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Additionally, a transcript will
also be made of this meeting and

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that will be available with any
additional comments received

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through a link on the program's
website.

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This meeting is part of the
stakeholder process initiated by

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the department, specifically on
the topic of municipal

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reimbursements. The first
meeting was to provide a chance

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for stakeholders to present
comments and allow all the

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stakeholders to review each
other's comments.

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The second meeting provides an
opportunity for stakeholders to

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ask questions of each other, and
this meeting. The third meeting

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on the topic of municipal
reimbursements is to discuss in

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more detail the calculations for
municipal reimbursements and any

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other items we have time for.

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The information from all the
comments submitted and these

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discussions will be used.

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As the basis for drafting rules
that will be submitted to the

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Board of Environmental
Protection as part of the formal

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rulemaking process in December
of 23.

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Comments of middle is not
limited to attendees of this

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meeting. The department will
accept all comments for

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consideration that are submitted
in writing. Additionally, new or

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additional comments can be
presented at any time through

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the EPR packaging e-mail address
found on our website.

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We ask discussions be kept to
the specific topic. Is this both

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as in person and virtual? We ask
that those wish to speak, raise

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their hand and hold your
statements until the moderator

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recognizes you to allow us time
to mic you. So everyone hears

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your questions, particularly in
lieu of our technical

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difficulties today.

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You don't have to be attending in
person to ask a question or make

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a statement. Just use the raise
hand feature.

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We will make sure that everyone
wishes to make a statement or

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ask a question. We'll get a
chance to do so. I will now hand

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the meeting over to Elena and
Jessica.

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No.

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These girls.

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So everyone, I'm unfortunately
usually we're you're all muted.

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I guess Amy has this issue with
that.

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But right now if you don't mute
yourself, we're gonna hear you.

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But now it might be the 5th
state.

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OK. But I think just might take
the day off.

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Just say that.

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I think you need to be here.
Yeah, I don't think they're

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hearing you of that. I think
they're hearing you being my

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computer.

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Or you could try starting to
talk. Can anyone here Jessica,

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do you wanna start over there
and see if people can hear you?

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I think they're for your
computer. Can you guys hear?

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I think that night that night.

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If you guys.

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No you can't.

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Yeah, just. Well, you'll be able
to hear Jessica.

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Yeah, Jessica, why don't you
start?

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I'm going to go ahead and get
started. The plan for today was

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to break down the proposal piece
by piece. I'm feeling a bit of a

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need of hustle now after our
delayed start.

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Umm we.

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Are not in need. We are. They
can hear you. They're doing.

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We're doing it through my thing.
And you're sharing the document

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so everyone can see the
document. So for these guys, but

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we'll get it up soon. Fearless.
May. Maybe you have a copy. OK.

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So the plan, this is very much a
proposal. So we're looking for

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feedback. And as we were going
to get through it piece by

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piece, we're just gonna break
and and see if anybody had

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anything to say.

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Umm. During during those breaks
so that we can give it some

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consideration as we move towards
refining it.

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So if you don't mind, I'm going
to be reading.

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The document.

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OK, so the method for.

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Wait till Friday.

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Someone not muted.

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Umm.

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Gary, can you mute yourself?

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We have that chicken in there,
the rotisserie chicken, and we

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have the salad. We could have
chicken salads.

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I can't mute him. I can't, Gary.

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And we have that soup.

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This is not going well at all.

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OK. Yeah. Well, you just keep
what? Jessica, why don't you

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keep going? Why don't you start?

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Doesn't know where the where's
it meaning right and so we can

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mute those folks if we know
where you.

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And not get it to you.

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OK.

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There is quiet, so I'm going to
start. I'm gonna start reading

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this.

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Do you want to start reading
this? Can everyone still hear

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us?

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Yes.

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OK.

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I'm in the meeting. I think
that's what we're gonna do. I

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Yes.

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think you're gonna just start
reading.

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OK.

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Are you taking questions while
you're reading?

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OK.

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Yes, Jessica's gonna pause
throughout, and if you have

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Yeah.

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questions, that is when.

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You should. You should bring
them up right as as we go along.

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Thank you.

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OK, so the method for
determining municipal

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reimbursement needs to capture
the collection, transportation

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and processing costs incurred
for each packaging stream

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managed by a participating
municipality. While accounting

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for the materials in that stream
that are not packaging. So that

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department we've derived the
method for determining the

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municipal reimbursement with the
intent to capture the costs

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associated with the management
of packaging material for

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recycling and reuse.

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And in the case of packaging
material, that's not readily

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You know we go.

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recyclable, the management prior
to disposal.

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While the method for determining
municipal.

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Uh, I think the package is
coming to your home.

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I don't e-mail them question.
This is a byproduct of the uh,

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Reimbursement.

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the fraud that was telling you
about earlier, so yeah.

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I don't know why it would come
to an address.

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I don't know why we're coming
together.

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Can everyone please mute
yourselves?

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Like some random just is it like
a prank? I really don't get it.

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Should we reschedule this
meeting?

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It's just $200.

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Like 6 apron Blues like ramen,
like ramen pans on them, and I'm

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Yeah.

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just like.

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Umm.

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OK, like did I accidentally like
flight something in my sleep or

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like I just don't quite
understand.

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Jessica or Elana? Should we
reschedule this?

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That's coming today. So uh, you
know, whenever you see it kind

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1640-0
00:06:29.063 --> 00:06:32.976
I'm hoping that we can get this
that since everybody is already

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1624-1
00:06:31.725 --> 00:06:33.233
of ends, but you know.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1640-1
00:06:32.976 --> 00:06:36.033
done this, that we're close to
getting this done.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1639-0
00:06:34.293 --> 00:06:35.963
I don't really know what to do,
like I don't know.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1686-0
00:06:36.943 --> 00:06:40.690
Like accepting it will you know
like it will be, you know, like

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1645-0
00:06:37.183 --> 00:06:37.673
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1674-0
00:06:39.413 --> 00:06:42.124
You give us just a couple more
minutes. We may. That may be

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1686-1
00:06:40.690 --> 00:06:44.202
I whatever I just thought about
think and hopefully they'll

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1674-1
00:06:42.124 --> 00:06:43.433
what we need to do here, but.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1686-2
00:06:44.202 --> 00:06:47.773
return the money. But if I have
the item I don't quite know.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1694-0
00:06:48.813 --> 00:06:50.493
Ohh, I know how that's gonna go
but.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1701-0
00:06:51.123 --> 00:06:52.123
You have to go difference.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1699-0
00:06:51.203 --> 00:06:51.663
Sir.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1703-0
00:06:52.943 --> 00:06:53.563
Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1720-0
00:06:55.383 --> 00:06:59.998
Is it cut her off? Yeah, she's
gone. OK. Ohh. No, I think it's

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1720-1
00:06:59.998 --> 00:07:00.583
just OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1723-0
00:07:04.103 --> 00:07:05.053
All right, so.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1788-0
00:07:06.713 --> 00:07:10.378
Uh, so while the method for
determining municipal

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1788-1
00:07:10.378 --> 00:07:14.776
reimbursement accounts for
revenue from packaging materials

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1788-2
00:07:14.776 --> 00:07:19.247
sold, the cost for disposal of
the packaging material is not

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1788-3
00:07:19.247 --> 00:07:23.937
included. So we are proposing a
cap. The department proposes to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1788-4
00:07:23.937 --> 00:07:28.335
cap the reimbursable costs for
recycling packaging material

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1788-5
00:07:28.335 --> 00:07:32.952
that's not readily recyclable
and the reimburse bull costs for

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1788-6
00:07:32.952 --> 00:07:36.763
reuse of packaging material at
five times the cost.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1837-0
00:07:36.883 --> 00:07:41.299
Per ton of recycling, the most
expensive, readily recyclable

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1837-1
00:07:41.299 --> 00:07:45.787
packaging material, capping the
reimbursable cost per ton for

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1837-2
00:07:45.787 --> 00:07:50.492
the management methods provides
a limit on the reimbursable cost

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1837-3
00:07:50.492 --> 00:07:55.197
and to the extent that cost is a
proxy for feasibility, it would

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1837-4
00:07:55.197 --> 00:07:58.816
limit the reimbursement for
recycling that may be

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1837-5
00:07:58.816 --> 00:08:00.553
environmentally adverse.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1846-0
00:08:02.163 --> 00:08:06.843
Yes, we want to. Does anyone
break there?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1867-0
00:08:08.653 --> 00:08:12.595
Yes. Any questions on that
piece? Yeah. No, Sarah

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1867-1
00:08:12.595 --> 00:08:17.561
Nichols, NRCM. I was curious.
Sorry. Hold on. Can people hear

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1867-2
00:08:17.561 --> 00:08:18.033
Sarah?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1888-0
00:08:19.633 --> 00:08:22.536
No, they can't hear. Do you
wanna come over here? You're

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1888-1
00:08:22.536 --> 00:08:25.591
gonna have to. We're gonna have
to physically, mic, you by

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1888-2
00:08:25.591 --> 00:08:27.373
coming over here. Sorry, you
know.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1890-0
00:08:28.943 --> 00:08:29.333
I.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1909-0
00:08:30.733 --> 00:08:35.154
Ohh, they did hear Sarah. I just
have a very quick question. I

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1909-1
00:08:35.154 --> 00:08:38.943
was curious where you got the
five times number from.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1934-0
00:08:40.593 --> 00:08:45.351
Uh, we made it up. OK? Yeah. So
any suggestions there are we? We

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1934-1
00:08:45.351 --> 00:08:49.743
went back and forth with numbers
below that and above that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1936-0
00:08:51.203 --> 00:08:52.163
And.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1966-0
00:08:54.163 --> 00:08:57.152
We are very much open to
suggestions on that number. I

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1966-1
00:08:57.152 --> 00:09:00.357
guess I was curious. Andy has
his hand up? Yes, since just

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1966-2
00:09:00.357 --> 00:09:02.693
could that flow out of the needs
assessment?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1983-0
00:09:03.913 --> 00:09:07.461
So that's what your program
station things gonna need stuff

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1983-1
00:09:07.461 --> 00:09:10.003
prior to initiating the closing
the plant.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/1994-0
00:09:11.423 --> 00:09:16.353
And needs assessment to set, but
likely captured be.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2027-0
00:09:18.643 --> 00:09:22.561
I yeah, I I tend to not like to
pull numbers that have been

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2027-1
00:09:22.561 --> 00:09:26.675
there, but standardized not a
good practice. So that's what so

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2027-2
00:09:26.675 --> 00:09:28.633
so my that's my could look at.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2062-0
00:09:30.713 --> 00:09:34.342
So the needs assessment you're
saying would include maybe a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2062-1
00:09:34.342 --> 00:09:38.153
look at what those costs might
be and then we'd have some cost

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2062-2
00:09:38.153 --> 00:09:41.721
to look at and and then think
about what's reasonable. But

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2062-3
00:09:41.721 --> 00:09:43.233
then it should be capped.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2075-0
00:09:44.773 --> 00:09:47.828
But yeah, yeah. So say that
should be capitalized. OK, so

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2075-1
00:09:47.828 --> 00:09:48.723
here's the issue.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2093-0
00:09:49.763 --> 00:09:54.051
Ohh yes, so the rule just says
that it should be capped and

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2093-1
00:09:54.051 --> 00:09:57.625
then the and the needs
assessment places that cap

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2093-2
00:09:57.625 --> 00:09:58.053
maybe.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2114-0
00:09:59.343 --> 00:10:02.697
Determines that cap still
wants to be at a relative

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2114-1
00:10:02.697 --> 00:10:06.109
number, I imagine. Fluctuate,
right? You're you're cap is

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2114-2
00:10:06.109 --> 00:10:06.403
here.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2187-0
00:10:07.433 --> 00:10:11.222
And the needs assessment or on
an annualized basis, right,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2187-1
00:10:11.222 --> 00:10:14.754
because we're looking at
variables in the equation and

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2187-2
00:10:14.754 --> 00:10:18.863
they're gonna vary from year to
year. So far, in particular the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2187-3
00:10:18.863 --> 00:10:22.908
year, a non readily recyclable
packaging material might be out

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2187-4
00:10:22.908 --> 00:10:26.504
of three times cost if the caps
say is 5, say the needs

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2187-5
00:10:26.504 --> 00:10:30.421
assessment says you're right on
your guess which right five

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2187-6
00:10:30.421 --> 00:10:34.531
times the cost is the cap, but
the materials may vary very near

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2187-7
00:10:34.531 --> 00:10:37.163
right, because that every,
every, every.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2202-0
00:10:38.123 --> 00:10:41.784
Yeah, because I read it varies
potentially per year based upon

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2202-1
00:10:41.784 --> 00:10:42.713
cost or revenue.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2242-0
00:10:43.463 --> 00:10:46.926
From the material, so one
particular material might be at

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2242-1
00:10:46.926 --> 00:10:50.746
just one times the cost of the
least of the highest cost by the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2242-2
00:10:50.746 --> 00:10:54.686
recycling material. But in other
material might be a cap might

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2242-3
00:10:54.686 --> 00:10:57.073
be thought another one might be
it too.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2247-0
00:10:57.953 --> 00:10:59.373
Right. Is that what we're
envisioning?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2287-0
00:11:00.123 --> 00:11:03.719
Uh, yeah. OK, right. So it would
be like it's actual cost, but it

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2287-1
00:11:03.719 --> 00:11:06.988
would not be able to go over
that. Yeah. So I would support

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2287-2
00:11:06.988 --> 00:11:09.929
the AMERIPEN would support it
flowing from the needs

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2287-3
00:11:09.929 --> 00:11:13.089
assessment. We don't like
picking numbers out of thin air.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2287-4
00:11:13.089 --> 00:11:14.723
I agree with you or something.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2320-0
00:11:15.803 --> 00:11:18.810
We're doing a lot of agreeing
right here lately. I think on

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2320-1
00:11:18.810 --> 00:11:21.816
certain points, Sir, there's
someone on the with a question

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2320-2
00:11:21.816 --> 00:11:25.123
in the. Yeah, I did have another
question. Oh, and yeah, Nancy, I

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2320-3
00:11:25.123 --> 00:11:25.373
mean.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2328-0
00:11:28.153 --> 00:11:29.053
You're Nancy.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2347-0
00:11:30.353 --> 00:11:34.388
Sorry, I'm just a question for
reuse. Did you guys find places

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2347-1
00:11:34.388 --> 00:11:37.333
in statute where that is is to be
included in?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2377-0
00:11:38.183 --> 00:11:43.097
Be reimbursement for non
readily recyclable. So how is the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2377-1
00:11:43.097 --> 00:11:48.356
Nexus there between reuse and
not greatly recycled materials

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2377-2
00:11:48.356 --> 00:11:53.960
made? Well the statute does say
that the municipal reimbursement

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2377-3
00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:54.563
should.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2424-0
00:11:55.123 --> 00:11:58.680
Umm, incentivize the movement of
material up the heiarchy, so

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2424-1
00:11:58.680 --> 00:12:02.533
that's where that's coming from.
Understand that. And then we we

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2424-2
00:12:02.533 --> 00:12:06.386
just we wanted to capture reuse
in addition, it wouldn't have to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2424-3
00:12:06.386 --> 00:12:10.180
be capped at the same quantity,
but we will also thought it was

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2424-4
00:12:10.180 --> 00:12:12.313
important to cap the reuse
because.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2454-0
00:12:13.363 --> 00:12:16.925
It's potentially another one of
these situations where, like you

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2454-1
00:12:16.925 --> 00:12:19.884
got maybe a couple of
municipalities doing it. And so

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2454-2
00:12:19.884 --> 00:12:22.733
then your your median isn't
gonna be a good way to.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2467-0
00:12:23.603 --> 00:12:26.990
To ensure that that cost is
reasonable and and things are

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2467-1
00:12:26.990 --> 00:12:28.333
being done efficiently.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2473-0
00:12:29.993 --> 00:12:31.693
That was the thinking, OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2497-0
00:12:33.233 --> 00:12:36.468
My brain had tough time making
the leap between me for

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2497-1
00:12:36.468 --> 00:12:40.231
connection between dollar value.
Recyclable materials can reuse

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2497-2
00:12:40.231 --> 00:12:42.583
being sort of capped at the same
right.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2548-0
00:12:43.283 --> 00:12:46.559
So they wouldn't need to be kept
at the same rate. That's also

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2548-1
00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:49.938
same also a number coming out of
thin air. OK. And so that could

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2548-2
00:12:49.938 --> 00:12:52.954
also be a separate cap also
under the needs assessment, I

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2548-3
00:12:52.954 --> 00:12:55.970
guess is what you would my
guessing that's what you would

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2548-4
00:12:55.970 --> 00:12:56.853
tend to think is.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2568-0
00:12:57.843 --> 00:13:00.975
A better idea? Better idea than
too. But it would be a separate

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2568-1
00:13:00.975 --> 00:13:03.763
sort of, yeah. Category. Yeah.
Eventually in a separate.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2584-0
00:13:05.253 --> 00:13:08.573
Rate for particular time right.
There'd be no need for it to be

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2584-1
00:13:08.573 --> 00:13:10.803
the same. Would that would
necessarily be.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2586-0
00:13:12.393 --> 00:13:12.613
But.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2602-0
00:13:17.033 --> 00:13:21.490
Trying to figure out what what's
the factor that that puts the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2602-1
00:13:21.490 --> 00:13:24.673
constraint relevant for reuse
reimbursement.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2611-0
00:13:29.013 --> 00:13:31.143
And then for for reuse another
question.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2619-0
00:13:32.393 --> 00:13:34.583
But they're paying fees into the
system, correct?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2635-0
00:13:36.813 --> 00:13:40.504
Would you like to go packaging
is paying fees into the system

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2635-1
00:13:40.504 --> 00:13:43.838
be my understanding here only
initially, initially only

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2635-2
00:13:43.838 --> 00:13:44.433
initially.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2652-0
00:13:45.363 --> 00:13:48.228
Only the first time it's put on
the system, so help me

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2652-1
00:13:48.228 --> 00:13:51.093
understand that if reusable is
going to be reimbursed.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2661-0
00:13:52.213 --> 00:13:54.033
Who's going to pay for that in
future years?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2670-0
00:13:55.703 --> 00:13:58.194
Because otherwise everybody else
will subsidized reuse

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00:13:58.194 --> 00:13:58.873
infrastructure.

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00:14:04.663 --> 00:14:05.473
Was.

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00:14:06.543 --> 00:14:09.500
Because you're you're part of.
Money is gonna disappear. Yeah,

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00:14:09.500 --> 00:14:10.673
it's infinitely reusable.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2710-0
00:14:11.683 --> 00:14:15.105
Right. It's going to be drawing
down on that pot without putting

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00:14:15.105 --> 00:14:18.369
in without putting in, and so
everybody else is gonna have to

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00:14:18.369 --> 00:14:21.633
subsidize that. Usually learn
perspective, so may go against.

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00:14:22.443 --> 00:14:24.013
On the thought pattern but.

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00:14:25.163 --> 00:14:28.981
If if a reasonable if using
abstractions, there's something

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00:14:28.981 --> 00:14:32.989
that might be at home, refill
there, it may not be a municipal

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2758-2
00:14:32.989 --> 00:14:36.552
reuse infrastructure. I might
have drones still playing

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00:14:36.552 --> 00:14:40.369
musical, have nothing to do with
the municipal reimbursement.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2758-4
00:14:40.369 --> 00:14:44.377
That's my dream. I like. Well,
in those wouldn't be we are not

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00:14:44.377 --> 00:14:45.013
proposing.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2789-0
00:14:47.313 --> 00:14:51.186
Any sort of right? I mean I
imagine this is I think most

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2789-1
00:14:51.186 --> 00:14:55.059
people think that this is
largely something that's gonna

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00:14:55.059 --> 00:14:58.863
be private enterprise. OK. So
then, but if the so that.

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00:14:59.603 --> 00:15:02.987
What we would be talking about
doing here is if there was a

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00:15:02.987 --> 00:15:06.540
municipal cost, say, I mean I
know that there are some systems

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00:15:06.540 --> 00:15:09.811
and there's one at least one
place in the southern United

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00:15:09.811 --> 00:15:13.533
States that's trying to bring it
through their. And so like if it

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00:15:13.533 --> 00:15:16.691
were collected through the
municipality, that municipal

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00:15:16.691 --> 00:15:16.973
cost.

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00:15:17.853 --> 00:15:20.566
Would be reimbursable, not
anything that we're that's not

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00:15:20.566 --> 00:15:23.419
still outside of this system.
Yeah, that's fine. Just trying

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00:15:23.419 --> 00:15:24.073
to understand.

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00:15:24.753 --> 00:15:28.094
He still, I think, are going to
have to then have reusables that

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00:15:28.094 --> 00:15:30.303
go through the structure,
continue to pay.

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00:15:31.043 --> 00:15:33.882
Otherwise you're going to have
this problem with your money

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00:15:33.882 --> 00:15:36.673
disappear of your comfort
pulling down without putting in.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2905-0
00:15:38.633 --> 00:15:41.354
So I'm gonna majestically for
the meeting. Lynn Palmer's had

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00:15:41.354 --> 00:15:42.513
her hand up, so I'm gonna.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2907-0
00:15:43.143 --> 00:15:43.793
Uh.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2912-0
00:15:45.673 --> 00:15:46.973
Like her bill.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2943-0
00:15:47.823 --> 00:15:51.618
Allow her to speak and then
after Lynn, I'm gonna read the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2943-1
00:15:51.618 --> 00:15:55.349
chats in case they've been
popping up and we haven't been

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00:15:55.349 --> 00:15:59.143
seeing them. So I'm making Lynn
a presenter right now. OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2951-0
00:16:03.943 --> 00:16:05.753
OK, let me give you hear us.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2998-0
00:16:06.163 --> 00:16:09.423
Yes, I can and I just unmuted
myself because you allowed me to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/2998-1
00:16:09.423 --> 00:16:12.785
do that. Thank you. My question
is a simple one. I I really like

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00:16:12.785 --> 00:16:15.682
the comments made by American
there about how we handle

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00:16:15.682 --> 00:16:18.890
reusables. That's an important
thing to think through and how

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00:16:18.890 --> 00:16:21.321
that's going to be funded
because you will get

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00:16:21.321 --> 00:16:22.873
contamination between streams.

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00:16:24.273 --> 00:16:25.863
Private versus municipal.

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00:16:26.633 --> 00:16:29.973
But my question is regarding the
very last part of that sentence.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3025-1
00:16:29.973 --> 00:16:33.009
And could you give me an example
of recycling that might be

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00:16:33.009 --> 00:16:34.223
environmentally adverse?

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00:16:35.103 --> 00:16:37.943
Is polystyrene an example of
that?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3057-0
00:16:39.553 --> 00:16:42.957
That's the one we've been going
with is, you know, especially in

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00:16:42.957 --> 00:16:45.994
the case of it not being
densified, in particular, if you

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00:16:45.994 --> 00:16:47.303
were to, I mean, there's.

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00:16:49.653 --> 00:16:54.523
Historically, we have recycled
things there we haven't.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3116-0
00:16:55.363 --> 00:16:59.257
There's been a bit of a limit
placed on what we recycle based

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00:16:59.257 --> 00:17:02.649
on whether it makes sense
economically. And so if you

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00:17:02.649 --> 00:17:06.480
start reimbursing the cost, you
have to be worried about, is

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00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:10.123
there a line at some point,
there's probably a line where

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00:17:10.123 --> 00:17:13.703
you could recycle something.
Most things are technically

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00:17:13.703 --> 00:17:14.393
recyclable.

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00:17:15.573 --> 00:17:17.973
At some astronomical cost and.

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00:17:18.393 --> 00:17:20.653
Umm with you know.

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00:17:19.503 --> 00:17:23.013
And there's no market for it or
no existing market.

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00:17:21.453 --> 00:17:25.171
And there's no or even if you've
got some strange market, you're

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00:17:25.171 --> 00:17:28.431
you're shipping something
that's. I mean, polystyrene is

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00:17:28.431 --> 00:17:31.805
the sort of the classic example
of, particularly when it's

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00:17:31.805 --> 00:17:35.123
not densified because you're
shipping air. And if you were to

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00:17:35.123 --> 00:17:38.211
ship it to, you know,
California, I would expect that

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00:17:37.133 --> 00:17:37.523
Right.

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00:17:38.211 --> 00:17:41.071
that would not be
environmentally, you know, I, I

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00:17:41.071 --> 00:17:44.674
hesitate to, like, give a solid
example because we're not sure

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00:17:44.674 --> 00:17:48.392
where that line is exactly. But
we we do think there's certainly

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00:17:48.392 --> 00:17:48.963
is a line.

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00:17:49.333 --> 00:17:52.693
Yes, and that line will continue
to move too as systems change.

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00:17:54.543 --> 00:17:54.983
Thank you.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3235-0
00:17:55.613 --> 00:17:56.743
I'm gonna mute myself again.

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00:17:57.423 --> 00:17:59.083
Sure. Thanks, Lynn.

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00:17:59.803 --> 00:18:01.813
I'm gonna. We're gonna take a
quick look at the.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3257-0
00:18:02.663 --> 00:18:07.622
Then I'm gonna make Sydney a
presenter. So hold on one

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00:18:07.622 --> 00:18:08.253
second.

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00:18:13.003 --> 00:18:16.053
And the chats make sure we've
answered questions here.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3267-0
00:18:16.753 --> 00:18:17.923
Uh.

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00:18:26.743 --> 00:18:30.395
Sydney. Just make sure that re
use is not captured, though that

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00:18:30.395 --> 00:18:34.046
it won't be enough to funding to
incentivize municipalities to go

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00:18:34.046 --> 00:18:34.433
for it.

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00:18:35.063 --> 00:18:38.647
Don't know what that threshold
is, Dave. Can you make up a

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00:18:38.647 --> 00:18:42.533
practical example? I'm assuming
the polystyrene was an example.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3347-0
00:18:43.333 --> 00:18:47.079
Well, this shared doc be sent
out and follow up to this

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3347-1
00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:51.292
meeting. Yes, it's already been
sent out. Yeah, it's available

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00:18:51.292 --> 00:18:54.703
on so. Holly, that's the
question from Holly. It's

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00:18:54.703 --> 00:18:56.843
available on our website in the.

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00:18:59.263 --> 00:19:03.215
Where? Yeah, where all the
comments are right. Background

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00:19:03.215 --> 00:19:04.713
info, background info.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3370-0
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Do we do? Can we show it on?

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00:19:13.063 --> 00:19:16.329
You want to navigate to it. On
my computer real quick, she

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00:19:16.329 --> 00:19:16.993
found it OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3392-0
00:19:18.453 --> 00:19:20.803
OK, OK, great. Now for the make.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3403-0
00:19:21.323 --> 00:19:27.933
Uh, I appreciate everyone's
patience. I'll make Sydney a.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3412-0
00:19:40.523 --> 00:19:42.443
OK. Sydney, can you hear us?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3418-0
00:19:44.583 --> 00:19:46.233
I can. Can you hear me?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3421-0
00:19:46.913 --> 00:19:47.373
Yes.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3425-0
00:19:48.173 --> 00:19:49.573
Oh wow, hurray.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3441-0
00:19:50.933 --> 00:19:55.188
Yeah, on the, on the questions
on reuse, I just wanted to add a

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00:19:55.188 --> 00:19:56.983
couple of thoughts I think.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3485-0
00:19:57.773 --> 00:20:01.322
First of all, I know eco
modulated fees are a topic for

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00:20:01.322 --> 00:20:05.124
another meeting, but the statute
does also require those to

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00:20:05.124 --> 00:20:08.800
incentivise reuse, which to me
means there's a reasonable

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00:20:08.800 --> 00:20:12.665
funding tie in in an ongoing
way, even if reusables are only

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00:20:12.665 --> 00:20:15.643
paying a fee when they first
enter the market.

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00:20:16.313 --> 00:20:20.265
I think it's important to
remember that eco modulated fees

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00:20:20.265 --> 00:20:23.413
do go beyond the traditional fee
structure of.

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00:20:24.113 --> 00:20:29.351
Many of the like EPR systems of
old, in that there is a little

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00:20:29.351 --> 00:20:29.933
bit of.

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00:20:31.173 --> 00:20:35.275
I hate to use the S word, but
there's a little bit of 

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00:20:35.275 --> 00:20:39.045
subsidization through an eco
modulated fee structure. By

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00:20:39.045 --> 00:20:43.080
less, you know, quote UN quote
preferable materials for more

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00:20:43.080 --> 00:20:47.445
preferable materials. That's the
whole point of giving credits to

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00:20:47.445 --> 00:20:51.083
some and malice fees to other.
So I do think there is.

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00:20:51.893 --> 00:20:55.550
Any way mathematically for that to
work out for reusables to still

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00:20:55.550 --> 00:20:59.207
only pay once and then through
that eco modulated fee structure

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3596-2
00:20:59.207 --> 00:21:02.807
to have that work out in such a
way that there is some ongoing

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00:21:02.807 --> 00:21:05.263
funds even with that said
though, I think.

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00:21:07.033 --> 00:21:10.887
That will another factor, I
guess, for ongoing funds is that

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00:21:10.887 --> 00:21:14.931
as producers are incentivized to
switch more of their packaging

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00:21:14.931 --> 00:21:18.722
to reusables, which is the
intent of the that type of a fee

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00:21:18.722 --> 00:21:22.576
structure, then there should be
a steady supply of reusables

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00:21:22.576 --> 00:21:26.304
into the system, especially in
the first you know, 10 plus

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00:21:26.304 --> 00:21:29.905
years as everybody's kind of
making that change and that

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00:21:29.905 --> 00:21:33.759
should probably be plenty of
funding. And then with all that

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00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:34.643
said, I think.

