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I'm just gonna quickly check if you all
can hear us.
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If so can I get a thumbs up?
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Thank you.
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Well thanks for being here.
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We'll go ahead and get started in 4
minutes.
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You do have the ability to unmute
yourself.
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At your mail.
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If you have the need to do so?
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Yeah we'll wait till 10:00 o'clock before
we.
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Get things officially started.
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Morning.
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I'll go off Mike and camera.
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Hang.
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Now let's chat.
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Why he does it all at once?
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That's.
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Morning we're in the process of admitting
everybody and we'll get started at 10:00.
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Morning.
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Morning everyone.
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We're in the process of admitting
everybody.
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We'll get started at 10:00.
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Think don't roll.
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Morning.
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It's just like that smoke.
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Have you looked at a smoke radar?
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Gosh it's like a perfect full in the
middle of Canada.
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All right.
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Good morning.
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It is 10:00 o'clock.
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We'll go ahead and get started.
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I have some opening remarks and then
we'll provide a structure for the 2 hour
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meeting and then we'll just dive right in.
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So thank you for joining us some of you
have been with us throughout this entire
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process.
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So we appreciate you.
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Returning and and continuing to
participate through it all.
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I'll start by introducing myself.
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I'm Jessica nado.
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I'm one of the 2 staff members
implementing the main stewardship program
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for packaging.
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I'll just refer to it as the program here
on out.
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I'm joined by Kayla Misha the second
staff member implementing the program.
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And also Brian benavsky the supervisor of
recycling programs here at DUP.
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Attending virtual meetings is likely
familiar to the majority of us but just a
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reminder please mute your mic when you're
not speaking.
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The chat is disabled for the meeting so
if you.
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It.
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Have a question or comment?
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Please use the raise hand feature and
we'll call on you in the order in which
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your hand is raised.
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So you do have access to freely unmute
yourself when the time comes to speak.
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Try to find a quiet space to minimize
background noise.
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Keep your camera on if you're comfortable.
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This helps us stay connected and please
be respectful of time and let others
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finish before jumping in.
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OK so.
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During this informal rulemaking process
we have released a draft initial
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packaging material types list known as
the first draft list to the now over 800
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stakeholder member listserv at the end of
March of this year.
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And then we held 2 stakeholder meetings
in April and we received 50 written
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comments from stakeholders at the end of
that comment period.
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Last week we released the second draft
initial packaging material types list and
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as the draft second draft list and along
with the release of that list we prepared
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a background document.
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That outlines the most frequently
received comments from stakeholders
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during the first draft list.
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And the department 's response to these
comments including links to supporting
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documents.
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So just to recap this was in the
background document as well but the
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comments that we most frequently received
were a request to align the packaging
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material types with other states producer
reporting categories to facilitate
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producer compliance.
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We also most frequently received a
request for a scoring sheet to to provide
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some transparency on how packaging
material types were evaluated with
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respect to the readily recyclable
criteria.
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And lastly.
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We received a request to reevaluate the
molded fiber packaging material.
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Specifically with respect to its readily
recyclable designation.
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So the supporting documents which are all
accessible through the background
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document which is archived on the program
's website.
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Include a Colorado comparison document
which highlights the alignment with the
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producer reporting category.
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In the Colorado program which are in in
the majority similar to those in the
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Oregon program we've also included a
readily recyclable changes document which
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outlines the changes to the readily
recyclable designations that resulted
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from the changes.
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From the first draft to the second draft
and we have a readily recyclable
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designation scoring which provides the
transparency to stakeholders.
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Indicating where there is still a need
for information to be collected in order
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to evaluate the readily recyclable
designation.
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So in order to ensure we address all the
base materials in the second draft list
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during this meeting we'll start at the
top and discuss the base materials in the
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order which they are listed and if
there's no questions at this time we'd go
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ahead and get started.
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Yeah if anybody has a question at any
point or just wants to chime in just
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raise your hand using the raise hand
feature which is that might be at the top
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for your display screen.
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And Yep we'll call on you in the order in
which your hand is raised.
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Does anybody have anything to say before
we start?
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No other my job Robert Locke.
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OK.
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Oh great.
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Hi everyone.
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Thanks for taking my question. Quick,
could you just provide take a minute or
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two just to provide an overview of kind
of like where we are with the timeline
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kind of major milestones just to kind of
Orient the stakeholders here to the
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process, that'd be really helpful.
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Well, thank you.
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I I did have that saved for the wrap up
comments but I can.
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I can briefly give us the context for.
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Others especially since it would be
helpful so we adopted the program rules
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in December of last year and since the
adoption of the program rules we have
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been working on appendix a which.
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Is included in the program rules which
will be the initial?
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Packaging material types list this list
includes.
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Packaging material types that will be
used by producers to report to the
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stewardship organization for this program
and in that list is also the readily
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recyclable designations.
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The criteria for readily recyclable is in
the rule.
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So upon.
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Completing the informal rule making
process for appendix a.
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Which is where we're at right now?
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We'll initiate a formal rulemaking
process that will happen at the end of
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next month to meet the 270 day.
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Mark that we had put in Rule.
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We are also working.
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Concurrently on developing the
comprehensive RFP for the stewardship
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organization which.
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Is expected to be released in late fall
of this year?
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After the release of the RFP we'll still
be moving through the formal rulemaking
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process for appendix A and.
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We will then initiate producer outreach.
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Then.
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And going into 2026 we're gonna expect to
be contracting with the SO and.
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Once we contract with the SO then another
cascade of events is.
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To come so in spring of 2026.
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After contracting with the so there will
need to be.
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The needs assessment will get conducted.
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Audits cost studies.
