.783 --> 01:37:13.193 Well, it seems like what will happen is the. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13789-0 01:37:13.863 --> 01:37:17.802 They'll be a shift in the fund from what's in going out and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13789-1 01:37:17.802 --> 01:37:21.408 infrastructure and what's going out for the municipal 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13789-2 01:37:21.408 --> 01:37:23.143 reimbursements as we make. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13791-0 01:37:24.573 --> 01:37:25.183 You know. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13799-0 01:37:25.993 --> 01:37:28.803 As you make the payments from the Infrastructure fund. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13809-0 01:37:29.793 --> 01:37:33.063 And the amount of money that goes out over time, full slowly. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13813-0 01:37:34.983 --> 01:37:35.543 He wasn't. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13819-0 01:37:40.883 --> 01:37:41.773 I guess I'm not. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13853-0 01:37:43.413 --> 01:37:45.700 Then that's going to be interplay between the I guess 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13853-1 01:37:45.700 --> 01:37:48.198 you're talking if you think about the infrastructure fund, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13853-2 01:37:48.198 --> 01:37:50.823 then the other fund being two separate funds and there's just 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13853-3 01:37:50.823 --> 01:37:52.643 gonna be interplay between how those work. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13863-0 01:37:53.883 --> 01:37:55.953 You could put language in your rule that says. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13891-0 01:37:57.023 --> 01:38:00.847 I mean the the SO will know where they've invested in 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13891-1 01:38:00.847 --> 01:38:04.811 infrastructure, yes. So you could almost just put verbal 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13891-2 01:38:04.811 --> 01:38:05.853 languages says. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13905-0 01:38:09.073 --> 01:38:12.115 Municipalities receiving infrastructure investments under 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13905-1 01:38:12.115 --> 01:38:12.723 section 11. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13911-0 01:38:15.233 --> 01:38:18.463 But seek reimbursement for initiation. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13914-0 01:38:19.163 --> 01:38:19.953 I know the best thing. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13923-0 01:38:21.553 --> 01:38:25.293 Those absence for their or their reimbursement rate. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13931-0 01:38:25.963 --> 01:38:28.593 Values and must be zero that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13964-0 01:38:31.033 --> 01:38:34.853 They're reported costs, but that they'd still didn't. You still 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13964-1 01:38:34.853 --> 01:38:38.792 didn't with the the median and so and so basically what you end up 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13964-2 01:38:38.792 --> 01:38:42.553 doing is you're gonna have the municipalities that have gotten 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13964-3 01:38:42.553 --> 01:38:44.283 and it may be a fairly small. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13973-0 01:38:45.643 --> 01:38:47.463 It made that may be a fairly small. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13992-0 01:38:48.423 --> 01:38:51.444 Amount of relative amount of money to what we're talking 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13992-1 01:38:51.444 --> 01:38:54.093 about, in which case it it's much less important. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14000-0 01:38:54.743 --> 01:38:57.895 So but, but you could potentially have situations 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14000-1 01:38:57.895 --> 01:38:58.273 where. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14006-0 01:39:05.343 --> 01:39:07.333 If you discount the whole median. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14010-0 01:39:07.613 --> 01:39:09.123 But the structure but. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14030-0 01:39:11.683 --> 01:39:16.287 He mean like my particular payment. Me town. Elena. Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14030-1 01:39:16.287 --> 01:39:20.493 Have my median payment. But I was given a grant for. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14037-0 01:39:21.813 --> 01:39:24.563 My baler and so my. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14050-0 01:39:24.663 --> 01:39:28.959 Uh, my repayment gets five, though that 5000 bucks gets 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14050-1 01:39:28.959 --> 01:39:30.953 taken out of my repayment. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14060-0 01:39:31.823 --> 01:39:34.013 You know, it would be more. It was almost like a like a. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14080-0 01:39:34.803 --> 01:39:38.504 You know, I'm trying to think about numbers here, my brains 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14080-1 01:39:38.504 --> 01:39:42.143 breaking, but So what? The annual infrastructure budget is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14080-2 01:39:42.143 --> 01:39:42.883 100 million. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14093-0 01:39:43.503 --> 01:39:48.133 200 bucks? No, no. Say $10 million like 27. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14102-0 01:39:49.923 --> 01:39:54.203 That value across see, but what it does though, isn't. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14126-0 01:39:54.993 --> 01:39:57.984 This incentivizes anybody for coming for the infrastructure. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14126-1 01:39:57.984 --> 01:40:01.072 It's it's a, it's a really tough point. You're talking about a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14126-2 01:40:01.072 --> 01:40:02.003 really tough point. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14132-0 01:40:03.073 --> 01:40:04.163 Because you'd be like I. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14139-0 01:40:04.973 --> 01:40:06.803 You know, I'll take the median. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14152-0 01:40:07.923 --> 01:40:10.336 Because if I take the infrastructure that well, no. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14152-1 01:40:10.336 --> 01:40:10.753 But then. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14163-0 01:40:14.603 --> 01:40:17.303 Maybe something we need to come back to. It's it's a. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14191-0 01:40:20.343 --> 01:40:24.019 Can I can I see both? I see problems with both ways of doing 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14191-1 01:40:24.019 --> 01:40:27.755 it, and unless there's another way I sort of I think you were 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14191-2 01:40:27.755 --> 01:40:31.129 sort of suggesting, could you take that total municipal 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14191-3 01:40:31.129 --> 01:40:32.213 reimbursement and? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14194-0 01:40:33.093 --> 01:40:33.943 Knock. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14203-0 01:40:35.923 --> 01:40:39.093 the depreciation for whatever was granted. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14214-0 01:40:39.983 --> 01:40:43.171 Through the infrastructure at but which would make it more of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14214-1 01:40:43.171 --> 01:40:43.273 a. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14229-0 01:40:44.913 --> 01:40:49.266 Sort of borrowing to repay back system for that infrastructure 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14229-1 01:40:49.266 --> 01:40:51.753 fund as opposed to an actual grant. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14304-0 01:40:55.313 --> 01:40:58.884 I'm gonna read the grant, and then I'm gonna read the grant. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14304-1 01:40:58.884 --> 01:41:02.688 Sorry. I'm gonna read the chat, and then we'll go to the town of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14304-2 01:41:02.688 --> 01:41:06.259 Brunswick. We should talk about that further. Yeah, we could 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14304-3 01:41:06.259 --> 01:41:09.771 talk about that further. OK, so Alex and many jurisdictions 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14304-4 01:41:09.771 --> 01:41:13.049 here, only the operations costs and the cost of capital 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14304-5 01:41:13.049 --> 01:41:16.619 depreciation is captured in the municipal funding. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14304-6 01:41:16.619 --> 01:41:20.423 Consumer, producer fees investment capital does not accounted for. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14309-0 01:41:21.873 --> 01:41:24.563 Thank you. And now I'm gonna. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14319-0 01:41:25.483 --> 01:41:28.453 How many you would make the time of Brunswick? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14322-0 01:41:28.533 --> 01:41:28.893 Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14324-0 01:41:30.873 --> 01:41:31.123 Right. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14331-0 01:41:33.683 --> 01:41:35.023 Hi there. Can you hear me? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14332-0 01:41:35.203 --> 01:41:35.693 Yes. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14354-0 01:41:36.033 --> 01:41:39.504 OK. So I'll just wanted to flag that it's pretty. It's pretty 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14354-1 01:41:39.504 --> 01:41:43.086 easy to hear, Elena, but I was struggling to hear the gentleman 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14354-2 01:41:43.086 --> 01:41:46.388 in that conversation a little bit that voices are a little 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14354-3 01:41:46.388 --> 01:41:46.723 quiet. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14365-0 01:41:47.283 --> 01:41:51.426 Umm, so I just wanted to flag that but and I also just wanted 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14365-1 01:41:51.426 --> 01:41:51.893 to say. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14411-0 01:41:52.833 --> 01:41:56.487 But I just sort of have a point of clarification if you're 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14411-1 01:41:56.487 --> 01:42:00.265 talking about grants that the stewardship organization would 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14411-2 01:42:00.265 --> 01:42:03.981 offer municipalities or if you're talking about other types 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14411-3 01:42:03.981 --> 01:42:07.944 of grants that like the federal government may offer, maybe EPA 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14411-4 01:42:07.944 --> 01:42:10.173 or something like that might offer. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14435-0 01:42:10.773 --> 01:42:13.643 Umm so I don't know if there's a difference there and if that's 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14435-1 01:42:13.643 --> 01:42:16.379 if you're talking about that. And then I also just wanted to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14435-2 01:42:16.379 --> 01:42:17.903 say too that grants are not free. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14500-0 01:42:19.483 --> 01:42:23.781 Municipalities pay for grants in the form of a match, so they're 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14500-1 01:42:23.781 --> 01:42:28.078 usually at 20% or 50%, and most often for things like equipment, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14500-2 01:42:28.078 --> 01:42:32.111 it's 50%. I've only really seen 20% matches for like Rd, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14500-3 01:42:32.111 --> 01:42:36.276 building projects and so I just wanted to make sure that those 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14500-4 01:42:36.276 --> 01:42:40.375 depreciation numbers aren't zero if the municipalities has to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14500-5 01:42:40.375 --> 01:42:44.540 have to contribute a match. So I just wanted to throw that out 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14500-6 01:42:44.540 --> 01:42:45.663 there. Thank you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14539-0 01:42:46.843 --> 01:42:49.836 Andy, we're both talking about only grants through the SO, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14539-1 01:42:49.836 --> 01:42:52.828 right? Yeah, yeah. So we can clarify on that one question. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14539-2 01:42:52.828 --> 01:42:55.668 Anyway, Chrissy, just we were just talking about grants 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14539-3 01:42:55.668 --> 01:42:57.443 through the SO, not other grants. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14538-0 01:42:56.783 --> 01:42:57.183 OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14542-0 01:42:58.163 --> 01:42:58.653 Thank you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14545-0 01:43:00.763 --> 01:43:01.153 Thanks. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14549-0 01:43:12.053 --> 01:43:12.773 Yes, OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14562-0 01:43:13.553 --> 01:43:20.406 All right. So the next municipal cost is the municipal structure 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14562-1 01:43:20.406 --> 01:43:20.933 cost. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14583-0 01:43:21.803 --> 01:43:26.096 Umm this one similar to the the equipment cost here we're gonna 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14583-1 01:43:26.096 --> 01:43:29.113 get a sum for each municipal structure used. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14606-0 01:43:30.243 --> 01:43:33.758 For the percent use on a specific packaging stream 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14606-1 01:43:33.758 --> 01:43:37.686 multiplied by the sum of maintenance cost, depreciation, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14606-2 01:43:37.686 --> 01:43:39.753 debt, interest paid and lease. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14641-0 01:43:40.483 --> 01:43:44.862 So we follow up by saying that the audits conducted by the SO 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14641-1 01:43:44.862 --> 01:43:49.241 will define the percent you use on a specific packaging stream 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14641-2 01:43:49.241 --> 01:43:53.481 for each municipal structure. Examples of structures include 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14641-3 01:43:53.481 --> 01:43:57.234 containers, warehouses, buildings, trailers, roll off 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14641-4 01:43:57.234 --> 01:43:58.693 containers, etcetera. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14673-0 01:43:59.443 --> 01:44:03.748 If a space in a structure is used to process multiple 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14673-1 01:44:03.748 --> 01:44:08.849 packaging streams, the cost of that space needs to be allocated 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14673-2 01:44:08.849 --> 01:44:13.233 using the nonspecific cost per ton equation coming up. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14715-0 01:44:14.683 --> 01:44:18.956 So the maintenance cost is very similar for saying let's not go 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14715-1 01:44:18.956 --> 01:44:23.095 through all well, it just has one, just the first sentence is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14715-2 01:44:23.095 --> 01:44:27.033 different. It's reported by the municipality and it is the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14715-3 01:44:27.033 --> 01:44:30.772 amount spent parts, labor and construction materials to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14715-4 01:44:30.772 --> 01:44:34.643 service a structure. So a little different than supplies. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14720-0 01:44:35.323 --> 01:44:37.863 Referenced in equipment costs, but. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14748-0 01:44:38.533 --> 01:44:42.328 Yep, if if municipal staff is performing the maintenance same 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14748-1 01:44:42.328 --> 01:44:45.938 equation there hours spent maintaining a structure divided 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14748-2 01:44:45.938 --> 01:44:49.182 by total annual hours worked multiplied by the total 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14748-3 01:44:49.182 --> 01:44:50.283 compensation page. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14766-0 01:44:51.823 --> 01:44:57.422 Hey, depreciation costs nothing else, is it same debt interest 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14766-1 01:44:57.422 --> 01:44:59.433 paid, same lease, same. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14768-0 01:45:00.383 --> 01:45:01.293 And. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14785-0 01:45:02.553 --> 01:45:05.911 That puts us at the municipal energy cost. Any questions on 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14785-1 01:45:05.911 --> 01:45:08.373 that structure? Yeah, additional questions. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14788-0 01:45:09.743 --> 01:45:10.043 Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14800-0 01:45:11.353 --> 01:45:16.203 So I'm make its cost. Yeah, you can bring specific basically. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14802-0 01:45:18.873 --> 01:45:19.523 Morning, about. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14813-0 01:45:20.553 --> 01:45:23.663 Seems like all the costs associated to the structure. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14821-0 01:45:24.443 --> 01:45:26.813 Are are part of what it takes to keep the. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14824-0 01:45:28.653 --> 01:45:29.053 The. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14830-0 01:45:31.733 --> 01:45:32.463 Such as. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14859-0 01:45:33.213 --> 01:45:36.719 Well, like I was thinking like, like lawn mowers like 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14859-1 01:45:36.719 --> 01:45:40.166 equipment. Also other things that maybe are not don't fit 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14859-2 01:45:40.166 --> 01:45:42.483 into, it's not a party, not labor but. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14864-0 01:45:44.143 --> 01:45:44.873 You still need it. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14881-0 01:45:48.053 --> 01:45:51.500 Like a like a like a lawn like facility maintenance stuff like 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14881-1 01:45:51.500 --> 01:45:52.703 lawn mowers and stuff. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14891-0 01:45:53.523 --> 01:45:56.213 Yeah, just like all the equipment that you have to. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14896-0 01:45:56.913 --> 01:45:58.443 Maintain the facility as a whole. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14909-0 01:46:00.293 --> 01:46:03.378 Yeah, we kind of went back and forth on that and we wondered if 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14909-1 01:46:03.378 --> 01:46:03.763 it were. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14923-0 01:46:05.133 --> 01:46:08.038 We went, we, we did discuss that we went back and forth and we 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14923-1 01:46:08.038 --> 01:46:08.913 wondered if it was. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14952-0 01:46:10.243 --> 01:46:13.849 just a tiny cost that we weren't gonna 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14952-1 01:46:13.849 --> 01:46:17.700 bother to capture. But I don't know if any of them, if there's 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14952-2 01:46:17.700 --> 01:46:20.083 any municipal people online that have. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14958-0 01:46:21.513 --> 01:46:23.063 Any thoughts on that? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14964-0 01:46:24.303 --> 01:46:25.813 It it seems harder to. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14978-0 01:46:27.263 --> 01:46:30.574 Trying to break things down and fit them into beats specific 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14978-1 01:46:30.574 --> 01:46:32.093 buckets than it does to say. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14981-0 01:46:33.223 --> 01:46:33.733 It's caused. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14987-0 01:46:34.903 --> 01:46:36.463 Maybe in a simple application? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14990-0 01:46:37.613 --> 01:46:37.983 Whatever. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15003-0 01:46:39.253 --> 01:46:42.588 You need to break them down that far in order to make sure that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15003-1 01:46:42.588 --> 01:46:43.213 it's a part. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15008-0 01:46:44.003 --> 01:46:44.703 Or labor. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15044-0 01:46:47.433 --> 01:46:50.897 Well, we were assuming that it'd be easier to assign like that if 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15044-1 01:46:50.897 --> 01:46:54.045 you have maintenance on a. If you have a build that say you 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15044-2 01:46:54.045 --> 01:46:57.246 have a storage building that it's pretty that it's easier to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15044-3 01:46:57.246 --> 01:47:00.131 know what the maintenance associated with that storage 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15044-4 01:47:00.131 --> 01:47:01.023 building is then. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15049-0 01:47:01.913 --> 01:47:03.433 It is to. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15070-0 01:47:07.113 --> 01:47:10.162 I guess the alternative is to look at it potentially of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15070-1 01:47:10.162 --> 01:47:13.591 facility that you're suggesting a facility wide level and then 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15070-2 01:47:13.591 --> 01:47:13.863 just? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15078-0 01:47:15.063 --> 01:47:17.313 Have it be a shared post, like an overhead cost. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15088-0 01:47:18.863 --> 01:47:21.803 Which is a whole other section. Nonspecific cost? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15090-0 01:47:22.543 --> 01:47:23.043 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15097-0 01:47:28.323 --> 01:47:30.233 In something to think about, OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15103-0 01:47:37.043 --> 01:47:38.463 Anyone else have any thoughts on that? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15111-0 01:47:45.803 --> 01:47:47.503 Wait, Tony does hold on. Hey. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15129-0 01:47:54.903 --> 01:47:58.410 Yeah, some someone mentioned the lawn mower. We have a, uh, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15129-1 01:47:58.410 --> 01:48:00.513 recycling center with a small lawn. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15135-0 01:48:02.143 --> 01:48:05.203 And I can't imagine trying to. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15148-0 01:48:06.373 --> 01:48:10.069 And and that lawn mower and Labor's not specific to that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15148-1 01:48:10.069 --> 01:48:10.393 site. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15150-0 01:48:11.833 --> 01:48:12.543 So. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15169-0 01:48:13.623 --> 01:48:16.978 Elana, I think of Jessica. You mentioned trying not to capture 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15169-1 01:48:16.978 --> 01:48:20.333 that, that type of information. That might be too minuscule. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15172-0 01:48:22.973 --> 01:48:23.333 Thank you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15177-0 01:48:23.753 --> 01:48:24.373 They'll come and go. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15190-0 01:48:25.533 --> 01:48:28.403 Yeah. Yeah. And it's coming to cut your lawn, he says. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15193-0 01:48:29.313 --> 01:48:30.123 What's that now? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15199-0 01:48:30.803 --> 01:48:32.453 And he says he's coming to cut your lawn. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15202-0 01:48:32.843 --> 01:48:33.673 No problem. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15205-0 01:48:35.963 --> 01:48:36.893 I'll watch. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15210-0 01:48:38.843 --> 01:48:40.543 I'm retired now, don't forget. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15231-0 01:48:55.833 --> 01:48:58.968 Gotta keep getting OK. So all questions 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15231-1 01:48:58.968 --> 01:49:00.563 asked. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15258-0 01:49:01.883 --> 01:49:06.054 Yeah, I think we're all saying that. Yeah, alright. So we're 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15258-1 01:49:06.054 --> 01:49:10.362 gonna municipal energy costs. This too is a sum for each piece 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15258-2 01:49:10.362 --> 01:49:13.233 of municipal equipment or structure used. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15265-0 01:49:14.083 --> 01:49:16.683 I total metered energy. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15294-0 01:49:17.743 --> 01:49:21.227 Which is the amount of energy provided on a given invoice 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15294-1 01:49:21.227 --> 01:49:24.771 meter or tank usage, supply, equipment or structures. This 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15294-2 01:49:24.771 --> 01:49:27.113 input is reported by the municipality. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15308-0 01:49:27.783 --> 01:49:32.614 And the percent metered energy use which is defined using 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15308-1 01:49:32.614 --> 01:49:34.613 audits conducted by the SO. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15347-0 01:49:35.633 --> 01:49:39.657 And the percent used to a specific packaging stream, which 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15347-1 01:49:39.657 --> 01:49:43.817 is the same input used for the equipment and structure costs 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15347-2 01:49:43.817 --> 01:49:48.114 mentioned earlier and average cost per unit of metered energy, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15347-3 01:49:48.114 --> 01:49:50.773 which is provided by the municipality. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15355-0 01:49:54.053 --> 01:49:58.213 Any questions about municipal energy costs? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15360-0 01:50:06.203 --> 01:50:07.473 Nope. OK, so. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15372-0 01:50:09.033 --> 01:50:13.559 We move on to municipal revenue shared per ton commodity 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15372-1 01:50:13.559 --> 01:50:14.353 delivered. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15406-0 01:50:15.083 --> 01:50:18.786 Umm, this is the money that's paid to an entity that provides 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15406-1 01:50:18.786 --> 01:50:22.071 the packaging stream to a municipality, such as when a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15406-2 01:50:22.071 --> 01:50:25.773 municipality pays a hauler for delivering a packaging stream. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15427-0 01:50:26.523 --> 01:50:30.155 And revenue shared per ton commodity delivered also needs 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15427-1 01:50:30.155 --> 01:50:33.913 to be used in cases where one municipality is contracting. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15463-0 01:50:34.603 --> 01:50:39.011 With another municipality to avoid double counting of tons 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15463-1 01:50:39.011 --> 01:50:43.866 commodity delivered. So we have a hypothetical for this one, not 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15463-2 01:50:43.866 --> 01:50:48.572 a hypothetical. This happens in Maine, true. So we have a real 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15463-3 01:50:48.572 --> 01:50:49.543 example here. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15474-0 01:50:50.873 --> 01:50:55.363 A. For instance, uh, let's say town delivery. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15524-0 01:50:56.063 --> 01:51:00.821 Provides a packaging stream to town processor for further 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15524-1 01:51:00.821 --> 01:51:05.743 management. Any compensation provided to town delivery from 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15524-2 01:51:05.743 --> 01:51:10.009 town processor is revenue shared. We know here that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15524-3 01:51:10.009 --> 01:51:13.782 revenue shared could be a negative value. The 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15524-4 01:51:13.782 --> 01:51:18.458 reimbursement for the tons commodity delivered resulting 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15524-5 01:51:18.458 --> 01:51:23.298 from the shared packaging stream would be assigned to town 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15524-6 01:51:23.298 --> 01:51:26.333 processor. However this cooperation. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15541-0 01:51:26.413 --> 01:51:29.546 Allows town delivery to be a participating municipality with 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15541-1 01:51:29.546 --> 01:51:32.473 regard to packaging material managed through the stream. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15579-0 01:51:33.273 --> 01:51:37.018 So town delivery is providing for the collection and recycling 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15579-1 01:51:37.018 --> 01:51:40.882 of this packaging stream, while town processor is fulfilling the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15579-2 01:51:40.882 --> 01:51:44.627 reporting requirement. So and revenue shared per ton commodity 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15579-3 01:51:44.627 --> 01:51:47.183 delivered is reported by the municipality. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15603-0 01:51:54.273 --> 01:51:59.313 And I no questions in house. So we'll move on to the next input 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15603-1 01:51:59.313 --> 01:52:03.723 which is municipal revenue per ton commodity delivered. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15649-0 01:52:04.983 --> 01:52:08.612 This is the revenue received by a municipality from the sale of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15649-1 01:52:08.612 --> 01:52:11.674 a commodity. It must be subtracted from the commodity 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15649-2 01:52:11.674 --> 01:52:15.077 cost per ton unless it is not returned directly, but rather 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15649-3 01:52:15.077 --> 01:52:18.082 used to offset a cost. The revenue per ton commodity 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15649-4 01:52:18.082 --> 01:52:20.803 delivered will be reported by the municipality. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15662-0 01:52:24.133 --> 01:52:28.714 Questions. Yes. Questions because we just got through the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15662-1 01:52:28.714 --> 01:52:29.503 easy part. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15664-0 01:52:30.683 --> 01:52:31.363 No. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15684-0 01:52:35.333 --> 01:52:38.886 We don't have questions. We'll move on to the the contracted 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15684-1 01:52:38.886 --> 01:52:42.148 commodity cost per time, municipal contracted commodity 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15684-2 01:52:42.148 --> 01:52:42.963 cost per time. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15687-0 01:52:45.733 --> 01:52:46.743 Nothing house. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15700-0 01:52:48.283 --> 01:52:52.833 OK. So the cost of services contracted by municipality? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15709-0 01:52:54.043 --> 01:52:56.453 Gonna need to be assigned to a commodity. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15730-0 01:52:58.003 --> 01:53:02.583 The method for determining municipal contracted commodity 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15730-1 01:53:02.583 --> 01:53:07.400 cost per ton will depend on the contract. So the three black 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15730-2 01:53:07.400 --> 01:53:09.453 bullets following are the. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15791-0 01:53:10.503 --> 01:53:14.414 The three types of contracts we've got, so first one when the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15791-1 01:53:14.414 --> 01:53:18.198 contract is for the management of a single packaging stream 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15791-2 01:53:18.198 --> 01:53:21.604 resulting in the sale of a single commodity, detailed 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15791-3 01:53:21.604 --> 01:53:24.946 accounting of costs won't be required. The municipal 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15791-4 01:53:24.946 --> 01:53:28.730 contracted commodity cost per ton is going to be equal to a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15791-5 01:53:28.730 --> 01:53:32.893 simple contracted municipal cost divided by the tons of commodity 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15791-6 01:53:32.893 --> 01:53:33.523 delivered. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15802-0 01:53:34.393 --> 01:53:38.703 And we go further in a lot of these defining those inputs. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15832-0 01:53:40.523 --> 01:53:44.611 Contracted Municipal cost is the full contract amount paid by the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15832-1 01:53:44.611 --> 01:53:48.698 municipality and both that input and tons commodity delivered are 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15832-2 01:53:48.698 --> 01:53:50.493 reported by the municipality. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15873-0 01:53:52.423 --> 01:53:56.465 The second type of contract is not for the management of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15873-1 01:53:56.465 --> 01:54:00.861 packaging streams only, as is in the case when a municipality 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15873-2 01:54:00.861 --> 01:54:05.399 contracts a private company to operate a transfer station. Then 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15873-3 01:54:05.399 --> 01:54:08.873 the municipal contracted commodity cost per ton. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15953-0 01:54:09.563 --> 01:54:13.720 Is as follows, so it looks familiar. It's similar to the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15953-1 01:54:13.720 --> 01:54:18.315 commodity cost per ton from the municipalities. You've got the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15953-2 01:54:18.315 --> 01:54:21.815 sum of Labor costs, the contracted labor costs, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15953-3 01:54:21.815 --> 01:54:26.483 equipment cost structure, costs and energy costs divided by the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15953-4 01:54:26.483 --> 01:54:31.004 tons commodity delivered. You add some more inputs there. The 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15953-5 01:54:31.004 --> 01:54:35.599 revenue shared, shared hauling cost, nonspecific cost per time 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15953-6 01:54:35.599 --> 01:54:40.193 and then subtract that revenue per ton of commodity delivered. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15977-0 01:54:40.523 --> 01:54:44.307 Contractor inputs are determined using the same method as the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15977-1 01:54:44.307 --> 01:54:48.090 municipal inputs. Contracted entities will have the option to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15977-2 01:54:48.090 --> 01:54:50.653 report these inputs directly to the SO. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15981-0 01:54:53.313 --> 01:54:54.343 Questions on that one. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15989-0 01:54:58.103 --> 01:55:00.993 Basically, you're figuring it the same way that that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15997-0 01:55:02.413 --> 01:55:04.233 You are of the municipality is doing it. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15999-0 01:55:06.973 --> 01:55:07.413 A bit. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16006-0 01:55:08.373 --> 01:55:09.943 Contractor doesn't have two. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16013-0 01:55:11.653 --> 01:55:14.203 So basically the municipality, right, the. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16036-0 01:55:18.353 --> 01:55:21.426 But if a municipality wants to participate, then they 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16036-1 01:55:21.426 --> 01:55:23.903 need to contract with someone who's gonna report. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16040-0 01:55:32.023 --> 01:55:33.083 To our collection of. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16048-0 01:55:33.823 --> 01:55:35.743 Thanks a lot on the current bond. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16066-0 01:55:37.033 --> 01:55:40.649 I recontract with those to every house in town either Wednesday 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16066-1 01:55:40.649 --> 01:55:41.383 and Thursday. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16074-0 01:55:42.253 --> 01:55:44.083 Is that trash and single sort? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16088-0 01:55:45.243 --> 01:55:48.345 Did take single sort of the facility up until covered, then 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16088-1 01:55:48.345 --> 01:55:48.913 they start. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16104-0 01:55:49.623 --> 01:55:53.649 Handling that stuff and has been no desire to start taking it 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16104-1 01:55:53.649 --> 01:55:54.233 again at. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16138-0 01:55:55.673 --> 01:55:59.393 It's all done at the curb. He simply sends a truck around and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16138-1 01:55:59.393 --> 01:56:02.995 picks up the single sort for the week, brings it into after 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16138-2 01:56:02.995 --> 01:56:04.293 sorting, we weigh it. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16147-0 01:56:05.263 --> 01:56:07.193 Give him a ticket. He better. OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16156-0 01:56:08.143 --> 01:56:10.413 transport to his facility for sorting. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16161-0 01:56:11.623 --> 01:56:12.693 Sandy River and found. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16168-0 01:56:16.523 --> 01:56:17.803 At $85 a ton. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16173-0 01:56:18.163 --> 01:56:20.013 OK, it's gone. We're done. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16183-0 01:56:22.583 --> 01:56:26.103 Facility really isn't used to handle recyclables at all. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16197-0 01:56:27.713 --> 01:56:30.700 The e-waste of money able to brush and the to chipping other 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16197-1 01:56:30.700 --> 01:56:31.973 Not like it's done. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16215-0 01:56:33.073 --> 01:56:36.452 Of course. Did you ever studied by shingles and all that other 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16215-1 01:56:36.452 --> 01:56:37.363 stuff themselves? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16254-0 01:56:39.193 --> 01:56:42.890 Our cost is the piece of the curbside collection contract. We 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16254-1 01:56:42.890 --> 01:56:46.468 have to pick up recyclables, along with solid waste and the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16254-2 01:56:46.468 --> 01:56:50.105 tipping fee for him to take it away wouldn't be way after we 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16254-3 01:56:50.105 --> 01:56:50.403 wait. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16257-0 01:56:51.193 --> 01:56:52.083 Both of them. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16275-0 01:56:53.243 --> 01:56:58.049 Subject to being reimbursed in this program. Yeah, so that the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16275-1 01:56:58.049 --> 01:57:01.023 collection cost is gonna be under the. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16277-0 01:57:02.053 --> 01:57:02.503 So. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16311-0 01:57:04.253 --> 01:57:07.538 Are you saying that does he have a two? Does he have a two bucket 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16311-1 01:57:07.538 --> 01:57:10.176 truck? Does he have a 2 compartment truck or does he 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16311-2 01:57:10.176 --> 01:57:12.964 have running heat does? Otherwise he sends two separate 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16311-3 01:57:12.964 --> 01:57:15.153 one for the single material, one the trash. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16338-0 01:57:16.743 --> 01:57:20.047 Until you have a single contract, you're saying that's 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16338-1 01:57:20.047 --> 01:57:23.530 for the just the curbside pickup of trash and recyclables 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16338-2 01:57:23.530 --> 01:57:26.413 together, there's not two different line items. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16389-0 01:57:27.213 --> 01:57:30.649 And then you have. Is that correct? And then you pay per 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16389-1 01:57:30.649 --> 01:57:34.084 ton for tipping fee, no one contractive $146,000 for the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16389-2 01:57:34.084 --> 01:57:37.399 collection. Uh-huh. We have another contract that says 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16389-3 01:57:37.399 --> 01:57:41.136 you'll you'll take our stuff directly to this planned for any 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16389-4 01:57:41.136 --> 01:57:42.883 $85 a ton based on a scale. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16407-0 01:57:44.493 --> 01:57:48.277 So your collection cost is mixed. Single stream and trash 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16407-1 01:57:48.277 --> 01:57:49.973 would have to define that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16409-0 01:57:50.053 --> 01:57:50.523 OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16412-0 01:57:52.043 --> 01:57:52.593 Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16429-0 01:57:53.473 --> 01:57:57.166 Yeah. And shared hauling, I think that I think, yeah, I 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16429-1 01:57:57.166 --> 01:58:00.463 think that's going in shared hauling even though. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16437-0 01:58:09.423 --> 01:58:11.713 Even though it's certainly reimbursable. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16445-0 01:58:12.363 --> 01:58:15.043 That's an easy answer. It seems like it. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16473-0 01:58:16.173 --> 01:58:19.188 Yeah, well, no unique in that. We didn't invent this or several 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16473-1 01:58:19.188 --> 01:58:21.968 pounds when you get involved. Climbing didn't do this. The 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16473-2 01:58:21.968 --> 01:58:24.842 entire contract come around once a week. Everybody stuff up. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16473-3 01:58:24.842 --> 01:58:26.113 That's the end of it. Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16481-0 01:58:28.893 --> 01:58:31.403 Yeah. And so the the question of how? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16489-0 01:58:32.093 --> 01:58:34.883 That contract, so that would be the contract for management of. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16493-0 01:58:35.723 --> 01:58:36.793 Multiple streams. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16510-0 01:58:37.623 --> 01:58:40.529 And so just be a matter of working out how much of that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16510-1 01:58:40.529 --> 01:58:42.293 contract you give to each stream. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16515-0 01:58:43.043 --> 01:58:44.933 And so, you know, if you had a. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16519-0 01:58:46.453 --> 01:58:48.003 You had a 2. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16541-0 01:58:50.293 --> 01:58:52.815 If you, it's gonna be different, right? If you have the two 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16541-1 01:58:52.815 --> 01:58:55.295 compartment truck versus the single track, like you have a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16541-2 01:58:55.295 --> 01:58:56.093 single truck truck. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16552-0 01:58:57.083 --> 01:59:00.040 You can just figure out how many times does he take the truck 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16552-1 01:59:00.040 --> 01:59:00.373 around. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16560-0 01:59:02.133 --> 01:59:04.523 To do trash versus take the truck around to do. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16564-0 01:59:05.553 --> 01:59:06.403 Thing that's going on. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16598-0 01:59:06.483 --> 01:59:10.242 We're not having one behind the other contractors this this less 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16598-1 01:59:10.242 --> 01:59:13.885 of it less time it show what it would be 2500 tons of MSW here 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16598-2 01:59:13.885 --> 01:59:16.949 and turn the tons of recyclables, these picking up a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16598-3 01:59:16.949 --> 01:59:19.493 lot less recycled with instructors usually. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16643-0 01:59:20.803 --> 01:59:23.722 That's still got two men on it, and it's still traveling the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16643-1 01:59:23.722 --> 01:59:26.736 same monitor, so I don't know how that would break out for not 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16643-2 01:59:26.736 --> 01:59:29.607 asking you to figure that out, but somebody bought someday, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16643-3 01:59:29.607 --> 01:59:32.573 right? But just separated it. Yep. Yeah. No, I. Yeah, I think 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16643-4 01:59:32.573 --> 01:59:33.673 that I think that's OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16671-0 01:59:35.313 --> 01:59:38.713 And we still have a fairly brand new single soft contact to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16671-1 01:59:38.713 --> 01:59:42.000 sitting there to talk, you know, and we may switch 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16671-2 01:59:42.000 --> 01:59:45.457 tomorrow. So I can't picture that happening right now. Pixel 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16671-3 01:59:45.457 --> 01:59:47.213 closes tomorrow officially, so. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16674-0 01:59:48.363 --> 01:59:49.063 Things are open. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16679-0 01:59:57.283 --> 01:59:58.613 In this case the. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16685-0 02:00:00.053 --> 02:00:00.813 End of January. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16696-0 02:00:02.953 --> 02:00:08.853 Our report, but the contractor is just a line item cost. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16753-0 02:00:10.043 --> 02:00:13.167 And beyond that, nothing. None of none of what goes into the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16753-1 02:00:13.167 --> 02:00:15.931 cost of the contractor is reported is, is that right? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16753-2 02:00:15.931 --> 02:00:19.259 Because no, not in this case. In this case, where he's got trash 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16753-3 02:00:19.259 --> 02:00:22.434 and single stream, you gotta you gotta separate that out. The 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16753-4 02:00:22.434 --> 02:00:25.608 cost of the trash versus the cost of the single stream. So we 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16753-5 02:00:25.608 --> 02:00:28.833 would need to the so would need to work with the contractor to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16753-6 02:00:28.833 --> 02:00:30.113 separate out those costs. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16768-0 02:00:30.973 --> 02:00:36.335 Yes, separate those those costs. But the cost for just the single 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16768-1 02:00:36.335 --> 02:00:36.903 stream. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16794-0 02:00:40.783 --> 02:00:45.528 The the contractor is not obligated to report on what goes 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16794-1 02:00:45.528 --> 02:00:50.513 into his hit, making his cost justify the 85 per time, right? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16833-0 02:00:52.403 --> 02:00:55.837 So you need to the contract is not obligated at all. There's no 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16833-1 02:00:55.837 --> 02:00:59.109 obligation from the contractor. Jay would need to say if you 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16833-2 02:00:59.109 --> 02:01:02.273 wanna do this for us, we wanna participate. So you need a. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16866-0 02:01:03.063 --> 02:01:06.116 Communicate with the so to to get this reporting done is how 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16866-1 02:01:06.116 --> 02:01:09.119 that would have to work because the contractor obviously is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16866-2 02:01:09.119 --> 02:01:12.221 under no obligation neither's Jay really, but if Jay wants to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16866-3 02:01:12.221 --> 02:01:14.773 participate then you need that you need that data. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16877-0 02:01:15.653 --> 02:01:17.793 Otherwise, you don't only needs the time to train. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16903-0 02:01:20.493 --> 02:01:23.621 From Jay. Yeah, but you need to talk to the contractor to be 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16903-1 02:01:23.621 --> 02:01:26.646 able to get those costs to figure out the trash versus the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16903-2 02:01:26.646 --> 02:01:27.363 single stream. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16909-0 02:01:28.813 --> 02:01:29.923 Yes, we can. We can do that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16922-0 02:01:30.973 --> 02:01:33.790 And so the so would have to work with the contractor to to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16922-1 02:01:33.790 --> 02:01:34.983 separate out those costs. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16929-0 02:01:36.113 --> 02:01:38.823 And Jay would be reporting how much they. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16936-0 02:01:40.153 --> 02:01:42.183 Yeah, that's I. Yeah, I think that's. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16940-0 02:01:51.883 --> 02:01:52.743 Because otherwise. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16946-0 02:01:54.283 --> 02:01:56.333 One the the producers have no. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16964-0 02:01:57.073 --> 02:02:01.152 Have no check on that on on sort of understanding that that cost 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16964-1 02:02:01.152 --> 02:02:04.163 is the the actual cost. You know where there's. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16973-0 02:02:05.513 --> 02:02:08.363 To prevent that subsidization, of the trash. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16979-0 02:02:09.243 --> 02:02:10.993 You need to look at those costs more closely. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17007-0 02:02:18.313 --> 02:02:22.034 But see, no matter how much we think we got every single little 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17007-1 02:02:22.034 --> 02:02:25.755 thing exactly in here. But I it can, it can fit like I think to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17007-2 02:02:25.755 --> 02:02:27.033 a certain degree like. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17029-0 02:02:27.763 --> 02:02:32.154 I think if it's clear that it's that it's a covered cost and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17029-1 02:02:32.154 --> 02:02:36.473 it's sort of clear how these costs should be separated out. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17039-0 02:02:37.413 --> 02:02:41.293 There'll be a certain amount of the the VSO figuring out. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17047-0 02:02:42.243 --> 02:02:45.253 How how best to assign cost within? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17062-0 02:02:46.243 --> 02:02:50.379 You know, are we just gotta make sure we allow for it as an 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17062-1 02:02:50.379 --> 02:02:52.033 interesting another one. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17065-0 02:02:54.653 --> 02:02:55.323 Anyone else? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17067-0 02:02:58.483 --> 02:02:58.723 No. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17083-0 02:03:00.863 --> 02:03:04.363 Right. So there's one more contact type, which is when the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17083-1 02:03:04.363 --> 02:03:07.803 contract is only for the management of packaging streams. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17107-0 02:03:08.483 --> 02:03:11.266 As is the case when a municipality ascending a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17107-1 02:03:11.266 --> 02:03:15.115 commingled packaging stream to a materials recovery facility, or 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17107-2 02:03:15.115 --> 02:03:15.233 a. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17136-0 02:03:16.153 --> 02:03:20.051 Said the commodity cost per ton here would need to include the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17136-1 02:03:20.051 --> 02:03:23.454 municipal profit and overhead cost per ton paid by the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17136-2 02:03:23.454 --> 02:03:25.743 municipality. And to determine that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17148-0 02:03:26.653 --> 02:03:31.001 You would need to figure the municipal contracted commodity 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17148-1 02:03:31.001 --> 02:03:31.943 cost per ton. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17155-0 02:03:32.803 --> 02:03:34.753 Before proceeding to the method below. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17157-0 02:03:35.843 --> 02:03:36.443 So. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17200-0 02:03:38.843 --> 02:03:42.147 The municipal contracted community cost per ton is this 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17200-1 02:03:42.147 --> 02:03:45.923 scenario. We just came from and you needed to determine that to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17200-2 02:03:45.923 --> 02:03:49.108 move forward to get the municipal profit and overhead 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17200-3 02:03:49.108 --> 02:03:52.884 cost per ton. And so the bullets that follow there are breaking 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17200-4 02:03:52.884 --> 02:03:53.473 that down. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17202-0 02:03:54.483 --> 02:03:55.023 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17217-0 02:03:56.383 --> 02:04:00.023 There's a weighted average contracted commodity cost per 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17217-1 02:04:00.023 --> 02:04:02.193 ton. So we're looking at the sum. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17228-0 02:04:03.773 --> 02:04:07.183 For each commodity based on edge under a contract. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17249-0 02:04:07.993 --> 02:04:11.693 Getting that total commodity cost and then dividing that by 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17249-1 02:04:11.693 --> 02:04:14.283 the total tons manage under the contract. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17279-0 02:04:15.063 --> 02:04:19.711 Uh, total commodity cost is then expanded on in the next bullet. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17279-1 02:04:19.711 --> 02:04:24.359 That's the municipal contracted commodity cost per ton that came 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17279-2 02:04:24.359 --> 02:04:27.863 from the second scenario multiplied by the Times 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17279-3 02:04:27.863 --> 02:04:29.293 commodity delivered. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17305-0 02:04:32.443 --> 02:04:35.154 That municipal contracted commodity cost per ton is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17305-1 02:04:35.154 --> 02:04:38.125 figured using the method proposed for contracts that are 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17305-2 02:04:38.125 --> 02:04:40.940 not for the management of packaging extreme zone that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17305-3 02:04:40.940 --> 02:04:41.773 second scenario. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17317-0 02:04:42.983 --> 02:04:46.508 And then for total tons managed under the contract, that's the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17317-1 02:04:46.508 --> 02:04:47.403 sum of the tons. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17328-0 02:04:48.543 --> 02:04:51.852 Modity delivered for all commodities managed under the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17328-1 02:04:51.852 --> 02:04:52.393 contract. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17350-0 02:04:54.373 --> 02:04:58.652 She more inputs for this one municipal contract proper time 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17350-1 02:04:58.652 --> 02:05:02.858 that's contracted municipal cost divided by the total tons 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17350-2 02:05:02.858 --> 02:05:04.783 managed under the contract. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17353-0 02:05:07.553 --> 02:05:08.283 And then. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17392-0 02:05:10.513 --> 02:05:14.454 You get 2 municipal profit and overhead cost per time. When you 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17392-1 02:05:14.454 --> 02:05:18.148 take that municipal contract cost per time and you subtract 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17392-2 02:05:18.148 --> 02:05:21.966 the weighted average contracted commodity costs per time from 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17392-3 02:05:21.966 --> 02:05:22.273 that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17402-0 02:05:36.283 --> 02:05:39.643 So basically because because you're only looking at. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17405-0 02:05:40.453 --> 02:05:41.733 Packaging streams. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17411-0 02:05:42.403 --> 02:05:43.803 You can you can account for the. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17430-0 02:05:44.663 --> 02:05:48.532 Profit and overhead, that's always gonna exist in a contract 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17430-1 02:05:48.532 --> 02:05:50.053 versus if if you're not. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17440-0 02:05:51.833 --> 02:05:54.213 You can't know what's profit and overhead and what's. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17443-0 02:05:55.123 --> 02:05:55.743 For trash. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17454-0 02:05:56.793 --> 02:05:59.530 So that's only looking at single stream. Then you can you can 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17454-1 02:05:59.530 --> 02:05:59.883 look at. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17464-0 02:06:01.453 --> 02:06:04.505 The per ton cost to the contractor of each of those 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17464-1 02:06:04.505 --> 02:06:04.923 things. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17486-0 02:06:05.683 --> 02:06:08.544 How many pounds tons were processed? Add that all up. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17486-1 02:06:08.544 --> 02:06:11.616 There's gonna be a difference between what the contractor 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17486-2 02:06:11.616 --> 02:06:11.933 spent. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17506-0 02:06:12.723 --> 02:06:15.823 And what they municipality paid and that difference, you can 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17506-1 02:06:15.823 --> 02:06:18.923 account for, divide it across all those tons. Basically what 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17506-2 02:06:18.923 --> 02:06:19.583 you're doing. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17511-0 02:06:20.833 --> 02:06:21.963 Did you have a question, Sir? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17528-0 02:06:27.693 --> 02:06:31.483 Like the beginning and that just the cost of disposal is not 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17528-1 02:06:31.483 --> 02:06:32.973 included but collection. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17530-0 02:06:34.843 --> 02:06:35.343 Beautiful. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17533-0 02:06:36.703 --> 02:06:37.913 Right. So. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17536-0 02:06:39.483 --> 02:06:39.973 Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17552-0 02:06:40.993 --> 02:06:44.396 And you get that amount. You audit the way stream and see how 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17552-1 02:06:44.396 --> 02:06:45.713 much it that way stream. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17554-0 02:06:52.463 --> 02:06:52.803 About. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17575-0 02:06:54.063 --> 02:06:58.309 I don't think you want to do that. I think you want to. You 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17575-1 02:06:58.309 --> 02:07:01.563 get, you get the, you get the cost for trash. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17593-0 02:07:03.113 --> 02:07:07.455 And then you know from producer reporting how many tons of not 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17593-1 02:07:07.455 --> 02:07:11.383 readily recyclable material have been sent to the state. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17645-0 02:07:13.293 --> 02:07:17.101 And so if they've been 1.4 million tons of non readily 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17645-1 02:07:17.101 --> 02:07:21.323 recyclable materials sent into the state, you divide that by 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17645-2 02:07:21.323 --> 02:07:25.546 1.4 million people and you get one time per person. And then 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17645-3 02:07:25.546 --> 02:07:29.837 the town of Jay has how many people? 46 hundred. So the time 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17645-4 02:07:29.837 --> 02:07:31.083 Jay gets you know. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17651-0 02:07:32.013 --> 02:07:34.103 Paid for 4600 tons. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17654-0 02:07:35.043 --> 02:07:35.483 Of. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17660-0 02:07:38.553 --> 02:07:40.433 Sorting, collecting. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17667-0 02:07:41.403 --> 02:07:43.333 But not tipping fee. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17671-0 02:07:44.733 --> 02:07:45.403 That is later. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17676-0 02:07:46.933 --> 02:07:49.283 Umm OK, it's. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17684-0 02:07:51.783 --> 02:07:54.713 It's sort of, yeah, yeah, it's. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17692-0 02:07:54.933 --> 02:07:58.103 Do you have an e-mail? But yes, right. Thank you, Jessica. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17714-0 02:08:01.043 --> 02:08:05.513 OK. So do we wanna reflect on how that too a lot of those 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17714-1 02:08:05.513 --> 02:08:08.903 calculations are being performed by the SO? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17746-0 02:08:11.323 --> 02:08:14.883 Yeah, like he doesn't need municipalities to be getting the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17746-1 02:08:14.883 --> 02:08:18.265 weighted average contract commodity cost per, I mean not 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17746-2 02:08:18.265 --> 02:08:20.993 been the case that anybody thought that he's. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17757-0 02:08:21.663 --> 02:08:24.353 Where we're required at the municipal level, those are not. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17773-0 02:08:25.593 --> 02:08:28.443 Right. In this case, it's not specific. We didn't specify here 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17773-1 02:08:28.443 --> 02:08:30.343 what the municipality would be providing. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17775-0 02:08:31.263 --> 02:08:31.693 But. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17777-0 02:08:32.333 --> 02:08:32.853 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17790-0 02:08:35.293 --> 02:08:38.105 The contracted municipal cost and the tons managed would be 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17790-1 02:08:38.105 --> 02:08:39.463 provided by the municipality. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17793-0 02:08:44.533 --> 02:08:45.863 OK so. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17811-0 02:08:47.263 --> 02:08:50.709 We're almost through revenue model number one. We've got 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17811-1 02:08:50.709 --> 02:08:52.763 nonspecific cost per ton of next. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17815-0 02:08:53.783 --> 02:08:55.343 And shared Hauling. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17843-0 02:08:57.223 --> 02:09:02.444 And then we'll be able to kind of step back from the really 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17843-1 02:09:02.444 --> 02:09:08.100 granular parts of this proposal. OK. So for the nonspecific cost 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17843-2 02:09:08.100 --> 02:09:08.883 per ton. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17845-0 02:09:09.793 --> 02:09:10.233 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17864-0 02:09:10.883 --> 02:09:15.350 Where on page 5 when mixed packaging streams are sorted 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17864-1 02:09:15.350 --> 02:09:17.423 into multiple commodities. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17897-0 02:09:18.733 --> 02:09:22.587 Or when administrative education collection or processing 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17897-1 02:09:22.587 --> 02:09:26.906 activities are not specific to a single commodity, the method of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17897-2 02:09:26.906 --> 02:09:31.091 reporting will need to allocate these costs among the resulted 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17897-3 02:09:31.091 --> 02:09:34.413 commodities. These costs will not be included in. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17935-0 02:09:35.233 --> 02:09:39.414 Uh municipal or contracted labor costs, equipment cost structure, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17935-1 02:09:39.414 --> 02:09:43.279 costs and energy cost inputs because they're not specific to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17935-2 02:09:43.279 --> 02:09:46.953 the management of a single commodity, curbside collection 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17935-3 02:09:46.953 --> 02:09:50.563 of mixed recyclables is accounted for when transporting. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17943-0 02:09:51.413 --> 02:09:54.663 Using the shared hauling cost per ton equation. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17966-0 02:09:56.853 --> 02:10:02.301 So to get a non specific cost for time, we're looking at at 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17966-1 02:10:02.301 --> 02:10:07.385 the the nonspecific costs multiplying that by a percent 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17966-2 02:10:07.385 --> 02:10:08.383 allocation. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17988-0 02:10:09.413 --> 02:10:13.118 And then divided by the total tons commodity delivered. So 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17988-1 02:10:13.118 --> 02:10:16.463 the nonspecific cost is broken down in the next bullet. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17994-0 02:10:17.813 --> 02:10:18.383 It's. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18062-0 02:10:20.993 --> 02:10:24.606 Yeah, and stands for non specific. It's the labor, the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18062-1 02:10:24.606 --> 02:10:28.875 equipment, the structure and the energy cost. So it's sum of all 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18062-2 02:10:28.875 --> 02:10:32.553 those inputs are determined using the same method as we 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18062-3 02:10:32.553 --> 02:10:36.821 explicated before the municipal labor costs, equipment structure 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18062-4 02:10:36.821 --> 02:10:40.959 and energy, except that those audit values, those percent time 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18062-5 02:10:40.959 --> 02:10:44.768 spent on a specific packaging stream and percent use on a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18062-6 02:10:44.768 --> 02:10:48.183 specific packaging stream will need to be replaced. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18081-0 02:10:48.853 --> 02:10:52.387 Umm, with percent time spent on a nonspecific activity and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18081-1 02:10:52.387 --> 02:10:54.723 percent use on a nonspecific activity. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18095-0 02:10:56.063 --> 02:10:59.499 Respectively. So the SO will determine these replacement 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18095-1 02:10:59.499 --> 02:11:00.663 inputs using audits. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18100-0 02:11:02.753 --> 02:11:04.373 So examples of this are. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18104-0 02:11:05.503 --> 02:11:06.573 A MRF cost. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18106-0 02:11:08.053 --> 02:11:08.663 Or. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18135-0 02:11:09.483 --> 02:11:13.464 Umm yeah, we've got a question too. Or a, you know, if we've 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18135-1 02:11:13.464 --> 02:11:17.510 got a source separated system and you got a guy standing next 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18135-2 02:11:17.510 --> 02:11:19.533 to the recyclables, I'm saying. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18160-0 02:11:20.223 --> 02:11:23.491 No, that doesn't go there. That goes in for year. That goes in 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18160-1 02:11:23.491 --> 02:11:26.500 the trash. Those are your nonspecific sort of examples of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18160-2 02:11:26.500 --> 02:11:27.433 nonspecific costs. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18168-0 02:11:29.013 --> 02:11:31.243 Question for me like how it's Alex Chan. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18174-0 02:11:35.183 --> 02:11:36.583 Change your status. There you go. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18209-0 02:11:39.853 --> 02:11:44.879 Yeah. So just a bit of maybe some insight like we when we do 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18209-1 02:11:44.879 --> 02:11:50.069 allocation of cost for shared activities to materials we we do 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18209-2 02:11:50.069 --> 02:11:54.930 consider the fact that the densities are different between 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18209-3 02:11:54.930 --> 02:11:56.083 packing types. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18221-0 02:11:56.783 --> 02:12:01.753 So if we imagine a ton of OCC versus a ton of soft plastics. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18233-0 02:12:02.363 --> 02:12:05.113 They're going to be physically very different and take up 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18233-1 02:12:05.113 --> 02:12:06.393 different amounts of space. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18251-0 02:12:07.503 --> 02:12:11.119 And requires different handling. So when we consider the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18251-1 02:12:11.119 --> 02:12:14.163 allocation cost we we do consider density with. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18254-0 02:12:14.793 --> 02:12:15.443 With weight. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18258-0 02:12:16.433 --> 02:12:17.603 That's two components. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18271-0 02:12:18.303 --> 02:12:23.793 So that's just a just a thought that I wanted to bring him. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18289-0 02:12:25.503 --> 02:12:28.147 So can you say a little bit more about that so that you're 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18289-1 02:12:28.147 --> 02:12:30.881 looking, have you seen this percent allocation? I'm doing a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18289-2 02:12:30.881 --> 02:12:31.373 bad job of. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18295-0 02:12:32.783 --> 02:12:34.933 Rolling percent allocation. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18303-0 02:12:36.023 --> 02:12:37.913 Uh, we have that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18346-0 02:12:38.733 --> 02:12:43.198 We didn't specify a percent allocation here because we were 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18346-1 02:12:43.198 --> 02:12:47.885 right. Is this volume is this weight? Is this count? You know, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18346-2 02:12:47.885 --> 02:12:52.572 density is sort of, I guess a a volume weight measurement. How 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18346-3 02:12:52.572 --> 02:12:54.283 exactly, so you've got? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18357-0 02:12:55.083 --> 02:12:56.963 Can you can you say a little bit more about how you do that? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18386-0 02:12:58.883 --> 02:13:02.685 No, that's just what exactly it. So if you're looking at hollidge 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18386-1 02:13:02.685 --> 02:13:06.025 costs in, in a, in a truck, in the compartment like which 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18386-2 02:13:06.025 --> 02:13:07.983 material takes up the most space. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18403-0 02:13:08.743 --> 02:13:12.476 Uh, relative to their to their weight and you would see, you 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18403-1 02:13:12.476 --> 02:13:13.393 know, paper or. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18449-0 02:13:14.673 --> 02:13:17.835 Ohh metals would take up the least amount of space, even 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18449-1 02:13:17.835 --> 02:13:21.162 though they're the heaviest and then you would see plastics 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18449-2 02:13:21.162 --> 02:13:24.490 taking up more space and film making more space if you know 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18449-3 02:13:24.490 --> 02:13:27.818 they don't weigh that. They don't weigh that much. So we we 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18449-4 02:13:27.818 --> 02:13:31.090 consider those two factors in the allocation of the of the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18449-5 02:13:31.090 --> 02:13:32.753 collective cost to the materials. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18453-0 02:13:33.523 --> 02:13:34.253 As an example. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18499-0 02:13:35.633 --> 02:13:39.212 And then when you look at sorting, you know sorting in the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18499-1 02:13:39.212 --> 02:13:43.155 MRF like how much time does it take to actually pick out a ton 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18499-2 02:13:43.155 --> 02:13:46.856 of OCC versus a ton of film, let's say it would take way more 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18499-3 02:13:46.856 --> 02:13:48.493 time to pick out on a film. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18558-0 02:13:49.353 --> 02:13:53.359 Umm. And just just because of the characteristic of of that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18558-1 02:13:53.359 --> 02:13:57.565 packaging type. So so. So yeah, just just just a thought that, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18558-2 02:13:57.565 --> 02:14:01.704 you know, if you're allocating cost just based on weight that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18558-3 02:14:01.704 --> 02:14:05.776 translates into produce a fees then you know the the densest 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18558-4 02:14:05.776 --> 02:14:09.715 materials will always get most of the cost and most of the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18558-5 02:14:09.715 --> 02:14:11.383 fees, which isn't always. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18573-0 02:14:12.023 --> 02:14:15.581 That the the the appropriate link to to do from a legal 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18573-1 02:14:15.581 --> 02:14:16.343 modulations. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18593-0 02:14:19.533 --> 02:14:25.052 And so it when you're, when you're when you say the cost per 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18593-1 02:14:25.052 --> 02:14:27.313 time, the time to pick a. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18603-0 02:14:28.383 --> 02:14:31.423 Ton of cardboard or to pick a ton of. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18631-0 02:14:32.133 --> 02:14:38.029 Umm, flexible packaging. Is that a or is that a time study that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18619-0 02:14:33.543 --> 02:14:35.473 Soft plastics, yeah, yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18631-1 02:14:38.029 --> 02:14:39.963 is done at the MRF? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18640-0 02:14:40.833 --> 02:14:44.143 Or is that are you using some sort of proxy? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18673-0 02:14:46.133 --> 02:14:49.233 Yeah, the there's different methods to go about costing 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18673-1 02:14:49.233 --> 02:14:52.664 this. They're all field studies like what Glenn had mentioned 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18673-2 02:14:52.664 --> 02:14:55.985 about activity based costing. That's one way to do it using 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18673-3 02:14:55.985 --> 02:14:57.313 time and motion studies. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18733-0 02:14:59.243 --> 02:15:02.866 Another way is to look at actual just the the, the, the the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18733-1 02:15:02.866 --> 02:15:06.851 properties of that material. How much does that property compact? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18733-2 02:15:06.851 --> 02:15:10.534 How how? How easily does that property expand again and then 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18733-3 02:15:10.534 --> 02:15:14.398 how much actual space would that take up? Like there's a lot of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18733-4 02:15:14.398 --> 02:15:17.900 factors in involved in in costing the trials, but there's 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18733-5 02:15:17.900 --> 02:15:20.073 different approaches to to do this. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18753-0 02:15:24.943 --> 02:15:28.329 And do you guys use a combination or do you when you 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18753-1 02:15:28.329 --> 02:15:31.395 say there are different approaches, do you mean 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18753-2 02:15:31.395 --> 02:15:32.033 different? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18755-0 02:15:33.253 --> 02:15:33.943 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18778-0 02:15:34.833 --> 02:15:38.376 Canadian jurisdictions use different methods here. Or do 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18763-0 02:15:37.393 --> 02:15:37.823 Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18778-1 02:15:38.376 --> 02:15:42.166 you mean within a jurisdiction you're using a combination of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18778-2 02:15:42.166 --> 02:15:42.663 methods? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18803-0 02:15:43.843 --> 02:15:48.083 So we we're trying to, we stick with one method for each 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18803-1 02:15:48.083 --> 02:15:52.843 jurisdiction and in in the past we had relied on activity based 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18803-2 02:15:52.843 --> 02:15:54.033 costing studies. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18848-0 02:15:54.743 --> 02:15:58.067 Umm and I have worked for a little while and but they got a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18848-1 02:15:58.067 --> 02:16:01.335 little bit expensive and and hard to do because we weren't 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18848-2 02:16:01.335 --> 02:16:04.825 able to get access into our our contractors facilities and and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18848-3 02:16:04.825 --> 02:16:08.259 like they just didn't want to disclose all the information to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18848-4 02:16:08.259 --> 02:16:11.527 us because it was getting you know commercially sensitive. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18848-5 02:16:11.527 --> 02:16:12.413 Then we went on. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18917-0 02:16:13.143 --> 02:16:17.464 Another path would say you know if we can't get access to this 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18917-1 02:16:17.464 --> 02:16:21.717 information, we need to conduct our own lab studies to figure 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18917-2 02:16:21.717 --> 02:16:26.038 out, you know, biomaterial, what are the characteristics, what 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18917-3 02:16:26.038 --> 02:16:30.290 are properties, how much cost would they actually drive into, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18917-4 02:16:30.290 --> 02:16:34.748 into, into the the systems. So. So that was two approaches there 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18917-5 02:16:34.748 --> 02:16:38.589 and mainly he was driven by by lack of access to to the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18917-6 02:16:38.589 --> 02:16:39.343 operations. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18919-0 02:16:40.353 --> 02:16:41.043 Facilities. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18923-0 02:16:41.743 --> 02:16:42.563 That we have to switch. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18930-0 02:16:49.013 --> 02:16:51.323 And are your results public information? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18947-0 02:16:53.883 --> 02:16:56.875 Yeah, there's a. Yeah. There, there. Different pieces of it. I 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18947-1 02:16:56.875 --> 02:16:59.153 I can actually share that with with your group. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18951-0 02:17:00.223 --> 02:17:01.143 Would be very helpful. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18955-0 02:17:03.343 --> 02:17:03.823 Thank you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18964-0 02:17:04.523 --> 02:17:06.693 Who would I? Who should I send this to? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18969-0 02:17:09.563 --> 02:17:10.383 You could send it to me. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18983-0 02:17:11.563 --> 02:17:16.973 And then we can get it put put posted elena.bertocci@maine.gov. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18993-0 02:17:18.463 --> 02:17:22.123 Or yeah, I'm remembering the the e-mail address. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18987-0 02:17:19.063 --> 02:17:19.413 OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19003-0 02:17:23.023 --> 02:17:25.863 MainepackagingEPR@maine.gov, thanks. So yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19019-0 02:17:28.383 --> 02:17:32.714 I think it's main packaging. Yeah. Maine packaging EPR at 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19019-1 02:17:32.714 --> 02:17:33.353 maine.gov. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19032-0 02:17:34.573 --> 02:17:37.626 I was afraid I'd get it wrong, and I know you got it wrong now, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19032-1 02:17:37.626 --> 02:17:38.293 I don't. Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19041-0 02:17:40.873 --> 02:17:42.493 Yeah, I'll be happy to share something with. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19065-0 02:17:41.793 --> 02:17:45.249 Or or I can we can find your. We'll find your e-mail address 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19065-1 02:17:45.249 --> 02:17:48.874 on the list of participants and and track it down, because we'd 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19065-2 02:17:48.874 --> 02:17:50.913 really like to see that. Thank you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19071-0 02:17:51.613 --> 02:17:52.863 OK, sounds good. Thank you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19086-0 02:18:05.773 --> 02:18:10.223 OK. So I'll move, move on to the shared hauling cost per ton. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19096-0 02:18:13.003 --> 02:18:17.613 OK, so when municipalities hauling packaging streams. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19171-0 02:18:19.233 --> 02:18:23.122 That will be you that will be sold as multiple commodities. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19171-1 02:18:23.122 --> 02:18:26.687 They will need to adjust reporting to allocate hauling 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19171-2 02:18:26.687 --> 02:18:30.641 costs among those commodities. So in the case of mixed loads 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19171-3 02:18:30.641 --> 02:18:34.205 where multiple baled commodities are hauled together, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19171-4 02:18:34.205 --> 02:18:38.224 the cost for such trips should be allocated among commodities 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19171-5 02:18:38.224 --> 02:18:42.177 by weight. If the load contains loose or unveiled commodities, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19171-6 02:18:42.177 --> 02:18:45.483 the cost will need to be allocated based on volume 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19171-7 02:18:45.483 --> 02:18:48.723 because it's volume limits, the size of the load. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19210-0 02:18:49.383 --> 02:18:53.312 The cost associated with shared hauling again are not included 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19210-1 02:18:53.312 --> 02:18:56.867 in the municipal the nonspecific or the contracted labor 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19210-2 02:18:56.867 --> 02:19:00.795 equipment structure or energy costs inputs because they're not 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19210-3 02:19:00.795 --> 02:19:03.913 specific to the management of a single commodity. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19223-0 02:19:04.583 --> 02:19:09.635 Post of curbside collection of mixed recyclables is included in 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19223-1 02:19:09.635 --> 02:19:10.503 this input. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19244-0 02:19:12.203 --> 02:19:16.160 So to get shared hauling costs per ton where multiplying the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19244-1 02:19:16.160 --> 02:19:19.273 shared hauling costs by the percent allocation. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19250-0 02:19:19.973 --> 02:19:22.223 Uh factor, that will differ. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19267-0 02:19:23.093 --> 02:19:27.655 That the one previously mentioned divided by the tons 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19267-1 02:19:27.655 --> 02:19:30.723 commodity delivered. So we have a a. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19273-0 02:19:31.693 --> 02:19:33.323 The shared hauling costs. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19276-0 02:19:34.733 --> 02:19:35.693 Is. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19301-0 02:19:36.703 --> 02:19:40.551 Shared hauling Labor cost plus equipment plus structure plus 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19301-1 02:19:40.551 --> 02:19:44.210 energy. These inputs are determined using the same method 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19301-2 02:19:44.210 --> 02:19:45.913 as municipal inputs except. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19334-0 02:19:46.593 --> 02:19:50.274 At the present time on a specific packaging stream and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19334-1 02:19:50.274 --> 02:19:54.491 the percent use on a specific packaging stream are replaced by 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19334-2 02:19:54.491 --> 02:19:58.573 time, percent time spent on shared hauling and percent time. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19342-0 02:19:58.713 --> 02:20:03.293 Percent use on shared hauling, respectively. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19355-0 02:20:04.003 --> 02:20:06.978 The SO will determine these replacement inputs, using 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19355-1 02:20:06.978 --> 02:20:07.363 audits. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19392-0 02:20:08.103 --> 02:20:12.681 As for the percent allocation, it's gonna depend on the method 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19392-1 02:20:12.681 --> 02:20:17.185 of hauling a packaging stream. These are our thoughts. We are 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19392-2 02:20:17.185 --> 02:20:21.980 very much interested in feedback when a packaging stream is loose 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19392-3 02:20:21.980 --> 02:20:24.813 and commingled the percent allocation. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19445-0 02:20:25.633 --> 02:20:29.240 Is, you know, we propose that it's equal to the volume 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19445-1 02:20:29.240 --> 02:20:33.371 occupied by the materials to be sorted into a given commodity, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19445-2 02:20:33.371 --> 02:20:37.437 divided by the volume occupied by materials to be sorted into 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19445-3 02:20:37.437 --> 02:20:41.240 all commodities. In this case, the so will define percent 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19445-4 02:20:41.240 --> 02:20:42.813 allocation using audits. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19494-0 02:20:43.693 --> 02:20:47.389 Uh, when a packaging stream is loose and source separated, the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19494-1 02:20:47.389 --> 02:20:51.025 percent allocation. Again, we've proposed it to be the volume 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19494-2 02:20:51.025 --> 02:20:54.837 used to transport materials for a given commodity divided by the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19494-3 02:20:54.837 --> 02:20:58.298 total volume available to transport all materials. In this 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19494-4 02:20:58.298 --> 02:21:01.523 case too, the SO will document the percent allocation. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19503-0 02:21:02.243 --> 02:21:05.313 Uh, during consultation with the municipality. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19532-0 02:21:07.343 --> 02:21:12.101 And in the last scenario here, in the case of hauling multiple 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19532-1 02:21:12.101 --> 02:21:16.481 baled commodities, percent allocation would consider the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19532-2 02:21:16.481 --> 02:21:20.408 times commodity delivered divided by the total tons 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19532-3 02:21:20.408 --> 02:21:21.163 delivered. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19562-0 02:21:21.873 --> 02:21:26.092 Uh unbaled paper sent to a mill can be considered bailed for the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19562-1 02:21:26.092 --> 02:21:30.119 purposes of allocating shared hauling costs. In this case, the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19562-2 02:21:30.119 --> 02:21:33.443 municipality would be reporting percent allocation. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19567-0 02:21:36.493 --> 02:21:37.803 We'll just take a moment. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19576-0 02:21:38.603 --> 02:21:41.613 For processing that, there's questions on that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19586-0 02:21:53.383 --> 02:21:56.033 No, I don't like done. Everyone's done. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19644-0 02:21:56.503 --> 02:22:00.315 Expect it is our wrap up. We're wrapping up. This is the last. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19644-1 02:22:00.315 --> 02:22:04.127 This is the last piece. This is back out to. This is more big 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19644-2 02:22:04.127 --> 02:22:07.938 picture. Yeah, this is more big picture again and it's not so 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19644-3 02:22:07.938 --> 02:22:11.811 much happening at the municipal level. You're fine. Thank you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19644-4 02:22:11.811 --> 02:22:15.623 OK. So for the procedure for determining median material type 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19644-5 02:22:15.623 --> 02:22:16.483 cost per ton. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19678-0 02:22:18.673 --> 02:22:23.107 We just have it laid out here in steps, so step one was calculate 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19678-1 02:22:23.107 --> 02:22:27.272 that commodity cost per ton for all commodities produced from 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19678-2 02:22:27.272 --> 02:22:31.033 packaging streams for all participating municipalities. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19729-0 02:22:31.703 --> 02:22:36.041 That's pretty much what we just walk through for the last few 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19729-1 02:22:36.041 --> 02:22:40.449 hours, who assign that commodity cost per ton to each material 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19729-2 02:22:40.449 --> 02:22:44.927 type in a commodity. So no, and municipalities cost of managing 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19729-3 02:22:44.927 --> 02:22:49.334 a material type is equal to the cost of managing the commodity 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19729-4 02:22:49.334 --> 02:22:50.873 with which it is sold. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19742-0 02:22:52.713 --> 02:22:58.062 Step three determine that median material type cost per time to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19742-1 02:22:58.062 --> 02:22:59.983 similar municipalities. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19816-0 02:23:01.303 --> 02:23:05.253 And then step four if necessary. We're gonna cap that median 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19816-1 02:23:05.253 --> 02:23:09.331 material type cost per ton of a packaging material that is not 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19816-2 02:23:09.331 --> 02:23:13.021 readily recyclable or a packaging material that is being 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19816-3 02:23:13.021 --> 02:23:16.906 managed for reuse for these management methods, the maximum 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19816-4 02:23:16.906 --> 02:23:21.049 allowed reimbursement. Again, we proposed a five times the cost 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19816-5 02:23:21.049 --> 02:23:24.933 per ton of the most expensive median material type cost per 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19816-6 02:23:24.933 --> 02:23:28.882 ton for any readily recyclable packaging material to similar 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19816-7 02:23:28.882 --> 02:23:29.853 municipalities. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19820-0 02:23:40.003 --> 02:23:41.073 Questions on that piece. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19831-0 02:23:42.603 --> 02:23:46.133 Yeah. When? At what point are we defining similar municipalities? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19838-0 02:23:51.353 --> 02:23:52.853 Is the next time I was at this time. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19873-0 02:23:53.643 --> 02:23:58.243 Think it was. I think it was for this. It was with we, haven't 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19873-1 02:23:58.243 --> 02:24:02.843 we? It was to be discussed with this section and we didn't get 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19873-2 02:24:02.843 --> 02:24:06.493 many comments on those in those meetings on that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19890-0 02:24:08.663 --> 02:24:12.326 So we'll probably just if you have thoughts on similar like we 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19890-1 02:24:12.326 --> 02:24:15.813 were looking for comments on those. We haven't gotten many. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19894-0 02:24:17.983 --> 02:24:18.693 And we'll. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19903-0 02:24:19.533 --> 02:24:22.953 Probably you know, throughout some language here based on. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19914-0 02:24:23.723 --> 02:24:26.093 I don't think we got any actually on similar 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19914-1 02:24:26.093 --> 02:24:27.673 municipalities, that's either. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19919-0 02:24:29.333 --> 02:24:30.663 Yeah, I think it's hard to. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19927-0 02:24:36.663 --> 02:24:38.993 Yeah, in which case, we'll probably just keep it. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19937-0 02:24:40.093 --> 02:24:43.099 Fairly basic and go by the statute says population and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19937-1 02:24:43.099 --> 02:24:43.973 geography, yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19939-0 02:24:50.883 --> 02:24:51.233 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19942-0 02:24:52.393 --> 02:24:53.153 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19954-0 02:24:54.883 --> 02:24:59.270 Medium material type cost per ton for every municipality 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19954-1 02:24:59.270 --> 02:24:59.723 group. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19965-0 02:25:00.493 --> 02:25:03.343 The seemingly business ethics. Yeah. So there's gonna be all 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19965-1 02:25:03.343 --> 02:25:03.623 these. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20008-0 02:25:05.333 --> 02:25:07.958 A number of medians, right. So that's the other thing. You 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20008-1 02:25:07.958 --> 02:25:10.361 don't wanna have too many different groups of similar 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20008-2 02:25:10.361 --> 02:25:13.074 municipalities or you're dealing with too many. You're gonna 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20008-3 02:25:13.074 --> 02:25:16.010 have. You're not gonna have good medians. Case. You're gonna have 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20008-4 02:25:16.010 --> 02:25:18.769 two small in groups. Yeah. So the statute already talks about 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20008-5 02:25:18.769 --> 02:25:19.213 those too. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20019-0 02:25:20.093 --> 02:25:23.261 Things so say you have big population, little population 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20019-1 02:25:23.261 --> 02:25:23.483 and. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20041-0 02:25:24.943 --> 02:25:28.607 I don't know. Geography is. I don't want to say anything about 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20041-1 02:25:28.607 --> 02:25:31.979 geography. Yeah, but two groups of geography, then you've 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20041-2 02:25:31.979 --> 02:25:32.793 already got 4. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20059-0 02:25:33.483 --> 02:25:36.327 For medians that you're working with and probably don't want too 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20059-1 02:25:36.327 --> 02:25:38.033 many more than that, I wouldn't think. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20069-0 02:25:38.793 --> 02:25:42.213 That's gonna determine the the reimbursement rate. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20072-0 02:25:43.023 --> 02:25:43.643 Whatever. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20081-0 02:25:44.423 --> 02:25:46.183 Group of municipalities are in. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20083-0 02:25:49.483 --> 02:25:49.793 Yes. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20101-0 02:25:51.743 --> 02:25:55.538 Talking about fees that we assess later, but obviously 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20101-1 02:25:55.538 --> 02:25:57.263 these meetings are gonna. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20110-0 02:25:58.473 --> 02:26:02.003 Someone figure into the feeds the producers paying. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20148-0 02:26:03.023 --> 02:26:06.106 If there is, is it gonna be like an average of imbalance or well, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20148-1 02:26:06.106 --> 02:26:08.814 you'd have to consider how many tons are being reimbursed 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20148-2 02:26:08.814 --> 02:26:11.663 through each median. I think otherwise you're not gonna have 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20148-3 02:26:11.663 --> 02:26:12.923 your in match, you're out. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20150-0 02:26:13.693 --> 02:26:14.063 So. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20159-0 02:26:15.753 --> 02:26:18.703 Send it so like you're gonna say you have 4 medians. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20183-0 02:26:19.363 --> 02:26:23.819 One is big population, geography one and one is small population 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20183-1 02:26:23.819 --> 02:26:27.726 geography one and one is big population. Geography 2 and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20183-2 02:26:27.726 --> 02:26:30.193 small population geography 2 right? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20195-0 02:26:30.893 --> 02:26:34.525 The small population geographies are gonna have probably fewer 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20195-1 02:26:34.525 --> 02:26:34.813 tons. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20199-0 02:26:36.213 --> 02:26:37.333 Reimbursed at that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20230-0 02:26:38.193 --> 02:26:41.843 At that medium, so you're going to have to consider the fact 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20230-1 02:26:41.843 --> 02:26:45.493 that that first median you had 100 tons reimbursed at one of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20230-2 02:26:45.493 --> 02:26:48.843 those medians, 100 tons reimbursed at the other median. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20250-0 02:26:49.883 --> 02:26:54.075 200 tons burst at reimbursed at the third median and 200 tons 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20250-1 02:26:54.075 --> 02:26:56.373 reimbursed it the the 4th median. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20340-0 02:26:57.473 --> 02:27:00.616 And so you're gonna have to you probably what I would do 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20340-1 02:27:00.616 --> 02:27:03.869 without, you know, thinking about it too much is take that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20340-2 02:27:03.869 --> 02:27:07.453 median cost per ton for the 4th, multiply it by 200, add that to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20340-3 02:27:07.453 --> 02:27:10.927 the median cost for the third, multiply it by 200, add that to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20340-4 02:27:10.927 --> 02:27:14.511 the median cost for the second, multiply it by 100 the number of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20340-5 02:27:14.511 --> 02:27:17.929 times you reimbursed through that median cost. So then you're 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20340-6 02:27:17.929 --> 02:27:21.182 getting a total cost. Multiply the the first median by the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20340-7 02:27:21.182 --> 02:27:23.773 number of tons reimbursed at that cost by 100. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20344-0 02:27:25.683 --> 02:27:26.393 That makes sense. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20349-0 02:27:27.313 --> 02:27:28.543 I'm sure I could have said that better. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20358-0 02:27:31.683 --> 02:27:34.713 But that way your total out is gonna match. You're in. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20375-0 02:27:36.123 --> 02:27:39.861 As opposed to if you just like took a raw median, those small 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20375-1 02:27:39.861 --> 02:27:42.453 population ones are gonna have many fewer. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20380-0 02:27:43.743 --> 02:27:45.153 Times going out through them. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20391-0 02:27:48.713 --> 02:27:51.198 Right. Because like the City of Portland, for instance, is gonna 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20391-1 02:27:51.198 --> 02:27:51.503 be like. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20413-0 02:27:52.283 --> 02:27:55.246 I don't even, you know, we got a couple of Portland, Bangor, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20413-1 02:27:55.246 --> 02:27:58.451 Lewiston. They're gonna have how many of the towns in Maine right 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20413-2 02:27:58.451 --> 02:27:58.693 like? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20426-0 02:27:59.373 --> 02:28:02.061 It's not going to be an even number of times going out at 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20426-1 02:28:02.061 --> 02:28:03.033 each of those prices. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20438-0 02:28:13.743 --> 02:28:16.773 They're not going to have that data right or something. Feats. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20445-0 02:28:17.893 --> 02:28:20.673 Because it's under 90 days from the. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20451-0 02:28:21.703 --> 02:28:23.313 Selection that is SO. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20459-0 02:28:24.383 --> 02:28:27.573 There's going to need to be a there's gonna need to be an 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20459-1 02:28:27.573 --> 02:28:28.013 initial. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20474-0 02:28:29.503 --> 02:28:33.673 Deal with this before there's any. There's gonna be a need to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20474-1 02:28:33.673 --> 02:28:36.093 have some. SO the needs assessment. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20480-0 02:28:38.463 --> 02:28:39.813 We need this event won't be done either. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20516-0 02:28:42.423 --> 02:28:45.589 Yeah, right. Just because that's gonna do the needs assessment, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20516-1 02:28:45.589 --> 02:28:48.655 that won't be done either. So the that initial period is just 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20516-2 02:28:48.655 --> 02:28:51.821 gonna have to be taking care of in some way. That's like fairly 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20516-3 02:28:51.821 --> 02:28:54.293 partial and everybody can feel like it's fair. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20523-0 02:28:55.923 --> 02:28:57.433 And then you maybe. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20542-0 02:28:58.773 --> 02:29:02.049 Make up for it afterwards. As you're it's. I don't know how 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20542-1 02:29:02.049 --> 02:29:05.107 else to do it because you just you're gonna 180 days is 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20542-2 02:29:05.107 --> 02:29:05.543 nothing. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20545-0 02:29:16.803 --> 02:29:17.263 But. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20555-0 02:29:19.783 --> 02:29:21.993 You were hoping to push that to producer fees in July? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20568-0 02:29:23.443 --> 02:29:27.121 That discussion, yeah. But yeah, that that's gonna be its own 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20568-1 02:29:27.121 --> 02:29:27.773 discussion. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20575-0 02:29:28.793 --> 02:29:30.103 Yeah, the New York's looking chart. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20599-0 02:29:35.463 --> 02:29:39.383 We don't, we don't have any. I think I threw that out before, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20599-1 02:29:39.383 --> 02:29:43.492 but we don't have any authority to do that. No, you don't. Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20599-2 02:29:43.492 --> 02:29:44.313 Yeah, so bad. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20608-0 02:29:45.593 --> 02:29:47.763 Yes. So let me speak random some authority to. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20622-0 02:29:48.483 --> 02:29:51.920 Come up with an estimate and it would have to be right and it 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20622-1 02:29:51.920 --> 02:29:54.153 would have. It would probably want to. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20633-0 02:29:58.083 --> 02:30:01.824 Sarah's not here. Ready. Reckoner is what she would say, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20633-1 02:30:01.824 --> 02:30:03.333 like estimate and then. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20640-0 02:30:04.543 --> 02:30:07.513 Go back and like fix probably. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20657-0 02:30:10.663 --> 02:30:16.226 Yeah, maybe it's the only way to do initial payments and then we 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20657-1 02:30:16.226 --> 02:30:17.253 recalibrate. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20660-0 02:30:18.233 --> 02:30:18.963 Afterwards. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20665-0 02:30:19.563 --> 02:30:20.753 You can actually spend some money. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20667-0 02:30:20.983 --> 02:30:21.283 Sure. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20675-0 02:30:21.873 --> 02:30:25.713 The first bill statutory language potentially. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20685-0 02:30:27.163 --> 02:30:30.063 Here as well, yeah, send it our way. Send it our way. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20688-0 02:30:34.643 --> 02:30:35.733 The clock tonight. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20692-0 02:30:37.023 --> 02:30:37.933 Implement state too. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20695-0 02:30:39.113 --> 02:30:39.623 Person. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20697-0 02:30:43.593 --> 02:30:43.933 Happy. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20699-0 02:30:46.353 --> 02:30:46.923 Umm. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20704-0 02:30:49.543 --> 02:30:50.453 In the end here. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20719-0 02:30:52.433 --> 02:30:55.659 I wonder how many people got with us to here. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20719-1 02:30:55.659 --> 02:30:56.343 new chats? No. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20723-0 02:30:57.883 --> 02:30:58.473 Nobody. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20725-0 02:30:59.493 --> 02:31:00.203 Silence. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20731-0 02:31:02.983 --> 02:31:04.163 I went to that Jack. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20736-0 02:31:07.633 --> 02:31:09.203 Trying to refill Jack. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20741-0 02:31:09.763 --> 02:31:11.653 Something like that. It was, yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20750-0 02:31:14.713 --> 02:31:18.163 Yeah, I don't noodle video my elementary days. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20752-0 02:31:20.683 --> 02:31:21.233 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20755-0 02:31:22.243 --> 02:31:23.473 OK so. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20761-0 02:31:25.493 --> 02:31:27.143 We went through the procedure. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20765-0 02:31:27.483 --> 02:31:29.183 And and then. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20797-0 02:31:29.863 --> 02:31:34.120 That class for managing packaging material that's not 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20797-1 02:31:34.120 --> 02:31:39.164 readily recyclable, we propose an equation for that, which is a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20797-2 02:31:39.164 --> 02:31:44.051 a median management cost per ton multiplied by the per capita 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20797-3 02:31:44.051 --> 02:31:44.523 times. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20821-0 02:31:45.913 --> 02:31:51.028 That media and management cost for time. It is that median cost 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20821-1 02:31:51.028 --> 02:31:54.865 to similar similar municipalities of management 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20821-2 02:31:54.865 --> 02:31:55.983 cost per ton. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20824-0 02:31:56.713 --> 02:31:57.763 So we have. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20844-0 02:31:59.063 --> 02:32:03.373 The management cost per ton as the cost of collecting, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20844-1 02:32:03.373 --> 02:32:08.153 processing and transporting material to a disposal facility. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20857-0 02:32:08.843 --> 02:32:12.671 It is figured in the same way the commodity cost per ton 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20857-1 02:32:12.671 --> 02:32:13.793 input is figured. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20874-0 02:32:14.973 --> 02:32:19.434 However, the the tipping fee at the disposal facility is not a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20874-1 02:32:19.434 --> 02:32:21.133 reimbursable cost. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20906-0 02:32:22.823 --> 02:32:27.845 The per capita times that is figured by taking the total tons 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20906-1 02:32:27.845 --> 02:32:32.948 of packaging material that is not readily recyclable into made 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20906-2 02:32:32.948 --> 02:32:37.403 divided by means population and then multiplied by the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20906-3 02:32:37.403 --> 02:32:38.213 municipal. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20908-0 02:32:39.223 --> 02:32:40.173 Population. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20945-0 02:32:41.013 --> 02:32:44.405 So total tons of packaging material that is not readily 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20945-1 02:32:44.405 --> 02:32:47.858 recyclable. To me that's reported to the so by producers 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20945-2 02:32:47.858 --> 02:32:51.553 and then Maine's population and the municipal population would 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20945-3 02:32:51.553 --> 02:32:54.823 be defined using the most recent 10 year census data. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20955-0 02:32:56.703 --> 02:33:01.829 Any questions on figuring reimbursement non readily 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20955-1 02:33:01.829 --> 02:33:02.913 recyclable? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20974-0 02:33:14.683 --> 02:33:18.524 Grand finale, yeah, the grand finale is is municipal 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20974-1 02:33:18.524 --> 02:33:21.013 reimbursement and that's equal to. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20983-0 02:33:21.833 --> 02:33:25.363 The sum for a material type of. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21055-0 02:33:26.483 --> 02:33:30.789 The material type tons recycled by a municipalities multiplied 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21055-1 02:33:30.789 --> 02:33:34.889 by the median material type cost per ton to similar similar 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21055-2 02:33:34.889 --> 02:33:39.399 municipalities, and then to that we add the cost of managing that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21055-3 02:33:39.399 --> 02:33:43.431 packaging material that is not readily recyclable. So that 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21055-4 02:33:43.431 --> 02:33:47.463 material type tons recycled by a municipality that is tons 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21055-5 02:33:47.463 --> 02:33:51.290 delivered multiplied by that percent material type in a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21055-6 02:33:51.290 --> 02:33:51.973 commodity. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21071-0 02:33:53.143 --> 02:33:56.988 Which is determined using audits conducted by the. SO separate 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21071-1 02:33:56.988 --> 02:33:59.673 audits for commodities sold with different. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21076-0 02:33:59.753 --> 02:34:02.123 Uh, separate audits 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21093-0 02:34:03.323 --> 02:34:08.443 Are done for commodity sold with different bale specifications. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21093-1 02:34:08.443 --> 02:34:10.923 Details surrounding audits are. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21097-0 02:34:11.743 --> 02:34:12.923 Coming up next week. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21100-0 02:34:17.413 --> 02:34:18.563 And. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21110-0 02:34:19.383 --> 02:34:23.563 That's our proposal for municipal reimbursement. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21123-0 02:34:25.983 --> 02:34:30.510 Are there any general questions because we didn't really open up 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21123-1 02:34:30.510 --> 02:34:31.833 the floor to those. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21147-0 02:34:34.603 --> 02:34:37.644 Now would be the time to ask questions. If you have any 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21147-1 02:34:37.644 --> 02:34:40.685 general questions. General thoughts, there's no general 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21147-2 02:34:40.685 --> 02:34:42.693 thought. Someone still with us. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21151-0 02:34:52.073 --> 02:34:53.143 Hello, do you? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21162-0 02:34:53.433 --> 02:34:58.266 But after an exercise like this today, do you take the document 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21162-1 02:34:58.266 --> 02:34:58.643 back 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21170-0 02:34:59.483 --> 02:35:01.873 Work through it and. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21190-0 02:35:03.693 --> 02:35:07.861 Put comments per section that you that you've taken notes on, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21190-1 02:35:07.861 --> 02:35:10.213 or do you just compile your notes? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21201-0 02:35:11.333 --> 02:35:14.814 Uh, without cross reference? And do you cross reference to this 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21201-1 02:35:14.814 --> 02:35:15.303 document? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21223-0 02:35:18.843 --> 02:35:21.596 Yes, I'm not clear on the question. I have a whole bunch 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21224-0 02:35:21.333 --> 02:35:23.413 I have a whole bunch of notes on my sheet. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21223-1 02:35:21.596 --> 02:35:23.093 of notes scribbled on my sheet. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21226-0 02:35:23.913 --> 02:35:24.683 It would be. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21231-0 02:35:26.583 --> 02:35:27.433 OK. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21260-0 02:35:26.873 --> 02:35:33.413 Do you wanna see a version 2 the notes. Any 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21260-1 02:35:33.413 --> 02:35:38.083 changes? Is that what you're thinking? Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21247-0 02:35:34.003 --> 02:35:34.933 That's what I was. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21274-0 02:35:36.353 --> 02:35:40.346 I I would just. I would just wondering if you read lined this 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21274-1 02:35:40.346 --> 02:35:42.213 I guess is one way to say it. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21300-0 02:35:42.683 --> 02:35:45.341 Uh-huh. That would be a good a good thing to do. Cause, right? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21300-1 02:35:45.341 --> 02:35:47.830 That would help anyone trying to go back through it. If we 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21300-2 02:35:47.830 --> 02:35:49.433 redline changes, that's a great idea. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21309-0 02:35:49.863 --> 02:35:54.973 OK, it in I know it does. It helps me get my information. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21318-0 02:35:56.253 --> 02:36:00.223 Better organized. When I do something like that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21323-0 02:36:01.983 --> 02:36:03.303 Well, good. Thank you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21333-0 02:36:14.323 --> 02:36:16.473 The next round of this decisions will. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21336-0 02:36:20.623 --> 02:36:21.803 Hopefully. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21339-0 02:36:23.123 --> 02:36:23.873 Only this week. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21342-0 02:36:25.563 --> 02:36:26.243 It's next week. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21354-0 02:36:27.603 --> 02:36:31.033 So it'd be next week. Hopefully it lost in Brian's e-mail. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21356-0 02:36:31.913 --> 02:36:32.573 He's awesome. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21358-0 02:36:32.793 --> 02:36:33.133 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21360-0 02:36:33.243 --> 02:36:33.593 Actually. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21365-0 02:36:34.913 --> 02:36:36.303 Hopefully by the end of next week. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21374-0 02:36:36.893 --> 02:36:39.443 But no, the meeting is next Tuesday next Tuesday. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21390-0 02:36:39.603 --> 02:36:44.586 We have that meeting. Yeah. Ohh. Seven days. Wait another game. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21390-1 02:36:44.586 --> 02:36:46.843 That would be the 14th. Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21418-0 02:36:48.203 --> 02:36:52.094 The next one is. This is the next one easier. The from now on 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21418-1 02:36:52.094 --> 02:36:56.110 it's a lot more about like what makes sense to do as opposed to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21418-2 02:36:56.110 --> 02:36:56.423 like. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21486-0 02:36:57.803 --> 02:37:01.041 This is the most technical one. We'll get it out the other one. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21486-1 02:37:01.041 --> 02:37:04.077 So like, what do you wanna do here? We'll get it out by the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21486-2 02:37:04.077 --> 02:37:07.315 end of this week. OK. Yeah, you better. Right? So, right. Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21486-3 02:37:07.315 --> 02:37:10.199 Sorry. Sorry. There's, like, some reason I had a week in 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21486-4 02:37:10.199 --> 02:37:13.335 between here and there. Yeah, you did that earlier too. Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21486-5 02:37:13.335 --> 02:37:16.421 So, yeah. I just wanna make sure that we have enough time to 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21486-6 02:37:16.421 --> 02:37:19.153 prepare our comments. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry we've been. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21489-0 02:37:20.203 --> 02:37:20.993 Yeah, because. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21503-0 02:37:21.873 --> 02:37:24.673 That's the format for the first meeting right into this 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21503-1 02:37:24.673 --> 02:37:25.823 testifying. Yeah, yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21527-0 02:37:27.143 --> 02:37:30.374 So yeah, there are there. They should be pretty quick. So 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21527-1 02:37:30.374 --> 02:37:33.939 they'll we'll make it a point to be quick. We'll definitely get 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21527-2 02:37:33.939 --> 02:37:35.053 out by Friday, yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21531-0 02:37:37.123 --> 02:37:38.463 Sooner if possible. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21537-0 02:37:40.723 --> 02:37:42.283 Is it? Is it possible to? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21540-0 02:37:43.033 --> 02:37:43.683 But the. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21561-0 02:37:44.933 --> 02:37:48.240 Kind of. The content between meetings or not, like, could it 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21561-1 02:37:48.240 --> 02:37:51.383 be more discussion based for that first meeting and then? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21588-0 02:37:52.243 --> 02:37:55.866 You know, responding to comments and asking questions of comments 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21588-1 02:37:55.866 --> 02:37:58.776 and doing kind of the the testimonials in the second 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21588-2 02:37:58.776 --> 02:37:59.873 meeting, would that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21606-0 02:38:01.243 --> 02:38:04.255 What that does that work? I know you have a certain structure 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21606-1 02:38:04.255 --> 02:38:07.121 that you have to adhere to before in the same order. Comma 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21606-2 02:38:07.121 --> 02:38:08.043 conversations, but. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21636-0 02:38:09.073 --> 02:38:11.581 But we don't really have a certain structure. We sort of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21636-1 02:38:11.581 --> 02:38:14.352 thought it made sense to, like, hear what everybody had to say 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21636-2 02:38:14.352 --> 02:38:16.992 and then discuss. But yeah, here. Yeah, I guess that was a, 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21636-3 02:38:16.992 --> 02:38:18.883 you know, this is our background document. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21644-0 02:38:19.993 --> 02:38:24.823 People give us what they feel are relevant. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21651-0 02:38:25.673 --> 02:38:28.413 Testimony from the topics and we get that in writing. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21681-0 02:38:29.273 --> 02:38:32.827 And then people have a chance to look over that for the actuals 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21681-1 02:38:32.827 --> 02:38:35.603 for the second meeting, where then there's actual 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21681-2 02:38:35.603 --> 02:38:39.101 conversation. Yeah. So that was the format. Yeah. Does it make 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21681-3 02:38:39.101 --> 02:38:40.433 more sense to switch it? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21692-0 02:38:42.123 --> 02:38:45.497 We can't really think that's OK, it just it just seems like you 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21692-1 02:38:45.497 --> 02:38:45.813 can't. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21712-0 02:38:47.313 --> 02:38:49.979 It would seem hard to this because I would think that a 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21712-1 02:38:49.979 --> 02:38:52.644 good discussion, unless you've got a chance to see what 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21712-2 02:38:52.644 --> 02:38:53.643 everybody's actually. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21721-0 02:38:54.603 --> 02:38:58.183 Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21727-0 02:38:59.373 --> 02:39:00.763 And Tony, is that your? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21731-0 02:39:00.873 --> 02:39:01.503 So hopefully. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21754-0 02:39:03.413 --> 02:39:07.393 Yeah. Think. OK. Yeah, we'll be. We'll we're we realize that we 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21754-1 02:39:07.393 --> 02:39:11.373 haven't been particularly good and we're sorry we'll do better. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21759-0 02:39:12.603 --> 02:39:13.893 So getting those out earlier. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21771-0 02:39:22.253 --> 02:39:25.782 Comment and difficult. It's tough between first meeting when 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21771-1 02:39:25.782 --> 02:39:26.823 you make comments. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21790-0 02:39:27.583 --> 02:39:29.724 To the second meeting, where you're talking about the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21790-1 02:39:29.724 --> 02:39:31.983 substantive issues to remember what folks said and like. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21795-0 02:39:33.333 --> 02:39:34.603 It makes sense to kind of. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21820-0 02:39:35.363 --> 02:39:38.666 Switch the two together and work through different buckets of 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21820-1 02:39:38.666 --> 02:39:41.756 issues within the sub issue. What's the next one? Audits. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21820-2 02:39:41.756 --> 02:39:43.673 Yeah, we're right? Readily recyclable. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21829-0 02:39:44.483 --> 02:39:46.793 You're talking two goals are goals. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21842-0 02:39:47.883 --> 02:39:52.653 Yeah. The big thing, just select the first one you could do. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21845-0 02:39:53.433 --> 02:39:54.423 Program goals. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21854-0 02:39:55.233 --> 02:39:57.193 You'll come here. What? We think they should be. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21861-0 02:39:58.273 --> 02:40:00.463 And killing the discussion and. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21865-0 02:40:01.633 --> 02:40:02.443 Next meeting too. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21873-0 02:40:03.763 --> 02:40:05.313 I mean, only can take that. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21886-0 02:40:06.153 --> 02:40:08.803 As much time around and ready to play ball. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21930-0 02:40:09.553 --> 02:40:12.558 And different meanings. So you kind of have more cohesive 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21930-1 02:40:12.558 --> 02:40:15.925 dialogue, because otherwise it's it. It does feel like sometimes 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21930-2 02:40:15.925 --> 02:40:19.188 show up to testify them are done and have two coming. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21930-3 02:40:19.188 --> 02:40:22.192 Yeah. You know, rather than kind of seeing it, seeing the 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21930-4 02:40:22.192 --> 02:40:23.953 discussion through on that issue. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21947-0 02:40:25.143 --> 02:40:27.975 Might be just a suggestion as opposed to going home and 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21947-1 02:40:27.975 --> 02:40:29.593 forgetting and then coming back. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21949-0 02:40:30.213 --> 02:40:30.563 Also. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21957-0 02:40:31.873 --> 02:40:34.647 OK, we'll give that to the yeah. Yeah, it's an interest. That's 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21957-1 02:40:34.647 --> 02:40:34.863 good. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21963-0 02:40:36.773 --> 02:40:37.933 And what's the time frame? 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21981-0 02:40:39.513 --> 02:40:44.419 No. April's you're free. Wait, no March. April. Yeah. April's 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21981-1 02:40:44.419 --> 02:40:47.663 free. Then May then June is free. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21999-0 02:40:52.693 --> 02:40:56.213 This one, this one should be a Yeah, right. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21999-1 02:40:56.213 --> 02:40:59.213 No, that's right. That's yeah. Yeah, we have. Yeah. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/22006-0 02:41:01.873 --> 02:41:03.603 I make a motion that we adjourn. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/22014-0 02:41:04.623 --> 02:41:06.013 Sorry Tony. Thank you. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/22016-0 02:41:06.253 --> 02:41:07.393 No problem. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/22042-0 02:41:08.193 --> 02:41:11.347 OK. Well, thanks everybody. Thanks everyone. Thank you. So 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/22042-1 02:41:11.347 --> 02:41:14.768 well keep you posted with one of the transcripts and recordings 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/22042-2 02:41:14.768 --> 02:41:15.783 are available, yes. 279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/22053-0 02:41:17.743 --> 02:41:20.153 That's a lot of work, folks. Thank you very much.