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00:21:35.323 --> 00:21:38.742
The startup costs are are
usually the most onerous for,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3730-1
00:21:38.742 --> 00:21:42.406
you know, a municipality or
anybody sort of trying to start

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3730-2
00:21:42.406 --> 00:21:46.008
up a reuse system. And I think
the system should level up,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3730-3
00:21:46.008 --> 00:21:49.366
level out over time. So it may
be that you just have a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3730-4
00:21:49.366 --> 00:21:53.273
mechanism to like, shrink that
cap or revisit the fee structure

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3730-5
00:21:53.273 --> 00:21:56.448
and future plans and realize
like this is no longer

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3730-6
00:21:56.448 --> 00:21:59.073
necessary. I just think that we
right now.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3777-0
00:21:59.903 --> 00:22:03.685
Is it's. It's more of even maybe
a shorter term goal for the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3777-1
00:22:03.685 --> 00:22:06.723
first couple of plan cycles to
get these systems

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3777-2
00:22:06.723 --> 00:22:10.504
institutionalized. And then I
think it could be revisited in

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3777-3
00:22:10.504 --> 00:22:14.286
the future. But right now it's
so crucial. So just wanted to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3777-4
00:22:14.286 --> 00:22:15.463
add those thoughts.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3782-0
00:22:19.533 --> 00:22:20.603
Thank you. That's.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3813-0
00:22:26.373 --> 00:22:29.474
Yeah. I don't mean to get into
the counterpoint here, but I do

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3813-1
00:22:29.474 --> 00:22:32.623
think it's important that I can
nice Section 11 of the law sets

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3813-2
00:22:32.623 --> 00:22:35.231
aside entirely separate
infrastructure budget that's

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3813-3
00:22:35.231 --> 00:22:35.723
meant for.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3827-0
00:22:36.563 --> 00:22:40.415
Investment startup costs those
types of things, particularly

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3827-1
00:22:40.415 --> 00:22:41.993
perhaps in this case, so.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3869-0
00:22:42.963 --> 00:22:46.741
Either that doesn't need to be
funded, or trying to to address

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3869-1
00:22:46.741 --> 00:22:49.979
all of the infrastructure needs
through the municipal

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3869-2
00:22:49.979 --> 00:22:53.637
reimbursement rate loses some of
that accountability for big

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3869-3
00:22:53.637 --> 00:22:57.595
projects like perhaps reuse. But
I think there are other elements

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3869-4
00:22:57.595 --> 00:22:59.993
of it that we'll talk about
later, but.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3910-0
00:23:00.813 --> 00:23:04.870
And I think we've got a concern
about one of the I mean, if in

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3910-1
00:23:04.870 --> 00:23:08.541
perpetuity, if you play that
situation out where you got

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3910-2
00:23:08.541 --> 00:23:12.147
supposedly high investment early
through and to support

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3910-3
00:23:12.147 --> 00:23:16.203
reimbursement rate model, what's
the we're talking about here?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3917-0
00:23:16.983 --> 00:23:18.403
That money will eventually run
out.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3948-0
00:23:20.083 --> 00:23:23.197
At somewhere down the line. So
there does need to be some our

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3948-1
00:23:23.197 --> 00:23:26.310
position because there would
need to be some occurring fee if

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3948-2
00:23:26.310 --> 00:23:29.524
municipalities expect continue
reimbursement or because they're

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3948-3
00:23:29.524 --> 00:23:31.633
not getting any revenue on that
material.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3957-0
00:23:32.463 --> 00:23:34.953
Maybe they're getting a
subscription fee or something

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3957-1
00:23:34.953 --> 00:23:35.183
like.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3969-0
00:23:35.983 --> 00:23:40.184
Some model have to be assumed,
but you know 30 years from now

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/3969-1
00:23:40.184 --> 00:23:42.013
that money will run out so.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4024-0
00:23:42.693 --> 00:23:46.229
That that's just my point is, I
don't think we can assume

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4024-1
00:23:46.229 --> 00:23:49.887
because we've not done this
before anywhere. Like looked at

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4024-2
00:23:49.887 --> 00:23:53.606
me As for reimbursement for
reusable infrastructure. So just

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4024-3
00:23:53.606 --> 00:23:56.898
say one and let's not forget
about section 11 and and

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4024-4
00:23:56.898 --> 00:24:00.617
infrastructure budget that's
going to be completely settled,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4024-5
00:24:00.617 --> 00:24:01.043
but to.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4044-0
00:24:02.253 --> 00:24:05.551
There needs to be from our
position some continual funding

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4044-1
00:24:05.551 --> 00:24:08.849
provided if if municipalities
are going to continue to see

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4044-2
00:24:08.849 --> 00:24:09.463
this burst.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4046-0
00:24:10.103 --> 00:24:10.573
For time.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4068-0
00:24:11.783 --> 00:24:15.521
Right. So at least at least
funding until a point where you

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4068-1
00:24:15.521 --> 00:24:19.383
where you are expecting that
reimbursement to happen to stop,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4068-2
00:24:19.383 --> 00:24:22.373
I mean like neither the system
supports itself.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4109-0
00:24:23.293 --> 00:24:27.008
Or funny. It's gonna have to
continue in like, 30 years out,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4109-1
00:24:27.008 --> 00:24:30.235
right? I'm using metal metal,
you know, hands for my

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4109-2
00:24:30.235 --> 00:24:33.950
beverages. And that's the reuse
infrastructure. I don't know

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4109-3
00:24:33.950 --> 00:24:37.421
what the Y that is, but it may
outlive that that sort of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4109-4
00:24:37.421 --> 00:24:38.943
initial tranche of money.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4148-0
00:24:39.683 --> 00:24:43.397
Right. Right. That's, that's
that's what we're doing. So

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4148-1
00:24:43.397 --> 00:24:47.176
you're gonna have to contain
mean if Miss Patty expects 2

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4148-2
00:24:47.176 --> 00:24:51.085
cents for every time they wash
the metal dins and send that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4148-3
00:24:51.085 --> 00:24:55.254
back to consumers through some
infrastructure, that's then goes

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4148-4
00:24:55.254 --> 00:24:57.013
back into the reuse system.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4158-0
00:24:57.963 --> 00:25:01.003
And they're expecting a per ton
reimbursement.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4186-0
00:25:01.723 --> 00:25:04.597
30 years from now, that may not
be there might may not be there

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4186-1
00:25:04.597 --> 00:25:07.471
from the from the EPR perspective
like they're they're gonna not

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4186-2
00:25:07.471 --> 00:25:08.413
have money coming in.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4195-0
00:25:10.353 --> 00:25:12.973
Yeah, but I feel like 30 years
from now will be.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4208-0
00:25:14.183 --> 00:25:17.658
So many more stewardship plans,
six more, whatever stewardship

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4208-1
00:25:17.658 --> 00:25:17.983
plans.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4214-0
00:25:18.693 --> 00:25:20.623
Ahead and that can be addressed.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4220-0
00:25:24.673 --> 00:25:27.073
So that but that reusable
package.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4223-0
00:25:29.583 --> 00:25:30.313
Theoretically.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4250-0
00:25:31.233 --> 00:25:33.561
Belongs to someone so like if it
goes so it's at the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4250-1
00:25:33.561 --> 00:25:36.284
municipality. I just am trying
to think this through. It's at

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4250-2
00:25:36.284 --> 00:25:38.524
the municipality, the
municipality is giving it to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4250-3
00:25:38.524 --> 00:25:38.743
whom?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4304-0
00:25:40.443 --> 00:25:43.989
Uh for myself? You know it, it
would seem that someone would

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4304-1
00:25:43.989 --> 00:25:47.768
have to to. That would either be
owned by someone, in which case

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4304-2
00:25:47.768 --> 00:25:51.372
they would pay the municipality
or they would have to pay for

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4304-3
00:25:51.372 --> 00:25:54.686
that to get it with somebody's
getting it back. And then

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4304-4
00:25:54.686 --> 00:25:58.115
there's either revenue or
there's or the infrastructure is

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4304-5
00:25:58.115 --> 00:25:59.103
going to be like.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4348-0
00:25:59.783 --> 00:26:03.317
Subscription service from some
producer from a private? Yeah. A

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4348-1
00:26:03.317 --> 00:26:06.463
private enterprise. Yeah, I
don't. I don't. I don't know

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4348-2
00:26:06.463 --> 00:26:09.941
what would envision. Yeah, is if
it is, it is a consumer. I go

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4348-3
00:26:09.941 --> 00:26:13.529
down to my transfer station when
I'm dropping out my recyclables

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4348-4
00:26:13.529 --> 00:26:16.013
and I pick up 3 pails of
beverage container.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4427-0
00:26:16.513 --> 00:26:20.250
You know, elements that I take
back and then I pick up take to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4427-1
00:26:20.250 --> 00:26:23.868
my retailer, that's a mess of
infrastructure. So they're not

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4427-2
00:26:23.868 --> 00:26:27.664
charging me for it and they're
watching the the bottles and I'm

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4427-3
00:26:27.664 --> 00:26:30.985
taking them to a retail, the
retail selling me. There's

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4427-4
00:26:30.985 --> 00:26:34.484
nothing that that folks here
that goes not not veterans is

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4427-5
00:26:34.484 --> 00:26:38.161
not the right example but it's
not what I think of right now.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4427-6
00:26:38.161 --> 00:26:41.542
Laundry detergent no. Like
that'll pale right if if it's

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4427-7
00:26:41.542 --> 00:26:45.338
the municipality that's giving
that to me and it doesn't matter

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4427-8
00:26:45.338 --> 00:26:46.583
who I refill it from.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4466-0
00:26:46.953 --> 00:26:49.972
Think that's playing some of the
vision in this area? I don't

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4466-1
00:26:49.972 --> 00:26:53.136
know if they forgot it, but that
could happen if, again, if it's

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4466-2
00:26:53.136 --> 00:26:56.105
municipal infrastructure, it's
being used. If it's not going

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4466-3
00:26:56.105 --> 00:26:58.685
back to a producer to be
refilled, it's the consumer

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4466-4
00:26:58.685 --> 00:26:59.123
refilled.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4515-0
00:26:59.923 --> 00:27:03.490
This is the real challenge with
the consumer refilled. Is it,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4515-1
00:27:03.490 --> 00:27:07.057
producer refilled is dealing
with some other states too where

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4515-2
00:27:07.057 --> 00:27:10.739
the language if it's not precise
is not helpful and in figuring

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4515-3
00:27:10.739 --> 00:27:14.248
out how the how the stewardship
organization is gonna manage

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4515-4
00:27:14.248 --> 00:27:15.743
this and collect funds so.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4539-0
00:27:16.533 --> 00:27:19.749
That's that's I guess my my
issue is if if if it's consumer

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4539-1
00:27:19.749 --> 00:27:22.643
refill and maybe that's how you
begin to bifurcate.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4595-0
00:27:23.623 --> 00:27:27.217
Somehow in the reuse category,
which is where I think this

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4595-1
00:27:27.217 --> 00:27:31.260
needs to evolve into a separate,
quite frankly discussion mode

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4595-2
00:27:31.260 --> 00:27:35.174
rule rate structure, I don't
know if it's consumer at refill

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4595-3
00:27:35.174 --> 00:27:38.896
through the municipalities then
then there is a recurring

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4595-4
00:27:38.896 --> 00:27:42.938
perhaps. But if it's producer
refill, maybe that's not needing

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4595-5
00:27:42.938 --> 00:27:44.093
an additional fee.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4660-0
00:27:44.873 --> 00:27:47.578
Uh, because there's an
arrangement with you, miss

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4660-1
00:27:47.578 --> 00:27:50.498
penalty to take that or there's
no need for municipal

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4660-2
00:27:50.498 --> 00:27:53.689
infrastructure. All because
you mail your

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4660-3
00:27:53.689 --> 00:27:56.609
pods back to the to the your
espresso company.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4660-4
00:27:56.609 --> 00:27:59.746
They're taking that
and refilling it instead of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4660-5
00:27:59.746 --> 00:28:02.991
recycling the aluminum, filling
it, send it back. Chance of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4660-6
00:28:02.991 --> 00:28:05.912
subscription model. That would
always fall underneath

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4660-7
00:28:05.912 --> 00:28:09.211
alternative collection program.
But here over there say they

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4660-8
00:28:09.211 --> 00:28:11.103
don't alternate collection for
me.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4725-0
00:28:11.833 --> 00:28:15.387
But that's that's producer based
produce models, so there might

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4725-1
00:28:15.387 --> 00:28:18.719
be a way to parse it from many
is it might not have that. I

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4725-2
00:28:18.719 --> 00:28:22.217
mean just thinking about this
level. Yeah. And if and if if it

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4725-3
00:28:22.217 --> 00:28:25.493
were to go to, I mean it's
apology saying municipality was

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4725-4
00:28:25.493 --> 00:28:28.602
gonna collect those Keurig
things and send them back to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4725-5
00:28:28.602 --> 00:28:31.878
Keurig and in bulk then that
would be something they 

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4725-6
00:28:31.878 --> 00:28:34.043
should pay the municipality for.
Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4740-0
00:28:34.943 --> 00:28:38.772
Umm, we don't know whether that
would happen functionally too.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4740-1
00:28:38.772 --> 00:28:40.413
Yeah. So would that happen?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4744-0
00:28:41.333 --> 00:28:42.033
Action program.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4746-0
00:28:43.563 --> 00:28:43.883
But.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4776-0
00:28:44.903 --> 00:28:47.928
And if we have to consumer but
it never gets, there's not the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4776-1
00:28:47.928 --> 00:28:51.148
policy because the consumer just
takes effect to the well and and

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4776-2
00:28:51.148 --> 00:28:52.953
then when you were saying about
the?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4792-0
00:28:54.063 --> 00:28:56.648
You know, I think
unintentionally this law

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4792-1
00:28:56.648 --> 00:28:59.293
actually refers to a reuse
definition that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4821-0
00:29:00.823 --> 00:29:04.106
That requires a change of
ownership of the container. So I

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4821-1
00:29:04.106 --> 00:29:07.335
think that we're not talking
about producer, I mean consumer

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4821-2
00:29:07.335 --> 00:29:10.246
refill generally in this law,
we're only talking about

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4821-3
00:29:10.246 --> 00:29:11.093
producer refill.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4831-0
00:29:12.143 --> 00:29:16.021
Umm, because of the definition
of reuse that this happens to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4831-1
00:29:16.021 --> 00:29:16.593
point to.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4914-0
00:29:17.313 --> 00:29:20.814
So wait, you. So we're talking
about producer refill. Yes,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4914-1
00:29:20.814 --> 00:29:24.077
we're only so that's. Yeah. So
then it shouldn't be in

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4914-2
00:29:24.077 --> 00:29:27.636
municipal reimbursement. Well,
if that's, it's a consumer

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4914-3
00:29:27.636 --> 00:29:31.433
refill and then it doesn't get
back to the municipality because

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4914-4
00:29:31.433 --> 00:29:35.348
the consumer itself is taking it
back to the store to refill. But

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4914-5
00:29:35.348 --> 00:29:38.789
there's gonna be the cost of
Labor and processing. Bottle

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4914-6
00:29:38.789 --> 00:29:42.586
washing if that's the. If it's
consumer refilled something just

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4914-7
00:29:42.586 --> 00:29:45.968
power. No. If so, it's a
consumer refill. I buy a bottle

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4914-8
00:29:45.968 --> 00:29:47.213
of Jack from a store.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4920-0
00:29:47.603 --> 00:29:48.403
Can I use it?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4943-0
00:29:48.483 --> 00:29:52.882
Right bottle of Jack. Really.
Frank. And I take it back to the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4943-1
00:29:52.882 --> 00:29:56.583
store to fill it. I'm the one
doing the cleaning and

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4943-2
00:29:56.583 --> 00:30:00.073
everything and municipalities
ever involved them.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4968-0
00:30:00.893 --> 00:30:04.310
It didn't make the point for
this. Shouldn't be reimbursed

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4968-1
00:30:04.310 --> 00:30:07.958
if. If yeah. Yeah. Apparently
he's never involved. And why are

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4968-2
00:30:07.958 --> 00:30:10.563
we creating the reimbursement
for that long?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4977-0
00:30:11.973 --> 00:30:14.603
And then it did sound like
Sydney was talking.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4991-0
00:30:16.343 --> 00:30:19.903
Largely about infrastructure. Is
that correct? Yeah. Sydney's got

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4991-1
00:30:19.903 --> 00:30:20.873
her hand up again.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4997-0
00:30:22.393 --> 00:30:24.013
Yeah. Neil has his hand up.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/4998-0
00:30:23.593 --> 00:30:24.083
Yes.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5006-0
00:30:25.373 --> 00:30:26.803
Hold on just a sec, Sydney.
Sorry.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5004-0
00:30:25.823 --> 00:30:26.333
Oh.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5008-0
00:30:27.183 --> 00:30:27.533
Sure.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5010-0
00:30:28.443 --> 00:30:28.633
Uh.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5013-0
00:30:29.363 --> 00:30:29.833
Yeah. I just.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5015-0
00:30:30.483 --> 00:30:31.083
The point said.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5019-0
00:30:34.913 --> 00:30:35.753
Can you guys hear Neil?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5028-0
00:30:38.483 --> 00:30:40.853
Tony, can you hear Neil? I can.
I'll try to speak up.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5041-0
00:30:42.243 --> 00:30:45.228
Yeah, just getting a little
concerned about bringing reuse

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5041-1
00:30:45.228 --> 00:30:45.733
into this.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5053-0
00:30:46.613 --> 00:30:50.523
Well, I think the the law is
really focused on recycling.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5084-0
00:30:52.343 --> 00:30:55.812
There is some some verbiage in
there about doing things up to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5084-1
00:30:55.812 --> 00:30:59.112
the the hierarchy, but I think
like when is moving it out.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5084-2
00:30:59.112 --> 00:31:01.853
Shall we be trying to move it
further along but.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5095-0
00:31:02.323 --> 00:31:06.213
Uh, I'm. I'm concerned that if
we try to do too much.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5108-0
00:31:07.183 --> 00:31:10.808
That the problem was big enough
as it is, would just recycling

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5108-1
00:31:10.808 --> 00:31:11.613
and including.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5131-0
00:31:12.453 --> 00:31:15.422
Incorporating reuse, it may be
going to make it a little bigger

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5131-1
00:31:15.422 --> 00:31:18.345
and a little harder to introduce
more risk to the project as a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5131-2
00:31:18.345 --> 00:31:18.623
whole.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5182-0
00:31:21.013 --> 00:31:24.494
I think maybe even we could even
look at this meeting as an

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5182-1
00:31:24.494 --> 00:31:28.207
example of we've spent most of
our time talking about reuse and

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5182-2
00:31:28.207 --> 00:31:31.514
we're not really to the the
heart of what the meeting is

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5182-3
00:31:31.514 --> 00:31:34.879
about and the important stuff
because we don't know about

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5182-4
00:31:34.879 --> 00:31:37.663
reuse and how it fits into here.
So maybe just.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5198-0
00:31:41.303 --> 00:31:45.927
Consider that too, that it's
it's something that we want the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5198-1
00:31:45.927 --> 00:31:47.443
button and it needs.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5203-0
00:31:48.263 --> 00:31:49.323
Yeah, a separate channel.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5214-0
00:31:51.633 --> 00:31:53.793
And they cut it off so that we
can make progress on this.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5232-0
00:31:55.443 --> 00:31:58.796
Yeah. Thank you. So should we
just let Sydney finish us up?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5232-1
00:31:58.796 --> 00:32:00.103
Yeah. Yeah. So, Sydney.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5245-0
00:32:01.363 --> 00:32:04.808
And we got Tony, Tony's gotta
stand up. So go sending then

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5245-1
00:32:04.808 --> 00:32:05.333
Tony, OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5313-0
00:32:06.533 --> 00:32:10.084
Alright, well, I respectfully
disagree. I think this is a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5313-1
00:32:10.084 --> 00:32:13.819
vastly missed opportunity. If we
are not talking about reuse

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5313-2
00:32:13.819 --> 00:32:17.308
under this law, that is going to
change the entire waste

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5313-3
00:32:17.308 --> 00:32:20.553
management paradigm in the
state. And if we are just

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5313-4
00:32:20.553 --> 00:32:24.104
focused on recycling, we are not
going to solve the waste

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5313-5
00:32:24.104 --> 00:32:27.961
problem. So that is important to
keep in mind that that is our

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5313-6
00:32:27.961 --> 00:32:31.817
big picture. But I also think
it's really important to keep in

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5313-7
00:32:31.817 --> 00:32:32.123
mind.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5319-0
00:32:33.393 --> 00:32:35.363
There are dozens of reuse.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5354-0
00:32:35.983 --> 00:32:40.561
Business models program models
out there, and certainly not all

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5354-1
00:32:40.561 --> 00:32:44.780
or even necessarily most of
them, are gonna fall under the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5354-2
00:32:44.780 --> 00:32:48.713
Maine EPR law
or a municipal program.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5358-0
00:32:49.563 --> 00:32:50.233
I think that's.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5361-0
00:32:51.243 --> 00:32:52.793
Totally fine.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5387-0
00:32:53.623 --> 00:32:58.189
All I'm suggesting here is that
we leave room for a municipality

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5387-1
00:32:58.189 --> 00:33:02.473
to do innovative work around
reuse under this law that moves

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5387-2
00:33:02.473 --> 00:33:05.423
covered materials up the waste
hierarchy.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5484-0
00:33:06.543 --> 00:33:10.291
And they should be reimbursed
for those efforts. That's all.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5484-1
00:33:10.291 --> 00:33:14.346
So it's like we can't even we're
never gonna be able to nail down

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5484-2
00:33:14.346 --> 00:33:18.155
every type of possible program
model because they're evolving

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5484-3
00:33:18.155 --> 00:33:22.087
like by the second there's so many.
But we need to allow the space

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5484-4
00:33:22.087 --> 00:33:25.773
for municipalities to take the
lead if they want to on some

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5484-5
00:33:25.773 --> 00:33:29.398
reuse initiatives. And I I
recall there was maybe an issue

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5484-6
00:33:29.398 --> 00:33:32.961
where it doesn't statutorily fit
under the infrastructure

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5484-7
00:33:32.961 --> 00:33:36.955
portion, but I could be mistaken
about that. And I know that's a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5484-8
00:33:36.955 --> 00:33:38.183
future meeting, but.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5547-0
00:33:38.903 --> 00:33:42.580
I don't have the statue in front
of me, so that's something to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5547-1
00:33:42.580 --> 00:33:46.373
think about. But like literally
all I'm saying here, and I think

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5547-2
00:33:46.373 --> 00:33:49.991
we just need to collectively
kind of remember that this. Yes,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5547-3
00:33:49.991 --> 00:33:53.492
this is a new thing and new
things are scary sometimes, but

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5547-4
00:33:53.492 --> 00:33:57.285
like, this is the thing that is
gonna help us get past the waste

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5547-5
00:33:57.285 --> 00:34:00.845
crisis that we're currently in.
And all we're saying here is

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5547-6
00:34:00.845 --> 00:34:04.463
leave a little bit of room and
opportunity for municipalities

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5547-7
00:34:04.463 --> 00:34:05.163
to innovate.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5554-0
00:34:05.933 --> 00:34:07.373
So that's, that's what we'll end
on.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5626-0
00:34:08.883 --> 00:34:13.415
So I'm just gonna real quick.
You brought up the last meeting

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5626-1
00:34:13.415 --> 00:34:17.216
we talked about the
infrastructure piece specifying

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5626-2
00:34:17.216 --> 00:34:21.528
recycling. We looked back at the
Statute in elsewhere, the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5626-3
00:34:21.528 --> 00:34:25.475
statute kind of contradicts
itself elsewhere. It does

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5626-4
00:34:25.475 --> 00:34:29.861
specify that that reuse is
something that should be that is

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5626-5
00:34:29.861 --> 00:34:34.539
desirable there, that something
that could be funded there. And

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5626-6
00:34:34.539 --> 00:34:39.289
we talked actually to our lawyer
about that and she thought that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5626-7
00:34:39.289 --> 00:34:40.093
that meant.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5644-0
00:34:41.223 --> 00:34:44.255
In general, the statute
seemed to suggest that it should

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5644-1
00:34:44.255 --> 00:34:45.633
be should it could be covered.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5646-0
00:34:47.023 --> 00:34:47.253
If.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5649-0
00:34:48.533 --> 00:34:48.903
Yes.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5667-0
00:34:49.853 --> 00:34:53.208
To clarify on that and then I
guess Tony, and it actually

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5667-1
00:34:53.208 --> 00:34:56.273
we've got ton of Brunswick too
well start with Tony.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5671-0
00:35:03.473 --> 00:35:04.013
Only you.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5675-0
00:35:05.343 --> 00:35:06.413
Got the floor.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5679-0
00:35:12.913 --> 00:35:13.863
Tony, can you hear us?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5682-0
00:35:15.553 --> 00:35:16.363
From Newtown.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5687-0
00:35:17.453 --> 00:35:18.593
Yeah. Can you hear me now?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5692-0
00:35:19.013 --> 00:35:19.543
Yeah. Yep.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5693-0
00:35:19.453 --> 00:35:19.833
Yep.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5706-0
00:35:21.793 --> 00:35:26.035
Someone just made the comment to
let the municipalities take the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5706-1
00:35:26.035 --> 00:35:26.883
lead in this.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5713-0
00:35:27.913 --> 00:35:29.883
I read through these 10 pages.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5717-0
00:35:31.483 --> 00:35:33.693
And I went OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5723-0
00:35:34.783 --> 00:35:36.073
Now read it again.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5726-0
00:35:39.823 --> 00:35:40.443
The Municipality.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5731-0
00:35:43.403 --> 00:35:44.453
This this is.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5736-0
00:35:47.063 --> 00:35:48.733
I think gonna separate.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5741-0
00:35:50.403 --> 00:35:51.583
The big from the little.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5797-0
00:35:52.303 --> 00:35:56.288
The this plans good. It's a
it's. I like the plan right

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5797-1
00:35:56.288 --> 00:36:00.131
after this process, we've got
the math, we've got the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5797-2
00:36:00.131 --> 00:36:04.258
formulas. Now let's see if we
can make it simpler for the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5797-3
00:36:04.258 --> 00:36:08.669
common person such as myself to
understand and not have to go

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5797-4
00:36:08.669 --> 00:36:12.013
out and hire the technology to
implement this.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5799-0
00:36:13.203 --> 00:36:13.673
Uh.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5808-0
00:36:15.093 --> 00:36:19.683
These are these are complicated
calculations for the layman, me.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5827-0
00:36:21.153 --> 00:36:25.508
And I think you might, we might
have some municipalities that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5827-1
00:36:25.508 --> 00:36:28.950
are gung ho for this cause
they'll hear the word

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5827-2
00:36:28.950 --> 00:36:29.933
reimbursement.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5829-0
00:36:31.323 --> 00:36:31.823
But.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5847-0
00:36:32.893 --> 00:36:36.895
They'll drop off by the wayside
when they realize how much work

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5847-1
00:36:36.895 --> 00:36:40.271
is involved in providing
collecting and providing the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5847-2
00:36:40.271 --> 00:36:40.583
data.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5854-0
00:36:41.383 --> 00:36:42.763
To get the reimbursement.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5876-0
00:36:45.123 --> 00:36:48.862
They're gonna be a lot of
municipalities that either don't

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5876-1
00:36:48.862 --> 00:36:52.410
have the expertise on staff or
can't afford to hire the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5876-2
00:36:52.410 --> 00:36:53.043
expertise.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5891-0
00:36:53.973 --> 00:36:58.129
To implement this, whether it's
recycling and reuse, whether

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5891-1
00:36:58.129 --> 00:37:00.513
it's reuse and recycling it,
it's.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5897-0
00:37:02.163 --> 00:37:03.953
For collecting data by hand.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5901-0
00:37:06.063 --> 00:37:06.813
This this is.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5916-0
00:37:08.453 --> 00:37:12.817
Extremely complicated and we've
just spent about 40 minutes

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5916-1
00:37:12.817 --> 00:37:16.453
getting halfway through the
first paragraph here.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5931-0
00:37:17.343 --> 00:37:21.673
Uh, trying to just agree on is
it reuse and recycle or or or

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5931-1
00:37:21.673 --> 00:37:22.453
what is it?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5950-0
00:37:26.073 --> 00:37:31.072
I like math. Who's one of my
majors, but this this is a this

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5950-1
00:37:31.072 --> 00:37:32.383
is big. This is.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5960-0
00:37:33.953 --> 00:37:37.943
Stumbling, fumbling big in my
opinion it it needs to be.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5981-0
00:37:38.733 --> 00:37:42.268
And maybe it will. Maybe you
shoot for the moon and then

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5981-1
00:37:42.268 --> 00:37:45.865
wind it down to something that
is a little more readily

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5981-2
00:37:45.865 --> 00:37:46.423
workable.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5983-0
00:37:47.513 --> 00:37:48.113
Uh.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5990-0
00:37:50.823 --> 00:37:53.273
It's it's, and it's gonna take.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/5999-0
00:37:54.813 --> 00:37:56.503
Some financial incentives.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6022-0
00:37:57.783 --> 00:38:01.323
For some of the a lot of the and
I bet most of the municipalities

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6022-1
00:38:01.323 --> 00:38:03.843
after a period of time to
participate in this.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6029-0
00:38:04.993 --> 00:38:06.903
It it needs to be.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6034-0
00:38:08.613 --> 00:38:11.643
Quite a bit more
straightforward.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6059-0
00:38:13.913 --> 00:38:18.535
What the example shown like a a
mention in the past on a bunch

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6059-1
00:38:18.535 --> 00:38:23.083
of things that we need examples
for, but this this is rather.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6061-0
00:38:23.843 --> 00:38:24.783
Overwhelming.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6070-0
00:38:27.343 --> 00:38:29.973
Unless you're in a position to
be teaching it, then you've.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6084-0
00:38:31.333 --> 00:38:34.485
Absorbed it quite well. You
probably like. You folks did

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6084-1
00:38:34.485 --> 00:38:36.033
work on putting it together.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6100-0
00:38:39.623 --> 00:38:42.093
Yes. And you and it's a good,
it's a sorry, go ahead.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6097-0
00:38:39.893 --> 00:38:40.633
But yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6106-0
00:38:42.503 --> 00:38:45.283
No, I and I was gonna say OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6126-0
00:38:46.113 --> 00:38:49.432
Like I'm sorry, pal. From
AMERIPEN we we we've each

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6126-1
00:38:49.432 --> 00:38:52.303
meeting, we tend to agree a
little bit more.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6129-0
00:38:52.953 --> 00:38:53.623
On things.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6135-0
00:38:54.913 --> 00:38:56.363
You can't remember the fellow's
name.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6138-0
00:38:56.993 --> 00:38:57.513
Andy.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6160-0
00:38:57.533 --> 00:39:01.479
Andy. Andy. Yeah, I I we've
gotta keep this simple early on.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6160-1
00:39:01.479 --> 00:39:05.165
I don't disagree with keeping
the window a door open for

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6160-2
00:39:05.165 --> 00:39:05.553
reuse.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6162-0
00:39:06.773 --> 00:39:07.283
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6181-0
00:39:10.593 --> 00:39:14.762
But if we bury the people with
too much early on, we're we're

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6181-1
00:39:14.762 --> 00:39:16.913
not gonna have any participants.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6190-0
00:39:18.133 --> 00:39:20.514
Unless you're the larger
communities, the wealthier

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6190-1
00:39:20.514 --> 00:39:21.063
communities.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6201-0
00:39:23.093 --> 00:39:25.233
Like, which might be one in the
same at times.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6203-0
00:39:25.913 --> 00:39:26.603
To.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6227-0
00:39:27.683 --> 00:39:31.292
Be able to dedicate the time and
the and the finances to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6227-1
00:39:31.292 --> 00:39:34.964
developing their programs, but
go ahead. You you was that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6227-2
00:39:34.964 --> 00:39:36.103
Elena or Jessica?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6268-0
00:39:37.113 --> 00:39:40.520
It was me. I was just gonna say
I your point is well, you know,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6268-1
00:39:40.520 --> 00:39:43.821
well taken. We we've spent. I
don't even want to tell you how

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6268-2
00:39:43.821 --> 00:39:45.843
many hours we spent on
this.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6264-0
00:39:44.683 --> 00:39:45.153
Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6326-0
00:39:47.303 --> 00:39:51.433
And but as we go through, we are
hoping soon as we get through

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6326-1
00:39:51.433 --> 00:39:55.563
these first couple paragraphs to
go through it piece by piece.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6326-2
00:39:55.563 --> 00:39:59.890
And if you can and and point out
what is the municipal data point

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6326-3
00:39:59.890 --> 00:40:03.757
that we're hoping for and if
that's when we really when we

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6326-4
00:40:03.757 --> 00:40:07.953
get to those places that you're
like, no way please like that's

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6326-5
00:40:07.953 --> 00:40:11.033
make sure you you chime in at
that moment too.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6329-0
00:40:12.083 --> 00:40:12.393
Well.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6331-0
00:40:12.203 --> 00:40:13.283
That would be very helpful.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6358-0
00:40:13.903 --> 00:40:18.108
Well, I I don't know if I put my
finger on, but just looking at

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6358-1
00:40:18.108 --> 00:40:22.312
the math and the interpretation
of the of the definition of the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6358-2
00:40:22.312 --> 00:40:23.823
definitions that go in.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6370-0
00:40:25.063 --> 00:40:27.913
And how are you going to be
measuring some of these things?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6377-0
00:40:32.813 --> 00:40:33.953
It's.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6383-0
00:40:35.583 --> 00:40:36.653
It's a lot of work.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6386-0
00:40:38.003 --> 00:40:38.333
Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6395-0
00:40:38.193 --> 00:40:41.435
A lot of work and I just don't
want to. I'm not to say