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We'll find ourselves in summer after the
Esso establishes a start up registration
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and reporting mechanism and collects
startup fees.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1689-0
00:12:55.549 --> 00:12:58.029
On the summer of 2026 next year.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1731-0
00:12:58.419 --> 00:13:03.830
There is one it's scheduled that
producers will be invoiced for the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1731-1
00:13:03.830 --> 00:13:09.958
estimates of the packaging material
produced for those start up registration
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1731-2
00:13:09.958 --> 00:13:13.619
fees the fall of 2026 will be when the
first.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1741-0
00:13:14.629 --> 00:13:17.389
Producer invoice payments are due.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1751-0
00:13:19.349 --> 00:13:23.029
And then it goes into more detail we're
looking at.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1759-0
00:13:24.789 --> 00:13:27.269
September first 2027.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1783-0
00:13:27.979 --> 00:13:34.918
So a year from 2 years from next month is
when the first complete producer payments
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1783-1
00:13:34.918 --> 00:13:35.579
are due.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1812-0
00:13:36.059 --> 00:13:41.811
So the first payment that is due next
year is the start up payment which just
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1812-1
00:13:41.811 --> 00:13:46.899
requires an estimate on behalf of
producers reporting to the SO but.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1837-0
00:13:47.949 --> 00:13:53.535
More detailed reporting will be required
in 2027 and then municipalities will
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1837-1
00:13:53.535 --> 00:13:56.829
receive their first reimbursement in
October.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1854-0
00:13:57.139 --> 00:14:04.019
Of 2027 so there is a detailed timeline
of the program on the website.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1861-0
00:14:04.139 --> 00:14:06.339
I I'll just leave it at that for now.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1876-0
00:14:06.339 --> 00:14:11.659
It does address more of the producer side
of it which we understand is important.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1868-0
00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:08.840
That's great.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1881-0
00:14:13.690 --> 00:14:14.250
Thanks Kayla.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1900-0
00:14:14.250 --> 00:14:18.610
That's just a really helpful orientation
there to the timeline,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1900-1
00:14:18.610 --> 00:14:23.242
and I'm sorry to do this,
but I am trying to watch the video of Pat
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1900-2
00:14:23.242 --> 00:14:23.650
Eiani.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1909-0
00:14:23.650 --> 00:14:26.170
Would you be kind enough to turn your
video off?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1924-0
00:14:26.170 --> 00:14:30.521
Because I think it looks like you're in a
club and it's strobe lights everywhere
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1924-1
00:14:30.521 --> 00:14:31.810
and it's you're outside.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1929-0
00:14:31.359 --> 00:14:32.119
Pretty soon.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1928-0
00:14:31.810 --> 00:14:34.330
Yeah. Thanks. That was.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1931-0
00:14:34.330 --> 00:14:34.970
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1932-0
00:14:34.970 --> 00:14:36.130
All right.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1934-0
00:14:36.130 --> 00:14:36.670
Thanks Kayla.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1943-0
00:14:40.309 --> 00:14:41.509
And he has his hand raised.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1955-0
00:14:42.390 --> 00:14:44.982
Hey, Jessica,
just a quick Annie Hackman on behalf of
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1955-1
00:14:44.982 --> 00:14:45.510
Mayor Pete.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1957-0
00:14:45.630 --> 00:14:46.870
Just a quick question.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1998-0
00:14:48.350 --> 00:14:52.780
In light of the passage of LD 1423 and
some of the changes that were made to the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1998-1
00:14:52.780 --> 00:14:55.678
underlying statute,
obviously the statute would take
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/1998-2
00:14:55.678 --> 00:14:59.670
precedent over some of the the rule
elements from December of last year.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2002-0
00:14:59.670 --> 00:15:01.150
But will there be updates?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2009-0
00:15:01.150 --> 00:15:02.910
The definition of producer was changed.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2026-0
00:15:02.910 --> 00:15:08.430
UPC code some of that in the in within
the ready recyclable appendix.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2028-0
00:15:08.590 --> 00:15:09.710
A rule making process.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2035-0
00:15:10.629 --> 00:15:11.829
You're right on it Andy.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2046-0
00:15:11.829 --> 00:15:14.989
Thanks I that I knew I was missing
something there.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2068-0
00:15:15.269 --> 00:15:23.928
Yes so with the recent passage of 1423 we
do have to amend program rules and we
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2068-1
00:15:23.928 --> 00:15:24.469
have.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2105-0
00:15:25.479 --> 00:15:30.651
Been we had a consultation with the
office of the commissioner and we are
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2105-1
00:15:30.651 --> 00:15:36.312
going to be able to do one rulemaking for
both appendix A and the changes to the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2105-2
00:15:36.312 --> 00:15:38.199
rule that result from 1423.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2109-0
00:15:38.869 --> 00:15:39.709
Great question.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2111-0
00:15:39.709 --> 00:15:40.549
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2116-0
00:15:42.779 --> 00:15:43.659
Samantha.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2127-0
00:15:45.140 --> 00:15:47.420
Hi. Thanks.
Samantha Kaplman from tetrapac.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2139-0
00:15:47.420 --> 00:15:51.460
I'm just wondering if you could lay out
the timeline you know.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2147-0
00:15:51.460 --> 00:15:54.660
I know we've had some back and forth via
e-mail, but I'm trying to figure out.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2175-0
00:15:56.190 --> 00:16:00.589
For answering some questions and trying
to provide you some information,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2175-1
00:16:00.589 --> 00:16:05.350
does that all have to come into you by
that August 11th public comment period?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2197-0
00:16:05.350 --> 00:16:10.138
Will the covered material list be
finalized after that point or will there
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2197-1
00:16:10.138 --> 00:16:14.990
be additional opportunities for providing
or have an extended timeline for?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2202-0
00:16:15.260 --> 00:16:18.060
For providing the information that we're
talking about.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2233-0
00:16:19.089 --> 00:16:23.575
Yes sometimes it can get confusing
because there's an informal rulemaking
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2233-1
00:16:23.575 --> 00:16:28.121
process and there's a formal rulemaking
process and right now we're in the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2233-2
00:16:28.121 --> 00:16:28.849
informal so.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2246-0
00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:34.399
There will be a deadline August 11th for
comments on the second draft.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2274-0
00:16:35.959 --> 00:16:42.753
And then those comments will be reviewed
and will support additional changes to
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2274-1
00:16:42.753 --> 00:16:48.359
the list that will then go through the
formal rulemaking process.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2294-0
00:16:48.909 --> 00:16:55.229
Which requires the involvement of the the
board of Environmental Protection?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2309-0
00:16:55.229 --> 00:17:00.749
So in that process there's another 30 day
for public comment public hearing.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2322-0
00:17:00.749 --> 00:17:06.429
So yes there the list will not be
finalized at the end of August 11th.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2329-0
00:17:07.439 --> 00:17:09.839
And there will be more opportunity.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2342-0
00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:13.519
For information to be provided in
comments.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2341-0
00:17:14.780 --> 00:17:15.700
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2344-0
00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:16.199
Yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2351-0
00:17:18.699 --> 00:17:19.819
Yes Andy.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2348-0
00:17:20.260 --> 00:17:20.860
All right.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2381-0
00:17:20.860 --> 00:17:24.396
Just another question there.
When we enter the formal rulemaking
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2381-1
00:17:24.396 --> 00:17:27.171
process,
you know in in previous rulemakings there
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2381-2
00:17:27.171 --> 00:17:29.945
is a blackout period and communicating
with staff,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2381-3
00:17:29.945 --> 00:17:33.100
would that still be the case when that
period starts, OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2404-0
00:17:33.580 --> 00:17:36.492
Can we still provide information
information?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2390-0
00:17:33.969 --> 00:17:34.769
Yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2404-1
00:17:36.492 --> 00:17:41.429
Obviously if the list changes between
today and a number of areas where there
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2404-2
00:17:41.429 --> 00:17:44.340
is not a designation yes or no at this
point.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2414-0
00:17:44.540 --> 00:17:47.523
So when we see that list,
can we still provide information to the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2414-1
00:17:47.523 --> 00:17:48.020
department?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2418-0
00:17:49.429 --> 00:17:50.069
Yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2439-0
00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:55.500
Yeah but what once once we start the
formal process through the board that's
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2417-0
00:17:50.800 --> 00:17:51.360
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2439-1
00:17:55.500 --> 00:17:58.799
when the you will have to kind of go
through that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2428-0
00:17:55.760 --> 00:17:55.920
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2456-0
00:18:00.109 --> 00:18:03.932
Be more cognizant of of the
communications being specifically as part
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2456-1
00:18:03.932 --> 00:18:05.789
of the formal rule making process.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2457-0
00:18:06.820 --> 00:18:07.260
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2462-0
00:18:07.249 --> 00:18:08.809
During that 30 day comment period.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2499-0
00:18:11.189 --> 00:18:12.069
It'll just have to be more.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2500-0
00:18:12.069 --> 00:18:17.210
Formal communication I think at that
point the comments just get sent to an
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2500-1
00:18:17.210 --> 00:18:22.418
e-mail address that is affiliated with
the office of the commissioner and up
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2500-2
00:18:22.418 --> 00:18:24.989
until then you can just send comments.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2524-0
00:18:26.029 --> 00:18:29.676
Until that that time comes to the main
packagingepr@maine.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2524-1
00:18:29.676 --> 00:18:34.745
gov because we don't plan to initiate the
formal rulemaking process until the end
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2524-2
00:18:34.745 --> 00:18:35.549
of September.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2540-0
00:18:42.209 --> 00:18:45.769
OK OK great I I appreciate the questions.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2545-0
00:18:45.769 --> 00:18:48.009