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6395-1
00:40:41.435 --> 00:40:43.143
proletariat, the bourgeoisie.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6402-0
00:40:44.933 --> 00:40:46.993
Have the the vast divide there.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6404-0
00:40:47.773 --> 00:40:48.263
But.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6410-0
00:40:49.843 --> 00:40:51.963
People might go in it with good
intentions.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6414-0
00:40:52.963 --> 00:40:53.893
If we can.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6426-0
00:40:54.803 --> 00:40:58.606
Get it down to where it's
readily implemented

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6426-1
00:40:58.606 --> 00:40:59.763
implementable.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6428-0
00:41:01.213 --> 00:41:01.733
But.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6437-0
00:41:02.433 --> 00:41:05.333
This this is this is
overwhelming at first blush.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6464-0
00:41:06.913 --> 00:41:11.676
Yes. Wow, agreed. Thank you. And
we are hoping, we're hoping that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6442-0
00:41:07.133 --> 00:41:07.653
Thank you.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6464-1
00:41:11.676 --> 00:41:16.223
the SO can can pull some of the
weight on that, but thank you,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6464-2
00:41:16.223 --> 00:41:16.583
Tony.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6468-0
00:41:16.713 --> 00:41:18.443
Yeah. Well, that that was.
Excuse me.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6484-0
00:41:20.573 --> 00:41:23.683
OK, I'm glad you mentioned yes,
though, and their

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6484-1
00:41:23.683 --> 00:41:27.600
responsibility. Thank you. That
that's a completely overlooked

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6484-2
00:41:27.600 --> 00:41:27.973
by me.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6502-0
00:41:29.493 --> 00:41:32.755
Yeah. Well, I don't think
completely. I I think your point

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6502-1
00:41:32.755 --> 00:41:35.243
is, is is well taken, it is,
it's a lot and.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6537-0
00:41:35.873 --> 00:41:39.610
And I'm sure that it we're we're
hoping that once we go through

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6537-1
00:41:39.610 --> 00:41:42.879
this, it'll seem a little
clearer and that and that the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6527-0
00:41:41.903 --> 00:41:42.593
Mm-hmm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6537-2
00:41:42.879 --> 00:41:45.798
places that still seem
problematic, we can we can

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6537-3
00:41:45.798 --> 00:41:46.323
identify.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6540-0
00:41:46.783 --> 00:41:47.133
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6565-0
00:41:47.283 --> 00:41:50.515
Then, yeah, but you're right.
They also would have some

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6565-1
00:41:50.515 --> 00:41:54.323
responsibility, and we're hoping
that the VSO is gonna to make it

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6565-2
00:41:54.323 --> 00:41:55.073
simple. Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6586-0
00:41:54.593 --> 00:41:58.798
And that and that would be that
would be their included in their

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6586-1
00:41:58.798 --> 00:42:02.615
work tasks that they would
address in their response to an

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6586-2
00:42:02.615 --> 00:42:02.873
RFP.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6588-0
00:42:04.293 --> 00:42:04.823
Correct.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6596-0
00:42:07.123 --> 00:42:10.793
OK, I'm gonna let town of
Brunswick as a presenter.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6603-0
00:42:12.083 --> 00:42:13.873
Yep, I was all set. Thank you.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6606-0
00:42:14.363 --> 00:42:15.003
Thanks Tony.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6613-0
00:42:18.833 --> 00:42:20.453
Uh, hi everyone. Can you hear
me?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6616-0
00:42:21.123 --> 00:42:21.873
Yep, yes.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6631-0
00:42:22.093 --> 00:42:25.563
Uh, hi everyone. Chrissy Adamowicz
with the town of Brunswick.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6660-0
00:42:26.703 --> 00:42:30.601
I just wanted to throw out there
too, just to remind everybody

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6660-1
00:42:30.601 --> 00:42:34.623
that these programs are used all
over the world by jurisdictions

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6660-2
00:42:34.623 --> 00:42:38.273
that are in similar size to
Maine. So I wonder if we could.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6699-0
00:42:38.773 --> 00:42:41.587
Umm if or if the department
could talk to those

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6699-1
00:42:41.587 --> 00:42:45.046
jurisdictions to see how they're
dealing with the issue of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6699-2
00:42:45.046 --> 00:42:48.446
reasonable as, as as the world
is adopting that method of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6699-3
00:42:48.446 --> 00:42:52.081
packaging more and more, and to
talk to them about the trends

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6699-4
00:42:52.081 --> 00:42:55.363
and and sort of the cutting edge
ways of managing that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6775-0
00:42:55.883 --> 00:42:59.753
Umm, the other thing is that I
think you know it's it's really

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6775-1
00:42:59.753 --> 00:43:03.069
hard to obviously legislate
without data. And I and I

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6775-2
00:43:03.069 --> 00:43:06.693
understand that there's a period
where we'll be doing data

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6775-3
00:43:06.693 --> 00:43:10.501
collection. And so I wonder if
there's a, you know, something

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6775-4
00:43:10.501 --> 00:43:14.309
that we can do sort of in the
short term. But knowing that we

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6775-5
00:43:14.309 --> 00:43:17.994
can collect data and create
policies based on data down the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6775-6
00:43:17.994 --> 00:43:21.617
road and then I just wanted to
offer two, you know, if the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6775-7
00:43:21.617 --> 00:43:25.180
department wants to do some
scenario charting and needs a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6775-8
00:43:25.180 --> 00:43:27.513
municipality to work with to
sort of.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6824-0
00:43:27.613 --> 00:43:30.906
Start scenarios you know if if
1% of the waste stream is

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6824-1
00:43:30.906 --> 00:43:34.660
reasonable. If 5% of 50% of that
waste stream is reasonable, how

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6824-2
00:43:34.660 --> 00:43:38.010
it would affect our recycling
programs and our ability to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6824-3
00:43:38.010 --> 00:43:41.649
deliver those. I just want to
offer Brunswick like you know, we'd

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6824-4
00:43:41.649 --> 00:43:45.230
be happy to work with you to
sort of try to plot that out. So

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6824-5
00:43:45.230 --> 00:43:46.673
that's all I have to say.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6828-0
00:43:49.443 --> 00:43:50.243
Thank you. Thank you.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6838-0
00:43:57.973 --> 00:44:01.503
Looking through the chat just to
see if there's anything.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6854-0
00:44:04.333 --> 00:44:07.885
I think I'm assuming Chrissy and
Tony. You guys are. You have

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6854-1
00:44:07.885 --> 00:44:09.603
your hands up from earlier or.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6859-0
00:44:12.843 --> 00:44:13.793
For them the active.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6869-0
00:44:17.883 --> 00:44:20.913
So maybe think of it. Did you?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6883-0
00:44:20.993 --> 00:44:25.263
Umm. As you're developing things
graph kind of situations. Did

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6883-1
00:44:25.263 --> 00:44:27.363
you run them through a town or?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6885-0
00:44:29.713 --> 00:44:30.023
Something.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6887-0
00:44:31.283 --> 00:44:31.713
The.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6894-0
00:44:32.533 --> 00:44:34.013
This wasn't here today or.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6899-0
00:44:35.273 --> 00:44:37.523
We we looked at.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6901-0
00:44:39.353 --> 00:44:39.913
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6907-0
00:44:40.693 --> 00:44:42.583
A municipal budget.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6913-0
00:44:44.183 --> 00:44:47.113
I know they're all different
and.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6955-0
00:44:50.103 --> 00:44:54.395
It didn't have step. That's the
next step. I think that I think

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6955-1
00:44:54.395 --> 00:44:58.418
it is probably the the next
assembled it and now yeah if we

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6955-2
00:44:58.418 --> 00:45:01.838
could put it into practice with
Yep, there's a few

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6955-3
00:45:01.838 --> 00:45:04.453
municipalities there who have
offered.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6984-0
00:45:05.573 --> 00:45:09.634
Uh, like different? It's it's
it's hard to, you know, there's

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6984-1
00:45:09.634 --> 00:45:13.432
a lot put on. SO in terms of
like looking at you know how

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6984-2
00:45:13.432 --> 00:45:17.623
much time you know the municipal
budget says you know this guy.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/6990-0
00:45:19.713 --> 00:45:21.613
That works for public works,
right?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7002-0
00:45:22.313 --> 00:45:25.020
In the winter time, these guys
have been last week they've been

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7002-1
00:45:25.020 --> 00:45:26.373
plowing snow every day.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7004-0
00:45:27.303 --> 00:45:27.743
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7036-0
00:45:28.663 --> 00:45:32.824
And so there's a lot of just
like the municipal budget has a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7036-1
00:45:32.824 --> 00:45:37.053
line for that guy. Right. And
then the SO is gonna be tasked

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7036-2
00:45:37.053 --> 00:45:41.281
with determining how much of
that guy's salary, for instance,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7036-3
00:45:41.281 --> 00:45:42.713
is relevant here. So.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7057-0
00:45:44.313 --> 00:45:47.213
When you think about it, it's
it's not like I can look at a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7057-1
00:45:47.213 --> 00:45:50.063
you can't look at a municipal
budget and get this without.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7072-0
00:45:50.893 --> 00:45:54.303
Doing thinking about which
person you know the those

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7072-1
00:45:54.303 --> 00:45:56.683
percentages that we're gonna get
to.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7083-0
00:45:58.423 --> 00:46:01.733
Because it's not. These aren't
lines on the municipal budget.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7095-0
00:46:09.593 --> 00:46:12.907
John from Jay and the Public
works guy there. I have one

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7095-1
00:46:12.907 --> 00:46:13.313
budget.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7116-0
00:46:14.193 --> 00:46:18.411
$1.9 million. All right. Yes.
Sorry. Went to maintenance on

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7116-1
00:46:18.411 --> 00:46:21.363
the transfer station and on the
E911 guy.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7165-0
00:46:22.103 --> 00:46:25.602
So it's all one number. I have
some lines in there, but there's

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7165-1
00:46:25.602 --> 00:46:28.772
nothing. I have the same
employees that work all over the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7165-2
00:46:28.772 --> 00:46:32.051
place. The guy that's simply
dumped today hauling a load of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7165-3
00:46:32.051 --> 00:46:35.386
trash to the crossroads, just
following the snowfall, little

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7165-4
00:46:35.386 --> 00:46:36.533
too long. Not hoping.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7169-0
00:46:37.203 --> 00:46:37.813
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7178-0
00:46:39.303 --> 00:46:43.353
Maybe right now it's gonna take
a long detangle that stuff.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7180-0
00:46:46.213 --> 00:46:46.563
A.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7191-0
00:46:47.283 --> 00:46:50.388
Tony, you still you have your
hand up? Is that from previous

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7191-1
00:46:50.388 --> 00:46:51.813
or you have a new statement?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7193-0
00:46:55.753 --> 00:46:56.403
Actually, sorry.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7200-0
00:47:08.233 --> 00:47:09.623
I think you have to allow the
mic.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7206-0
00:47:14.103 --> 00:47:15.873
Different options here versus
there.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7208-0
00:47:18.363 --> 00:47:18.713
I.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7215-0
00:47:19.733 --> 00:47:21.203
Sorry Tony just made you a.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7216-0
00:47:21.183 --> 00:47:21.463
You.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7220-0
00:47:22.363 --> 00:47:23.373
Presenter there we go.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7222-0
00:47:26.133 --> 00:47:26.573
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7230-0
00:47:28.113 --> 00:47:30.183
One of my colleagues made a
point.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7257-0
00:47:31.083 --> 00:47:35.085
And I'm assuming that the fee
that the people using the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7257-1
00:47:35.085 --> 00:47:39.515
packaging are gonna pay well
entice them to reduce the amount

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7257-2
00:47:39.515 --> 00:47:40.443
of packaging.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7260-0
00:47:41.503 --> 00:47:42.023
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7284-0
00:47:43.953 --> 00:47:48.524
But they they they're really
needs to be a big push to reduce

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7284-1
00:47:48.524 --> 00:47:52.283
their there's another R we can
throw in to reduce.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7293-0
00:47:53.893 --> 00:47:57.193
The amount of packaging with
with strong.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7311-0
00:47:59.203 --> 00:48:03.231
I don't say we all know the fees
will be passed on to us. The the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7311-1
00:48:03.231 --> 00:48:05.183
consumer will pay the fees, but.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7327-0
00:48:06.463 --> 00:48:09.590
Is our other other ways we can
convince the people putting the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7327-1
00:48:09.590 --> 00:48:10.533
packaging together?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7331-0
00:48:11.443 --> 00:48:12.453
To use less.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7352-0
00:48:13.513 --> 00:48:17.337
I mean, it's it's insane when
you get a package of pens 12

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7352-1
00:48:17.337 --> 00:48:18.633
pens in a small box.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7364-0
00:48:19.523 --> 00:48:23.173
That's, you know, almost 2 feet
square by 8 inches deep.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7391-0
00:48:25.563 --> 00:48:28.969
And if if they're knocked and
redo, if they're willing to pay

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7391-1
00:48:28.969 --> 00:48:32.319
the fee, pass the costs on to
the consumer, then we're gonna

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7391-2
00:48:32.319 --> 00:48:32.593
need.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7396-0
00:48:33.683 --> 00:48:35.513
Ways like in a MRF.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7418-0
00:48:37.453 --> 00:48:42.247
AI and and optical sorters.
Different things like that. To

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7418-1
00:48:42.247 --> 00:48:47.040
be able to pull more of the
packaging out so the folks can

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7418-2
00:48:47.040 --> 00:48:48.583
get get reimbursed.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7429-0
00:48:52.583 --> 00:48:56.703
Well, thanks, Tony fees, will be
July.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7421-0
00:48:52.733 --> 00:48:53.293
Thank you.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7431-0
00:48:57.433 --> 00:48:57.973
And.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7434-0
00:48:58.273 --> 00:48:58.843
OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7463-0
00:49:00.763 --> 00:49:04.140
Where they're sort of artificial
pieces that we have divided up

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7442-0
00:49:00.903 --> 00:49:01.853
I could.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7463-1
00:49:04.140 --> 00:49:06.513
here, it's hard to separate them
that we've.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7459-0
00:49:05.003 --> 00:49:05.813
Yeah, I know.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7471-0
00:49:07.193 --> 00:49:08.143
Tried for.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7484-0
00:49:07.393 --> 00:49:10.764
You're very good at. You're very
good at re reminding me of the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7484-1
00:49:10.764 --> 00:49:12.133
of the process. Thank you.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7489-0
00:49:13.583 --> 00:49:14.413
No thanks, Tony.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7491-0
00:49:14.663 --> 00:49:14.843
Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7500-0
00:49:18.443 --> 00:49:22.103
OK, Jess, paragraph two, let's
do it. OK, so.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7537-0
00:49:23.493 --> 00:49:27.101
Thank you everyone for your
picture. OK, so calculating

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7537-1
00:49:27.101 --> 00:49:31.096
municipal reimbursement, it's
it's gonna require write annual

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7537-2
00:49:31.096 --> 00:49:34.704
inputs from participating
municipality. Some inputs are

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7537-3
00:49:34.704 --> 00:49:38.376
expected to be defined and
documented by the stewardship

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7537-4
00:49:38.376 --> 00:49:39.213
organization.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7554-0
00:49:40.163 --> 00:49:43.869
When a municipality elects to
participate in the program,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7554-1
00:49:43.869 --> 00:49:46.233
which we have available at any
time.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7584-0
00:49:47.943 --> 00:49:52.983
The SO will consult with the
municipality to outline the cost

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7584-1
00:49:52.983 --> 00:49:58.103
that it will report and define
the inputs that will be provided

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7584-2
00:49:58.103 --> 00:50:02.663
by the SO a municipality can
estimate SO defined inputs

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7584-3
00:50:02.663 --> 00:50:05.063
until the consultation occurs.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7601-0
00:50:05.813 --> 00:50:10.242
Umm. And from here on out in the
document we just noted that all

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7601-1
00:50:10.242 --> 00:50:12.013
the inputs are underlined.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7643-0
00:50:13.683 --> 00:50:17.146
The terms, packaging, material
and commodity are used

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7643-1
00:50:17.146 --> 00:50:20.929
extensively throughout the
document, so packaging material

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7643-2
00:50:20.929 --> 00:50:24.904
is a discrete type of material
or it's a category of material

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7643-3
00:50:24.904 --> 00:50:28.944
that includes multiple discrete
types of material with similar

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7643-4
00:50:28.944 --> 00:50:31.893
management requirements and
commodity values.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7655-0
00:50:32.803 --> 00:50:36.190
Packaging material types will be
discussed in more detail during

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7655-1
00:50:36.190 --> 00:50:37.753
the March stakeholder meeting.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7674-0
00:50:39.373 --> 00:50:43.808
Meetings, but for now, likely
examples of packaging material

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7674-1
00:50:43.808 --> 00:50:47.443
types include corrugated
cardboard, colored HDPE.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7679-0
00:50:47.523 --> 00:50:50.383
The natural HDPE.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7700-0
00:50:51.173 --> 00:50:55.415
The word commodity is used to
refer to processed recycling

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00:50:55.415 --> 00:50:59.953
that's ready to be sold to the
material reprocessing market.

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00:51:00.613 --> 00:51:04.317
While a packaging material type
might be turned into its own

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/7768-1
00:51:04.317 --> 00:51:07.838
commodity by 1 municipality, as
tends to be the case with

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00:51:07.838 --> 00:51:11.238
corrugated cardboard, a
different municipality may have

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00:51:11.238 --> 00:51:15.184
a different management practice,
as is the case with colored and

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00:51:15.184 --> 00:51:19.008
natural HDPE. Some manage them
separately. Some manage the two

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00:51:19.008 --> 00:51:22.469
together and others manage them
along with other plastic

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00:51:22.469 --> 00:51:25.443
material types, to produce a
mixed plastic Bale.

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00:51:26.943 --> 00:51:30.236
So the department finds it
practical and sensible to

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00:51:30.236 --> 00:51:34.150
calculate a municipalities cost
of managing packaging material

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00:51:34.150 --> 00:51:37.815
by commodity because many
processing costs and revenue are

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00:51:37.815 --> 00:51:41.667
commodity specific. Therefore
figuring commodity cost per ton

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00:51:41.667 --> 00:51:45.395
is central to the proposed
method for determining municipal

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00:51:45.395 --> 00:51:49.060
reimbursement for any commodity.
The commodity cost per 10

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00:51:49.060 --> 00:51:52.850
represents the cost of managing
all packaging material types

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00:51:52.850 --> 00:51:56.702
present in that commodity and it
is assigned to all packaging

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00:51:56.702 --> 00:51:57.633
material types.

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00:51:58.053 --> 00:51:59.133
That it includes.

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00:51:59.893 --> 00:52:03.748
Municipalities will be
responsible for reporting tons

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00:52:03.748 --> 00:52:07.960
commodity delivered and it will
be adjusted to reflect the

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00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:12.386
amount of packaging material
present or percent material type

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00:52:12.386 --> 00:52:16.455
in commodity, the cost of
managing packaging material or

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00:52:16.455 --> 00:52:20.666
the material type cost per ton
is then used for comparison

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00:52:20.666 --> 00:52:25.092
among municipalities because
different municipalities produce

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00:52:25.092 --> 00:52:28.947
different commodities for
similar municipalities, the

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00:52:28.947 --> 00:52:29.803
median cost.

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00:52:29.883 --> 00:52:33.974
Of managing a packaging material
type or the media and material

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00:52:33.974 --> 00:52:37.234
type cost per time and the
adjusted number of tons

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00:52:37.234 --> 00:52:41.260
delivered or the material type
tons recycled by a municipality

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00:52:41.260 --> 00:52:44.903
would then be used to determine
municipal reimbursement.

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00:52:47.523 --> 00:52:52.314
This stuff here we. Ohh yeah,
definitely. We'll take a take a

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00:52:52.314 --> 00:52:53.473
moment here to.

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00:52:54.613 --> 00:53:00.031
Just see if anybody has any
comment or yeah any comments

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00:53:00.031 --> 00:53:04.023
regarding the opening of of the
proposal.

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00:53:07.843 --> 00:53:11.513
OK. Yeah. And then Andy, behind
you too, OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8004-0
00:53:12.263 --> 00:53:16.153
Go with the Alex out. OK first,
where do you go?

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00:53:17.563 --> 00:53:18.263
She lives in.

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00:53:19.583 --> 00:53:19.853
It's.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8025-0
00:53:32.803 --> 00:53:35.513
Hi Alex. We should be ready.
Just. Yeah, I'm muting yourself.

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00:53:36.893 --> 00:53:38.103
No, we can't hear you yet.

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00:53:39.033 --> 00:53:40.503
Hi. It's, this is Alex.

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00:53:41.703 --> 00:53:42.813
From Canada.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8044-0
00:53:44.133 --> 00:53:45.563
I'm with circular materials.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8066-0
00:53:47.673 --> 00:53:51.835
This is this is great, great
discussion. I'm I'm just

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8066-1
00:53:51.835 --> 00:53:55.919
wondering I'm testing is there
is there that need to

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00:53:55.919 --> 00:53:58.693
differentiate cost for
commodities?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8071-0
00:53:59.473 --> 00:54:01.433
Magor commodities at at this
stage.

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00:54:02.393 --> 00:54:03.063
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8079-0
00:54:04.673 --> 00:54:08.713
Uh at the municipal stage? Or
could it be done?

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00:54:10.243 --> 00:54:13.948
For the downstream, when we get
to the actual funding formulas

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00:54:13.948 --> 00:54:15.123
and and fee setting.

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00:54:17.233 --> 00:54:21.153
Because the the just the
experience here has been that,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8141-1
00:54:21.153 --> 00:54:25.423
you know, we just we we collect
cost data from the different

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8141-2
00:54:25.423 --> 00:54:29.973
jurisdictions and municiplaities based
on a total total all in cost for

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00:54:29.973 --> 00:54:34.453
collection processing, sorting,
transferring and then the costs

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00:54:34.453 --> 00:54:37.043
are divided to the materials based
on.

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00:54:38.163 --> 00:54:41.663
You know, internal formulas and
math and science.

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00:54:43.283 --> 00:54:47.087
So just just a question there
and and if if if that's the case

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00:54:47.087 --> 00:54:49.803
that you wanna do it at the
municipal level?

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00:54:50.523 --> 00:54:52.840
You know what, what mechanism
would you have to actually do

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00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:53.033
that?

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00:54:56.643 --> 00:54:59.500
Sorry, 2 seconds this every. Is
there anyone else having? Is

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00:54:59.500 --> 00:55:01.653
anyone having problems with
audio other than?

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00:55:02.563 --> 00:55:04.353
When everyone all set.

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00:55:06.523 --> 00:55:06.993
So this.

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00:55:09.343 --> 00:55:11.263
So so some of our thoughts on.

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00:55:13.133 --> 00:55:14.583
On this here are.

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00:55:19.263 --> 00:55:19.733
Umm.

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00:55:20.953 --> 00:55:22.893
A number of thoughts so.

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00:55:25.443 --> 00:55:28.633
When we're the way we've been
imagining reimbursing

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00:55:28.633 --> 00:55:32.190
municipalities is is based on
the amount of material that

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00:55:32.190 --> 00:55:33.293
they're recycling.

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00:55:34.473 --> 00:55:38.088
And so I think what you're
suggesting is it could be just a

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00:55:38.088 --> 00:55:41.462
a general, this is the per ton
cost of recycling and you

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00:55:41.462 --> 00:55:44.233
reimburse municipalities at the
per ton cost.

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00:55:47.323 --> 00:55:50.322
The The There's a couple of
reasons we haven't done that

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00:55:50.322 --> 00:55:53.689
one, as you were suggesting, we
are imagining that this data is

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00:55:53.689 --> 00:55:55.793
gonna then feed into the
producer fees.

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00:55:56.333 --> 00:55:58.883
Umm, we're also hoping that.

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00:56:00.833 --> 00:56:05.323
This data can be used to help
understand.

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00:56:06.703 --> 00:56:07.073
What

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00:56:08.213 --> 00:56:12.353
Methods of of collection. You
know where municipalities are

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00:56:12.353 --> 00:56:16.216
doing a good job and where
they're doing. Not as good a

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00:56:16.216 --> 00:56:20.424
job. What methods are efficient
and effective versus not. In

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00:56:20.424 --> 00:56:24.563
Maine, we have people doing all
kinds of stuff and I think.

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00:56:25.263 --> 00:56:28.571
That in part that's because in
different places it makes sense

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00:56:28.571 --> 00:56:29.883
to do things differently.

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00:56:30.943 --> 00:56:33.809
But I think there's also, we're
hoping that there is a fair

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00:56:33.809 --> 00:56:36.435
amount of learning that can take
place. You know, when

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00:56:36.435 --> 00:56:39.396
municipalities look at things
and say this is my cost per ton

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00:56:39.396 --> 00:56:42.166
of managing this material, other
people are having a very

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00:56:42.166 --> 00:56:44.983
different cost per ton of
managing this material. You know

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00:56:44.983 --> 00:56:47.849
these people who are managing
this material at a lower cost

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00:56:47.849 --> 00:56:49.233
per ton, what are they doing?

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00:56:50.023 --> 00:56:54.073
And might we wanna try what
they're doing? So that's.

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00:56:55.493 --> 00:56:58.185
Those are sort of the two
reasons that that we're thinking

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00:56:55.503 --> 00:56:55.783
Right.

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00:56:58.185 --> 00:56:59.143
of doing it that way.

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00:57:00.583 --> 00:57:01.703
And if this helps.

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00:57:00.693 --> 00:57:05.082
Yeah. And I and I I was just
asking about the the need to

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00:57:02.803 --> 00:57:03.113
I.

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00:57:05.082 --> 00:57:07.503
differentiate by commodity type.

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00:57:08.983 --> 00:57:12.813
Because here we also just, you
know, we compare and benchmark

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00:57:12.813 --> 00:57:16.580
municipalities and each other
where we have sort of like the

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00:57:16.580 --> 00:57:20.224
best practice model. If you're
cost button is X, the other

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00:57:20.224 --> 00:57:24.115
neighboring Muni is the cost per
ton plus plus X percent. Then

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00:57:24.115 --> 00:57:27.203
they're higher than there should
be some sort of.

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00:57:28.683 --> 00:57:32.237
You know pullbacks on on their
funding, but it's it's all at a

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00:57:32.237 --> 00:57:35.847
global level. We're looking at
the full basket. So I'm I'm just

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00:57:35.847 --> 00:57:39.513
really wondering is, is there a
need to do it by my by material?

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00:57:40.783 --> 00:57:41.963
For for at this stage.

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00:57:45.793 --> 00:57:46.683
There might not be.

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00:57:47.553 --> 00:57:49.413
That's something we can we can
think more about.

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00:57:51.713 --> 00:57:52.143
Cool.

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00:57:53.393 --> 00:57:56.100
That just just my my, uh,
comments. Thoughts. Thank you

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00:57:53.593 --> 00:57:54.103
Thank you.

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00:57:56.100 --> 00:57:56.583
very much.

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00:57:57.923 --> 00:57:58.423
Thank you.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8595-0
00:58:01.923 --> 00:58:05.680
Andy yeah. So I had a question
in math is not my major in

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00:58:05.680 --> 00:58:09.113
college and it's far away. I
think the positive but.

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00:58:11.103 --> 00:58:13.113
Several point I made in the
earlier session.

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00:58:14.093 --> 00:58:17.997
There's language in here used
somewhat interchangeably about

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00:58:17.997 --> 00:58:19.853
commodity cost material type.

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00:58:20.623 --> 00:58:24.992
Packaging when there's gonna be
a volume within a particular

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00:58:24.992 --> 00:58:29.073
material ton or commodity ton
of non covered material.

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00:58:29.833 --> 00:58:33.119
Is that going to be discounted
or how are we going to discount

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00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:36.456
the factor that that's as we've
talked about exempt things that

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00:58:36.456 --> 00:58:39.690
could be because our exempts
that will be exempted and things

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8694-3
00:58:39.690 --> 00:58:42.871
are not considered shopping
trials and how does that show up

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8694-4
00:58:42.871 --> 00:58:45.583
in the I think that's that
percent material type in

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00:58:45.583 --> 00:58:48.503
commodity. Yeah, it's at the
bottom. And so after we've

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00:58:48.503 --> 00:58:51.371
figured you, so you have the
commodity get the cost by

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00:58:51.371 --> 00:58:52.153
commodity type.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8764-0
00:58:52.913 --> 00:58:56.791
You know how many tons of the
commodity that you've recycled

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8764-1
00:58:56.791 --> 00:59:00.859
and then you just you break open
a bale and you see how much of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8764-2
00:59:00.859 --> 00:59:04.736
that bale on average you bring
in more than one bale, right?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8764-3
00:59:04.736 --> 00:59:08.169
Obviously you see how much of
that bale is is covered

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8764-4
00:59:08.169 --> 00:59:11.665
packaging material and you'd
have to do that for every

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8764-5
00:59:11.665 --> 00:59:15.478
different commodity type, at
least the way we have this set

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8764-6
00:59:15.478 --> 00:59:18.911
up right now. And that
percentage you'd multiply, you

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8764-7
00:59:18.911 --> 00:59:20.563
know, if it's 50% of that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8770-0
00:59:21.703 --> 00:59:23.353
Mixed paper bale is.

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00:59:24.173 --> 00:59:27.876
Is covered packaging then these
municialities would get yeah. The 50%

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8852-1
00:59:27.876 --> 00:59:31.579
of the there are tons recycled.
It's at the bottom. We'll we'll

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8852-2
00:59:31.579 --> 00:59:35.281
point it out when we get there.
The right and maybe last night.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8852-3
00:59:35.281 --> 00:59:38.868
I think it's worth clarifying
here to since it was brought up

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8852-4
00:59:38.868 --> 00:59:42.108
by Alex at the municipal level
like these calculate the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8852-5
00:59:42.108 --> 00:59:45.810
calculations were talking about
then we have summarized in this

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8852-6
00:59:45.810 --> 00:59:49.455
paragraph with the applying the
percent material type which is

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8852-7
00:59:49.455 --> 00:59:52.984
gonna come from an audit from
the SO and getting a material

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8852-8
00:59:52.984 --> 00:59:54.083
type cost for time.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8859-0
00:59:54.163 --> 00:59:56.513
All of that is gonna happen.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8912-0
00:59:57.093 --> 01:00:01.127
Uh. With the SO through the
SO, the municipalities are just

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8912-1
01:00:01.127 --> 01:00:05.095
supplying the inputs to quantify
the commodity cost per ton.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8912-2
01:00:05.095 --> 01:00:09.129
They're not moving forward and
getting, you know, the percent

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8912-3
01:00:09.129 --> 01:00:12.967
material type. That's something
that's carried out through

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8912-4
01:00:12.967 --> 01:00:16.870
audits with the. So I just
wanted to clarify that. So maybe

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8912-5
01:00:16.870 --> 01:00:20.253
that that means it's not
happening at the municipal

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8912-6
01:00:20.253 --> 01:00:20.643
level.

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01:00:23.723 --> 01:00:25.293
Are there any other questions?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8924-0
01:00:25.363 --> 01:00:28.803
I know. Hands up, along with
some stuff.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8926-0
01:00:30.453 --> 01:00:30.893
in the chat.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8997-0
01:00:34.673 --> 01:00:37.860
When municipalities
will not be capable of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8997-1
01:00:37.860 --> 01:00:41.461
allocating costs to material
streams without detail activity

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8997-2
01:00:41.461 --> 01:00:45.120
based cost costing studies, this
will be cost prohibitive for

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8997-3
01:00:45.120 --> 01:00:49.015
most municipalities and requires
expertise that does not exist at

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8997-4
01:00:49.015 --> 01:00:52.379
the municipal level. Yeah, makes
four more sense to have

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8997-5
01:00:52.379 --> 01:00:55.743
municipalities report total
recycling costs. With proper

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8997-6
01:00:55.743 --> 01:00:59.225
support, they can do this as
shown in other jurisdictions.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/8997-7
01:00:59.225 --> 01:01:02.943
All materials are not to be paid
for, then a portion of costs.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9007-0
01:01:04.083 --> 01:01:06.873
Can be paid based on studies
done by the SO.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9033-0
01:01:08.213 --> 01:01:11.570
So yes, we are thinking that the
SO is going to come up with

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9033-1
01:01:11.570 --> 01:01:15.036
those those studies that you're
saying the municipalities can't

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9033-2
01:01:15.036 --> 01:01:18.013
do on on. We are expecting that
the SO will do those.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9040-0
01:01:24.033 --> 01:01:25.773
So As for the input.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9042-0
01:01:26.713 --> 01:01:27.223
That.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9058-0
01:01:28.883 --> 01:01:32.393
Largely are coming from
municipalities. That's pretty

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9058-1
01:01:32.393 --> 01:01:34.733
much all there in Roman numeral
#1.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9069-0
01:01:35.723 --> 01:01:38.433
Umm. In order to get a commodity
cost per ton?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9091-0
01:01:39.233 --> 01:01:44.273
We've got all those inputs, so
yes, the end we didn't formally

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9091-1
01:01:44.273 --> 01:01:47.553
introduce it it it represents
municipal.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9138-0
01:01:48.243 --> 01:01:54.091
So we've got those municipal,
sensible costs, labor, equipment

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9138-1
01:01:54.091 --> 01:01:59.845
structure, energy, and we're
gonna get that as a cost per ton

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9138-2
01:01:59.845 --> 01:02:05.414
by dividing it by the times
commodity delivered to that, we

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9138-3
01:02:05.414 --> 01:02:10.518
add revenue shared, shared
hauling costs, nonspecific

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9138-4
01:02:10.518 --> 01:02:14.973
costs, contracted cost and
profit and overhead.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9154-0
01:02:15.733 --> 01:02:20.298
We we note that not all these
inputs are related are relevant

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9154-1
01:02:20.298 --> 01:02:21.843
to all processes and.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9174-0
01:02:23.893 --> 01:02:26.682
In order to get the commodity
cost per ton, I want to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9174-1
01:02:26.682 --> 01:02:29.825
acknowledge that we subtract the
revenue that's made from the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9174-2
01:02:29.825 --> 01:02:30.433
commodities.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9181-0
01:02:32.293 --> 01:02:34.303
We have a question from Neal in
House.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9190-0
01:02:36.443 --> 01:02:39.353
I was just wondering if clarify,
yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9204-0
01:02:41.373 --> 01:02:46.158
The the motivation for what to
track the commodity cost per

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9204-1
01:02:46.158 --> 01:02:47.673
ton as opposed to.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9210-0
01:02:48.913 --> 01:02:50.403
Chill stream with the idea that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9270-0
01:02:51.093 --> 01:02:54.628
Was municipality don't deal with
the commodities that like in

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9270-1
01:02:54.628 --> 01:02:57.991
cardboard. They didn't, perhaps,
but most things it's just

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9270-2
01:02:57.991 --> 01:03:01.468
available plastic to them. So
they never see the commodities

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9270-3
01:03:01.468 --> 01:03:04.375
shipped off to be processed
somewhere. So whenever

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9270-4
01:03:04.375 --> 01:03:07.966
perspective it's not a commodity
yet, it'll become a commodity

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9270-5
01:03:07.966 --> 01:03:08.593
downstream.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9275-0
01:03:10.273 --> 01:03:11.323
Is the idea that?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9308-0
01:03:12.283 --> 01:03:16.553
Eventually we will be able to
account for those downstream

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9308-1
01:03:16.553 --> 01:03:20.895
costs, perhaps at the preferred
it downstream processes are

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9308-2
01:03:20.895 --> 01:03:24.802
reporting also was now it's a
line of line item I pay

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01:03:24.802 --> 01:03:25.453
somebody.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9327-0
01:03:26.223 --> 01:03:29.524
$50.00 or whatever to get rid of
this bail and they have to go

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9327-1
01:03:29.524 --> 01:03:31.933
take care of it and turn it into
a commodity.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9352-0
01:03:33.613 --> 01:03:38.274
Right now it's a line item that
the municipality report, but at

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9352-1
01:03:38.274 --> 01:03:42.133
some point maybe a hope that
that processor will be.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9361-0
01:03:43.203 --> 01:03:45.873
Participate in the reporting so
we can get the real costs.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9368-0
01:03:46.843 --> 01:03:48.773
When it actually becomes a
commodity.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9380-0
01:03:50.553 --> 01:03:52.987
So when we're referring to
commodity here, we're referring

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9380-1
01:03:52.987 --> 01:03:53.523
to that bale.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9387-0
01:03:55.543 --> 01:03:57.123
Umm is that your?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9404-0
01:03:58.613 --> 01:04:01.597
So we are we are looking at at
what the we are trying to do

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9404-1
01:04:01.597 --> 01:04:03.933
these costs based on what the
municipality is.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9425-0
01:04:04.673 --> 01:04:07.591
That's what. That's what we're
intending to to do with commodity

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9425-1
01:04:07.591 --> 01:04:10.414
is look at that bill and in
terms of later is that, is that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9425-2
01:04:10.414 --> 01:04:12.013
where you were your question
was?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9451-0
01:04:12.713 --> 01:04:16.874
But as though I guess what maybe
we didn't do a very good job of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9451-1
01:04:16.874 --> 01:04:20.843
defining commodity, what we're
you know if if a municipality.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9455-0
01:04:20.923 --> 01:04:22.863
Umm recycles.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9459-0
01:04:24.643 --> 01:04:25.923
Has a #2 bale.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9469-0
01:04:27.533 --> 01:04:30.315
Then when we say commodity,
we're talking about that number

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9469-1
01:04:30.315 --> 01:04:30.593
2 bit.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9471-0
01:04:31.553 --> 01:04:32.123
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9483-0
01:04:33.073 --> 01:04:36.378
But what if it's a mixed bale?
If it's a single stream, pay

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9483-1
01:04:36.378 --> 01:04:36.873
somebody.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9504-0
01:04:37.863 --> 01:04:41.473
So it's it's not sellable on
market as is. So it's not I

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9504-1
01:04:41.473 --> 01:04:44.893
guess it's like a single stream
like a single stream.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9522-0
01:04:46.203 --> 01:04:50.032
That's selling. Say it's like
1 through 7 plastics like they

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9522-1
01:04:50.032 --> 01:04:52.463
just get all the plastics. They
failed.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9529-0
01:04:54.243 --> 01:04:55.673
Something else would have to
process that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9531-0
01:04:56.673 --> 01:04:57.183
7.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9554-0
01:04:58.953 --> 01:05:02.467
Right. So we would be in that
case if it's a 1 through 7

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9554-1
01:05:02.467 --> 01:05:05.920
bale. When we say commodity,
we're talking about that 1

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9554-2
01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:08.123
through 7 bail and then we would
be.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9568-0
01:05:09.703 --> 01:05:12.276
You know, on a bill like that,
you need to look at what's

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9568-1
01:05:12.276 --> 01:05:13.873
actually recovered, right,
because

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9578-0
01:05:14.693 --> 01:05:16.683
1, 2, and 7 do not recycled out of that
bale.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9634-0
01:05:18.673 --> 01:05:22.518
And we were gonna talk more
about that in the audit section,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9634-1
01:05:22.518 --> 01:05:26.300
but so those that downstream
processor so that that happens

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9634-2
01:05:26.300 --> 01:05:30.144
to a fair amount in the state of
Maine. Some people said the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9634-3
01:05:30.144 --> 01:05:33.863
mixed path plastic bale to in
Quebec, they have a facility

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9634-4
01:05:33.863 --> 01:05:37.896
like a plastic MRF that they
separate that out and they pull,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9634-5
01:05:37.896 --> 01:05:40.543
I believe the 5 and some of
the 1s.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9643-0
01:05:41.193 --> 01:05:44.653
Umm. And those are recycled and
the rest is incinerated.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9651-0
01:05:45.793 --> 01:05:47.913
And so we would be trying to
account for that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9658-0
01:05:48.683 --> 01:05:51.343
Both at the bottom of these cost
equations.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9685-0
01:05:52.253 --> 01:05:56.170
And and then potentially through
audits, you know, we'd look to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9685-1
01:05:56.170 --> 01:06:00.025
get good numbers, but but those
people don't have to report to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9685-2
01:06:00.025 --> 01:06:01.493
us. So would sort of be.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9736-0
01:06:02.823 --> 01:06:06.219
The question of like, how do you
get that information? You could

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9736-1
01:06:06.219 --> 01:06:09.197
either sort of like assume
default default values or you

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9736-2
01:06:09.197 --> 01:06:11.966
could get reporting like
voluntary reporting. Or you

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9736-3
01:06:11.966 --> 01:06:15.049
could sort of you know, say
municipalities. You gotta sell

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9736-4
01:06:15.049 --> 01:06:18.079
to somebody who's gonna report
to it. There's a different

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9736-5
01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:20.273
number of different ways you
could do it.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9750-0
01:06:21.333 --> 01:06:25.433
In my in I don't even. I'm in my
responding to your question,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9750-1
01:06:25.433 --> 01:06:25.763
yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9755-0
01:06:28.573 --> 01:06:29.963
Between those 3.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9767-0
01:06:30.663 --> 01:06:33.237
Sounds like we're kind of
talking about the same thing.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9767-1
01:06:33.237 --> 01:06:35.443
We're kind of talking about the
same thing, so.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9789-0
01:06:37.353 --> 01:06:40.925
Well, they are selling those one
through sevens. I mean and

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9789-1
01:06:40.925 --> 01:06:43.723
sometimes they sell them at all
at a lot even.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9820-0
01:06:44.303 --> 01:06:47.717
Umm yeah, I guess I was saying
that as a cost so but but I

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9820-1
01:06:47.717 --> 01:06:51.246
think I think that material
stream is a good way to material

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9820-2
01:06:51.246 --> 01:06:54.833
stream is a good way to think
about what we're talking about.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9820-3
01:06:54.833 --> 01:06:57.263
We say when we're talking
commodity here.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9831-0
01:06:59.583 --> 01:07:03.273
We've had a lot of trouble with
clarity on that, so I apologize.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9838-0
01:07:04.663 --> 01:07:06.233
How does this work for single
stream?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9850-0
01:07:08.093 --> 01:07:11.477
We'll get there. But you know
where there's cost. You can see

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9850-1
01:07:11.477 --> 01:07:12.623
that in that in that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9856-0
01:07:14.153 --> 01:07:16.343
Equation here we've got this.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9910-0
01:07:16.433 --> 01:07:20.342
Uh, if you wanna read the whole
thing, not that you do. There's

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9910-1
01:07:20.342 --> 01:07:24.005
this nonspecific cost per ton.
And then there's also shared

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9910-2
01:07:24.005 --> 01:07:27.791
hauling cost per ton and and
both and then there's contracted

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9910-3
01:07:27.791 --> 01:07:30.906
cost per ton, but those
nonspecific and we do have

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01:07:30.906 --> 01:07:34.447
pieces of the equation that are
designed to look at those

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01:07:34.447 --> 01:07:38.416
streams that are just completely
mixed and there's no way you're

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01:07:38.416 --> 01:07:39.393
gonna, you know.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9946-0
01:07:40.663 --> 01:07:44.127
Education at a drop off on
a source separated municipality

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9946-1
01:07:44.127 --> 01:07:47.483
might be similar, but there's no
way you're gonna divide that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9946-2
01:07:47.483 --> 01:07:50.947
cost. Give that cost to  a
single commodity. And so looking

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9946-3
01:07:50.947 --> 01:07:53.923
at what are those total costs
and then splitting them?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9949-0
01:07:54.853 --> 01:07:55.543
Afterwards.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9951-0
01:07:56.663 --> 01:07:57.133
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9957-0
01:07:58.633 --> 01:08:00.363
So we'll get there. Is that OK?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9960-0
01:08:01.753 --> 01:08:02.163
Good.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9964-0
01:08:03.453 --> 01:08:04.563
Last meeting somebody.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9976-0
01:08:07.053 --> 01:08:09.912
Umm, I'm gonna take you
opportunity to read some of the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9976-1
01:08:09.912 --> 01:08:10.473
chats here.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/9978-0
01:08:11.203 --> 01:08:11.933
Uh.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10015-0
01:08:14.993 --> 01:08:19.909
OK. Alex Chan, also consider
that the basket of materials is

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10015-1
01:08:19.909 --> 01:08:24.349
not uniform, presumably
presumably between units. So it

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10015-2
01:08:24.349 --> 01:08:28.788
may be hard to determine cost
per ton for each material

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01:08:28.788 --> 01:08:29.343
fairly.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10020-0
01:08:30.553 --> 01:08:31.653
Glenn Williams.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10067-0
01:08:32.603 --> 01:08:36.823
Chats. Municipalities may know
their labor cost for recycling

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10067-1
01:08:36.823 --> 01:08:41.179
programs, but they will not know
the cost per material allocate

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10067-2
01:08:41.179 --> 01:08:44.787
to each material, both in
collection and processing,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10067-3
01:08:44.787 --> 01:08:48.803
requires detailed costing
studies to have any accuracy and

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10067-4
01:08:48.803 --> 01:08:51.933
volume, and transit is a key
activity driver.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10102-0
01:08:53.253 --> 01:08:57.538
Gary Jones says what program is
going to be set up to ensure

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10102-1
01:08:57.538 --> 01:09:01.822
that the cost being identified
or accurate and reflective of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10102-2
01:09:01.822 --> 01:09:05.123
the actual costs incurred by the
municipality.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10131-0
01:09:05.793 --> 01:09:09.491
Producers need to be protected
from municipalities that are,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10131-1
01:09:09.491 --> 01:09:13.066
including costs in their data
that is not related to their

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10131-2
01:09:13.066 --> 01:09:16.763
recycling program. And I'm just
as say, for logistical note.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10154-0
01:09:18.413 --> 01:09:21.513
Reading these to make sure we
answer the questions if they're

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10154-1
01:09:21.513 --> 01:09:24.413
there, and also to put them in
the transcript so that the

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01:09:24.413 --> 01:09:27.563
what's in the chat will get into
the chat meetings transcript.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10171-0
01:09:33.183 --> 01:09:37.434
So I think I think much of of
what people are saying is we are

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10171-1
01:09:37.434 --> 01:09:39.593
hoping that the SO is going to.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10191-0
01:09:41.173 --> 01:09:46.750
Umm, sort of be the key entity
here in terms of ensuring

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10191-1
01:09:46.750 --> 01:09:49.783
accuracy and ensuring fairness.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10204-0
01:09:51.663 --> 01:09:55.380
I think it, I think maybe if we
go through a couple of the first

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10204-1
01:09:55.380 --> 01:09:55.723
costs.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10219-0
01:09:56.443 --> 01:09:59.886
It it'll be a little more clear
what what role the so is going

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01:09:59.886 --> 01:10:00.323
to have.

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01:10:01.013 --> 01:10:04.999
And then maybe we can talk more
specifically as we get through

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10266-1
01:10:04.999 --> 01:10:08.794
those. And then I just wanna
reiterate like how the I guess

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10266-2
01:10:08.794 --> 01:10:12.400
the definition of the word
commodity in this context, so

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10266-3
01:10:12.400 --> 01:10:16.512
the word commodity is being used
to refer to processed recycling

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10266-4
01:10:16.512 --> 01:10:20.433
that's ready to be sold to the
material reprocessing markets.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10294-0
01:10:25.153 --> 01:10:29.468
OK. So yeah, just noting that
all those inputs we have to

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01:10:29.468 --> 01:10:33.559
determine commodity cost per
ton, not all of those are

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10294-2
01:10:33.559 --> 01:10:35.493
relevant to all processes.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10345-0
01:10:36.503 --> 01:10:41.495
OK, so now the bullets are just
kind of give emphasis to each of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10345-1
01:10:41.495 --> 01:10:46.179
those inputs. So the first one
had tons commodity delivered,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10345-2
01:10:46.179 --> 01:10:50.403
it's the total tons of a given
commodity delivered for

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01:10:50.403 --> 01:10:55.164
recycling by the municipality
over the course of the year. It

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01:10:55.164 --> 01:10:59.233
is is the weight recorded at the
receiving facility.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10370-0
01:11:00.343 --> 01:11:05.163
So we don't emphasize this over
and over again in the document,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10370-1
01:11:05.163 --> 01:11:10.059
but everything this is happening
on an annual basis. So a lot of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10370-2
01:11:10.059 --> 01:11:12.393
these inputs are annual totals.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10372-0
01:11:14.333 --> 01:11:14.763
Yes.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10378-0
01:11:16.853 --> 01:11:19.503
Rather than think of it as
annual basis that we.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10391-0
01:11:20.353 --> 01:11:24.690
That in terms of reporting
period, which might be annually

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10391-1
01:11:24.690 --> 01:11:24.983
but.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10403-0
01:11:25.863 --> 01:11:28.245
It maybe eventually, within a
few years we could optimize

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10403-1
01:11:28.245 --> 01:11:28.983
things so that it.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10407-0
01:11:29.773 --> 01:11:30.823
Even report monthly.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10417-0
01:11:31.983 --> 01:11:35.293
Something along the basis to
give this finding data.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10437-0
01:11:38.673 --> 01:11:42.380
That would be an easy that would
be an easy change in the wording

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10437-1
01:11:42.380 --> 01:11:45.917
if we were to go that route.
So we can, yeah, consider that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10437-2
01:11:45.917 --> 01:11:46.703
if it seems.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10454-0
01:11:47.783 --> 01:11:50.530
Impossible right now, but it's
hard. Yeah, it's like all these

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10454-1
01:11:50.530 --> 01:11:52.753
other things. Once we get going,
it's hard to say.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10463-0
01:11:53.443 --> 01:11:56.323
OK. Tony has question. OK, Tony
has a question.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10466-0
01:11:57.593 --> 01:11:58.973
Thing thing.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10468-0
01:12:04.503 --> 01:12:05.173
Hi.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10486-0
01:12:07.433 --> 01:12:11.057
Think that was Andy that asked
for consideration being to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10486-1
01:12:11.057 --> 01:12:12.243
change from annual.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10488-0
01:12:13.723 --> 01:12:14.173
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10502-0
01:12:15.763 --> 01:12:19.989
As we go through this and with
all due respect, I I don't think

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10502-1
01:12:19.989 --> 01:12:20.913
you folks can.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10537-0
01:12:22.283 --> 01:12:26.456
Jumped through too many hoops in
an afternoon and and change what

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10537-1
01:12:26.456 --> 01:12:30.250
you've been working on. You
could ask for it to be all done

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10537-2
01:12:30.250 --> 01:12:34.044
on an annual basis, but then a
municipality, whomever could

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01:12:34.044 --> 01:12:36.193
take it upon themselves to do
it.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10543-0
01:12:39.183 --> 01:12:41.433
On a on a different schedule.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10550-0
01:12:43.953 --> 01:12:45.583
You see what I'm what I mean.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10562-0
01:12:48.483 --> 01:12:50.023
Yeah, we're just taking notes.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10565-0
01:12:48.863 --> 01:12:51.173
Yeah, we're just taking ohh.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10575-0
01:12:54.743 --> 01:12:57.683
Because I don't think we can
rewrite the whole thing today.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10581-0
01:12:58.413 --> 01:12:59.563
Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10580-0
01:12:58.743 --> 01:12:59.673
Uh, yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10588-0
01:13:01.333 --> 01:13:02.243
But but the.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10592-0
01:13:01.433 --> 01:13:03.313
We'll be lucky if we can get
through the thing today.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10629-0
01:13:05.273 --> 01:13:09.527
I thought it was just me. No,
Umm, you know they're good. Good

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10629-1
01:13:09.527 --> 01:13:13.645
points to be considered, but
just maybe to be taken down for

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10629-2
01:13:13.645 --> 01:13:17.831
consideration by you folks when
the when you rally around the

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01:13:17.831 --> 01:13:20.733
table, so to speak, to review
the meeting.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10632-0
01:13:21.693 --> 01:13:22.113
Thank you.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10668-0
01:13:23.393 --> 01:13:28.512
Thanks for your reply. Yeah, and
Tony, this is Neal. That was

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10648-0
01:13:27.293 --> 01:13:27.603
Yes.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10668-1
01:13:28.512 --> 01:13:33.795
that was my comment and not I'm
not intending to to try and and

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10657-0
01:13:29.653 --> 01:13:30.263
Uh, I'm sure.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10668-2
01:13:33.795 --> 01:13:35.033
push people to.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10688-0
01:13:36.573 --> 01:13:39.853
Do something that they're not
capable of. I was just saying if

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10688-1
01:13:39.853 --> 01:13:42.663
we think about about it in terms
of reporting cycles.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10702-0
01:13:43.523 --> 01:13:47.454
Everything works whether it's a
year or a month and in the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10702-1
01:13:47.454 --> 01:13:48.253
future when.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10729-0
01:13:49.013 --> 01:13:52.254
We build our infrastructure out
and we have some systems built

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10729-1
01:13:52.254 --> 01:13:55.443
up that automate some of this
stuff that would make it easier

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10722-0
01:13:53.523 --> 01:13:53.913
Yep.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10729-2
01:13:55.443 --> 01:13:56.883
and more feasible to report.

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01:13:57.573 --> 01:14:01.820
Six months, monthly. Something
like that. Like, but it's not

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10749-0
01:14:00.703 --> 01:14:02.683
OK, as opposed to having a.

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01:14:01.820 --> 01:14:04.863
everyone that's in everyone's
details, OK?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10786-0
01:14:06.473 --> 01:14:09.753
Yeah, it's. I think it's in
everyone's interest to have

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10786-1
01:14:09.753 --> 01:14:13.090
smaller reporting cycles. You
know, like the money flows

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10786-2
01:14:13.090 --> 01:14:16.604
faster, there's more data,
there's less effort to build the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10786-3
01:14:16.604 --> 01:14:17.423
word planning.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10806-0
01:14:17.893 --> 01:14:20.574
Well, again, we got to keep
insight. The small

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10806-1
01:14:20.574 --> 01:14:23.653
municipalities are going to be
participating in this.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10815-0
01:14:29.963 --> 01:14:32.013
One size won't won't fit all.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10811-0
01:14:30.213 --> 01:14:30.863
Uh.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10826-0
01:14:39.943 --> 01:14:44.003
No more questions on commodity
funds. Commodity delivered, OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10830-0
01:14:45.223 --> 01:14:47.913
So oops, we'll move.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10832-0
01:14:48.433 --> 01:14:48.903
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10843-0
01:14:50.203 --> 01:14:53.613
We'll move on. We've got
municipal labor costs.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10857-0
01:14:54.843 --> 01:15:01.247
Next, and I guess the fancy
math. So my call it starts here

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10857-1
01:15:01.247 --> 01:15:01.673
and.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10873-0
01:15:02.873 --> 01:15:07.410
What we're looking at is in
order to get municipal labor

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10873-1
01:15:07.410 --> 01:15:08.683
costs, we would.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10887-0
01:15:09.453 --> 01:15:13.353
Take the percent time spent on a
specific packaging stream.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10916-0
01:15:14.403 --> 01:15:20.859
Which is I guess I should just
keep reading, so the M labor

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10916-1
01:15:20.859 --> 01:15:27.207
costs is the sum for each
municipal employee. So we'd get

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10916-2
01:15:27.207 --> 01:15:28.713
a product the.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10932-0
01:15:29.583 --> 01:15:33.919
Considering the total compensation
paid, the percent time spent on

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10932-1
01:15:33.919 --> 01:15:36.053
a specific packaging stream for.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10953-0
01:15:36.923 --> 01:15:40.739
Every employee there will be
options to aggregate like

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/10953-1
01:15:40.739 --> 01:15:43.513
employees and report them as as
groups.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11027-0
01:15:43.833 --> 01:15:47.974
Uh, where the percent is is the
same, but you get a sum of all

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11027-1
01:15:47.974 --> 01:15:51.326
those to get your municipal
labor cost. So you're

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11027-2
01:15:51.326 --> 01:15:55.204
multiplying the percent time
spent on a specific packaging

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11027-3
01:15:55.204 --> 01:15:59.477
stream by the total compensation
for each employee at all. Those

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11027-4
01:15:59.477 --> 01:16:03.749
together, you get your municipal
labor cost. So the percent time

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11027-5
01:16:03.749 --> 01:16:07.824
spent on a specific packaging
stream. Yep, it's an input, but

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11027-6
01:16:07.824 --> 01:16:12.031
it will be defined using audits
conducted by the SO and account

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11027-7
01:16:12.031 --> 01:16:12.293
for.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11057-0
01:16:13.493 --> 01:16:17.119
Seasonal variation. The percent
time spent on a specific

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11057-1
01:16:17.119 --> 01:16:21.063
packaging stream may include
education, administrative tasks,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11057-2
01:16:21.063 --> 01:16:25.071
collecting, sorting, bailing,
transporting, and we added there

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11057-3
01:16:25.071 --> 01:16:25.643
etcetera.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11067-0
01:16:26.323 --> 01:16:29.613
Uh, that is specific to a
packaging stream.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11098-0
01:16:30.913 --> 01:16:34.566
As for the total competition
paid, a municipality would

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11098-1
01:16:34.566 --> 01:16:38.284
report this to each employee or
a group of employees and

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11098-2
01:16:38.284 --> 01:16:41.936
employees that are used
interchangeably can be reported

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11098-3
01:16:41.936 --> 01:16:42.523
together.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11107-0
01:16:49.313 --> 01:16:51.683
As for equipment costs, it's the
next.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11111-0
01:16:52.813 --> 01:16:53.713
Oh yeah, sorry.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11118-0
01:16:54.873 --> 01:16:57.153
Specific packaging stream.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11127-0
01:16:58.863 --> 01:17:00.823
How many of those are the
they're going to be?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11139-0
01:17:01.993 --> 01:17:05.163
How's specific? So it depends on
the municipality. If you're a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11139-1
01:17:05.163 --> 01:17:06.543
single stream municipality.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11151-0
01:17:07.723 --> 01:17:11.463
You don't have any if you if you
collect single stream this is.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11166-0
01:17:12.683 --> 01:17:15.898
Irrelevant because you don't
have any time that's specific to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11166-1
01:17:15.898 --> 01:17:16.883
a single commodity.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11175-0
01:17:18.223 --> 01:17:21.373
Umm. If you are a source
separated.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11179-0
01:17:22.833 --> 01:17:24.303
Facility then.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11187-0
01:17:25.213 --> 01:17:27.673
The time that your guy is there
bailing cardboard.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11194-0
01:17:28.403 --> 01:17:31.353
That's a commodity specific.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11208-0
01:17:32.773 --> 01:17:36.293
Percent of labor and the SO
would be doing the audits to.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11228-0
01:17:37.793 --> 01:17:41.250
help you find that number
and you and the municipality

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11228-1
01:17:41.250 --> 01:17:44.027
would be reporting the
compensation paid for its

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11228-2
01:17:44.027 --> 01:17:44.593
employees.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11242-0
01:17:46.223 --> 01:17:48.858
That makes sense. Just like
thinking about what the fees are

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11242-1
01:17:48.858 --> 01:17:51.233
gonna get paid. And I think
those are pretty specific.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11244-0
01:17:52.983 --> 01:17:53.283
Thing.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11247-0
01:17:55.473 --> 01:17:55.903
And regular.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11269-0
01:17:57.203 --> 01:18:00.030
So like for single stream
bringing that there would be an

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11269-1
01:18:00.030 --> 01:18:02.955
audit then say how much of that
single stream will take the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11269-2
01:18:02.955 --> 01:18:03.783
package and just.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11282-0
01:18:04.453 --> 01:18:11.103
By that to that post. So when we
get down to when we get down to.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11286-0
01:18:11.823 --> 01:18:13.253
The nonspecific.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11297-0
01:18:13.853 --> 01:18:17.663
Uh, commodity costs and the
shared hauling cost, those are.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11302-0
01:18:18.083 --> 01:18:20.193
relevant to single streams

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11316-0
01:18:22.033 --> 01:18:24.479
So this one this, this in
particular would not be relevant

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11316-1
01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:25.183
to single stream.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11320-0
01:18:28.723 --> 01:18:30.113
Tony's got another question.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11327-0
01:18:46.313 --> 01:18:47.403
Tony, can you hear us?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11333-0
01:18:53.893 --> 01:18:54.893
You are mute Tony.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11344-0
01:19:02.663 --> 01:19:05.630
Maybe he didn't have a maybe it
was just like I just thought,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11344-1
01:19:05.630 --> 01:19:05.773
OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11349-0
01:19:06.673 --> 01:19:07.943
Move on, OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11360-0
01:19:07.683 --> 01:19:11.353
OK, see, you didn't allow me to
open my mic.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11364-0
01:19:10.593 --> 01:19:12.233
Uh, where he is. There he
is.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11365-0
01:19:12.133 --> 01:19:12.783
OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11373-0
01:19:15.403 --> 01:19:18.953
Throughout, can you make a note
when you rewrite this?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11383-0
01:19:20.843 --> 01:19:24.333
Can you make a notation like is
in?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11401-0
01:19:25.533 --> 01:19:29.406
Under the percent time spent on
specific packages, stream

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11401-1
01:19:29.406 --> 01:19:32.343
wherever the SO's required to
do the work.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11411-0
01:19:34.353 --> 01:19:37.548
Or or is is to work with the
municipalities to see what I

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11411-1
01:19:37.548 --> 01:19:37.823
mean.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11447-0
01:19:39.793 --> 01:19:44.502
We tried to. We tried to do that
so in on this on this example,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11425-0
01:19:41.493 --> 01:19:42.623
OK, OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11447-1
01:19:44.502 --> 01:19:48.843
the time spent on a
specific packaging stream that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11438-0
01:19:46.403 --> 01:19:46.753
Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11447-2
01:19:48.843 --> 01:19:51.123
is gonna be defined by the SO.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11453-0
01:19:51.233 --> 01:19:52.343
Yeah, I see that, yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11463-0
01:19:52.063 --> 01:19:55.731
And then the municipality is
gonna report total compensation

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11463-1
01:19:55.731 --> 01:19:56.813
for each employee.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11468-0
01:19:59.653 --> 01:20:00.183
OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11506-0
01:19:59.683 --> 01:20:03.619
So on this particular labor
inputs, those are the two, those

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11506-1
01:20:03.619 --> 01:20:07.233
are the two inputs are the
percent time spent, which is

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11488-0
01:20:06.023 --> 01:20:06.413
Mm-hmm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11506-2
01:20:07.233 --> 01:20:11.298
gonna be an SO responsibility
and then the compensation paid

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11506-3
01:20:11.298 --> 01:20:13.233
is a municipal responsibility.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11524-0
01:20:13.793 --> 01:20:17.286
OK, just a SEC. I'm just
scanning through and I do

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11524-1
01:20:17.286 --> 01:20:21.032
stand corrected. The pages are
numbered when you print the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11524-2
01:20:21.032 --> 01:20:21.603
document.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11531-0
01:20:24.763 --> 01:20:25.413
So that's good.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11535-0
01:20:24.813 --> 01:20:26.243
They weren't in our first draft.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11558-0
01:20:26.883 --> 01:20:32.400
OK, OK. OK. Gotcha. OK, thank
you. Now I I see the references

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11545-0
01:20:27.623 --> 01:20:29.353
But when we got there,
eventually.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11558-1
01:20:32.400 --> 01:20:34.713
got you. Thanks very much.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11571-0
01:20:35.253 --> 01:20:37.500
Yeah, we tried to do that
throughout. If you see a place

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11571-1
01:20:37.500 --> 01:20:38.643
where we didn't, please just.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11578-0
01:20:38.563 --> 01:20:40.953
OK, OK. Yep.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11574-0
01:20:39.573 --> 01:20:39.973
Holler.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11577-0
01:20:40.693 --> 01:20:40.973
That.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11589-0
01:20:42.103 --> 01:20:44.813
Chat popped up from Lynne Palmer.
I'm gonna read that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11609-0
01:20:45.023 --> 01:20:49.537
OK, that level of granular
reporting for specific packaging

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11609-1
01:20:49.537 --> 01:20:53.673
streams might drive a
municipality to go to single stream.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11613-0
01:21:06.073 --> 01:21:06.503
Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11630-0
01:21:07.663 --> 01:21:11.199
Yeah, I guess, I guess that's a
potential. Yeah, I

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11630-1
01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:13.053
mean, I guess what would prefer?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11641-0
01:21:14.623 --> 01:21:17.803
Municipalities and they think
that's the issue. Yeah, yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11659-0
01:21:19.583 --> 01:21:22.509
Yeah, I think that also gets
back to just general, how simple

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11659-1
01:21:22.509 --> 01:21:25.482
can this also keep would get it
this simple as possible. Yeah,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11659-2
01:21:25.482 --> 01:21:25.953
you wanna.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11668-0
01:21:30.113 --> 01:21:32.033
You know, and keep going,
Jessica, yes.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11678-0
01:21:34.953 --> 01:21:38.893
OK. So we're down to municipal
equipment cost.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11680-0
01:21:39.743 --> 01:21:40.283
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11695-0
01:21:42.543 --> 01:21:48.286
Here it's it's the sum for each
piece of municipal equipment

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11695-1
01:21:48.286 --> 01:21:49.603
used and that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11728-0
01:21:50.293 --> 01:21:55.982
We'll add up the percent use on
a specific packaging stream

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11728-1
01:21:55.982 --> 01:22:01.955
multiplied by the sub of those
inputs. There. Maintenance cost

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11728-2
01:22:01.955 --> 01:22:07.833
depreciation, debt, interest
paid and lease where applicable.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11773-0
01:22:08.533 --> 01:22:13.791
And so for off road equipment
such as bailers forklifts, skid

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11773-1
01:22:13.791 --> 01:22:18.624
steers, compactors, etcetera,
the SO will use audits to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/11773-2
01:22:18.624 --> 01:22:23.627
define the percent use on a
specific packaging stream. Now

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01:22:23.627 --> 01:22:27.952
the cost associated with time
equipment is used to

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01:22:27.952 --> 01:22:31.513
simultaneously process packaging
streams.