I know that those are questions.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2552-0
00:18:48.009 --> 00:18:51.809
Probably many others had so hopefully
that was helpful to a lot of you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2557-0
00:18:54.419 --> 00:18:54.899
You you go.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2560-0
00:18:54.999 --> 00:18:55.399
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2566-0
00:18:55.399 --> 00:18:58.239
So what we're gonna do next is.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2574-0
00:19:00.509 --> 00:19:03.269
I can assume that you have the list.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2577-0
00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:05.159
The.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2591-0
00:19:06.249 --> 00:19:09.609
The we're looking at the scoring sheet.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2593-0
00:19:09.609 --> 00:19:11.409
The scoring designation sheet.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2601-0
00:19:11.449 --> 00:19:14.009
Would it be helpful just by a show of?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2620-0
00:19:15.959 --> 00:19:21.559
Hands if we displayed this scoring sheet
while we go from top to bottom OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2621-0
00:19:22.639 --> 00:19:23.679
I think so too.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2632-0
00:19:23.679 --> 00:19:26.759
So we'll go ahead and we'll display it as
we work down.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2633-0
00:19:29.169 --> 00:19:30.169
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2637-0
00:19:31.269 --> 00:19:32.229
You can put your hands down.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2645-0
00:19:32.229 --> 00:19:33.189
Thank you guys very much.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2652-0
00:19:33.509 --> 00:19:33.749
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2653-0
00:19:34.509 --> 00:19:38.389
Just to ensure that we address all the
types.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2658-0
00:19:39.939 --> 00:19:42.059
For all the base materials.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2690-0
00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:53.201
So glass is the first base material and I
want to acknowledge that there was a
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2690-1
00:19:53.201 --> 00:19:59.719
change one of the bigger changes in the
glass base material was.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2699-0
00:20:00.439 --> 00:20:01.919
Rather than separating by color.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2718-0
00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:11.199
We consolidated the colors into one type
and called that glass colored containers.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2754-0
00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:18.705
This was done in an effort to not
completely align with Colorado Oregon
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2754-1
00:20:18.705 --> 00:20:26.048
which just have all glass clear and
colored as one reporting category but to
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2754-2
00:20:26.048 --> 00:20:27.479
somewhat align.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2775-0
00:20:28.589 --> 00:20:37.069
With the other programs the readily
recyclable designations did not change.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2779-0
00:20:37.549 --> 00:20:40.469
But let's let's talk glass first.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2785-0
00:20:40.709 --> 00:20:41.909
Scott 's got his hand up.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2792-0
00:20:43.050 --> 00:20:44.901
Hi,
it's Scott the Fife with the Glass
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2792-1
00:20:44.901 --> 00:20:45.850
Packaging institute.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2811-0
00:20:45.850 --> 00:20:50.450
So I decided I'd go since glasses first
on the list, I'd go first on the list.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2818-0
00:20:50.450 --> 00:20:54.090
What we we support the consolidation.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2815-0
00:20:50.879 --> 00:20:51.399
Yes please.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2822-0
00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:54.439
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2823-0
00:20:54.330 --> 00:20:55.770
I think that you could.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2867-0
00:20:57.670 --> 00:21:02.613
If this is about material that's covered
and not necessarily the way that the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2867-1
00:21:02.613 --> 00:21:05.464
material is going to be collected or
sorted,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2867-2
00:21:05.464 --> 00:21:10.089
you may even be able to consolidate
further because all of the soda lime
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2867-3
00:21:10.089 --> 00:21:11.990
glass that is container glass.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2873-0
00:21:12.790 --> 00:21:14.990
Is the same material.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2885-0
00:21:15.030 --> 00:21:21.710
There is no functional difference in the
whether the clear or the colored material.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2907-0
00:21:23.230 --> 00:21:29.730
There may be down market thing you know
end market distinctions for the clear and
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2907-1
00:21:29.730 --> 00:21:31.790
the colored material, but.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2929-0
00:21:33.470 --> 00:21:37.175
As a material itself,
a beer bottle that is amber and a beer
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2929-1
00:21:37.175 --> 00:21:41.002
bottle that is clear,
or a beer bottle that is green are still
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2929-2
00:21:41.002 --> 00:21:41.670
just glass.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2943-0
00:21:42.100 --> 00:21:45.331
Beer bottles and although those would all
be in the bottle bill,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2943-1
00:21:45.331 --> 00:21:47.020
but we're talking about food jars.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2953-0
00:21:47.020 --> 00:21:50.180
So you could have amber food jars and
clear food jars.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2996-0
00:21:50.940 --> 00:21:55.961
I don't know too many green food jars,
but so just I'm also this doesn't really
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2996-1
00:21:55.961 --> 00:22:00.981
this is about the covered material list,
not about the way that the material is
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/2996-2
00:22:00.981 --> 00:22:05.060
going to be collected or has to be sorted
or anything like that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3002-0
00:22:05.060 --> 00:22:09.420
So I just thought some clarity there or
some discussion.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3017-0
00:22:10.750 --> 00:22:15.350
But certainly it's better than having
each color you know its own category.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3012-0
00:22:10.769 --> 00:22:11.329
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3019-0
00:22:15.649 --> 00:22:16.009
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3025-0
00:22:17.479 --> 00:22:18.519
I want to say one thing.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3029-0
00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:18.999
Go ahead.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3059-0
00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:26.477
So just one thing to add that might be
helpful is even though there might not be
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3059-1
00:22:26.477 --> 00:22:33.639
a difference in the recycling processes
that are used to see these materials.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3069-0
00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:37.039
To their final destination whatever that
might be.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3082-0
00:22:38.639 --> 00:22:43.039
In the main program because costs are
going to be figured.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3076-0
00:22:42.050 --> 00:22:42.370
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3083-0
00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:44.799
Through.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3117-0
00:22:45.269 --> 00:22:53.627
To cost audits it's important for types
if there is a difference in revenue that
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3117-1
00:22:53.627 --> 00:23:01.469
might be received on the down downstream
stream end of processing material.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3120-0
00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:02.439
That.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3136-0
00:23:04.399 --> 00:23:08.679
In order to account for that difference
in revenue we would need different types.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3145-0
00:23:08.919 --> 00:23:11.999
So if we had all producers reporting all
glass.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3150-0
00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:14.719
As whether clear.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3158-0
00:23:15.029 --> 00:23:19.429
Or colored as just glass containers.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3204-0
00:23:20.959 --> 00:23:26.477
The revenue that might be earned from the
colored glass let's say if it's if
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3204-1
00:23:26.477 --> 00:23:31.994
revenue is greater for colored glass
versus clear glass which is not typical
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3204-2
00:23:31.994 --> 00:23:37.799
if there's more revenue for the clear
glass then we're now subsidizing the cost.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3216-0
00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:42.439
Of colored glass with that revenue if
that makes sense.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3230-0
00:23:42.909 --> 00:23:47.389
So in order to make sure that the revenue
is accounted for.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3238-0
00:23:49.549 --> 00:23:52.549
Just appropriately we still have.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3249-0
00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:57.199
These granulations in the packaging
material type list.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3253-0
00:23:59.340 --> 00:23:59.660
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3266-0
00:23:59.660 --> 00:24:05.380
I I I think I understand the the the
clear glass Flint that we call it.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3272-0
00:24:06.870 --> 00:24:07.750
May fetch a higher.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3286-0
00:24:09.670 --> 00:24:13.710
Return on the commodity market than the
color material.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3282-0
00:24:10.099 --> 00:24:10.539
Come on.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3292-0
00:24:13.639 --> 00:24:14.079
All right.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3293-0
00:24:13.710 --> 00:24:15.710
So you want to classify that separately?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3298-0
00:24:16.619 --> 00:24:17.259
Correct.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3296-0
00:24:18.030 --> 00:24:18.190
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3318-0
00:24:18.270 --> 00:24:21.775
I just one quick note,
sorry to take up everybody else's time.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3318-1
00:24:21.775 --> 00:24:24.390
There will be there are instances of
packages.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3328-0
00:24:26.150 --> 00:24:30.150
That really are clear glass,
but that are decorated.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3330-0
00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:32.080
To be a color.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3378-0
00:24:33.870 --> 00:24:38.850
And I just want to note for whomever is
to doing the, you know,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3378-1
00:24:38.850 --> 00:24:43.752
whoever's gonna be determining the the
fees on those packages,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3378-2
00:24:43.752 --> 00:24:48.809
you may want to we may wanna dive into
that more in a technical.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3378-3
00:24:48.809 --> 00:24:52.310
I don't see it as much in the food space
it.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3384-0
00:24:52.310 --> 00:24:53.990
Mostly,
maybe in the cosmetic space I see it.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3407-0
00:24:55.670 --> 00:25:00.916
That they'll take a clear glass bottle
and they'll dip it in an Aqua green or
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3407-1
00:25:00.916 --> 00:25:03.270
even a light amber. Even sometimes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3434-0
00:25:03.540 --> 00:25:08.545
So it looks like a greener amber,
but is really clear glass with paint and
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3434-1
00:25:08.545 --> 00:25:12.949
that may not sort properly,
but that's really less of a issue for
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3434-2
00:25:12.949 --> 00:25:16.886
your categorizations.