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01:22:32.343 --> 01:22:35.183
That result in multiple
commodities. It will be

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01:22:35.183 --> 01:22:38.968
allocated using the non specific
cost per ton equation which is

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01:22:38.968 --> 01:22:42.753
on page 5. So just to address
your question Sarah, so if you

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01:22:42.753 --> 01:22:45.829
have a compactor or some
municipality collects single

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01:22:45.829 --> 01:22:49.200
stream in a compactor, so if you
have a compactor that's

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01:22:49.200 --> 01:22:52.868
collecting single stream that's
not that cost doesn't go here

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01:22:52.868 --> 01:22:55.233
that cost is gonna be dealt with
later.

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01:23:00.073 --> 01:23:05.054
But if you have a baler that's
used for cardboard and mixed

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01:23:05.054 --> 01:23:05.543
paper.

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01:23:06.533 --> 01:23:10.680
Then it it's we're trying to
define how much of that time the

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01:23:10.680 --> 01:23:12.953
baler is used for each of
those.

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01:23:13.903 --> 01:23:14.933
2 streams.

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01:23:18.143 --> 01:23:18.763
And then.

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01:23:19.533 --> 01:23:23.713
For on road vehicles, we have
the the same.

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01:23:24.373 --> 01:23:29.833
Umm, percent use on a specific
packaging stream in this case.

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01:23:30.463 --> 01:23:34.293
It's going to be the sum for all
municipal transportation routes

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01:23:34.293 --> 01:23:35.883
for a given packing stream.

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01:23:36.843 --> 01:23:41.673
And we'll get those values by
multiplying the miles traveled.

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01:23:42.903 --> 01:23:47.927
Per route by the number of
trips on the route divided by

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01:23:47.927 --> 01:23:53.384
the total vehicle miles traveled
in whatever cycle period were

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01:23:53.384 --> 01:23:58.062
this. That's an annual total
there. Yep. So the SO is

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01:23:58.062 --> 01:24:03.346
responsible for documenting
Miles traveled per route through

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01:24:03.346 --> 01:24:07.936
consultation with the
municipality. The municipality

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01:24:07.936 --> 01:24:13.133
reports number of trips on a
route and total vehicle miles.

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01:24:13.183 --> 01:24:16.402
Traveled now if multiple
packaging streams are

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01:24:16.402 --> 01:24:20.442
transported together, the cost
needs to be allocated using

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01:24:20.442 --> 01:24:23.043
shared hauling cost per ton
equation.

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01:24:24.163 --> 01:24:26.883
Which is further further along.

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01:24:32.033 --> 01:24:35.323
Just continuing on with these
these inputs for.

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01:24:36.073 --> 01:24:39.584
Equipment costs here we have
maintenance costs, which is

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01:24:39.584 --> 01:24:43.525
reported by the municipality as
well and it is the amount spent

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01:24:43.525 --> 01:24:44.633
in parts.

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01:24:45.403 --> 01:24:49.546
Our labor and supplies to
service or operate a piece of

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01:24:49.546 --> 01:24:54.207
equipment, so maintenance costs
includes supplies such as bail

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01:24:54.207 --> 01:24:58.350
wire and personal protective
equipment required for the

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01:24:58.350 --> 01:25:02.345
operation of a piece of
equipment. If municipal staff

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12128-4
01:25:02.345 --> 01:25:07.080
performs maintenance, it should
be figured as follows, where we

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01:25:07.080 --> 01:25:11.888
have the hours spent maintaining
a piece of equipment divided by

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01:25:11.888 --> 01:25:15.513
the total annual hours worked by
that municipal.

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01:25:15.613 --> 01:25:16.083
Staff.

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01:25:17.383 --> 01:25:21.733
Number and then we multiply that
by the total compensation paid.

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01:25:22.803 --> 01:25:24.363
So that's just the maintenance
cost.

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01:25:25.043 --> 01:25:28.860
We have questions on that one.
Yeah. Any questions on that one?

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01:25:28.860 --> 01:25:32.200
OK. It continues on with
depreciation. Ohh, we got one.

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01:25:32.200 --> 01:25:33.333
One. Yeah. Hold on.

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01:25:36.203 --> 01:25:40.853
For the compensation for the
municipal employee that.

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01:25:41.803 --> 01:25:42.753
Includes.

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01:25:44.093 --> 01:25:45.313
Overhead for the person.

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01:25:47.273 --> 01:25:48.643
Like health insurance, you mean?

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01:25:47.673 --> 01:25:50.964
Like health insurance? Yeah,
insurance time off, things like

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01:25:50.964 --> 01:25:51.233
that.

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01:25:51.663 --> 01:25:52.073
Yes.

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01:25:52.383 --> 01:25:54.993
It's a whole package per person.
OK, thank you.

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01:26:07.093 --> 01:26:09.153
OK, so for depreciation?

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01:26:10.033 --> 01:26:13.997
For each piece of equipment, it
will be determined in

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01:26:13.997 --> 01:26:18.254
consultation with the SO. The
SO will document both the

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01:26:18.254 --> 01:26:22.657
annual depreciation, which is
the price paid divided by the

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01:26:22.657 --> 01:26:27.281
expected lifespan and the year
depreciation ends, which is the

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01:26:27.281 --> 01:26:30.363
purchase year plus the expected
lifespan.

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01:26:31.263 --> 01:26:34.885
The municipality must report
Price paid, paid and expected

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01:26:34.885 --> 01:26:37.893
lifespan. For a piece of
equipment at the time of

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01:26:37.893 --> 01:26:41.023
purchase or at the onset of
program participation.

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01:26:44.283 --> 01:26:47.878
Toward inputs to get to the
municipal equipment cost, and

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01:26:47.878 --> 01:26:51.721
that's debt interest paid, which
is the interest paid on debt

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01:26:51.721 --> 01:26:55.316
incurred to buy a piece of
equipment. This is reported by

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01:26:55.316 --> 01:26:59.035
the municipality and then the
lease. The lease is the price

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01:26:59.035 --> 01:27:02.816
paid to borrow or lease a piece
of equipment and this too is

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01:27:02.816 --> 01:27:04.613
reported by the municipality.

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01:27:05.673 --> 01:27:09.321
We'll take a moment here. Andy
has a question. Yes, yes, that

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01:27:09.321 --> 01:27:12.321
in the least, those are
decisions that are made by

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01:27:12.321 --> 01:27:16.027
municipalities in the SO
got no control over may or may

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01:27:16.027 --> 01:27:17.203
not be an efficient.

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01:27:18.183 --> 01:27:19.583
It needs a.

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01:27:20.753 --> 01:27:24.362
During that equipment, etcetera,
there's also section 11 with

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01:27:24.362 --> 01:27:28.029
two, which is the infrastructure
account that we talked about,

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01:27:28.029 --> 01:27:28.203
so.

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01:27:29.593 --> 01:27:32.522
One, there's there's obviously
no mention in the statute that

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01:27:32.522 --> 01:27:35.403
that the municipal reimbursement
rate is going to cover debt.

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01:27:36.253 --> 01:27:39.422
And these payments and those
types of things speaks to

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01:27:39.422 --> 01:27:40.343
management, but.

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01:27:41.743 --> 01:27:45.361
They're the absolute minimum
needs to be announcement that if

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01:27:45.361 --> 01:27:48.979
if the infrastructures paid for
under section 11 by the SO,

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01:27:48.979 --> 01:27:52.013
that shouldn't be included in
reimbursement funding.

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01:27:53.563 --> 01:27:56.391
So we knew we knew this was
gonna come up, obviously because

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01:27:56.391 --> 01:27:57.503
you mentioned it before.

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01:27:58.663 --> 01:27:59.973
And this is where we got.

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01:28:00.953 --> 01:28:03.663
OK. So I mean it's probably gets
grants for a biller.

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01:28:04.953 --> 01:28:10.043
And uh, so say we put a zero in
for that depreciation.

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01:28:11.663 --> 01:28:12.493
On that cost.

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01:28:14.203 --> 01:28:17.383
The immediate impact is that
you've got.

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01:28:19.893 --> 01:28:22.843
Municipalities who has.

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01:28:23.853 --> 01:28:26.573
not had grants for some
of its equipment.

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01:28:27.713 --> 01:28:31.124
Cost being compared to a
municipality that has. So

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01:28:31.124 --> 01:28:34.786
you've got so, so you've got
municipal costs that include

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01:28:34.786 --> 01:28:38.639
capital expense being compared
to municipal costs that don't

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12609-3
01:28:38.639 --> 01:28:42.617
include capital expense, which
is a little bit problematic. If

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01:28:42.617 --> 01:28:45.775
you think about the fact that
well over time more

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01:28:45.775 --> 01:28:49.501
municipalities, let's say all
let's say that which I can't

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01:28:49.501 --> 01:28:53.163
imagine this happening. But
let's say that all municipal.

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01:28:55.323 --> 01:28:58.883
Needs for equipment are covered
by that.

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01:28:59.533 --> 01:28:59.953
That.

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01:29:01.803 --> 01:29:05.428
That account that that granting
process, if you got to that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12644-1
01:29:05.428 --> 01:29:09.113
situation and you were putting
zeros in in the depreciation?

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01:29:09.943 --> 01:29:14.161
That whole time? Then your cost
per ton that is coming in right

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12682-1
01:29:14.161 --> 01:29:17.917
from the producers isn't
covering that capital cost. And

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01:29:17.917 --> 01:29:22.069
so we'll go down over time and
then you'd get to a point right

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01:29:22.069 --> 01:29:24.573
where the municipalities now
need to.

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01:29:26.113 --> 01:29:26.733
But I knew.

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01:29:27.753 --> 01:29:30.243
Failures by new trucks and by
new everything else.

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01:29:31.543 --> 01:29:32.423
At which point?

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01:29:34.603 --> 01:29:38.063
There wouldn't be funding for it
in that.

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01:29:39.683 --> 01:29:42.397
Fund there wouldn't be slack in
the fund for that anymore,

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01:29:42.397 --> 01:29:45.110
because you've taken that
capital cost, you're not paying

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01:29:45.110 --> 01:29:46.373
in on capital cost anymore.

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01:29:47.233 --> 01:29:51.805
And so the municipality would
buy, say, their own thing and

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01:29:51.805 --> 01:29:52.643
they would.

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01:29:54.133 --> 01:29:57.215
Probably have to pay interest on
it. They probably have to take

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01:29:57.215 --> 01:30:00.201
out, you know, municipal bonds
to do that. I think that's how

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12789-2
01:30:00.201 --> 01:30:03.186
usually have. It's not always
how it happens, but it might be

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01:30:03.186 --> 01:30:05.979
how it happens. And so then
their costs per time would go

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01:30:05.979 --> 01:30:06.123
up.

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01:30:07.163 --> 01:30:10.593
And then you know, over time,
all those costs were tons would

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01:30:10.593 --> 01:30:14.134
go up. And so then the price per
ton paid by producers would go

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01:30:14.134 --> 01:30:16.623
back up. And so you'd sort of
end up just I.

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01:30:17.693 --> 01:30:21.045
And I'm so bad at explaining
things, but but you'd be ended

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01:30:21.045 --> 01:30:23.243
up in this cycle, right? Where
like as?

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01:30:23.323 --> 01:30:26.493
Umm, if you're you're at a
point.

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01:30:28.413 --> 01:30:29.043
Where?

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01:30:29.863 --> 01:30:31.153
The municipalities.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12869-0
01:30:32.683 --> 01:30:36.057
Have had their their stuff paid
for and depreciation is not in

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12869-1
01:30:36.057 --> 01:30:37.503
that cost across the board.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12913-0
01:30:39.753 --> 01:30:42.986
And then you're going to have a
point where that depreciation

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12913-1
01:30:42.986 --> 01:30:46.166
hasn't been in that cost in
their municipalities have bought

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12913-2
01:30:46.166 --> 01:30:49.295
things, and now that cost the
depreciation is in that cost.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12913-3
01:30:49.295 --> 01:30:52.684
And so the cost goes up. And so
you're gonna have producer costs

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12913-4
01:30:52.684 --> 01:30:55.603
that are going cyclically with
this like funding cycle.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12917-0
01:30:57.043 --> 01:30:58.293
As opposed to.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12944-0
01:31:00.773 --> 01:31:04.069
Having the depreciation in there
to begin with and then the other

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12944-1
01:31:04.069 --> 01:31:07.315
thing you don't know is how it's
gonna affect the municipalities

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12944-2
01:31:07.315 --> 01:31:08.163
in terms of like.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12946-0
01:31:08.993 --> 01:31:09.713
When?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12958-0
01:31:12.403 --> 01:31:15.007
When they're getting, when
they're getting the grant, so

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12958-1
01:31:15.007 --> 01:31:15.783
you're comparing.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12961-0
01:31:16.563 --> 01:31:17.903
Not really like cost.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12980-0
01:31:18.623 --> 01:31:23.059
And so it seemed like it made
more sense to just keep that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12980-1
01:31:23.059 --> 01:31:24.713
capital cost in there.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12982-0
01:31:25.443 --> 01:31:25.993
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12984-0
01:31:27.863 --> 01:31:28.633
So that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/12989-0
01:31:30.333 --> 01:31:32.263
You don't have that fluctuation.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13024-0
01:31:34.493 --> 01:31:38.219
And so then what? What, what are
we gonna invest it in under

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13024-1
01:31:38.219 --> 01:31:41.822
weather is if it's a steady of
what I'm hearing is that it

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13024-2
01:31:41.822 --> 01:31:45.303
becomes a you put it into the
municipal rate steady the.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13046-0
01:31:46.493 --> 01:31:50.637
cost out the new year, right?
That's the rational such right.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13046-1
01:31:50.637 --> 01:31:54.713
So the depreciation is included
in the municipal cost, yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13070-0
01:31:55.513 --> 01:31:59.033
So that's the full cost it's I
mean the full cost of recycling

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13070-1
01:31:59.033 --> 01:32:02.330
obviously includes capital cost
and so that would have the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13070-2
01:32:02.330 --> 01:32:05.123
producer paying in that that
that that full cost.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13079-0
01:32:06.393 --> 01:32:09.133
And which would keep it from
going like this.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13081-0
01:32:10.033 --> 01:32:10.383
And then.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13089-0
01:32:11.363 --> 01:32:13.853
How do we account for the
infrastructure investments?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13095-0
01:32:14.593 --> 01:32:15.923
Like, that's a separate account.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13111-0
01:32:16.813 --> 01:32:19.855
And it's going to draw down the
actual cost of them supplies for

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13111-1
01:32:19.855 --> 01:32:20.743
their construction.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13122-0
01:32:25.663 --> 01:32:28.033
Oh, I see what you're saying.
It's it's a granted.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13129-0
01:32:28.823 --> 01:32:30.883
Amount of money, right? Like
there's no.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13151-0
01:32:31.903 --> 01:32:35.529
It's eventually to you didn't go
back to the statue, but you

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13151-1
01:32:35.529 --> 01:32:39.215
know, to your grants or direct
payments to municipalities for

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13151-2
01:32:39.215 --> 01:32:40.403
that infrastructure.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13161-0
01:32:41.113 --> 01:32:44.269
And they're going to own that
infrastructure. Uh-huh. So they

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13161-1
01:32:44.269 --> 01:32:44.523
will.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13169-0
01:32:45.913 --> 01:32:48.493
How? How is that going to be
account imported produce that?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13206-0
01:32:50.223 --> 01:32:54.033
Rate because it's on average
across all the municipalities.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13206-1
01:32:54.033 --> 01:32:57.906
So municipality might might have
gotten a grant for $1,000,000

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13206-2
01:32:57.906 --> 01:33:02.033
for Baler, another one didn't,
right. And the one that got them

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13206-3
01:33:02.033 --> 01:33:03.683
free baler from the SO.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13226-0
01:33:05.083 --> 01:33:07.758
Still getting paid for it
getting overpaid. It's still

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13226-1
01:33:07.758 --> 01:33:10.822
getting getting overpaid. Well,
it's not that mean it's always

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13226-2
01:33:10.822 --> 01:33:11.843
gonna be at a median.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13245-0
01:33:12.913 --> 01:33:16.513
Yeah, but let's say let's say
that at me, you know, for the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13245-1
01:33:16.513 --> 01:33:18.373
cost of everything else, right?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13257-0
01:33:19.033 --> 01:33:22.043
Shouldn't have to pay for balers
they got.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13259-0
01:33:23.583 --> 01:33:23.913
3.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13265-0
01:33:24.813 --> 01:33:26.783
And what if the?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13305-0
01:33:28.183 --> 01:33:32.889
I think I I seen from in that
it's skewing the cause but we we

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13305-1
01:33:32.889 --> 01:33:37.743
need to account for the cost of
operating the machinery in order

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13305-2
01:33:37.743 --> 01:33:42.150
to come up with the the per time
cost for the the previous

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13305-3
01:33:42.150 --> 01:33:44.913
payments. However the
reimbursement.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13310-0
01:33:45.693 --> 01:33:47.653
Maybe doesn't mean to include
that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13355-0
01:33:48.653 --> 01:33:52.162
Is is maybe maybe your point
then then yeah. That's why I've.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13355-1
01:33:52.162 --> 01:33:55.670
I've not said that's something
for free. It's cost. You know,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13355-2
01:33:55.670 --> 01:33:59.065
those types of right? Just the
depreciation. You're talking

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13355-3
01:33:59.065 --> 01:34:02.686
about the depreciation just the
depreciation. Yeah, but I guess

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13355-4
01:34:02.686 --> 01:34:04.723
we're like this might comes in
way.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13361-0
01:34:05.623 --> 01:34:08.063
Statistics here, but.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13369-0
01:34:10.783 --> 01:34:14.723
The municipality is reporting
there are tons.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13375-0
01:34:15.603 --> 01:34:17.243
Right. And then they get
average.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13387-0
01:34:18.073 --> 01:34:21.648
Reimbursement for all these
factors and if they've got, if

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13387-1
01:34:21.648 --> 01:34:23.283
that municipality has zero.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13395-0
01:34:24.053 --> 01:34:26.143
All these it doesn't show up.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13397-0
01:34:27.523 --> 01:34:27.833
Right.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13411-0
01:34:28.723 --> 01:34:31.665
And then that right, they're
still getting reported. So I

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13411-1
01:34:31.665 --> 01:34:33.483
understand, right. And I may
not.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13415-0
01:34:34.863 --> 01:34:35.913
They're getting.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13435-0
01:34:37.853 --> 01:34:40.046
Yeah, they're getting. They get,
they get, they gotta get their

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13435-1
01:34:40.046 --> 01:34:42.034
median. And that's very clear in
the statute. They get the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13435-2
01:34:42.034 --> 01:34:42.273
median.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13438-0
01:34:43.543 --> 01:34:44.503
And so.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13445-0
01:34:45.863 --> 01:34:48.403
The question is, when you're
calculating their cost.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13464-0
01:34:49.713 --> 01:34:53.991
Do you have zeros in there for
depreciation for anything that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13464-1
01:34:53.991 --> 01:34:56.543
they were granted? I believe
that's.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13472-0
01:34:57.243 --> 01:34:59.293
That's the point that we're
we're on.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13479-0
01:35:00.783 --> 01:35:03.163
You know that those other pieces
are.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13486-0
01:35:03.573 --> 01:35:07.263
Umm, right. Operation costs as
as.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13501-0
01:35:08.703 --> 01:35:11.380
Neal pointed out it's the
depreciation, which is where

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13501-1
01:35:11.380 --> 01:35:12.693
that capital cost comes in.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13503-0
01:35:13.743 --> 01:35:14.363
And.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13514-0
01:35:15.413 --> 01:35:18.713
You're saying it's OK. It's
gonna happen before.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13517-0
01:35:19.573 --> 01:35:20.483
More than.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13531-0
01:35:22.373 --> 01:35:26.683
Here's the tons. OK, the guys
didn't get reimbursement.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13533-0
01:35:27.933 --> 01:35:28.463
Or.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13544-0
01:35:29.463 --> 01:35:33.433
Do they least depreciation they
have to report that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13549-0
01:35:34.173 --> 01:35:35.403
Right. They have to break it
out.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13571-0
01:35:36.903 --> 01:35:40.268
And the report to get that
reimbursement portion, they

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13571-1
01:35:40.268 --> 01:35:44.112
would be reporting, but the SO
would would basically track the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13571-2
01:35:44.112 --> 01:35:45.073
depreciation so.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13620-0
01:35:45.903 --> 01:35:48.722
When you buy it, when you buy a
baler, you say I spent. I

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13620-1
01:35:48.722 --> 01:35:51.540
don't. I hate putting out
numbers because I I know they're

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13620-2
01:35:51.540 --> 01:35:54.406
gonna be so bad. Anyone who
knows like what they're talking

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13620-3
01:35:54.406 --> 01:35:57.320
about, but say it's a say it's
100 grand. Yeah. Just to make

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13620-4
01:35:57.320 --> 01:35:57.893
things easy.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13627-0
01:35:59.363 --> 01:36:02.253
And you expect it to last 20
years?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13634-0
01:36:03.933 --> 01:36:06.943
Umm, so that's five grand a
year.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13640-0
01:36:09.023 --> 01:36:10.893
That's the depreciation cost.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13648-0
01:36:12.443 --> 01:36:14.763
And So what you're saying is if
they're granted.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13665-0
01:36:16.073 --> 01:36:19.725
That 100,000, this has to be
then that 5 grand a year is

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13665-1
01:36:19.725 --> 01:36:21.903
actually not a municipal
expense.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13667-0
01:36:26.013 --> 01:36:26.463
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13675-0
01:36:27.703 --> 01:36:30.603
So I think it might help just to
say if.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13685-0
01:36:33.453 --> 01:36:36.470
Maybe I don't know how to equate
this, but in terms of language

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13685-1
01:36:36.470 --> 01:36:37.553
that if you're granted.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13694-0
01:36:39.603 --> 01:36:43.685
These values, or if you're
granted infrastructure you can't

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13694-1
01:36:43.685 --> 01:36:44.093
claim.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13699-0
01:36:44.793 --> 01:36:46.983
Appreciation and other costs.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13719-0
01:36:48.193 --> 01:36:51.147
Yeah, like it's so hard it. This
is a really hard point. You

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13719-1
01:36:51.147 --> 01:36:53.083
brought up a really good point
because.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13721-0
01:36:54.003 --> 01:36:54.433
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13728-0
01:36:55.113 --> 01:36:57.383
I see what you're saying. I see
what you're saying.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13738-0
01:36:59.633 --> 01:37:02.153
And then when I look at how it
works.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13760-0
01:37:02.803 --> 01:37:07.195
Overtime, I think that the fund
then gets in stable if you and I

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13760-1
01:37:07.195 --> 01:37:11.113
it I guess it depends how it
works out because then like.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13769-0
01:37:11.783 --> 01:37:13.193
Well, it seems like what will
happen is the.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13789-0
01:37:13.863 --> 01:37:17.802
They'll be a shift in the fund
from what's in going out and

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13789-1
01:37:17.802 --> 01:37:21.408
infrastructure and what's going
out for the municipal

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13789-2
01:37:21.408 --> 01:37:23.143
reimbursements as we make.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13791-0
01:37:24.573 --> 01:37:25.183
You know.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13799-0
01:37:25.993 --> 01:37:28.803
As you make the payments from
the Infrastructure fund.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13809-0
01:37:29.793 --> 01:37:33.063
And the amount of money that
goes out over time, full slowly.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13813-0
01:37:34.983 --> 01:37:35.543
He wasn't.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13819-0
01:37:40.883 --> 01:37:41.773
I guess I'm not.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13853-0
01:37:43.413 --> 01:37:45.700
Then that's going to be
interplay between the I guess

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13853-1
01:37:45.700 --> 01:37:48.198
you're talking if you think
about the infrastructure fund,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13853-2
01:37:48.198 --> 01:37:50.823
then the other fund being two
separate funds and there's just

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13853-3
01:37:50.823 --> 01:37:52.643
gonna be interplay between how
those work.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13863-0
01:37:53.883 --> 01:37:55.953
You could put language in your
rule that says.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13891-0
01:37:57.023 --> 01:38:00.847
I mean the the SO will know
where they've invested in

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13891-1
01:38:00.847 --> 01:38:04.811
infrastructure, yes. So you
could almost just put verbal

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13891-2
01:38:04.811 --> 01:38:05.853
languages says.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13905-0
01:38:09.073 --> 01:38:12.115
Municipalities receiving
infrastructure investments under

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13905-1
01:38:12.115 --> 01:38:12.723
section 11.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13911-0
01:38:15.233 --> 01:38:18.463
But seek reimbursement for
initiation.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13914-0
01:38:19.163 --> 01:38:19.953
I know the best thing.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13923-0
01:38:21.553 --> 01:38:25.293
Those absence for their or their
reimbursement rate.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13931-0
01:38:25.963 --> 01:38:28.593
Values and must be zero that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13964-0
01:38:31.033 --> 01:38:34.853
They're reported costs, but that
they'd still didn't. You still

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13964-1
01:38:34.853 --> 01:38:38.792
didn't with the the median and so
and so basically what you end up

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13964-2
01:38:38.792 --> 01:38:42.553
doing is you're gonna have the
municipalities that have gotten

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13964-3
01:38:42.553 --> 01:38:44.283
and it may be a fairly small.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13973-0
01:38:45.643 --> 01:38:47.463
It made that may be a fairly
small.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13992-0
01:38:48.423 --> 01:38:51.444
Amount of relative amount of
money to what we're talking

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/13992-1
01:38:51.444 --> 01:38:54.093
about, in which case it it's
much less important.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14000-0
01:38:54.743 --> 01:38:57.895
So but, but you could
potentially have situations

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14000-1
01:38:57.895 --> 01:38:58.273
where.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14006-0
01:39:05.343 --> 01:39:07.333
If you discount the whole median.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14010-0
01:39:07.613 --> 01:39:09.123
But the structure but.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14030-0
01:39:11.683 --> 01:39:16.287
He mean like my particular
payment. Me town. Elena. Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14030-1
01:39:16.287 --> 01:39:20.493
Have my median payment. But I
was given a grant for.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14037-0
01:39:21.813 --> 01:39:24.563
My baler and so my.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14050-0
01:39:24.663 --> 01:39:28.959
Uh, my repayment gets five,
though that 5000 bucks gets

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14050-1
01:39:28.959 --> 01:39:30.953
taken out of my repayment.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14060-0
01:39:31.823 --> 01:39:34.013
You know, it would be more. It
was almost like a like a.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14080-0
01:39:34.803 --> 01:39:38.504
You know, I'm trying to think
about numbers here, my brains

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14080-1
01:39:38.504 --> 01:39:42.143
breaking, but So what? The
annual infrastructure budget is

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14080-2
01:39:42.143 --> 01:39:42.883
100 million.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14093-0
01:39:43.503 --> 01:39:48.133
200 bucks? No, no. Say $10
million like 27.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14102-0
01:39:49.923 --> 01:39:54.203
That value across see, but what
it does though, isn't.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14126-0
01:39:54.993 --> 01:39:57.984
This incentivizes anybody for
coming for the infrastructure.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14126-1
01:39:57.984 --> 01:40:01.072
It's it's a, it's a really tough
point. You're talking about a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14126-2
01:40:01.072 --> 01:40:02.003
really tough point.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14132-0
01:40:03.073 --> 01:40:04.163
Because you'd be like I.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14139-0
01:40:04.973 --> 01:40:06.803
You know, I'll take the median.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14152-0
01:40:07.923 --> 01:40:10.336
Because if I take the
infrastructure that well, no.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14152-1
01:40:10.336 --> 01:40:10.753
But then.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14163-0
01:40:14.603 --> 01:40:17.303
Maybe something we need to come
back to. It's it's a.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14191-0
01:40:20.343 --> 01:40:24.019
Can I can I see both? I see
problems with both ways of doing

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14191-1
01:40:24.019 --> 01:40:27.755
it, and unless there's another
way I sort of I think you were

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14191-2
01:40:27.755 --> 01:40:31.129
sort of suggesting, could you
take that total municipal

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14191-3
01:40:31.129 --> 01:40:32.213
reimbursement and?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14194-0
01:40:33.093 --> 01:40:33.943
Knock.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14203-0
01:40:35.923 --> 01:40:39.093
the depreciation for
whatever was granted.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14214-0
01:40:39.983 --> 01:40:43.171
Through the infrastructure at
but which would make it more of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14214-1
01:40:43.171 --> 01:40:43.273
a.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14229-0
01:40:44.913 --> 01:40:49.266
Sort of borrowing to repay back
system for that infrastructure

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14229-1
01:40:49.266 --> 01:40:51.753
fund as opposed to an actual
grant.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14304-0
01:40:55.313 --> 01:40:58.884
I'm gonna read the grant, and
then I'm gonna read the grant.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14304-1
01:40:58.884 --> 01:41:02.688
Sorry. I'm gonna read the chat,
and then we'll go to the town of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14304-2
01:41:02.688 --> 01:41:06.259
Brunswick. We should talk about
that further. Yeah, we could

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14304-3
01:41:06.259 --> 01:41:09.771
talk about that further. OK, so
Alex and many jurisdictions

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14304-4
01:41:09.771 --> 01:41:13.049
here, only the operations costs
and the cost of capital

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14304-5
01:41:13.049 --> 01:41:16.619
depreciation is captured in the
municipal funding.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14304-6
01:41:16.619 --> 01:41:20.423
Consumer, producer fees investment
capital does not accounted for.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14309-0
01:41:21.873 --> 01:41:24.563
Thank you. And now I'm gonna.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14319-0
01:41:25.483 --> 01:41:28.453
How many you would make the time
of Brunswick?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14322-0
01:41:28.533 --> 01:41:28.893
Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14324-0
01:41:30.873 --> 01:41:31.123
Right.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14331-0
01:41:33.683 --> 01:41:35.023
Hi there. Can you hear me?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14332-0
01:41:35.203 --> 01:41:35.693
Yes.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14354-0
01:41:36.033 --> 01:41:39.504
OK. So I'll just wanted to flag
that it's pretty. It's pretty

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14354-1
01:41:39.504 --> 01:41:43.086
easy to hear, Elena, but I was
struggling to hear the gentleman

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14354-2
01:41:43.086 --> 01:41:46.388
in that conversation a little
bit that voices are a little

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14354-3
01:41:46.388 --> 01:41:46.723
quiet.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14365-0
01:41:47.283 --> 01:41:51.426
Umm, so I just wanted to flag
that but and I also just wanted

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14365-1
01:41:51.426 --> 01:41:51.893
to say.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14411-0
01:41:52.833 --> 01:41:56.487
But I just sort of have a point
of clarification if you're

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14411-1
01:41:56.487 --> 01:42:00.265
talking about grants that the
stewardship organization would

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14411-2
01:42:00.265 --> 01:42:03.981
offer municipalities or if
you're talking about other types

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14411-3
01:42:03.981 --> 01:42:07.944
of grants that like the federal
government may offer, maybe EPA

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14411-4
01:42:07.944 --> 01:42:10.173
or something like that might
offer.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14435-0
01:42:10.773 --> 01:42:13.643
Umm so I don't know if there's a
difference there and if that's

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14435-1
01:42:13.643 --> 01:42:16.379
if you're talking about that.
And then I also just wanted to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14435-2
01:42:16.379 --> 01:42:17.903
say too that grants are not
free.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14500-0
01:42:19.483 --> 01:42:23.781
Municipalities pay for grants in
the form of a match, so they're

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14500-1
01:42:23.781 --> 01:42:28.078
usually at 20% or 50%, and most
often for things like equipment,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14500-2
01:42:28.078 --> 01:42:32.111
it's 50%. I've only really seen
20% matches for like Rd,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14500-3
01:42:32.111 --> 01:42:36.276
building projects and so I just
wanted to make sure that those

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14500-4
01:42:36.276 --> 01:42:40.375
depreciation numbers aren't zero
if the municipalities has to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14500-5
01:42:40.375 --> 01:42:44.540
have to contribute a match. So I
just wanted to throw that out

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14500-6
01:42:44.540 --> 01:42:45.663
there. Thank you.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14539-0
01:42:46.843 --> 01:42:49.836
Andy, we're both talking about
only grants through the SO,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14539-1
01:42:49.836 --> 01:42:52.828
right? Yeah, yeah. So we can
clarify on that one question.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14539-2
01:42:52.828 --> 01:42:55.668
Anyway, Chrissy, just we were
just talking about grants

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14539-3
01:42:55.668 --> 01:42:57.443
through the SO, not other
grants.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14538-0
01:42:56.783 --> 01:42:57.183
OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14542-0
01:42:58.163 --> 01:42:58.653
Thank you.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14545-0
01:43:00.763 --> 01:43:01.153
Thanks.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14549-0
01:43:12.053 --> 01:43:12.773
Yes, OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14562-0
01:43:13.553 --> 01:43:20.406
All right. So the next municipal
cost is the municipal structure

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14562-1
01:43:20.406 --> 01:43:20.933
cost.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14583-0
01:43:21.803 --> 01:43:26.096
Umm this one similar to the the
equipment cost here we're gonna

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14583-1
01:43:26.096 --> 01:43:29.113
get a sum for each municipal
structure used.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14606-0
01:43:30.243 --> 01:43:33.758
For the percent use on a
specific packaging stream

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14606-1
01:43:33.758 --> 01:43:37.686
multiplied by the sum of
maintenance cost, depreciation,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14606-2
01:43:37.686 --> 01:43:39.753
debt, interest paid and lease.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14641-0
01:43:40.483 --> 01:43:44.862
So we follow up by saying that
the audits conducted by the SO

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14641-1
01:43:44.862 --> 01:43:49.241
will define the percent you use
on a specific packaging stream

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14641-2
01:43:49.241 --> 01:43:53.481
for each municipal structure.
Examples of structures include

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14641-3
01:43:53.481 --> 01:43:57.234
containers, warehouses,
buildings, trailers, roll off

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14641-4
01:43:57.234 --> 01:43:58.693
containers, etcetera.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14673-0
01:43:59.443 --> 01:44:03.748
If a space in a structure is
used to process multiple

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14673-1
01:44:03.748 --> 01:44:08.849
packaging streams, the cost of
that space needs to be allocated

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14673-2
01:44:08.849 --> 01:44:13.233
using the nonspecific cost per
ton equation coming up.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14715-0
01:44:14.683 --> 01:44:18.956
So the maintenance cost is very
similar for saying let's not go

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14715-1
01:44:18.956 --> 01:44:23.095
through all well, it just has
one, just the first sentence is

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14715-2
01:44:23.095 --> 01:44:27.033
different. It's reported by the
municipality and it is the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14715-3
01:44:27.033 --> 01:44:30.772
amount spent parts, labor and
construction materials to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14715-4
01:44:30.772 --> 01:44:34.643
service a structure. So a little
different than supplies.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14720-0
01:44:35.323 --> 01:44:37.863
Referenced in equipment costs,
but.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14748-0
01:44:38.533 --> 01:44:42.328
Yep, if if municipal staff is
performing the maintenance same

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14748-1
01:44:42.328 --> 01:44:45.938
equation there hours spent
maintaining a structure divided

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14748-2
01:44:45.938 --> 01:44:49.182
by total annual hours worked
multiplied by the total

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14748-3
01:44:49.182 --> 01:44:50.283
compensation page.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14766-0
01:44:51.823 --> 01:44:57.422
Hey, depreciation costs nothing
else, is it same debt interest

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14766-1
01:44:57.422 --> 01:44:59.433
paid, same lease, same.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14768-0
01:45:00.383 --> 01:45:01.293
And.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14785-0
01:45:02.553 --> 01:45:05.911
That puts us at the municipal
energy cost. Any questions on

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14785-1
01:45:05.911 --> 01:45:08.373
that structure? Yeah, additional
questions.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14788-0
01:45:09.743 --> 01:45:10.043
Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14800-0
01:45:11.353 --> 01:45:16.203
So I'm make its cost. Yeah, you
can bring specific basically.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14802-0
01:45:18.873 --> 01:45:19.523
Morning, about.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14813-0
01:45:20.553 --> 01:45:23.663
Seems like all the costs
associated to the structure.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14821-0
01:45:24.443 --> 01:45:26.813
Are are part of what it takes to
keep the.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14824-0
01:45:28.653 --> 01:45:29.053
The.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14830-0
01:45:31.733 --> 01:45:32.463
Such as.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14859-0
01:45:33.213 --> 01:45:36.719
Well, like I was thinking like,
like lawn mowers like

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14859-1
01:45:36.719 --> 01:45:40.166
equipment. Also other things
that maybe are not don't fit

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14859-2
01:45:40.166 --> 01:45:42.483
into, it's not a party, not
labor but.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14864-0
01:45:44.143 --> 01:45:44.873
You still need it.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14881-0
01:45:48.053 --> 01:45:51.500
Like a like a like a lawn like
facility maintenance stuff like

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14881-1
01:45:51.500 --> 01:45:52.703
lawn mowers and stuff.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14891-0
01:45:53.523 --> 01:45:56.213
Yeah, just like all the
equipment that you have to.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14896-0
01:45:56.913 --> 01:45:58.443
Maintain the facility as a
whole.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14909-0
01:46:00.293 --> 01:46:03.378
Yeah, we kind of went back and
forth on that and we wondered if

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14909-1
01:46:03.378 --> 01:46:03.763
it were.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14923-0
01:46:05.133 --> 01:46:08.038
We went, we, we did discuss that
we went back and forth and we

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14923-1
01:46:08.038 --> 01:46:08.913
wondered if it was.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14952-0
01:46:10.243 --> 01:46:13.849
 just a tiny
cost that we weren't gonna

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14952-1
01:46:13.849 --> 01:46:17.700
bother to capture. But I don't
know if any of them, if there's

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14952-2
01:46:17.700 --> 01:46:20.083
any municipal people online that
have.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14958-0
01:46:21.513 --> 01:46:23.063
Any thoughts on that?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14964-0
01:46:24.303 --> 01:46:25.813
It it seems harder to.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14978-0
01:46:27.263 --> 01:46:30.574
Trying to break things down and
fit them into beats specific

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14978-1
01:46:30.574 --> 01:46:32.093
buckets than it does to say.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14981-0
01:46:33.223 --> 01:46:33.733
It's caused.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14987-0
01:46:34.903 --> 01:46:36.463
Maybe in a simple application?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/14990-0
01:46:37.613 --> 01:46:37.983
Whatever.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15003-0
01:46:39.253 --> 01:46:42.588
You need to break them down that
far in order to make sure that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15003-1
01:46:42.588 --> 01:46:43.213
it's a part.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15008-0
01:46:44.003 --> 01:46:44.703
Or labor.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15044-0
01:46:47.433 --> 01:46:50.897
Well, we were assuming that it'd
be easier to assign like that if

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15044-1
01:46:50.897 --> 01:46:54.045
you have maintenance on a. If
you have a build that say you

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15044-2
01:46:54.045 --> 01:46:57.246
have a storage building that
it's pretty that it's easier to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15044-3
01:46:57.246 --> 01:47:00.131
know what the maintenance
associated with that storage

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15044-4
01:47:00.131 --> 01:47:01.023
building is then.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15049-0
01:47:01.913 --> 01:47:03.433
It is to.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15070-0
01:47:07.113 --> 01:47:10.162
I guess the alternative is to
look at it potentially of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15070-1
01:47:10.162 --> 01:47:13.591
facility that you're suggesting
a facility wide level and then

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15070-2
01:47:13.591 --> 01:47:13.863
just?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15078-0
01:47:15.063 --> 01:47:17.313
Have it be a shared post, like
an overhead cost.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15088-0
01:47:18.863 --> 01:47:21.803
Which is a whole other section.
Nonspecific cost?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15090-0
01:47:22.543 --> 01:47:23.043
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15097-0
01:47:28.323 --> 01:47:30.233
In something to think about, OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15103-0
01:47:37.043 --> 01:47:38.463
Anyone else have any thoughts on
that?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15111-0
01:47:45.803 --> 01:47:47.503
Wait, Tony does hold on. Hey.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15129-0
01:47:54.903 --> 01:47:58.410
Yeah, some someone mentioned the
lawn mower. We have a, uh,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15129-1
01:47:58.410 --> 01:48:00.513
recycling center with a small
lawn.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15135-0
01:48:02.143 --> 01:48:05.203
And I can't imagine trying to.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15148-0
01:48:06.373 --> 01:48:10.069
And and that lawn mower and
Labor's not specific to that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15148-1
01:48:10.069 --> 01:48:10.393
site.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15150-0
01:48:11.833 --> 01:48:12.543
So.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15169-0
01:48:13.623 --> 01:48:16.978
Elana, I think of Jessica. You
mentioned trying not to capture

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15169-1
01:48:16.978 --> 01:48:20.333
that, that type of information.
That might be too minuscule.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15172-0
01:48:22.973 --> 01:48:23.333
Thank you.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15177-0
01:48:23.753 --> 01:48:24.373
They'll come and go.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15190-0
01:48:25.533 --> 01:48:28.403
Yeah. Yeah. And it's coming to
cut your lawn, he says.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15193-0
01:48:29.313 --> 01:48:30.123
What's that now?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15199-0
01:48:30.803 --> 01:48:32.453
And he says he's coming to cut
your lawn.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15202-0
01:48:32.843 --> 01:48:33.673
No problem.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15205-0
01:48:35.963 --> 01:48:36.893
I'll watch.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15210-0
01:48:38.843 --> 01:48:40.543
I'm retired now, don't forget.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15231-0
01:48:55.833 --> 01:48:58.968
Gotta keep getting OK. So all
questions

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15231-1
01:48:58.968 --> 01:49:00.563
asked.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15258-0
01:49:01.883 --> 01:49:06.054
Yeah, I think we're all saying
that. Yeah, alright. So we're

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15258-1
01:49:06.054 --> 01:49:10.362
gonna municipal energy costs.
This too is a sum for each piece

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15258-2
01:49:10.362 --> 01:49:13.233
of municipal equipment or
structure used.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15265-0
01:49:14.083 --> 01:49:16.683
I total metered energy.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15294-0
01:49:17.743 --> 01:49:21.227
Which is the amount of energy
provided on a given invoice

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15294-1
01:49:21.227 --> 01:49:24.771
meter or tank usage, supply,
equipment or structures. This

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15294-2
01:49:24.771 --> 01:49:27.113
input is reported by the
municipality.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15308-0
01:49:27.783 --> 01:49:32.614
And the percent metered energy
use which is defined using

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15308-1
01:49:32.614 --> 01:49:34.613
audits conducted by the SO.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15347-0
01:49:35.633 --> 01:49:39.657
And the percent used to a
specific packaging stream, which

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15347-1
01:49:39.657 --> 01:49:43.817
is the same input used for the
equipment and structure costs

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15347-2
01:49:43.817 --> 01:49:48.114
mentioned earlier and average
cost per unit of metered energy,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15347-3
01:49:48.114 --> 01:49:50.773
which is provided by the
municipality.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15355-0
01:49:54.053 --> 01:49:58.213
Any questions about municipal
energy costs?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15360-0
01:50:06.203 --> 01:50:07.473
Nope. OK, so.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15372-0
01:50:09.033 --> 01:50:13.559
We move on to municipal revenue
shared per ton commodity

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15372-1
01:50:13.559 --> 01:50:14.353
delivered.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15406-0
01:50:15.083 --> 01:50:18.786
Umm, this is the money that's
paid to an entity that provides

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15406-1
01:50:18.786 --> 01:50:22.071
the packaging stream to a
municipality, such as when a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15406-2
01:50:22.071 --> 01:50:25.773
municipality pays a hauler for
delivering a packaging stream.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15427-0
01:50:26.523 --> 01:50:30.155
And revenue shared per ton
commodity delivered also needs

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15427-1
01:50:30.155 --> 01:50:33.913
to be used in cases where one
municipality is contracting.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15463-0
01:50:34.603 --> 01:50:39.011
With another municipality to
avoid double counting of tons

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15463-1
01:50:39.011 --> 01:50:43.866
commodity delivered. So we have
a hypothetical for this one, not

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15463-2
01:50:43.866 --> 01:50:48.572
a hypothetical. This happens in
Maine, true. So we have a real

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15463-3
01:50:48.572 --> 01:50:49.543
example here.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15474-0
01:50:50.873 --> 01:50:55.363
A. For instance, uh, let's say
town delivery.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15524-0
01:50:56.063 --> 01:51:00.821
Provides a packaging stream to
town processor for further

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15524-1
01:51:00.821 --> 01:51:05.743
management. Any compensation
provided to town delivery from

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15524-2
01:51:05.743 --> 01:51:10.009
town processor is revenue
shared. We know here that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15524-3
01:51:10.009 --> 01:51:13.782
revenue shared could be a
negative value. The

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15524-4
01:51:13.782 --> 01:51:18.458
reimbursement for the tons
commodity delivered resulting

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15524-5
01:51:18.458 --> 01:51:23.298
from the shared packaging stream
would be assigned to town

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15524-6
01:51:23.298 --> 01:51:26.333
processor. However this
cooperation.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15541-0
01:51:26.413 --> 01:51:29.546
Allows town delivery to be a
participating municipality with

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15541-1
01:51:29.546 --> 01:51:32.473
regard to packaging material
managed through the stream.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15579-0
01:51:33.273 --> 01:51:37.018
So town delivery is providing
for the collection and recycling

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15579-1
01:51:37.018 --> 01:51:40.882
of this packaging stream, while
town processor is fulfilling the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15579-2
01:51:40.882 --> 01:51:44.627
reporting requirement. So and
revenue shared per ton commodity

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15579-3
01:51:44.627 --> 01:51:47.183
delivered is reported by the
municipality.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15603-0
01:51:54.273 --> 01:51:59.313
And I no questions in house. So
we'll move on to the next input

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15603-1
01:51:59.313 --> 01:52:03.723
which is municipal revenue per
ton commodity delivered.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15649-0
01:52:04.983 --> 01:52:08.612
This is the revenue received by
a municipality from the sale of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15649-1
01:52:08.612 --> 01:52:11.674
a commodity. It must be
subtracted from the commodity

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15649-2
01:52:11.674 --> 01:52:15.077
cost per ton unless it is not
returned directly, but rather

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15649-3
01:52:15.077 --> 01:52:18.082
used to offset a cost. The
revenue per ton commodity

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15649-4
01:52:18.082 --> 01:52:20.803
delivered will be reported by
the municipality.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15662-0
01:52:24.133 --> 01:52:28.714
Questions. Yes. Questions
because we just got through the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15662-1
01:52:28.714 --> 01:52:29.503
easy part.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15664-0
01:52:30.683 --> 01:52:31.363
No.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15684-0
01:52:35.333 --> 01:52:38.886
We don't have questions. We'll
move on to the the contracted

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15684-1
01:52:38.886 --> 01:52:42.148
commodity cost per time,
municipal contracted commodity

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15684-2
01:52:42.148 --> 01:52:42.963
cost per time.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15687-0
01:52:45.733 --> 01:52:46.743
Nothing house.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15700-0
01:52:48.283 --> 01:52:52.833
OK. So the cost of services
contracted by municipality?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15709-0
01:52:54.043 --> 01:52:56.453
Gonna need to be assigned to a
commodity.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15730-0
01:52:58.003 --> 01:53:02.583
The method for determining
municipal contracted commodity

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15730-1
01:53:02.583 --> 01:53:07.400
cost per ton will depend on the
contract. So the three black

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15730-2
01:53:07.400 --> 01:53:09.453
bullets following are the.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15791-0
01:53:10.503 --> 01:53:14.414
The three types of contracts
we've got, so first one when the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15791-1
01:53:14.414 --> 01:53:18.198
contract is for the management
of a single packaging stream

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15791-2
01:53:18.198 --> 01:53:21.604
resulting in the sale of a
single commodity, detailed

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15791-3
01:53:21.604 --> 01:53:24.946
accounting of costs won't be
required. The municipal

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15791-4
01:53:24.946 --> 01:53:28.730
contracted commodity cost per
ton is going to be equal to a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15791-5
01:53:28.730 --> 01:53:32.893
simple contracted municipal cost
divided by the tons of commodity

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15791-6
01:53:32.893 --> 01:53:33.523
delivered.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15802-0
01:53:34.393 --> 01:53:38.703
And we go further in a lot of
these defining those inputs.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15832-0
01:53:40.523 --> 01:53:44.611
Contracted Municipal cost is the
full contract amount paid by the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15832-1
01:53:44.611 --> 01:53:48.698
municipality and both that input
and tons commodity delivered are

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15832-2
01:53:48.698 --> 01:53:50.493
reported by the municipality.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15873-0
01:53:52.423 --> 01:53:56.465
The second type of contract is
not for the management of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15873-1
01:53:56.465 --> 01:54:00.861
packaging streams only, as is in
the case when a municipality

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15873-2
01:54:00.861 --> 01:54:05.399
contracts a private company to
operate a transfer station. Then

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15873-3
01:54:05.399 --> 01:54:08.873
the municipal contracted
commodity cost per ton.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15953-0
01:54:09.563 --> 01:54:13.720
Is as follows, so it looks
familiar. It's similar to the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15953-1
01:54:13.720 --> 01:54:18.315
commodity cost per ton from the
municipalities. You've got the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15953-2
01:54:18.315 --> 01:54:21.815
sum of Labor costs, the
contracted labor costs,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15953-3
01:54:21.815 --> 01:54:26.483
equipment cost structure, costs
and energy costs divided by the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15953-4
01:54:26.483 --> 01:54:31.004
tons commodity delivered. You
add some more inputs there. The

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15953-5
01:54:31.004 --> 01:54:35.599
revenue shared, shared hauling
cost, nonspecific cost per time

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15953-6
01:54:35.599 --> 01:54:40.193
and then subtract that revenue
per ton of commodity delivered.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15977-0
01:54:40.523 --> 01:54:44.307
Contractor inputs are determined
using the same method as the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15977-1
01:54:44.307 --> 01:54:48.090
municipal inputs. Contracted
entities will have the option to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15977-2
01:54:48.090 --> 01:54:50.653
report these inputs directly to
the SO.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15981-0
01:54:53.313 --> 01:54:54.343
Questions on that one.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15989-0
01:54:58.103 --> 01:55:00.993
Basically, you're figuring it
the same way that that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15997-0
01:55:02.413 --> 01:55:04.233
You are of the municipality is
doing it.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/15999-0
01:55:06.973 --> 01:55:07.413
A bit.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16006-0
01:55:08.373 --> 01:55:09.943
Contractor doesn't have two.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16013-0
01:55:11.653 --> 01:55:14.203
So basically the municipality,
right, the.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16036-0
01:55:18.353 --> 01:55:21.426
But if a municipality
wants to participate, then they

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16036-1
01:55:21.426 --> 01:55:23.903
need to contract with someone
who's gonna report.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16040-0
01:55:32.023 --> 01:55:33.083
To our collection of.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16048-0
01:55:33.823 --> 01:55:35.743
Thanks a lot on the current
bond.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16066-0
01:55:37.033 --> 01:55:40.649
I recontract with those to every
house in town either Wednesday

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16066-1
01:55:40.649 --> 01:55:41.383
and Thursday.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16074-0
01:55:42.253 --> 01:55:44.083
Is that trash and single sort?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16088-0
01:55:45.243 --> 01:55:48.345
Did take single sort of the
facility up until covered, then

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16088-1
01:55:48.345 --> 01:55:48.913
they start.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16104-0
01:55:49.623 --> 01:55:53.649
Handling that stuff and has been
no desire to start taking it

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16104-1
01:55:53.649 --> 01:55:54.233
again at.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16138-0
01:55:55.673 --> 01:55:59.393
It's all done at the curb. He
simply sends a truck around and

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16138-1
01:55:59.393 --> 01:56:02.995
picks up the single sort for
the week, brings it into after

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16138-2
01:56:02.995 --> 01:56:04.293
sorting, we weigh it.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16147-0
01:56:05.263 --> 01:56:07.193
Give him a ticket. He better.
OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16156-0
01:56:08.143 --> 01:56:10.413
transport to his facility for
sorting.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16161-0
01:56:11.623 --> 01:56:12.693
Sandy River and found.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16168-0
01:56:16.523 --> 01:56:17.803
At $85 a ton.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16173-0
01:56:18.163 --> 01:56:20.013
OK, it's gone. We're done.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16183-0
01:56:22.583 --> 01:56:26.103
Facility really isn't used to
handle recyclables at all.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16197-0
01:56:27.713 --> 01:56:30.700
The e-waste of money able to
brush and the to chipping other

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16197-1
01:56:30.700 --> 01:56:31.973
Not like it's done.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16215-0
01:56:33.073 --> 01:56:36.452
Of course. Did you ever studied
by shingles and all that other

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16215-1
01:56:36.452 --> 01:56:37.363
stuff themselves?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16254-0
01:56:39.193 --> 01:56:42.890
Our cost is the piece of the
curbside collection contract. We

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16254-1
01:56:42.890 --> 01:56:46.468
have to pick up recyclables,
along with solid waste and the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16254-2
01:56:46.468 --> 01:56:50.105
tipping fee for him to take it
away wouldn't be way after we

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16254-3
01:56:50.105 --> 01:56:50.403
wait.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16257-0
01:56:51.193 --> 01:56:52.083
Both of them.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16275-0
01:56:53.243 --> 01:56:58.049
Subject to being reimbursed in
this program. Yeah, so that the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16275-1
01:56:58.049 --> 01:57:01.023
collection cost is gonna be
under the.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16277-0
01:57:02.053 --> 01:57:02.503
So.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16311-0
01:57:04.253 --> 01:57:07.538
Are you saying that does he have
a two? Does he have a two bucket

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16311-1
01:57:07.538 --> 01:57:10.176
truck? Does he have a 2
compartment truck or does he

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16311-2
01:57:10.176 --> 01:57:12.964
have running heat does?
Otherwise he sends two separate

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16311-3
01:57:12.964 --> 01:57:15.153
one for the single material, one
the trash.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16338-0
01:57:16.743 --> 01:57:20.047
Until you have a single
contract, you're saying that's

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16338-1
01:57:20.047 --> 01:57:23.530
for the just the curbside pickup
of trash and recyclables

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16338-2
01:57:23.530 --> 01:57:26.413
together, there's not two
different line items.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16389-0
01:57:27.213 --> 01:57:30.649
And then you have. Is that
correct? And then you pay per

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16389-1
01:57:30.649 --> 01:57:34.084
ton for tipping fee, no one
contractive $146,000 for the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16389-2
01:57:34.084 --> 01:57:37.399
collection. Uh-huh. We have
another contract that says

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16389-3
01:57:37.399 --> 01:57:41.136
you'll you'll take our stuff
directly to this planned for any

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16389-4
01:57:41.136 --> 01:57:42.883
$85 a ton based on a scale.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16407-0
01:57:44.493 --> 01:57:48.277
So your collection cost is
mixed. Single stream and trash

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16407-1
01:57:48.277 --> 01:57:49.973
would have to define that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16409-0
01:57:50.053 --> 01:57:50.523
OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16412-0
01:57:52.043 --> 01:57:52.593
Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16429-0
01:57:53.473 --> 01:57:57.166
Yeah. And shared hauling, I
think that I think, yeah, I

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16429-1
01:57:57.166 --> 01:58:00.463
think that's going in shared
hauling even though.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16437-0
01:58:09.423 --> 01:58:11.713
Even though it's certainly
reimbursable.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16445-0
01:58:12.363 --> 01:58:15.043
That's an easy answer. It seems
like it.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16473-0
01:58:16.173 --> 01:58:19.188
Yeah, well, no unique in that.
We didn't invent this or several

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16473-1
01:58:19.188 --> 01:58:21.968
pounds when you get involved.
Climbing didn't do this. The

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16473-2
01:58:21.968 --> 01:58:24.842
entire contract come around once
a week. Everybody stuff up.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16473-3
01:58:24.842 --> 01:58:26.113
That's the end of it. Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16481-0
01:58:28.893 --> 01:58:31.403
Yeah. And so the the question of
how?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16489-0
01:58:32.093 --> 01:58:34.883
That contract, so that would be
the contract for management of.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16493-0
01:58:35.723 --> 01:58:36.793
Multiple streams.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16510-0
01:58:37.623 --> 01:58:40.529
And so just be a matter of
working out how much of that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16510-1
01:58:40.529 --> 01:58:42.293
contract you give to each
stream.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16515-0
01:58:43.043 --> 01:58:44.933
And so, you know, if you had a.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16519-0
01:58:46.453 --> 01:58:48.003
You had a 2.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16541-0
01:58:50.293 --> 01:58:52.815
If you, it's gonna be different,
right? If you have the two

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16541-1
01:58:52.815 --> 01:58:55.295
compartment truck versus the
single track, like you have a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16541-2
01:58:55.295 --> 01:58:56.093
single truck truck.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16552-0
01:58:57.083 --> 01:59:00.040
You can just figure out how many
times does he take the truck

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16552-1
01:59:00.040 --> 01:59:00.373
around.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16560-0
01:59:02.133 --> 01:59:04.523
To do trash versus take the
truck around to do.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16564-0
01:59:05.553 --> 01:59:06.403
Thing that's going on.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16598-0
01:59:06.483 --> 01:59:10.242
We're not having one behind the
other contractors this this less

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16598-1
01:59:10.242 --> 01:59:13.885
of it less time it show what it
would be 2500 tons of MSW here

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16598-2
01:59:13.885 --> 01:59:16.949
and turn the tons of
recyclables, these picking up a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16598-3
01:59:16.949 --> 01:59:19.493
lot less recycled with
instructors usually.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16643-0
01:59:20.803 --> 01:59:23.722
That's still got two men on it,
and it's still traveling the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16643-1
01:59:23.722 --> 01:59:26.736
same monitor, so I don't know
how that would break out for not

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16643-2
01:59:26.736 --> 01:59:29.607
asking you to figure that out,
but somebody bought someday,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16643-3
01:59:29.607 --> 01:59:32.573
right? But just separated it.
Yep. Yeah. No, I. Yeah, I think

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16643-4
01:59:32.573 --> 01:59:33.673
that I think that's OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16671-0
01:59:35.313 --> 01:59:38.713
And we still have a fairly brand
new single soft contact to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16671-1
01:59:38.713 --> 01:59:42.000
sitting there to talk, you know,
and we may switch

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16671-2
01:59:42.000 --> 01:59:45.457
tomorrow. So I can't picture
that happening right now. Pixel

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16671-3
01:59:45.457 --> 01:59:47.213
closes tomorrow officially, so.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16674-0
01:59:48.363 --> 01:59:49.063
Things are open.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16679-0
01:59:57.283 --> 01:59:58.613
In this case the.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16685-0
02:00:00.053 --> 02:00:00.813
End of January.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16696-0
02:00:02.953 --> 02:00:08.853
Our report, but the contractor
is just a line item cost.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16753-0
02:00:10.043 --> 02:00:13.167
And beyond that, nothing. None
of none of what goes into the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16753-1
02:00:13.167 --> 02:00:15.931
cost of the contractor is
reported is, is that right?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16753-2
02:00:15.931 --> 02:00:19.259
Because no, not in this case. In
this case, where he's got trash

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16753-3
02:00:19.259 --> 02:00:22.434
and single stream, you gotta you
gotta separate that out. The

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16753-4
02:00:22.434 --> 02:00:25.608
cost of the trash versus the
cost of the single stream. So we

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16753-5
02:00:25.608 --> 02:00:28.833
would need to the so would need
to work with the contractor to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16753-6
02:00:28.833 --> 02:00:30.113
separate out those costs.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16768-0
02:00:30.973 --> 02:00:36.335
Yes, separate those those costs.
But the cost for just the single

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16768-1
02:00:36.335 --> 02:00:36.903
stream.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16794-0
02:00:40.783 --> 02:00:45.528
The the contractor is not
obligated to report on what goes

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16794-1
02:00:45.528 --> 02:00:50.513
into his hit, making his cost
justify the 85 per time, right?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16833-0
02:00:52.403 --> 02:00:55.837
So you need to the contract is
not obligated at all. There's no

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16833-1
02:00:55.837 --> 02:00:59.109
obligation from the contractor.
Jay would need to say if you

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16833-2
02:00:59.109 --> 02:01:02.273
wanna do this for us, we wanna
participate. So you need a.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16866-0
02:01:03.063 --> 02:01:06.116
Communicate with the so to to
get this reporting done is how

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16866-1
02:01:06.116 --> 02:01:09.119
that would have to work because
the contractor obviously is