But just something to to be aware of
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3434-3
00:25:16.886 --> 00:25:17.820
going forward.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3442-0
00:25:18.649 --> 00:25:20.169
That's a very good point to bring up.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3443-0
00:25:20.169 --> 00:25:21.089
Thank you Scott.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3449-0
00:25:21.489 --> 00:25:23.449
You had something to say.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3444-0
00:25:22.080 --> 00:25:22.320
Thanks.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3450-0
00:25:22.859 --> 00:25:23.019
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3475-0
00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:30.950
And then also yes Scott noted that any
any beverage containers covered by the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3475-1
00:25:30.950 --> 00:25:35.919
bottle redemption program are they're
excluded from this program.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3478-0
00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:35.879
Congratulations.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3480-0
00:25:38.019 --> 00:25:38.339
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3491-0
00:25:38.670 --> 00:25:41.639
Later on,
I'll ask a question about the alternative
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3495-0
00:25:40.649 --> 00:25:40.769
Yep.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3491-1
00:25:41.639 --> 00:25:44.550
collection process, but not for,
not for the list.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3492-0
00:25:42.139 --> 00:25:42.739
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3494-0
00:25:44.550 --> 00:25:45.350
Choose. Thanks.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3498-0
00:25:50.579 --> 00:25:51.059
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3508-0
00:25:51.059 --> 00:25:52.739
So if there's no other.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3503-0
00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:53.199
I did.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3510-0
00:25:53.199 --> 00:25:55.279
So any other questions on glass.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3516-0
00:25:59.879 --> 00:26:00.799
This is the position.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3514-0
00:26:00.329 --> 00:26:00.529
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3529-0
00:26:02.959 --> 00:26:04.279
Susan yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3519-0
00:26:02.980 --> 00:26:04.220
Hi. Hi.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3524-0
00:26:04.380 --> 00:26:05.180
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3559-0
00:26:05.580 --> 00:26:10.360
I was wondering if you had something
specifically in mind for that glass,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3559-1
00:26:10.360 --> 00:26:13.461
other forms category, and if they're,
you know,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3547-0
00:26:10.709 --> 00:26:10.869
Yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3559-2
00:26:13.461 --> 00:26:16.820
if that seems to be a non recyclable type
of glass.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3572-0
00:26:18.910 --> 00:26:22.405
Perhaps you know is there a reason that
could not be combined with the ceramic
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3571-0
00:26:20.569 --> 00:26:20.769
To be.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3572-1
00:26:22.405 --> 00:26:22.670
forms?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3599-0
00:26:28.239 --> 00:26:34.445
Did we previously have those 2 together
and we pulled well I know that ceramic
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3599-1
00:26:34.445 --> 00:26:36.959
forms is a type in the Colorado?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3600-0
00:26:36.959 --> 00:26:37.999
It was for alignment.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3601-0
00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:40.199
And Oregon program.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3609-0
00:26:40.199 --> 00:26:44.679
So I think previously we might have
bundled it but then we.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3622-0
00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:51.399
We segregated it because yeah for
purposes of alignment.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3633-0
00:26:53.360 --> 00:26:56.080
What do you envision in that other
category? Do you?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3634-0
00:26:53.459 --> 00:26:53.819
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3645-0
00:26:56.080 --> 00:26:59.045
Do you have something in mind or is that
just sort of just in case type of
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3645-1
00:26:59.045 --> 00:26:59.400
category?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3648-0
00:27:00.879 --> 00:27:01.879
Can be both?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3661-0
00:27:01.660 --> 00:27:04.595
I mean,
I'm to me and I don't know everything
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3661-1
00:27:04.595 --> 00:27:07.020
there's to know about class packaging.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3671-0
00:27:07.020 --> 00:27:11.580
So Scott, maybe you you know some types,
but to me that sounds like.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3687-0
00:27:13.030 --> 00:27:17.150
A tyrex type of glassware which would not
really be a packaging type.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3689-0
00:27:17.150 --> 00:27:18.230
It's more of a product.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3701-0
00:27:19.659 --> 00:27:22.059
Which products are not part of the
program?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3708-0
00:27:22.379 --> 00:27:23.139
No that's true.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3705-0
00:27:23.060 --> 00:27:24.300
Right, right.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3721-0
00:27:23.139 --> 00:27:27.626
When we say Pyrex that's really Speaking
of products but the type of glasses like
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3721-1
00:27:27.626 --> 00:27:28.939
a borrow silicate glass?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3727-0
00:27:28.939 --> 00:27:30.739
So it's just like right.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3731-0
00:27:30.739 --> 00:27:32.819
Your vase is just thinner glass.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3735-0
00:27:32.939 --> 00:27:34.379
There would be some instances.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3762-0
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:38.935
That's the thing often when we're making
this list even though you might not
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3762-1
00:27:38.935 --> 00:27:41.959
initially think of it it doesn't mean
that it doesn't exist.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3769-0
00:27:41.959 --> 00:27:44.319
But I'm gonna before I go into.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3783-0
00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:48.279
Guessing I'm gonna let Scott chime in
because he may have some.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3779-0
00:27:48.220 --> 00:27:48.420
Mm-hmm.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3792-0
00:27:49.229 --> 00:27:49.749
Example.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3785-0
00:27:49.500 --> 00:27:49.820
Thanks.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3807-0
00:27:50.560 --> 00:27:55.051
Yes, sorry, I thought I was done,
but I forgot that this category was was
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3807-1
00:27:55.051 --> 00:27:55.840
up there too.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3820-0
00:27:57.080 --> 00:27:59.360
We've been knocking around on this a
little bit.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3825-0
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:01.680
I mean, borosilicate is different.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3832-0
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:03.840
It doesn't work in the same stream.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3833-0
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:05.880
Generally, is not a package.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3835-0
00:28:08.660 --> 00:28:09.540
Crystal.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3843-0
00:28:11.030 --> 00:28:13.510
Also, not exactly the same, right?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3850-0
00:28:15.270 --> 00:28:16.870
And the best I can.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3890-0
00:28:16.870 --> 00:28:22.872
The best we can come up with based on our
scouting is that there may be some
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3890-1
00:28:22.872 --> 00:28:27.082
perfumes or colognes or cosmetics that
not cosmetics,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3890-2
00:28:27.082 --> 00:28:32.070
but you know really high end material
that may be in a crystal.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3910-0
00:28:33.750 --> 00:28:37.532
Material that looks like glass but isn't
glass. I would not put it in the.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3910-1
00:28:37.532 --> 00:28:39.750
It's not gonna be recyclable.