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16866-2
02:01:09.119 --> 02:01:12.221
under no obligation neither's
Jay really, but if Jay wants to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16866-3
02:01:12.221 --> 02:01:14.773
participate then you need that
you need that data.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16877-0
02:01:15.653 --> 02:01:17.793
Otherwise, you don't only needs
the time to train.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16903-0
02:01:20.493 --> 02:01:23.621
From Jay. Yeah, but you need to
talk to the contractor to be

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16903-1
02:01:23.621 --> 02:01:26.646
able to get those costs to
figure out the trash versus the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16903-2
02:01:26.646 --> 02:01:27.363
single stream.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16909-0
02:01:28.813 --> 02:01:29.923
Yes, we can. We can do that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16922-0
02:01:30.973 --> 02:01:33.790
And so the so would have to work
with the contractor to to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16922-1
02:01:33.790 --> 02:01:34.983
separate out those costs.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16929-0
02:01:36.113 --> 02:01:38.823
And Jay would be reporting how
much they.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16936-0
02:01:40.153 --> 02:01:42.183
Yeah, that's I. Yeah, I think
that's.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16940-0
02:01:51.883 --> 02:01:52.743
Because otherwise.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16946-0
02:01:54.283 --> 02:01:56.333
One the the producers have no.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16964-0
02:01:57.073 --> 02:02:01.152
Have no check on that on on sort
of understanding that that cost

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16964-1
02:02:01.152 --> 02:02:04.163
is the the actual cost. You know
where there's.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16973-0
02:02:05.513 --> 02:02:08.363
To prevent that subsidization,
 of the trash.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/16979-0
02:02:09.243 --> 02:02:10.993
You need to look at those costs
more closely.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17007-0
02:02:18.313 --> 02:02:22.034
But see, no matter how much we
think we got every single little

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17007-1
02:02:22.034 --> 02:02:25.755
thing exactly in here. But I it
can, it can fit like I think to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17007-2
02:02:25.755 --> 02:02:27.033
a certain degree like.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17029-0
02:02:27.763 --> 02:02:32.154
I think if it's clear that it's
that it's a covered cost and

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17029-1
02:02:32.154 --> 02:02:36.473
it's sort of clear how these
costs should be separated out.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17039-0
02:02:37.413 --> 02:02:41.293
There'll be a certain amount of
the the VSO figuring out.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17047-0
02:02:42.243 --> 02:02:45.253
How how best to assign cost
within?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17062-0
02:02:46.243 --> 02:02:50.379
You know, are we just gotta make
sure we allow for it as an

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17062-1
02:02:50.379 --> 02:02:52.033
interesting another one.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17065-0
02:02:54.653 --> 02:02:55.323
Anyone else?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17067-0
02:02:58.483 --> 02:02:58.723
No.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17083-0
02:03:00.863 --> 02:03:04.363
Right. So there's one more
contact type, which is when the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17083-1
02:03:04.363 --> 02:03:07.803
contract is only for the
management of packaging streams.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17107-0
02:03:08.483 --> 02:03:11.266
As is the case when a
municipality ascending a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17107-1
02:03:11.266 --> 02:03:15.115
commingled packaging stream to a
materials recovery facility, or

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17107-2
02:03:15.115 --> 02:03:15.233
a.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17136-0
02:03:16.153 --> 02:03:20.051
Said the commodity cost per ton
here would need to include the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17136-1
02:03:20.051 --> 02:03:23.454
municipal profit and overhead
cost per ton paid by the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17136-2
02:03:23.454 --> 02:03:25.743
municipality. And to determine
that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17148-0
02:03:26.653 --> 02:03:31.001
You would need to figure the
municipal contracted commodity

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17148-1
02:03:31.001 --> 02:03:31.943
cost per ton.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17155-0
02:03:32.803 --> 02:03:34.753
Before proceeding to the method
below.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17157-0
02:03:35.843 --> 02:03:36.443
So.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17200-0
02:03:38.843 --> 02:03:42.147
The municipal contracted
community cost per ton is this

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17200-1
02:03:42.147 --> 02:03:45.923
scenario. We just came from and
you needed to determine that to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17200-2
02:03:45.923 --> 02:03:49.108
move forward to get the
municipal profit and overhead

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17200-3
02:03:49.108 --> 02:03:52.884
cost per ton. And so the bullets
that follow there are breaking

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17200-4
02:03:52.884 --> 02:03:53.473
that down.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17202-0
02:03:54.483 --> 02:03:55.023
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17217-0
02:03:56.383 --> 02:04:00.023
There's a weighted average
contracted commodity cost per

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17217-1
02:04:00.023 --> 02:04:02.193
ton. So we're looking at the
sum.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17228-0
02:04:03.773 --> 02:04:07.183
For each commodity based on edge
under a contract.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17249-0
02:04:07.993 --> 02:04:11.693
Getting that total commodity
cost and then dividing that by

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17249-1
02:04:11.693 --> 02:04:14.283
the total tons manage under the
contract.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17279-0
02:04:15.063 --> 02:04:19.711
Uh, total commodity cost is then
expanded on in the next bullet.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17279-1
02:04:19.711 --> 02:04:24.359
That's the municipal contracted
commodity cost per ton that came

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17279-2
02:04:24.359 --> 02:04:27.863
from the second scenario
multiplied by the Times

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17279-3
02:04:27.863 --> 02:04:29.293
commodity delivered.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17305-0
02:04:32.443 --> 02:04:35.154
That municipal contracted
commodity cost per ton is

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17305-1
02:04:35.154 --> 02:04:38.125
figured using the method
proposed for contracts that are

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17305-2
02:04:38.125 --> 02:04:40.940
not for the management of
packaging extreme zone that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17305-3
02:04:40.940 --> 02:04:41.773
second scenario.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17317-0
02:04:42.983 --> 02:04:46.508
And then for total tons managed
under the contract, that's the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17317-1
02:04:46.508 --> 02:04:47.403
sum of the tons.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17328-0
02:04:48.543 --> 02:04:51.852
Modity delivered for all
commodities managed under the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17328-1
02:04:51.852 --> 02:04:52.393
contract.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17350-0
02:04:54.373 --> 02:04:58.652
She more inputs for this one
municipal contract proper time

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17350-1
02:04:58.652 --> 02:05:02.858
that's contracted municipal cost
divided by the total tons

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17350-2
02:05:02.858 --> 02:05:04.783
managed under the contract.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17353-0
02:05:07.553 --> 02:05:08.283
And then.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17392-0
02:05:10.513 --> 02:05:14.454
You get 2 municipal profit and
overhead cost per time. When you

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17392-1
02:05:14.454 --> 02:05:18.148
take that municipal contract
cost per time and you subtract

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17392-2
02:05:18.148 --> 02:05:21.966
the weighted average contracted
commodity costs per time from

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17392-3
02:05:21.966 --> 02:05:22.273
that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17402-0
02:05:36.283 --> 02:05:39.643
So basically because because
you're only looking at.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17405-0
02:05:40.453 --> 02:05:41.733
Packaging streams.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17411-0
02:05:42.403 --> 02:05:43.803
You can you can account for the.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17430-0
02:05:44.663 --> 02:05:48.532
Profit and overhead, that's
always gonna exist in a contract

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17430-1
02:05:48.532 --> 02:05:50.053
versus if if you're not.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17440-0
02:05:51.833 --> 02:05:54.213
You can't know what's profit and
overhead and what's.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17443-0
02:05:55.123 --> 02:05:55.743
For trash.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17454-0
02:05:56.793 --> 02:05:59.530
So that's only looking at single
stream. Then you can you can

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17454-1
02:05:59.530 --> 02:05:59.883
look at.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17464-0
02:06:01.453 --> 02:06:04.505
The per ton cost to the
contractor of each of those

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17464-1
02:06:04.505 --> 02:06:04.923
things.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17486-0
02:06:05.683 --> 02:06:08.544
How many pounds tons were
processed? Add that all up.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17486-1
02:06:08.544 --> 02:06:11.616
There's gonna be a difference
between what the contractor

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17486-2
02:06:11.616 --> 02:06:11.933
spent.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17506-0
02:06:12.723 --> 02:06:15.823
And what they municipality paid
and that difference, you can

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17506-1
02:06:15.823 --> 02:06:18.923
account for, divide it across
all those tons. Basically what

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17506-2
02:06:18.923 --> 02:06:19.583
you're doing.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17511-0
02:06:20.833 --> 02:06:21.963
Did you have a question, Sir?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17528-0
02:06:27.693 --> 02:06:31.483
Like the beginning and that just
the cost of disposal is not

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17528-1
02:06:31.483 --> 02:06:32.973
included but collection.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17530-0
02:06:34.843 --> 02:06:35.343
Beautiful.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17533-0
02:06:36.703 --> 02:06:37.913
Right. So.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17536-0
02:06:39.483 --> 02:06:39.973
Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17552-0
02:06:40.993 --> 02:06:44.396
And you get that amount. You
audit the way stream and see how

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17552-1
02:06:44.396 --> 02:06:45.713
much it that way stream.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17554-0
02:06:52.463 --> 02:06:52.803
About.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17575-0
02:06:54.063 --> 02:06:58.309
I don't think you want to do
that. I think you want to. You

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17575-1
02:06:58.309 --> 02:07:01.563
get, you get the, you get the
cost for trash.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17593-0
02:07:03.113 --> 02:07:07.455
And then you know from producer
reporting how many tons of not

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17593-1
02:07:07.455 --> 02:07:11.383
readily recyclable material have
been sent to the state.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17645-0
02:07:13.293 --> 02:07:17.101
And so if they've been 1.4
million tons of non readily

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17645-1
02:07:17.101 --> 02:07:21.323
recyclable materials sent into
the state, you divide that by

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17645-2
02:07:21.323 --> 02:07:25.546
1.4 million people and you get
one time per person. And then

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17645-3
02:07:25.546 --> 02:07:29.837
the town of Jay has how many
people? 46 hundred. So the time

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17645-4
02:07:29.837 --> 02:07:31.083
Jay gets you know.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17651-0
02:07:32.013 --> 02:07:34.103
Paid for 4600 tons.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17654-0
02:07:35.043 --> 02:07:35.483
Of.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17660-0
02:07:38.553 --> 02:07:40.433
Sorting, collecting.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17667-0
02:07:41.403 --> 02:07:43.333
But not tipping fee.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17671-0
02:07:44.733 --> 02:07:45.403
That is later.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17676-0
02:07:46.933 --> 02:07:49.283
Umm OK, it's.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17684-0
02:07:51.783 --> 02:07:54.713
It's sort of, yeah, yeah, it's.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17692-0
02:07:54.933 --> 02:07:58.103
Do you have an e-mail? But yes,
right. Thank you, Jessica.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17714-0
02:08:01.043 --> 02:08:05.513
OK. So do we wanna reflect on
how that too a lot of those

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17714-1
02:08:05.513 --> 02:08:08.903
calculations are being performed
by the SO?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17746-0
02:08:11.323 --> 02:08:14.883
Yeah, like he doesn't need
municipalities to be getting the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17746-1
02:08:14.883 --> 02:08:18.265
weighted average contract
commodity cost per, I mean not

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17746-2
02:08:18.265 --> 02:08:20.993
been the case that anybody
thought that he's.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17757-0
02:08:21.663 --> 02:08:24.353
Where we're required at the
municipal level, those are not.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17773-0
02:08:25.593 --> 02:08:28.443
Right. In this case, it's not
specific. We didn't specify here

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17773-1
02:08:28.443 --> 02:08:30.343
what the municipality would be
providing.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17775-0
02:08:31.263 --> 02:08:31.693
But.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17777-0
02:08:32.333 --> 02:08:32.853
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17790-0
02:08:35.293 --> 02:08:38.105
The contracted municipal cost
and the tons managed would be

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17790-1
02:08:38.105 --> 02:08:39.463
provided by the municipality.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17793-0
02:08:44.533 --> 02:08:45.863
OK so.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17811-0
02:08:47.263 --> 02:08:50.709
We're almost through revenue
model number one. We've got

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17811-1
02:08:50.709 --> 02:08:52.763
nonspecific cost per ton of
next.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17815-0
02:08:53.783 --> 02:08:55.343
And shared Hauling.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17843-0
02:08:57.223 --> 02:09:02.444
And then we'll be able to kind
of step back from the really

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17843-1
02:09:02.444 --> 02:09:08.100
granular parts of this proposal.
OK. So for the nonspecific cost

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17843-2
02:09:08.100 --> 02:09:08.883
per ton.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17845-0
02:09:09.793 --> 02:09:10.233
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17864-0
02:09:10.883 --> 02:09:15.350
Where on page 5 when mixed
packaging streams are sorted

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17864-1
02:09:15.350 --> 02:09:17.423
into multiple commodities.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17897-0
02:09:18.733 --> 02:09:22.587
Or when administrative education
collection or processing

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17897-1
02:09:22.587 --> 02:09:26.906
activities are not specific to a
single commodity, the method of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17897-2
02:09:26.906 --> 02:09:31.091
reporting will need to allocate
these costs among the resulted

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17897-3
02:09:31.091 --> 02:09:34.413
commodities. These costs will
not be included in.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17935-0
02:09:35.233 --> 02:09:39.414
Uh municipal or contracted labor
costs, equipment cost structure,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17935-1
02:09:39.414 --> 02:09:43.279
costs and energy cost inputs
because they're not specific to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17935-2
02:09:43.279 --> 02:09:46.953
the management of a single
commodity, curbside collection

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17935-3
02:09:46.953 --> 02:09:50.563
of mixed recyclables is
accounted for when transporting.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17943-0
02:09:51.413 --> 02:09:54.663
Using the shared hauling cost
per ton equation.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17966-0
02:09:56.853 --> 02:10:02.301
So to get a non specific cost
for time, we're looking at at

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17966-1
02:10:02.301 --> 02:10:07.385
the the nonspecific costs
multiplying that by a percent

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17966-2
02:10:07.385 --> 02:10:08.383
allocation.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17988-0
02:10:09.413 --> 02:10:13.118
And then divided by the total
tons commodity delivered. So

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17988-1
02:10:13.118 --> 02:10:16.463
the nonspecific cost is broken
down in the next bullet.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/17994-0
02:10:17.813 --> 02:10:18.383
It's.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18062-0
02:10:20.993 --> 02:10:24.606
Yeah, and stands for non
specific. It's the labor, the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18062-1
02:10:24.606 --> 02:10:28.875
equipment, the structure and the
energy cost. So it's sum of all

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18062-2
02:10:28.875 --> 02:10:32.553
those inputs are determined
using the same method as we

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18062-3
02:10:32.553 --> 02:10:36.821
explicated before the municipal
labor costs, equipment structure

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18062-4
02:10:36.821 --> 02:10:40.959
and energy, except that those
audit values, those percent time

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18062-5
02:10:40.959 --> 02:10:44.768
spent on a specific packaging
stream and percent use on a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18062-6
02:10:44.768 --> 02:10:48.183
specific packaging stream will
need to be replaced.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18081-0
02:10:48.853 --> 02:10:52.387
Umm, with percent time spent on
a nonspecific activity and

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18081-1
02:10:52.387 --> 02:10:54.723
percent use on a nonspecific
activity.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18095-0
02:10:56.063 --> 02:10:59.499
Respectively. So the SO will
determine these replacement

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18095-1
02:10:59.499 --> 02:11:00.663
inputs using audits.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18100-0
02:11:02.753 --> 02:11:04.373
So examples of this are.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18104-0
02:11:05.503 --> 02:11:06.573
A MRF cost.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18106-0
02:11:08.053 --> 02:11:08.663
Or.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18135-0
02:11:09.483 --> 02:11:13.464
Umm yeah, we've got a question
too. Or a, you know, if we've

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18135-1
02:11:13.464 --> 02:11:17.510
got a source separated system
and you got a guy standing next

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18135-2
02:11:17.510 --> 02:11:19.533
to the recyclables, I'm saying.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18160-0
02:11:20.223 --> 02:11:23.491
No, that doesn't go there. That
goes in for year. That goes in

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18160-1
02:11:23.491 --> 02:11:26.500
the trash. Those are your
nonspecific sort of examples of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18160-2
02:11:26.500 --> 02:11:27.433
nonspecific costs.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18168-0
02:11:29.013 --> 02:11:31.243
Question for me like how it's
Alex Chan.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18174-0
02:11:35.183 --> 02:11:36.583
Change your status. There you
go.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18209-0
02:11:39.853 --> 02:11:44.879
Yeah. So just a bit of maybe
some insight like we when we do

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18209-1
02:11:44.879 --> 02:11:50.069
allocation of cost for shared
activities to materials we we do

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18209-2
02:11:50.069 --> 02:11:54.930
consider the fact that the
densities are different between

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18209-3
02:11:54.930 --> 02:11:56.083
packing types.

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02:11:56.783 --> 02:12:01.753
So if we imagine a ton of OCC
versus a ton of soft plastics.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18233-0
02:12:02.363 --> 02:12:05.113
They're going to be physically
very different and take up

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18233-1
02:12:05.113 --> 02:12:06.393
different amounts of space.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18251-0
02:12:07.503 --> 02:12:11.119
And requires different handling.
So when we consider the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18251-1
02:12:11.119 --> 02:12:14.163
allocation cost we we do
consider density with.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18254-0
02:12:14.793 --> 02:12:15.443
With weight.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18258-0
02:12:16.433 --> 02:12:17.603
That's two components.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18271-0
02:12:18.303 --> 02:12:23.793
So that's just a just a thought
that I wanted to bring him.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18289-0
02:12:25.503 --> 02:12:28.147
So can you say a little bit more
about that so that you're

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18289-1
02:12:28.147 --> 02:12:30.881
looking, have you seen this
percent allocation? I'm doing a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18289-2
02:12:30.881 --> 02:12:31.373
bad job of.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18295-0
02:12:32.783 --> 02:12:34.933
Rolling percent allocation.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18303-0
02:12:36.023 --> 02:12:37.913
Uh, we have that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18346-0
02:12:38.733 --> 02:12:43.198
We didn't specify a percent
allocation here because we were

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18346-1
02:12:43.198 --> 02:12:47.885
right. Is this volume is this
weight? Is this count? You know,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18346-2
02:12:47.885 --> 02:12:52.572
density is sort of, I guess a a
volume weight measurement. How

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18346-3
02:12:52.572 --> 02:12:54.283
exactly, so you've got?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18357-0
02:12:55.083 --> 02:12:56.963
Can you can you say a little bit
more about how you do that?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18386-0
02:12:58.883 --> 02:13:02.685
No, that's just what exactly it.
So if you're looking at hollidge

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18386-1
02:13:02.685 --> 02:13:06.025
costs in, in a, in a truck, in
the compartment like which

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18386-2
02:13:06.025 --> 02:13:07.983
material takes up the most
space.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18403-0
02:13:08.743 --> 02:13:12.476
Uh, relative to their to their
weight and you would see, you

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18403-1
02:13:12.476 --> 02:13:13.393
know, paper or.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18449-0
02:13:14.673 --> 02:13:17.835
Ohh metals would take up the
least amount of space, even

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18449-1
02:13:17.835 --> 02:13:21.162
though they're the heaviest and
then you would see plastics

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18449-2
02:13:21.162 --> 02:13:24.490
taking up more space and film
making more space if you know

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18449-3
02:13:24.490 --> 02:13:27.818
they don't weigh that. They
don't weigh that much. So we we

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18449-4
02:13:27.818 --> 02:13:31.090
consider those two factors in
the allocation of the of the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18449-5
02:13:31.090 --> 02:13:32.753
collective cost to the materials.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18453-0
02:13:33.523 --> 02:13:34.253
As an example.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18499-0
02:13:35.633 --> 02:13:39.212
And then when you look at
sorting, you know sorting in the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18499-1
02:13:39.212 --> 02:13:43.155
MRF like how much time does it
take to actually pick out a ton

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18499-2
02:13:43.155 --> 02:13:46.856
of OCC versus a ton of film,
let's say it would take way more

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18499-3
02:13:46.856 --> 02:13:48.493
time to pick out on a film.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18558-0
02:13:49.353 --> 02:13:53.359
Umm. And just just because of
the characteristic of of that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18558-1
02:13:53.359 --> 02:13:57.565
packaging type. So so. So yeah,
just just just a thought that,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18558-2
02:13:57.565 --> 02:14:01.704
you know, if you're allocating
cost just based on weight that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18558-3
02:14:01.704 --> 02:14:05.776
translates into produce a fees
then you know the the densest

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18558-4
02:14:05.776 --> 02:14:09.715
materials will always get most
of the cost and most of the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18558-5
02:14:09.715 --> 02:14:11.383
fees, which isn't always.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18573-0
02:14:12.023 --> 02:14:15.581
That the the the appropriate
link to to do from a legal

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18573-1
02:14:15.581 --> 02:14:16.343
modulations.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18593-0
02:14:19.533 --> 02:14:25.052
And so it when you're, when
you're when you say the cost per

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18593-1
02:14:25.052 --> 02:14:27.313
time, the time to pick a.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18603-0
02:14:28.383 --> 02:14:31.423
Ton of cardboard or to pick a
ton of.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18631-0
02:14:32.133 --> 02:14:38.029
Umm, flexible packaging. Is that
a or is that a time study that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18619-0
02:14:33.543 --> 02:14:35.473
Soft plastics, yeah, yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18631-1
02:14:38.029 --> 02:14:39.963
is done at the MRF?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18640-0
02:14:40.833 --> 02:14:44.143
Or is that are you using some
sort of proxy?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18673-0
02:14:46.133 --> 02:14:49.233
Yeah, the there's different
methods to go about costing

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18673-1
02:14:49.233 --> 02:14:52.664
this. They're all field studies
like what Glenn had mentioned

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18673-2
02:14:52.664 --> 02:14:55.985
about activity based costing.
That's one way to do it using

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18673-3
02:14:55.985 --> 02:14:57.313
time and motion studies.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18733-0
02:14:59.243 --> 02:15:02.866
Another way is to look at actual
just the the, the, the the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18733-1
02:15:02.866 --> 02:15:06.851
properties of that material. How
much does that property compact?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18733-2
02:15:06.851 --> 02:15:10.534
How how? How easily does that
property expand again and then

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18733-3
02:15:10.534 --> 02:15:14.398
how much actual space would that
take up? Like there's a lot of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18733-4
02:15:14.398 --> 02:15:17.900
factors in involved in in
costing the trials, but there's

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18733-5
02:15:17.900 --> 02:15:20.073
different approaches to to do
this.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18753-0
02:15:24.943 --> 02:15:28.329
And do you guys use a
combination or do you when you

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18753-1
02:15:28.329 --> 02:15:31.395
say there are different
approaches, do you mean

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18753-2
02:15:31.395 --> 02:15:32.033
different?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18755-0
02:15:33.253 --> 02:15:33.943
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18778-0
02:15:34.833 --> 02:15:38.376
Canadian jurisdictions use
different methods here. Or do

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18763-0
02:15:37.393 --> 02:15:37.823
Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18778-1
02:15:38.376 --> 02:15:42.166
you mean within a jurisdiction
you're using a combination of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18778-2
02:15:42.166 --> 02:15:42.663
methods?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18803-0
02:15:43.843 --> 02:15:48.083
So we we're trying to, we stick
with one method for each

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18803-1
02:15:48.083 --> 02:15:52.843
jurisdiction and in in the past
we had relied on activity based

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18803-2
02:15:52.843 --> 02:15:54.033
costing studies.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18848-0
02:15:54.743 --> 02:15:58.067
Umm and I have worked for a
little while and but they got a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18848-1
02:15:58.067 --> 02:16:01.335
little bit expensive and and
hard to do because we weren't

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18848-2
02:16:01.335 --> 02:16:04.825
able to get access into our our
contractors facilities and and

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18848-3
02:16:04.825 --> 02:16:08.259
like they just didn't want to
disclose all the information to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18848-4
02:16:08.259 --> 02:16:11.527
us because it was getting you
know commercially sensitive.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18848-5
02:16:11.527 --> 02:16:12.413
Then we went on.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18917-0
02:16:13.143 --> 02:16:17.464
Another path would say you know
if we can't get access to this

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18917-1
02:16:17.464 --> 02:16:21.717
information, we need to conduct
our own lab studies to figure

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18917-2
02:16:21.717 --> 02:16:26.038
out, you know, biomaterial, what
are the characteristics, what

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18917-3
02:16:26.038 --> 02:16:30.290
are properties, how much cost
would they actually drive into,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18917-4
02:16:30.290 --> 02:16:34.748
into, into the the systems. So.
So that was two approaches there

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18917-5
02:16:34.748 --> 02:16:38.589
and mainly he was driven by by
lack of access to to the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18917-6
02:16:38.589 --> 02:16:39.343
operations.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18919-0
02:16:40.353 --> 02:16:41.043
Facilities.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18923-0
02:16:41.743 --> 02:16:42.563
That we have to switch.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18930-0
02:16:49.013 --> 02:16:51.323
And are your results public
information?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18947-0
02:16:53.883 --> 02:16:56.875
Yeah, there's a. Yeah. There,
there. Different pieces of it. I

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18947-1
02:16:56.875 --> 02:16:59.153
I can actually share that with
with your group.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18951-0
02:17:00.223 --> 02:17:01.143
Would be very helpful.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18955-0
02:17:03.343 --> 02:17:03.823
Thank you.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18964-0
02:17:04.523 --> 02:17:06.693
Who would I? Who should I send
this to?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18969-0
02:17:09.563 --> 02:17:10.383
You could send it to me.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18983-0
02:17:11.563 --> 02:17:16.973
And then we can get it put put
posted elena.bertocci@maine.gov.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18993-0
02:17:18.463 --> 02:17:22.123
Or yeah, I'm remembering the the
e-mail address.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/18987-0
02:17:19.063 --> 02:17:19.413
OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19003-0
02:17:23.023 --> 02:17:25.863
MainepackagingEPR@maine.gov, thanks. So
yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19019-0
02:17:28.383 --> 02:17:32.714
I think it's main packaging.
Yeah. Maine packaging EPR at

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19019-1
02:17:32.714 --> 02:17:33.353
maine.gov.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19032-0
02:17:34.573 --> 02:17:37.626
I was afraid I'd get it wrong,
and I know you got it wrong now,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19032-1
02:17:37.626 --> 02:17:38.293
I don't. Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19041-0
02:17:40.873 --> 02:17:42.493
Yeah, I'll be happy to share
something with.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19065-0
02:17:41.793 --> 02:17:45.249
Or or I can we can find your.
We'll find your e-mail address

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19065-1
02:17:45.249 --> 02:17:48.874
on the list of participants and
and track it down, because we'd

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19065-2
02:17:48.874 --> 02:17:50.913
really like to see that. Thank
you.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19071-0
02:17:51.613 --> 02:17:52.863
OK, sounds good. Thank you.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19086-0
02:18:05.773 --> 02:18:10.223
OK. So I'll move, move on to the
shared hauling cost per ton.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19096-0
02:18:13.003 --> 02:18:17.613
OK, so when municipalities
hauling packaging streams.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19171-0
02:18:19.233 --> 02:18:23.122
That will be you that will be
sold as multiple commodities.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19171-1
02:18:23.122 --> 02:18:26.687
They will need to adjust
reporting to allocate hauling

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19171-2
02:18:26.687 --> 02:18:30.641
costs among those commodities.
So in the case of mixed loads

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19171-3
02:18:30.641 --> 02:18:34.205
where multiple baled
commodities are hauled together,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19171-4
02:18:34.205 --> 02:18:38.224
the cost for such trips should
be allocated among commodities

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19171-5
02:18:38.224 --> 02:18:42.177
by weight. If the load contains
loose or unveiled commodities,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19171-6
02:18:42.177 --> 02:18:45.483
the cost will need to be
allocated based on volume

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19171-7
02:18:45.483 --> 02:18:48.723
because it's volume limits, the
size of the load.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19210-0
02:18:49.383 --> 02:18:53.312
The cost associated with shared
hauling again are not included

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19210-1
02:18:53.312 --> 02:18:56.867
in the municipal the nonspecific
or the contracted labor

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19210-2
02:18:56.867 --> 02:19:00.795
equipment structure or energy
costs inputs because they're not

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19210-3
02:19:00.795 --> 02:19:03.913
specific to the management of a
single commodity.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19223-0
02:19:04.583 --> 02:19:09.635
Post of curbside collection of
mixed recyclables is included in

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19223-1
02:19:09.635 --> 02:19:10.503
this input.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19244-0
02:19:12.203 --> 02:19:16.160
So to get shared hauling costs
per ton where multiplying the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19244-1
02:19:16.160 --> 02:19:19.273
shared hauling costs by the
percent allocation.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19250-0
02:19:19.973 --> 02:19:22.223
Uh factor, that will differ.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19267-0
02:19:23.093 --> 02:19:27.655
That the one previously
mentioned divided by the tons

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19267-1
02:19:27.655 --> 02:19:30.723
commodity delivered. So we have
a a.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19273-0
02:19:31.693 --> 02:19:33.323
The shared hauling costs.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19276-0
02:19:34.733 --> 02:19:35.693
Is.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19301-0
02:19:36.703 --> 02:19:40.551
Shared hauling Labor cost plus
equipment plus structure plus

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19301-1
02:19:40.551 --> 02:19:44.210
energy. These inputs are
determined using the same method

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19301-2
02:19:44.210 --> 02:19:45.913
as municipal inputs except.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19334-0
02:19:46.593 --> 02:19:50.274
At the present time on a
specific packaging stream and

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19334-1
02:19:50.274 --> 02:19:54.491
the percent use on a specific
packaging stream are replaced by

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19334-2
02:19:54.491 --> 02:19:58.573
time, percent time spent on
shared hauling and percent time.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19342-0
02:19:58.713 --> 02:20:03.293
Percent use on shared hauling,
respectively.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19355-0
02:20:04.003 --> 02:20:06.978
The SO will determine these
replacement inputs, using

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19355-1
02:20:06.978 --> 02:20:07.363
audits.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19392-0
02:20:08.103 --> 02:20:12.681
As for the percent allocation,
it's gonna depend on the method

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19392-1
02:20:12.681 --> 02:20:17.185
of hauling a packaging stream.
These are our thoughts. We are

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19392-2
02:20:17.185 --> 02:20:21.980
very much interested in feedback
when a packaging stream is loose

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19392-3
02:20:21.980 --> 02:20:24.813
and commingled the percent
allocation.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19445-0
02:20:25.633 --> 02:20:29.240
Is, you know, we propose that
it's equal to the volume

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19445-1
02:20:29.240 --> 02:20:33.371
occupied by the materials to be
sorted into a given commodity,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19445-2
02:20:33.371 --> 02:20:37.437
divided by the volume occupied
by materials to be sorted into

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19445-3
02:20:37.437 --> 02:20:41.240
all commodities. In this case,
the so will define percent

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19445-4
02:20:41.240 --> 02:20:42.813
allocation using audits.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19494-0
02:20:43.693 --> 02:20:47.389
Uh, when a packaging stream is
loose and source separated, the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19494-1
02:20:47.389 --> 02:20:51.025
percent allocation. Again, we've
proposed it to be the volume

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19494-2
02:20:51.025 --> 02:20:54.837
used to transport materials for
a given commodity divided by the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19494-3
02:20:54.837 --> 02:20:58.298
total volume available to
transport all materials. In this

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19494-4
02:20:58.298 --> 02:21:01.523
case too, the SO will document
the percent allocation.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19503-0
02:21:02.243 --> 02:21:05.313
Uh, during consultation with the
municipality.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19532-0
02:21:07.343 --> 02:21:12.101
And in the last scenario here,
in the case of hauling multiple

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19532-1
02:21:12.101 --> 02:21:16.481
baled commodities, percent
allocation would consider the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19532-2
02:21:16.481 --> 02:21:20.408
times commodity delivered
divided by the total tons

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19532-3
02:21:20.408 --> 02:21:21.163
delivered.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19562-0
02:21:21.873 --> 02:21:26.092
Uh unbaled paper sent to a mill
can be considered bailed for the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19562-1
02:21:26.092 --> 02:21:30.119
purposes of allocating shared
hauling costs. In this case, the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19562-2
02:21:30.119 --> 02:21:33.443
municipality would be reporting
percent allocation.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19567-0
02:21:36.493 --> 02:21:37.803
We'll just take a moment.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19576-0
02:21:38.603 --> 02:21:41.613
For processing that, there's questions
on that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19586-0
02:21:53.383 --> 02:21:56.033
No, I don't like done.
Everyone's done.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19644-0
02:21:56.503 --> 02:22:00.315
Expect it is our wrap up. We're
wrapping up. This is the last.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19644-1
02:22:00.315 --> 02:22:04.127
This is the last piece. This is
back out to. This is more big

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19644-2
02:22:04.127 --> 02:22:07.938
picture. Yeah, this is more big
picture again and it's not so

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19644-3
02:22:07.938 --> 02:22:11.811
much happening at the municipal
level. You're fine. Thank you.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19644-4
02:22:11.811 --> 02:22:15.623
OK. So for the procedure for
determining median material type

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19644-5
02:22:15.623 --> 02:22:16.483
cost per ton.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19678-0
02:22:18.673 --> 02:22:23.107
We just have it laid out here in
steps, so step one was calculate

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19678-1
02:22:23.107 --> 02:22:27.272
that commodity cost per ton for
all commodities produced from

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19678-2
02:22:27.272 --> 02:22:31.033
packaging streams for all
participating municipalities.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19729-0
02:22:31.703 --> 02:22:36.041
That's pretty much what we just
walk through for the last few

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19729-1
02:22:36.041 --> 02:22:40.449
hours, who assign that commodity
cost per ton to each material

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19729-2
02:22:40.449 --> 02:22:44.927
type in a commodity. So no, and
municipalities cost of managing

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19729-3
02:22:44.927 --> 02:22:49.334
a material type is equal to the
cost of managing the commodity

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19729-4
02:22:49.334 --> 02:22:50.873
with which it is sold.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19742-0
02:22:52.713 --> 02:22:58.062
Step three determine that median
material type cost per time to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19742-1
02:22:58.062 --> 02:22:59.983
similar municipalities.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19816-0
02:23:01.303 --> 02:23:05.253
And then step four if necessary.
We're gonna cap that median

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19816-1
02:23:05.253 --> 02:23:09.331
material type cost per ton of a
packaging material that is not

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19816-2
02:23:09.331 --> 02:23:13.021
readily recyclable or a
packaging material that is being

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19816-3
02:23:13.021 --> 02:23:16.906
managed for reuse for these
management methods, the maximum

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19816-4
02:23:16.906 --> 02:23:21.049
allowed reimbursement. Again, we
proposed a five times the cost

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19816-5
02:23:21.049 --> 02:23:24.933
per ton of the most expensive
median material type cost per

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19816-6
02:23:24.933 --> 02:23:28.882
ton for any readily recyclable
packaging material to similar

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19816-7
02:23:28.882 --> 02:23:29.853
municipalities.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19820-0
02:23:40.003 --> 02:23:41.073
Questions on that piece.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19831-0
02:23:42.603 --> 02:23:46.133
Yeah. When? At what point are we
defining similar municipalities?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19838-0
02:23:51.353 --> 02:23:52.853
Is the next time I was at this
time.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19873-0
02:23:53.643 --> 02:23:58.243
Think it was. I think it was for
this. It was with we, haven't

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19873-1
02:23:58.243 --> 02:24:02.843
we? It was to be discussed with
this section and we didn't get

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19873-2
02:24:02.843 --> 02:24:06.493
many comments on those in those
meetings on that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19890-0
02:24:08.663 --> 02:24:12.326
So we'll probably just if you
have thoughts on similar like we

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19890-1
02:24:12.326 --> 02:24:15.813
were looking for comments on
those. We haven't gotten many.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19894-0
02:24:17.983 --> 02:24:18.693
And we'll.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19903-0
02:24:19.533 --> 02:24:22.953
Probably you know, throughout
some language here based on.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19914-0
02:24:23.723 --> 02:24:26.093
I don't think we got any
actually on similar

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19914-1
02:24:26.093 --> 02:24:27.673
municipalities, that's either.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19919-0
02:24:29.333 --> 02:24:30.663
Yeah, I think it's hard to.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19927-0
02:24:36.663 --> 02:24:38.993
Yeah, in which case, we'll
probably just keep it.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19937-0
02:24:40.093 --> 02:24:43.099
Fairly basic and go by the
statute says population and

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19937-1
02:24:43.099 --> 02:24:43.973
geography, yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19939-0
02:24:50.883 --> 02:24:51.233


279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19942-0
02:24:52.393 --> 02:24:53.153


279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19954-0
02:24:54.883 --> 02:24:59.270
Medium material type cost per
ton for every municipality

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19954-1
02:24:59.270 --> 02:24:59.723
group.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19965-0
02:25:00.493 --> 02:25:03.343
The seemingly business ethics.
Yeah. So there's gonna be all

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/19965-1
02:25:03.343 --> 02:25:03.623
these.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20008-0
02:25:05.333 --> 02:25:07.958
A number of medians, right. So
that's the other thing. You

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20008-1
02:25:07.958 --> 02:25:10.361
don't wanna have too many
different groups of similar

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20008-2
02:25:10.361 --> 02:25:13.074
municipalities or you're dealing
with too many. You're gonna

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20008-3
02:25:13.074 --> 02:25:16.010
have. You're not gonna have good
medians. Case. You're gonna have

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20008-4
02:25:16.010 --> 02:25:18.769
two small in groups. Yeah. So
the statute already talks about

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20008-5
02:25:18.769 --> 02:25:19.213
those too.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20019-0
02:25:20.093 --> 02:25:23.261
Things so say you have big
population, little population

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20019-1
02:25:23.261 --> 02:25:23.483
and.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20041-0
02:25:24.943 --> 02:25:28.607
I don't know. Geography is. I
don't want to say anything about

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20041-1
02:25:28.607 --> 02:25:31.979
geography. Yeah, but two groups
of geography, then you've

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20041-2
02:25:31.979 --> 02:25:32.793
already got 4.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20059-0
02:25:33.483 --> 02:25:36.327
For medians that you're working
with and probably don't want too

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20059-1
02:25:36.327 --> 02:25:38.033
many more than that, I wouldn't
think.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20069-0
02:25:38.793 --> 02:25:42.213
That's gonna determine the the
reimbursement rate.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20072-0
02:25:43.023 --> 02:25:43.643
Whatever.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20081-0
02:25:44.423 --> 02:25:46.183
Group of municipalities are in.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20083-0
02:25:49.483 --> 02:25:49.793
Yes.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20101-0
02:25:51.743 --> 02:25:55.538
Talking about fees that we
assess later, but obviously

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20101-1
02:25:55.538 --> 02:25:57.263
these meetings are gonna.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20110-0
02:25:58.473 --> 02:26:02.003
Someone figure into the feeds
the producers paying.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20148-0
02:26:03.023 --> 02:26:06.106
If there is, is it gonna be like
an average of imbalance or well,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20148-1
02:26:06.106 --> 02:26:08.814
you'd have to consider how many
tons are being reimbursed

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20148-2
02:26:08.814 --> 02:26:11.663
through each median. I think
otherwise you're not gonna have

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20148-3
02:26:11.663 --> 02:26:12.923
your in match, you're out.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20150-0
02:26:13.693 --> 02:26:14.063
So.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20159-0
02:26:15.753 --> 02:26:18.703
Send it so like you're gonna say
you have 4 medians.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20183-0
02:26:19.363 --> 02:26:23.819
One is big population, geography
one and one is small population

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20183-1
02:26:23.819 --> 02:26:27.726
geography one and one is big
population. Geography 2 and

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20183-2
02:26:27.726 --> 02:26:30.193
small population geography 2
right?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20195-0
02:26:30.893 --> 02:26:34.525
The small population geographies
are gonna have probably fewer

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20195-1
02:26:34.525 --> 02:26:34.813
tons.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20199-0
02:26:36.213 --> 02:26:37.333
Reimbursed at that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20230-0
02:26:38.193 --> 02:26:41.843
At that medium, so you're going
to have to consider the fact

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20230-1
02:26:41.843 --> 02:26:45.493
that that first median you had
100 tons reimbursed at one of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20230-2
02:26:45.493 --> 02:26:48.843
those medians, 100 tons
reimbursed at the other median.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20250-0
02:26:49.883 --> 02:26:54.075
200 tons burst at reimbursed at
the third median and 200 tons

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20250-1
02:26:54.075 --> 02:26:56.373
reimbursed it the the 4th
median.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20340-0
02:26:57.473 --> 02:27:00.616
And so you're gonna have to you
probably what I would do

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20340-1
02:27:00.616 --> 02:27:03.869
without, you know, thinking
about it too much is take that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20340-2
02:27:03.869 --> 02:27:07.453
median cost per ton for the 4th,
multiply it by 200, add that to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20340-3
02:27:07.453 --> 02:27:10.927
the median cost for the third,
multiply it by 200, add that to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20340-4
02:27:10.927 --> 02:27:14.511
the median cost for the second,
multiply it by 100 the number of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20340-5
02:27:14.511 --> 02:27:17.929
times you reimbursed through
that median cost. So then you're

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20340-6
02:27:17.929 --> 02:27:21.182
getting a total cost. Multiply
the the first median by the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20340-7
02:27:21.182 --> 02:27:23.773
number of tons reimbursed at
that cost by 100.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20344-0
02:27:25.683 --> 02:27:26.393
That makes sense.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20349-0
02:27:27.313 --> 02:27:28.543
I'm sure I could have said that
better.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20358-0
02:27:31.683 --> 02:27:34.713
But that way your total out is
gonna match. You're in.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20375-0
02:27:36.123 --> 02:27:39.861
As opposed to if you just like
took a raw median, those small

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20375-1
02:27:39.861 --> 02:27:42.453
population ones are gonna have
many fewer.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20380-0
02:27:43.743 --> 02:27:45.153
Times going out through them.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20391-0
02:27:48.713 --> 02:27:51.198
Right. Because like the City of
Portland, for instance, is gonna

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20391-1
02:27:51.198 --> 02:27:51.503
be like.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20413-0
02:27:52.283 --> 02:27:55.246
I don't even, you know, we got a
couple of Portland, Bangor,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20413-1
02:27:55.246 --> 02:27:58.451
Lewiston. They're gonna have how
many of the towns in Maine right

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20413-2
02:27:58.451 --> 02:27:58.693
like?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20426-0
02:27:59.373 --> 02:28:02.061
It's not going to be an even
number of times going out at

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20426-1
02:28:02.061 --> 02:28:03.033
each of those prices.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20438-0
02:28:13.743 --> 02:28:16.773
They're not going to have that
data right or something. Feats.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20445-0
02:28:17.893 --> 02:28:20.673
Because it's under 90 days from
the.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20451-0
02:28:21.703 --> 02:28:23.313
Selection that is SO.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20459-0
02:28:24.383 --> 02:28:27.573
There's going to need to be a
there's gonna need to be an

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20459-1
02:28:27.573 --> 02:28:28.013
initial.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20474-0
02:28:29.503 --> 02:28:33.673
Deal with this before there's
any. There's gonna be a need to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20474-1
02:28:33.673 --> 02:28:36.093
have some. SO the needs
assessment.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20480-0
02:28:38.463 --> 02:28:39.813
We need this event won't be done
either.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20516-0
02:28:42.423 --> 02:28:45.589
Yeah, right. Just because that's
gonna do the needs assessment,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20516-1
02:28:45.589 --> 02:28:48.655
that won't be done either. So
the that initial period is just

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20516-2
02:28:48.655 --> 02:28:51.821
gonna have to be taking care of
in some way. That's like fairly

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20516-3
02:28:51.821 --> 02:28:54.293
partial and everybody can
feel like it's fair.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20523-0
02:28:55.923 --> 02:28:57.433
And then you maybe.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20542-0
02:28:58.773 --> 02:29:02.049
Make up for it afterwards. As
you're it's. I don't know how

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20542-1
02:29:02.049 --> 02:29:05.107
else to do it because you just
you're gonna 180 days is

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20542-2
02:29:05.107 --> 02:29:05.543
nothing.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20545-0
02:29:16.803 --> 02:29:17.263
But.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20555-0
02:29:19.783 --> 02:29:21.993
You were hoping to push that to
producer fees in July?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20568-0
02:29:23.443 --> 02:29:27.121
That discussion, yeah. But yeah,
that that's gonna be its own

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20568-1
02:29:27.121 --> 02:29:27.773
discussion.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20575-0
02:29:28.793 --> 02:29:30.103
Yeah, the New York's looking
chart.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20599-0
02:29:35.463 --> 02:29:39.383
We don't, we don't have any. I
think I threw that out before,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20599-1
02:29:39.383 --> 02:29:43.492
but we don't have any authority
to do that. No, you don't. Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20599-2
02:29:43.492 --> 02:29:44.313
Yeah, so bad.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20608-0
02:29:45.593 --> 02:29:47.763
Yes. So let me speak random some
authority to.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20622-0
02:29:48.483 --> 02:29:51.920
Come up with an estimate and it
would have to be right and it

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20622-1
02:29:51.920 --> 02:29:54.153
would have. It would probably
want to.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20633-0
02:29:58.083 --> 02:30:01.824
Sarah's not here. Ready.
Reckoner is what she would say,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20633-1
02:30:01.824 --> 02:30:03.333
like estimate and then.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20640-0
02:30:04.543 --> 02:30:07.513
Go back and like fix probably.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20657-0
02:30:10.663 --> 02:30:16.226
Yeah, maybe it's the only way to
do initial payments and then we

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20657-1
02:30:16.226 --> 02:30:17.253
recalibrate.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20660-0
02:30:18.233 --> 02:30:18.963
Afterwards.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20665-0
02:30:19.563 --> 02:30:20.753
You can actually spend some
money.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20667-0
02:30:20.983 --> 02:30:21.283
Sure.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20675-0
02:30:21.873 --> 02:30:25.713
The first bill statutory
language potentially.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20685-0
02:30:27.163 --> 02:30:30.063
Here as well, yeah, send it our
way. Send it our way.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20688-0
02:30:34.643 --> 02:30:35.733
The clock tonight.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20692-0
02:30:37.023 --> 02:30:37.933
Implement state too.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20695-0
02:30:39.113 --> 02:30:39.623
Person.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20697-0
02:30:43.593 --> 02:30:43.933
Happy.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20699-0
02:30:46.353 --> 02:30:46.923
Umm.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20704-0
02:30:49.543 --> 02:30:50.453
In the end here.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20719-0
02:30:52.433 --> 02:30:55.659
I wonder how many people got with
us to here.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20719-1
02:30:55.659 --> 02:30:56.343
new chats? No.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20723-0
02:30:57.883 --> 02:30:58.473
Nobody.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20725-0
02:30:59.493 --> 02:31:00.203
Silence.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20731-0
02:31:02.983 --> 02:31:04.163
I went to that Jack.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20736-0
02:31:07.633 --> 02:31:09.203
Trying to refill Jack.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20741-0
02:31:09.763 --> 02:31:11.653
Something like that. It was,
yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20750-0
02:31:14.713 --> 02:31:18.163
Yeah, I don't noodle video my
elementary days.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20752-0
02:31:20.683 --> 02:31:21.233


279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20755-0
02:31:22.243 --> 02:31:23.473
OK so.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20761-0
02:31:25.493 --> 02:31:27.143
We went through the procedure.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20765-0
02:31:27.483 --> 02:31:29.183
And and then.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20797-0
02:31:29.863 --> 02:31:34.120
That class for managing
packaging material that's not

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20797-1
02:31:34.120 --> 02:31:39.164
readily recyclable, we propose
an equation for that, which is a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20797-2
02:31:39.164 --> 02:31:44.051
a median management cost per ton
multiplied by the per capita

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20797-3
02:31:44.051 --> 02:31:44.523
times.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20821-0
02:31:45.913 --> 02:31:51.028
That media and management cost
for time. It is that median cost

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20821-1
02:31:51.028 --> 02:31:54.865
to similar similar
municipalities of management

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20821-2
02:31:54.865 --> 02:31:55.983
cost per ton.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20824-0
02:31:56.713 --> 02:31:57.763
So we have.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20844-0
02:31:59.063 --> 02:32:03.373
The management cost per ton as
the cost of collecting,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20844-1
02:32:03.373 --> 02:32:08.153
processing and transporting
material to a disposal facility.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20857-0
02:32:08.843 --> 02:32:12.671
It is figured in the same way
the commodity cost per ton

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20857-1
02:32:12.671 --> 02:32:13.793
input is figured.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20874-0
02:32:14.973 --> 02:32:19.434
However, the the tipping fee at
the disposal facility is not a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20874-1
02:32:19.434 --> 02:32:21.133
 reimbursable cost.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20906-0
02:32:22.823 --> 02:32:27.845
The per capita times that is
figured by taking the total tons

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20906-1
02:32:27.845 --> 02:32:32.948
of packaging material that is
not readily recyclable into made

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20906-2
02:32:32.948 --> 02:32:37.403
divided by means population and
then multiplied by the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20906-3
02:32:37.403 --> 02:32:38.213
municipal.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20908-0
02:32:39.223 --> 02:32:40.173
Population.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20945-0
02:32:41.013 --> 02:32:44.405
So total tons of packaging
material that is not readily

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20945-1
02:32:44.405 --> 02:32:47.858
recyclable. To me that's
reported to the so by producers

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20945-2
02:32:47.858 --> 02:32:51.553
and then Maine's population and
the municipal population would

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20945-3
02:32:51.553 --> 02:32:54.823
be defined using the most recent
10 year census data.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20955-0
02:32:56.703 --> 02:33:01.829
Any questions on figuring
reimbursement non readily

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20955-1
02:33:01.829 --> 02:33:02.913
recyclable?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20974-0
02:33:14.683 --> 02:33:18.524
Grand finale, yeah, the grand
finale is is municipal

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20974-1
02:33:18.524 --> 02:33:21.013
reimbursement and that's equal
to.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/20983-0
02:33:21.833 --> 02:33:25.363
The sum for a material type of.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21055-0
02:33:26.483 --> 02:33:30.789
The material type tons recycled
by a municipalities multiplied

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21055-1
02:33:30.789 --> 02:33:34.889
by the median material type cost
per ton to similar similar

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21055-2
02:33:34.889 --> 02:33:39.399
municipalities, and then to that
we add the cost of managing that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21055-3
02:33:39.399 --> 02:33:43.431
packaging material that is not
readily recyclable. So that

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21055-4
02:33:43.431 --> 02:33:47.463
material type tons recycled by a
municipality that is tons

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21055-5
02:33:47.463 --> 02:33:51.290
delivered multiplied by that
percent material type in a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21055-6
02:33:51.290 --> 02:33:51.973
commodity.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21071-0
02:33:53.143 --> 02:33:56.988
Which is determined using audits
conducted by the. SO separate

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21071-1
02:33:56.988 --> 02:33:59.673
audits for commodities sold with
different.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21076-0
02:33:59.753 --> 02:34:02.123
Uh, separate audits

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21093-0
02:34:03.323 --> 02:34:08.443
Are done for commodity sold with
different bale specifications.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21093-1
02:34:08.443 --> 02:34:10.923
Details surrounding audits are.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21097-0
02:34:11.743 --> 02:34:12.923
Coming up next week.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21100-0
02:34:17.413 --> 02:34:18.563
And.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21110-0
02:34:19.383 --> 02:34:23.563
That's our proposal
for municipal reimbursement.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21123-0
02:34:25.983 --> 02:34:30.510
Are there any general questions
because we didn't really open up

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21123-1
02:34:30.510 --> 02:34:31.833
the floor to those.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21147-0
02:34:34.603 --> 02:34:37.644
Now would be the time to ask
questions. If you have any

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21147-1
02:34:37.644 --> 02:34:40.685
general questions. General
thoughts, there's no general

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02:34:40.685 --> 02:34:42.693
thought. Someone still with us.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21151-0
02:34:52.073 --> 02:34:53.143
Hello, do you?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21162-0
02:34:53.433 --> 02:34:58.266
But after an exercise like this
today, do you take the document

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02:34:58.266 --> 02:34:58.643
back

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21170-0
02:34:59.483 --> 02:35:01.873
Work through it and.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21190-0
02:35:03.693 --> 02:35:07.861
Put comments per section that
you that you've taken notes on,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21190-1
02:35:07.861 --> 02:35:10.213
or do you just compile your
notes?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21201-0
02:35:11.333 --> 02:35:14.814
Uh, without cross reference? And
do you cross reference to this

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21201-1
02:35:14.814 --> 02:35:15.303
document?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21223-0
02:35:18.843 --> 02:35:21.596
Yes, I'm not clear on the
question. I have a whole bunch

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21224-0
02:35:21.333 --> 02:35:23.413
I have a whole bunch of notes on
my sheet.

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02:35:21.596 --> 02:35:23.093
of notes scribbled on my sheet.

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02:35:23.913 --> 02:35:24.683
It would be.

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02:35:26.583 --> 02:35:27.433
OK.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21260-0
02:35:26.873 --> 02:35:33.413
Do you wanna see
a version 2 the notes. Any

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21260-1
02:35:33.413 --> 02:35:38.083
changes? Is that what you're
thinking? Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21247-0
02:35:34.003 --> 02:35:34.933
That's what I was.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21274-0
02:35:36.353 --> 02:35:40.346
I I would just. I would just
wondering if you read lined this

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21274-1
02:35:40.346 --> 02:35:42.213
I guess is one way to say it.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21300-0
02:35:42.683 --> 02:35:45.341
Uh-huh. That would be a good a
good thing to do. Cause, right?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21300-1
02:35:45.341 --> 02:35:47.830
That would help anyone trying to
go back through it. If we

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21300-2
02:35:47.830 --> 02:35:49.433
redline changes, that's a great
idea.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21309-0
02:35:49.863 --> 02:35:54.973
OK, it in I know it does. It
helps me get my information.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21318-0
02:35:56.253 --> 02:36:00.223
Better organized. When I do
something like that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21323-0
02:36:01.983 --> 02:36:03.303
Well, good. Thank you.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21333-0
02:36:14.323 --> 02:36:16.473
The next round of this decisions
will.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21336-0
02:36:20.623 --> 02:36:21.803
Hopefully.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21339-0
02:36:23.123 --> 02:36:23.873
Only this week.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21342-0
02:36:25.563 --> 02:36:26.243
It's next week.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21354-0
02:36:27.603 --> 02:36:31.033
So it'd be next week. Hopefully
it lost in Brian's e-mail.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21356-0
02:36:31.913 --> 02:36:32.573
He's awesome.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21358-0
02:36:32.793 --> 02:36:33.133


279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21360-0
02:36:33.243 --> 02:36:33.593
Actually.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21365-0
02:36:34.913 --> 02:36:36.303
Hopefully by the end of next
week.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21374-0
02:36:36.893 --> 02:36:39.443
But no, the meeting is next
Tuesday next Tuesday.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21390-0
02:36:39.603 --> 02:36:44.586
We have that meeting. Yeah. Ohh.
Seven days. Wait another game.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21390-1
02:36:44.586 --> 02:36:46.843
That would be the 14th. Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21418-0
02:36:48.203 --> 02:36:52.094
The next one is. This is the
next one easier. The from now on

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21418-1
02:36:52.094 --> 02:36:56.110
it's a lot more about like what
makes sense to do as opposed to

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21418-2
02:36:56.110 --> 02:36:56.423
like.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21486-0
02:36:57.803 --> 02:37:01.041
This is the most technical one.
We'll get it out the other one.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21486-1
02:37:01.041 --> 02:37:04.077
So like, what do you wanna do
here? We'll get it out by the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21486-2
02:37:04.077 --> 02:37:07.315
end of this week. OK. Yeah, you
better. Right? So, right. Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21486-3
02:37:07.315 --> 02:37:10.199
Sorry. Sorry. There's, like,
some reason I had a week in

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21486-4
02:37:10.199 --> 02:37:13.335
between here and there. Yeah,
you did that earlier too. Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21486-5
02:37:13.335 --> 02:37:16.421
So, yeah. I just wanna make sure
that we have enough time to

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02:37:16.421 --> 02:37:19.153
prepare our comments. Yeah.
Yeah. Sorry we've been.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21489-0
02:37:20.203 --> 02:37:20.993
Yeah, because.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21503-0
02:37:21.873 --> 02:37:24.673
That's the format for the first
meeting right into this

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21503-1
02:37:24.673 --> 02:37:25.823
testifying. Yeah, yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21527-0
02:37:27.143 --> 02:37:30.374
So yeah, there are there. They
should be pretty quick. So

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21527-1
02:37:30.374 --> 02:37:33.939
they'll we'll make it a point to
be quick. We'll definitely get

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02:37:33.939 --> 02:37:35.053
out by Friday, yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21531-0
02:37:37.123 --> 02:37:38.463
Sooner if possible.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21537-0
02:37:40.723 --> 02:37:42.283
Is it? Is it possible to?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21540-0
02:37:43.033 --> 02:37:43.683
But the.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21561-0
02:37:44.933 --> 02:37:48.240
Kind of. The content between
meetings or not, like, could it

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21561-1
02:37:48.240 --> 02:37:51.383
be more discussion based for
that first meeting and then?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21588-0
02:37:52.243 --> 02:37:55.866
You know, responding to comments
and asking questions of comments

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21588-1
02:37:55.866 --> 02:37:58.776
and doing kind of the the
testimonials in the second

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02:37:58.776 --> 02:37:59.873
meeting, would that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21606-0
02:38:01.243 --> 02:38:04.255
What that does that work? I know
you have a certain structure

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21606-1
02:38:04.255 --> 02:38:07.121
that you have to adhere to
before in the same order. Comma

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02:38:07.121 --> 02:38:08.043
conversations, but.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21636-0
02:38:09.073 --> 02:38:11.581
But we don't really have a
certain structure. We sort of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21636-1
02:38:11.581 --> 02:38:14.352
thought it made sense to, like,
hear what everybody had to say

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21636-2
02:38:14.352 --> 02:38:16.992
and then discuss. But yeah,
here. Yeah, I guess that was a,

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21636-3
02:38:16.992 --> 02:38:18.883
you know, this is our background
document.

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02:38:19.993 --> 02:38:24.823
People give us what they feel
are relevant.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21651-0
02:38:25.673 --> 02:38:28.413
Testimony from the topics and we
get that in writing.

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02:38:29.273 --> 02:38:32.827
And then people have a chance to
look over that for the actuals

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02:38:32.827 --> 02:38:35.603
for the second meeting, where
then there's actual

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21681-2
02:38:35.603 --> 02:38:39.101
conversation. Yeah. So that was
the format. Yeah. Does it make

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21681-3
02:38:39.101 --> 02:38:40.433
more sense to switch it?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21692-0
02:38:42.123 --> 02:38:45.497
We can't really think that's OK,
it just it just seems like you

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21692-1
02:38:45.497 --> 02:38:45.813
can't.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21712-0
02:38:47.313 --> 02:38:49.979
It would seem hard to this
because I would think that a

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21712-1
02:38:49.979 --> 02:38:52.644
good discussion, unless you've
got a chance to see what

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02:38:52.644 --> 02:38:53.643
everybody's actually.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21721-0
02:38:54.603 --> 02:38:58.183
Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21727-0
02:38:59.373 --> 02:39:00.763
And Tony, is that your?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21731-0
02:39:00.873 --> 02:39:01.503
So hopefully.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21754-0
02:39:03.413 --> 02:39:07.393
Yeah. Think. OK. Yeah, we'll be.
We'll we're we realize that we

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21754-1
02:39:07.393 --> 02:39:11.373
haven't been particularly good
and we're sorry we'll do better.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21759-0
02:39:12.603 --> 02:39:13.893
So getting those out earlier.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21771-0
02:39:22.253 --> 02:39:25.782
Comment and difficult. It's
tough between first meeting when

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21771-1
02:39:25.782 --> 02:39:26.823
you make comments.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21790-0
02:39:27.583 --> 02:39:29.724
To the second meeting, where
you're talking about the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21790-1
02:39:29.724 --> 02:39:31.983
substantive issues to remember
what folks said and like.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21795-0
02:39:33.333 --> 02:39:34.603
It makes sense to kind of.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21820-0
02:39:35.363 --> 02:39:38.666
Switch the two together and work
through different buckets of

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21820-1
02:39:38.666 --> 02:39:41.756
issues within the sub issue.
What's the next one? Audits.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21820-2
02:39:41.756 --> 02:39:43.673
Yeah, we're right?
Readily recyclable.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21829-0
02:39:44.483 --> 02:39:46.793
You're talking two goals are
goals.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21842-0
02:39:47.883 --> 02:39:52.653
Yeah. The big thing, just select
the first one you could do.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21845-0
02:39:53.433 --> 02:39:54.423
Program goals.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21854-0
02:39:55.233 --> 02:39:57.193
You'll come here. What? We think
they should be.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21861-0
02:39:58.273 --> 02:40:00.463
And killing the discussion and.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21865-0
02:40:01.633 --> 02:40:02.443
Next meeting too.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21873-0
02:40:03.763 --> 02:40:05.313
I mean, only can take that.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21886-0
02:40:06.153 --> 02:40:08.803
As much time around and ready to
play ball.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21930-0
02:40:09.553 --> 02:40:12.558
And different meanings. So you
kind of have more cohesive

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21930-1
02:40:12.558 --> 02:40:15.925
dialogue, because otherwise it's
it. It does feel like sometimes

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21930-2
02:40:15.925 --> 02:40:19.188
show up to testify them are done
and have two coming.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21930-3
02:40:19.188 --> 02:40:22.192
Yeah. You know, rather than kind
of seeing it, seeing the

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21930-4
02:40:22.192 --> 02:40:23.953
discussion through on that
issue.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21947-0
02:40:25.143 --> 02:40:27.975
Might be just a suggestion as
opposed to going home and

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21947-1
02:40:27.975 --> 02:40:29.593
forgetting and then coming back.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21949-0
02:40:30.213 --> 02:40:30.563
Also.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21957-0
02:40:31.873 --> 02:40:34.647
OK, we'll give that to the yeah.
Yeah, it's an interest. That's

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21957-1
02:40:34.647 --> 02:40:34.863
good.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21963-0
02:40:36.773 --> 02:40:37.933
And what's the time frame?

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21981-0
02:40:39.513 --> 02:40:44.419
No. April's you're free. Wait,
no March. April. Yeah. April's

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21981-1
02:40:44.419 --> 02:40:47.663
free. Then May then June is free.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21999-0
02:40:52.693 --> 02:40:56.213
This one, this one should be a
 Yeah, right.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/21999-1
02:40:56.213 --> 02:40:59.213
No, that's right. That's yeah.
Yeah, we have. Yeah.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/22006-0
02:41:01.873 --> 02:41:03.603
I make a motion that we adjourn.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/22014-0
02:41:04.623 --> 02:41:06.013
Sorry Tony. Thank you.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/22016-0
02:41:06.253 --> 02:41:07.393
No problem.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/22042-0
02:41:08.193 --> 02:41:11.347
OK. Well, thanks everybody.
Thanks everyone. Thank you. So

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/22042-1
02:41:11.347 --> 02:41:14.768
well keep you posted with one of
the transcripts and recordings

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/22042-2
02:41:14.768 --> 02:41:15.783
are available, yes.

279be57d-7a56-4398-bcd1-c2faf7b796ae/22053-0
02:41:17.743 --> 02:41:20.153
That's a lot of work, folks.
Thank you very much.