It shouldn't.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3925-0
00:28:40.060 --> 00:28:44.780
Necessarily be have any YS on the on the
list and probably should have ends.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3930-0
00:28:47.180 --> 00:28:48.460
Pyrex the same thing?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3938-0
00:28:48.460 --> 00:28:52.180
The only thing I can really think about
right now is.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3945-0
00:28:53.710 --> 00:28:55.710
It does occur in the.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3944-0
00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:55.200
No.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3960-0
00:28:58.300 --> 00:29:04.020
Vaccines and and and drugs.
And there is more ship to home of.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/3975-0
00:29:05.710 --> 00:29:10.430
Self administered medical packaging,
which also shouldn't necessarily.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4007-0
00:29:10.430 --> 00:29:13.819
I mean might exclude it for a whole bunch
of other reasons,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4007-1
00:29:13.819 --> 00:29:17.265
but we are struggling to come up with
exactly what you know,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4007-2
00:29:17.265 --> 00:29:20.710
candles and things like that are products
and not packaging.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4024-0
00:29:20.710 --> 00:29:24.613
So I mean that might be the other place
where some borosilicate appears,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4024-1
00:29:24.613 --> 00:29:26.270
but we certainly don't want it.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4026-0
00:29:26.310 --> 00:29:27.390
It acts like ceramics.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4034-0
00:29:27.820 --> 00:29:29.700
In the stream and needs to be excluded.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4053-0
00:29:32.819 --> 00:29:40.590
Yeah so the way that our packaging
material list is laid out is we have to
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4053-1
00:29:40.590 --> 00:29:41.419
include.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4079-0
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:47.440
All packaging material not just packaging
material that is recyclable and so we
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4079-1
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:49.079
have these other categories.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4089-0
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:53.919
That may not really have a ton of
examples for them but.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4107-0
00:29:55.719 --> 00:30:01.094
They're there so that we can we we need
to cover all of the bases and so others
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4107-1
00:30:01.094 --> 00:30:02.639
just are your uncommon.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4136-0
00:30:03.949 --> 00:30:05.309
Forms essentially right.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4137-0
00:30:05.589 --> 00:30:12.344
Right if we if we didn't have glass other
forms and you did have an instance of
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4130-0
00:30:11.860 --> 00:30:12.260
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4137-1
00:30:12.344 --> 00:30:15.469
yeah some you know dispenser perfume.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4161-0
00:30:17.159 --> 00:30:23.224
Whatever it might be you know then there
would be no type for a producer to use to
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4161-1
00:30:23.224 --> 00:30:24.759
report on that glass.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4164-0
00:30:25.370 --> 00:30:27.490
Understood. Yep. Thanks.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4165-0
00:30:26.999 --> 00:30:27.199
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4171-0
00:30:29.189 --> 00:30:29.309
Did?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4172-0
00:30:29.309 --> 00:30:30.709
That answer Susan 's question as well.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4173-0
00:30:32.580 --> 00:30:33.260
Yes, thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4183-0
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:37.359
And and Andy now you've got a question.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4213-0
00:30:38.070 --> 00:30:42.875
Yeah. Sorry. It's less about glass,
but since we're starting into the the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4213-1
00:30:42.875 --> 00:30:46.512
scoring sheet,
a question about the Murph collected and
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4213-2
00:30:46.512 --> 00:30:48.070
Murph recycled criteria.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4227-0
00:30:48.260 --> 00:30:52.522
What's the justification,
or where did that sort of those new
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4222-0
00:30:48.429 --> 00:30:48.829
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4220-0
00:30:48.859 --> 00:30:49.299
Thanks.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4227-1
00:30:52.522 --> 00:30:53.140
elements?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4240-0
00:30:54.630 --> 00:30:57.030
New or you may have been using them
before, but sort of what?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4254-0
00:30:57.030 --> 00:31:01.261
What statutory justification or
regulatory justification is there for
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4254-1
00:31:01.261 --> 00:31:02.470
using that criteria?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4263-0
00:31:02.510 --> 00:31:06.070
And Scott mentioned you know alternative
collection pathways.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4276-0
00:31:07.750 --> 00:31:10.590
And you know is is that something that's
gonna be scored eventually?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4290-0
00:31:10.590 --> 00:31:13.801
We would recommend that that it would be,
but just.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4290-1
00:31:13.801 --> 00:31:16.950
Could you explain you know that those two
columns?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4292-0
00:31:18.369 --> 00:31:18.569
Mm-hmm.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4299-0
00:31:18.819 --> 00:31:20.619
Yeah no that's an interesting point.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4307-0
00:31:20.619 --> 00:31:23.859
How throughput at this time there's no
alternative?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4317-0
00:31:24.499 --> 00:31:26.859
Well I guess we were looking at.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4329-0
00:31:26.859 --> 00:31:33.939
Let's just use the LDPE film being
collected at your retailers.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4334-0
00:31:35.029 --> 00:31:35.589
We did.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4368-0
00:31:35.589 --> 00:31:41.141
We did consider that a source separated
collection so it it is incorporated here
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4368-1
00:31:41.141 --> 00:31:46.898
but it it might be better to disaggregate
that in the future once these alternative
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4368-2
00:31:46.898 --> 00:31:48.269
collection programs.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4396-0
00:31:48.659 --> 00:31:56.426
Come up so that we're just more clear on
on how this material 's being collected
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4396-1
00:31:56.426 --> 00:32:02.179
and and whether it's making it to to
recycling end markets.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4406-0
00:32:03.669 --> 00:32:06.509
So we were always referring.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4414-0
00:32:06.669 --> 00:32:10.189
We were always considering throughput not
only to be.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4417-0
00:32:11.909 --> 00:32:12.389
What's collected?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4424-0
00:32:12.549 --> 00:32:14.749
But what is processed and then.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4427-0
00:32:17.109 --> 00:32:17.709
Provided.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4434-0
00:32:17.979 --> 00:32:20.139
To the recycling end market.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4465-0
00:32:23.389 --> 00:32:26.149
Yeah so it gets to the target.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4439-0
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:25.840
Yeah, but like.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4466-0
00:32:26.149 --> 00:32:32.053
Material requirement where in order for
something to be considered readily
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4466-1
00:32:32.053 --> 00:32:35.989
recyclable it has to be a target material
and so.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4494-0
00:32:37.149 --> 00:32:42.901
As part of throughput it has to be
something in like the Bale specifications
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4494-1
00:32:42.901 --> 00:32:47.309
for that commodity that's being sent off
that is targeted.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4527-0
00:32:48.219 --> 00:32:52.981
It's can't just be a material that is
like added to get the whole Bale to
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4501-0
00:32:50.140 --> 00:32:50.500
No, no.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4527-1
00:32:52.981 --> 00:32:57.099
market or that they're gonna throw away
once they get it there.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4517-0
00:32:56.910 --> 00:32:56.990
Please.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4544-0
00:32:57.139 --> 00:33:02.121
So that's where that really comes in is
the target material and then as far as
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4544-1
00:33:02.121 --> 00:33:04.139
alternative collection programs.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4578-0
00:33:05.069 --> 00:33:10.549
Those are going to be outside of
municipal services so in future that's
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4578-1
00:33:10.549 --> 00:33:16.867
not something that we're thinking at this
time is going to be part of your readily
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4578-2
00:33:16.867 --> 00:33:18.389
recyclable criteria.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4586-0
00:33:18.819 --> 00:33:20.259
Because it will not.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4593-0
00:33:20.699 --> 00:33:23.059
It's not going to be a municipal.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4609-0
00:33:24.709 --> 00:33:26.989
Service necessarily it's going to be
producer funded.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4622-0
00:33:28.080 --> 00:33:32.469
How will that impact the fees though?
If it's not designated as if it meets the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4622-1
00:33:32.469 --> 00:33:33.840
criteria and the statute?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4668-0
00:33:33.179 --> 00:33:37.658
If it's accepted in an alternative
collection program and they're reporting
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4668-1
00:33:37.658 --> 00:33:42.256
so alternative collection programs have
to get approved by the department and
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4668-2
00:33:42.256 --> 00:33:47.089
then they'll be reporting the materials
that they're collecting to the department
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4668-3
00:33:47.089 --> 00:33:50.979
and their fees will be offset for any
materials that's collected?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4675-0
00:33:50.979 --> 00:33:54.579
So you won't pay a fee on something that
you've collected.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4667-0
00:33:52.320 --> 00:33:52.680
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4705-0
00:33:55.770 --> 00:33:59.089
Yeah, but I mean,
you still would have to reimburse the,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4705-1
00:33:59.089 --> 00:34:02.117
the, the.
SO for material that doesn't move through
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4705-2
00:34:02.117 --> 00:34:05.610
a A designated and approved alternative
collection program.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4750-0
00:34:05.730 --> 00:34:11.329
But if you've got a material that is not
collected municipally but is collected at
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4750-1
00:34:11.329 --> 00:34:15.308
retail, for example,
but is managed by the SO you're still
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4750-2
00:34:15.308 --> 00:34:20.300
gonna have a category of material that,
if it's not designated as readily
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4750-3
00:34:20.300 --> 00:34:22.930
recyclable, it's gonna be paying twice.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4758-0
00:34:23.640 --> 00:34:26.120
The cost of the most expensive,
rarely recyclable material.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4786-0
00:34:27.180 --> 00:34:32.108
So there are there are methods by which
the the SO might collect or you know
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4786-1
00:34:32.108 --> 00:34:36.844
would cover a material that's not under a
specific designated alternative
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4786-2
00:34:36.844 --> 00:34:38.060
collection program.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4820-0
00:34:38.060 --> 00:34:43.594
I think LDPE flexibles is probably a good
example of something that that will
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4814-0
00:34:42.249 --> 00:34:42.969
Right.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4820-1
00:34:43.594 --> 00:34:49.057
probably be managed because of the
breadth of of you know material like that
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4820-2
00:34:49.057 --> 00:34:51.540
that's used, you know from food to.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4822-0
00:34:52.240 --> 00:34:52.520
You know.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4834-0
00:34:54.040 --> 00:34:56.580
Pesticide,
like you name it like some of those
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4834-1
00:34:56.580 --> 00:34:57.120
materials.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4857-0
00:34:57.390 --> 00:35:02.070
Won't fall into, you know, for example,
like a household hazardous waste type of
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4857-1
00:35:02.070 --> 00:35:05.710
alternative collection program that's
specific to an industry.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4896-0
00:35:05.710 --> 00:35:11.744
So there still needs to would suggest
there still needs to be some designation
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4868-0
00:35:09.819 --> 00:35:10.139
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4896-1
00:35:11.744 --> 00:35:17.626
so that those materials that are not
moving through a municipal murf but are
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4896-2
00:35:17.626 --> 00:35:22.590
covered by an SO plan and meet the
criteria shouldn't be paying.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4904-0
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:26.480
Twice the cost of the most, you know,
expensive, recyclable material.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4911-0
00:35:27.169 --> 00:35:28.489
Yeah I hear you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4921-0
00:35:28.489 --> 00:35:32.609
I think that there might be a bit of a
miscommunication potentially.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4939-0
00:35:34.169 --> 00:35:38.464
Where in our program the stewardship
organization does not run alternative
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4939-1
00:35:38.464 --> 00:35:39.609
collection programs?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4950-0
00:35:39.649 --> 00:35:44.609
Alternative collection programs are
exclusively producer run and so.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4976-0
00:35:47.049 --> 00:35:52.412
The any material that is collected by a
producer running an alternative
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4976-1
00:35:52.412 --> 00:35:57.849
collection program would get their feet
offset entirely for each amount.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5004-0
00:35:58.279 --> 00:36:02.961
Amount of packaging material that they're
collecting and so anything that they're
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5004-1
00:36:02.961 --> 00:36:06.559
not collecting would still be ending up
in a municipal stream.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5034-0
00:36:09.409 --> 00:36:14.037
And if it's not then it's a packaging
material so but if it's ending up in a
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/4999-0
00:36:09.550 --> 00:36:10.350
Unnecessarily.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5034-1
00:36:14.037 --> 00:36:18.906
municipal stream then they would still
have to pay the cost for that material to
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5034-2
00:36:18.906 --> 00:36:20.649
be managed by municipalities.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5093-0
00:36:21.630 --> 00:36:27.167
But I'm sorry to to continue to to,
to work on the. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5065-0
00:36:25.829 --> 00:36:28.269
No no if I'm not understanding correctly
please explain more.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5093-1
00:36:27.167 --> 00:36:32.777
What I'm saying in in a in a retail
collection perspective that's gonna that
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5093-2
00:36:32.777 --> 00:36:38.896
that may not be an alternative collection
program because of the breadth of the the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5093-3
00:36:38.896 --> 00:36:40.790
materials that are coming.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5111-0
00:36:40.790 --> 00:36:45.736
Through a retail drop off, you know,
so it might be bread bags, it might be,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5111-1
00:36:45.736 --> 00:36:47.470
you know, shrink wrap from.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5120-0
00:36:46.099 --> 00:36:46.299
Mm-hmm.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5124-0
00:36:48.200 --> 00:36:50.680
The electronic that you ordered,
those are all acceptable.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5163-0
00:36:51.190 --> 00:36:54.927
In a retail drop off,
that's not going to be capturable in an
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5163-1
00:36:54.927 --> 00:36:59.267
alternative collection program where
companies that are making the same
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5163-2
00:36:59.267 --> 00:37:03.607
product come together necessarily,
it is likely to be managed given the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5163-3
00:37:03.607 --> 00:37:06.320
experience we're having in the other
states,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5165-0
00:37:05.839 --> 00:37:06.039
Mm-hmm.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5163-4
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:08.550
it's likely to be managed by the Dom.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5174-0
00:37:08.830 --> 00:37:12.310
In this case,
the only so that's approved and so.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5193-0
00:37:14.200 --> 00:37:18.201
It I understand if if it's managed
through an alternative collection program,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5193-1
00:37:18.201 --> 00:37:20.560
you're paying alternative collection
program.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5206-0
00:37:21.240 --> 00:37:23.400
That should offset the majority of your
fees.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5231-0
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:25.597
There still is account,
at least under the statute.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5231-1
00:37:25.597 --> 00:37:28.553
There still needs to be accounting for
material that runs through the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5231-2
00:37:28.553 --> 00:37:30.200
stewardship organization stream, right?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5244-0
00:37:30.270 --> 00:37:33.710
Because the alternative collection
program may only collect 90%.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5289-0
00:38:16.569 --> 00:38:20.807
That a producer running ATP an
alternative collection program doesn't
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5289-1
00:38:20.807 --> 00:38:25.287
need to exclusively collect their
material like like a bread bag producer
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5289-2
00:38:25.287 --> 00:38:27.649
doesn't only need to accept bread bags.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5297-0
00:38:27.809 --> 00:38:31.809
The alternative collection program can
accept anything of that material.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5331-0
00:38:32.509 --> 00:38:32.629
And.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5332-0
00:38:32.629 --> 00:38:39.843
That material type and and get that and
use that to offset their fees and also
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5332-1
00:38:39.843 --> 00:38:46.509
anything that they have that they're
collecting over 100% of their fees.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5335-0
00:38:46.939 --> 00:38:48.099
They can use.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5355-0
00:38:50.149 --> 00:38:55.235
They can have a secondary market where
that is traded amongst producers to
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5355-1
00:38:55.235 --> 00:38:57.269
offset therapies so it's it's.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5380-0
00:39:00.749 --> 00:39:05.923
We may have a situation like what you're
suggesting but I think that the way that
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5380-1
00:39:05.923 --> 00:39:09.709
the alternative collection programs are
set up that we are.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5392-0
00:39:11.869 --> 00:39:16.269
Anticipating that that won't be the case
but we can talk further about that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5415-0
00:39:16.539 --> 00:39:22.250
That situation in in a separate meeting
if if you think that we aren't on the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5415-1
00:39:22.250 --> 00:39:25.619
same page but we we can discuss that
further.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5436-0
00:39:24.580 --> 00:39:26.780
Let's let's set episode number.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5439-0
00:39:27.500 --> 00:39:28.900
Yeah, we'll we'll keep going.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5420-0
00:39:27.669 --> 00:39:28.189
In another OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5442-0
00:39:28.900 --> 00:39:29.380
So thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5424-0
00:39:30.189 --> 00:39:32.429
Thank you Susan.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5507-0
00:39:33.770 --> 00:39:36.983
Hi, yes,
I was wondering if you could explain a
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5507-1
00:39:36.983 --> 00:39:42.336
little bit more how you got at the data
or information pertaining to throughput
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5507-2
00:39:42.336 --> 00:39:47.690
in terms of mercury cycled and source
separated recycled. How did you get that?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5512-0
00:39:47.690 --> 00:39:48.530
Get that information.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5525-0
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:54.335
Yeah we looked at specifications of the
recycling and markets and we also
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5525-1
00:39:54.335 --> 00:39:58.943
considered the commodities that were
coming out of the source separated
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5525-2
00:39:58.943 --> 00:40:03.935
operations and the murph operations and
we just made sure that none of it was
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5525-3
00:40:03.935 --> 00:40:06.559
considered a prohibitive or an out throw.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5550-0
00:40:07.509 --> 00:40:12.968
In the instances we could there are some
you know cells there that don't have an
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5550-1
00:40:12.968 --> 00:40:17.685
you know have a need for more
informations with an absence of an N or
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5550-2
00:40:17.685 --> 00:40:18.629
AY but that's.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5582-0
00:40:19.179 --> 00:40:24.356
We use the specifications of the
recycling end markets to determine
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5582-1
00:40:24.356 --> 00:40:30.294
whether or not a packaging material type
that was included in a commodity was
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5582-2
00:40:30.294 --> 00:40:30.979
recycled.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5605-0
00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:36.146
Are you looking at the the individual
NERF specs or you're looking at the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5605-1
00:40:36.146 --> 00:40:37.680
published like diagrams specs?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5643-0
00:40:38.389 --> 00:40:43.863
Actually the specs end up there's rima
specs the international specs but we've
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5643-1
00:40:43.863 --> 00:40:49.614
come to learn that they don't specify the
prohibitives and the out throws in those
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5643-2
00:40:49.614 --> 00:40:52.109
specs they just specify a threshold.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5669-0
00:40:52.219 --> 00:40:57.694
So we were left to reach out to the
recycling end markets and get
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5669-1
00:40:57.694 --> 00:41:02.339
specifications that were specific to
those end markets.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5686-0
00:41:04.600 --> 00:41:08.108
And what you're able to do that
successfully for all the markets or
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5686-1
00:41:08.108 --> 00:41:08.520
whether?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5714-0
00:41:09.309 --> 00:41:15.688
Not all of them when there's blank spaces
in the the scoring sheet that's where we
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5714-1
00:41:15.688 --> 00:41:21.222
weren't able to obtain any information
and if if anybody has additional
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5714-2
00:41:21.222 --> 00:41:23.989
information to fill in those blanks.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5724-0
00:41:24.749 --> 00:41:26.909
We're happy to accept it in the comment
period.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5750-0
00:41:29.069 --> 00:41:35.402
We we just where there's a blank space it
just it just indicates that we were not
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5750-1
00:41:35.402 --> 00:41:39.109
able to verify that that material has a
market.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5757-0
00:41:40.139 --> 00:41:41.939
And that it is being recycled.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5760-0
00:41:43.469 --> 00:41:43.549
So.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5774-0
00:41:45.059 --> 00:41:50.179
There's plenty of opportunity for
contribution to this to this list still.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5778-0
00:41:51.829 --> 00:41:52.109
But yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5815-0
00:41:53.070 --> 00:41:58.662
And are are you looking specifically for
where main material is going or overall
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5815-1
00:41:58.662 --> 00:42:03.977
availability of markets and the fact that
those potential markets are indeed
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5815-2
00:42:03.977 --> 00:42:05.910
recycling such material, OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5805-0
00:42:05.249 --> 00:42:05.569
Oh.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5817-0
00:42:05.299 --> 00:42:06.299
Yeah so both.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5837-0
00:42:06.299 --> 00:42:11.387
So the markets the marketability criteria
would look at any markets in North
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5837-1
00:42:11.387 --> 00:42:16.739
America the throughput criteria is gonna
look specifically at main what main is.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5858-0
00:42:18.669 --> 00:42:25.094
What made Merced and main score separated
locations are accepting and sending out
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5858-1
00:42:25.094 --> 00:42:26.269
as commodities?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5883-0
00:42:30.990 --> 00:42:36.013
But they but it's possible that a source
separated location is currently not
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5883-1
00:42:36.013 --> 00:42:40.710
sending a material type out but but that
they could potentially, right?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5888-0
00:42:40.710 --> 00:42:42.470
I mean, it could be that a program.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5891-0
00:42:41.649 --> 00:42:42.289
But this.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5899-0
00:42:42.729 --> 00:42:46.649
Absolutely this list though is based off
of the current conditions.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5914-0
00:42:48.709 --> 00:42:52.848
And and we will have the opportunity
every year to update the list as those
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5914-1
00:42:52.848 --> 00:42:53.829
conditions change.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5934-0
00:42:54.659 --> 00:43:02.379
So as yeah so as more come online we'll
keep updated list on a yearly basis Yep.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5917-0
00:42:54.790 --> 00:42:55.670
But it's not a.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5921-0
00:42:56.870 --> 00:42:57.390
Sorry, go ahead.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5942-0
00:43:03.290 --> 00:43:06.330
So the so the municipalities are steering
the ship.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5958-0
00:43:08.940 --> 00:43:14.277
More so than,
I mean it's I guess it's a balancing act,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5947-0
00:43:09.419 --> 00:43:09.619
I know.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5956-0
00:43:10.459 --> 00:43:11.339
Wells.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5958-1
00:43:14.277 --> 00:43:15.420
I mean, but.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5965-0
00:43:16.059 --> 00:43:17.579
With reimbursement right.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5967-0
00:43:17.309 --> 00:43:18.429
Yeah right.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5969-0
00:43:20.049 --> 00:43:20.609
So.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/5979-0
00:43:22.399 --> 00:43:26.599
So I think if that's all for glass we'll
move on to metal.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6002-0
00:43:29.019 --> 00:43:34.024
And these these questions that kind of
address things as a whole too are you
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6002-1
00:43:34.024 --> 00:43:37.339
know welcome to come come through
continuously OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6014-0
00:43:37.339 --> 00:43:41.099
But yeah we'll just transition out of
class and and into metal.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6022-0
00:43:42.989 --> 00:43:44.349
Some notable changes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6033-0
00:43:44.349 --> 00:43:49.869
Here we were mostly aligned I think to
begin with in the metals section.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6040-0
00:43:51.549 --> 00:43:53.229
There's asterisks here that weren't.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6048-0
00:43:55.269 --> 00:43:58.389
Explained so where there is an asterisk.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6054-0
00:43:58.819 --> 00:44:00.059
Next to.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6064-0
00:44:00.929 --> 00:44:05.449
A lie for the aerosol containers that is
indicating that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6078-0
00:44:07.209 --> 00:44:11.009
Although they are collected and recycled.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6089-0
00:44:12.969 --> 00:44:18.329
They require some additional processing
by the consumer.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6107-0
00:44:20.169 --> 00:44:24.408
In the instance of the aerosol can is
just to hold down the dispenser for 10
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6107-1
00:44:24.408 --> 00:44:24.849
seconds.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6112-0
00:44:25.049 --> 00:44:27.769
So we've just indicated.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6115-0
00:44:29.489 --> 00:44:29.969
This.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6118-0
00:44:30.659 --> 00:44:31.339
You know.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6141-0
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:35.687
With the asterisks at this point yeah
that there's an additional step that
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6141-1
00:44:35.687 --> 00:44:39.799
needs to be taken in order for it to be
considered recyclable facilities.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6157-0
00:44:41.209 --> 00:44:44.649
Can only accept aerosol containers on the
whole if they are empty?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6187-0
00:44:46.229 --> 00:44:52.301
But we we did hear from the the metal
recycling markets that they're very
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6187-1
00:44:52.301 --> 00:44:57.389
interested in having the aerosol cans in
the metal bales Yep.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6213-0
00:45:01.809 --> 00:45:09.700
We also added an asterisk on metal small
forms and that is for the murph
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6213-1
00:45:09.700 --> 00:45:10.889
collection.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6241-0
00:45:12.549 --> 00:45:19.082
Small forms are accepted and recyclable
at the markets but for murph collection
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6241-1
00:45:19.082 --> 00:45:22.349
they don't often make it into the bales.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6249-0
00:45:22.549 --> 00:45:25.509
So but if they did they would be recycled.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6259-0
00:45:25.589 --> 00:45:27.389
So that's just what that one means.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6261-0
00:45:27.389 --> 00:45:28.429
It's just a condition.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6267-0
00:45:32.859 --> 00:45:34.419
I think that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6276-0
00:45:36.289 --> 00:45:39.489
Is the biggest change there?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6286-0
00:45:39.889 --> 00:45:42.009
Are there any questions with the metal
Molly?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6283-0
00:45:41.389 --> 00:45:42.429
Message Marley.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6287-0
00:45:42.209 --> 00:45:43.129
Molly and John.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6292-0
00:45:44.580 --> 00:45:46.100
Hi, thank you, Molly.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6302-0
00:45:46.100 --> 00:45:48.740
Blessing with the household and
Commercial practice association.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6310-0
00:45:48.860 --> 00:45:51.100
So I just had. I was two questions.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6321-0
00:45:51.100 --> 00:45:53.980
1st Thank you for recognizing that
aerosols are recyclable when empty.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6325-0
00:45:53.980 --> 00:45:55.260
That is our messaging.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6326-0
00:45:55.340 --> 00:45:56.460
We support that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6346-0
00:45:56.460 --> 00:45:59.547
I have a question on the asterisk
designation and what it means for the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6346-1
00:45:59.547 --> 00:46:01.605
purposes of the readily recyclable
designation.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6346-2
00:46:01.605 --> 00:46:03.020
Does that impact the destination?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6351-0
00:46:03.020 --> 00:46:05.220
Is it still a yes for the purposes of the
payment?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6361-0
00:46:06.779 --> 00:46:07.859
Yep it's just a.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6354-0
00:46:06.830 --> 00:46:07.310
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6362-0
00:46:07.859 --> 00:46:08.899
It's just a note.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6389-0
00:46:11.869 --> 00:46:16.098
To earmark I guess that there's something
additional that needs to be done in order
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6389-1
00:46:16.098 --> 00:46:17.709
for it to be recycled but it is.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6395-0
00:46:17.949 --> 00:46:21.029
It is considered wholeheartedly readily
recyclable.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6398-0
00:46:21.570 --> 00:46:22.770
I got it. Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6406-0
00:46:23.290 --> 00:46:24.610
And I had one other question.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6410-0
00:46:24.610 --> 00:46:26.490
You mentioned 10 seconds specifically.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6419-0
00:46:26.490 --> 00:46:30.130
I was just wondering how you got to that
number. We we have different.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6423-0
00:46:28.919 --> 00:46:29.879
So it said 5.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6424-0
00:46:29.879 --> 00:46:29.929
I don't know.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6428-0
00:46:29.929 --> 00:46:31.959
Is it 5?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6426-0
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:31.680
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6432-0
00:46:31.959 --> 00:46:32.679
You correct me.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6436-0
00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:33.399
I don't know.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6441-0
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:35.079
I just recall that there's.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6456-0
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:37.559
I know there's an aerosol campaign going
on.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6452-0
00:46:37.310 --> 00:46:38.590
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Perfect. Perfect.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6467-0
00:46:38.590 --> 00:46:40.750
So we'll share your messaging that we're
using in Oregon.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6463-0
00:46:39.149 --> 00:46:39.309
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6468-0
00:46:40.910 --> 00:46:42.470
But yeah, that's overall.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6478-0
00:46:42.470 --> 00:46:44.309
Yes,
we support empty holding that dispenser
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6478-1
00:46:44.309 --> 00:46:46.230
till it's no prod comes out.
Thanks very much.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6484-0
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:48.799
OK fantastic until no product comes out
yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6486-0
00:46:50.929 --> 00:46:51.769
Charles.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6491-0
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:53.799
Right I'm.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6492-0
00:46:53.450 --> 00:46:55.370
Thanks. Can you hear me?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6499-0
00:46:55.919 --> 00:46:56.479
Yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6502-0
00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:57.400
Yeah. OK, good.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6505-0
00:46:57.400 --> 00:46:59.880
Sorry, new headset for this meeting.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6531-0
00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:04.059
I'm just wondering,
did you consider breaking aluminum into
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6531-1
00:47:04.059 --> 00:47:08.447
different categories?
If it had plastic as well like you know,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6531-2
00:47:08.447 --> 00:47:13.600
aerosols and Lye cans and stuff like you
broke apart all the other stuff?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6542-0
00:47:14.729 --> 00:47:20.449
We did not because when we were looking
at the the markets.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6548-0
00:47:21.929 --> 00:47:24.729
The the on the whole.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6558-0
00:47:26.669 --> 00:47:29.069
There was a whole lot of.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6587-0
00:47:31.189 --> 00:47:36.544
Value distinction or acceptance
distinction based off of whether or not
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6587-1
00:47:36.544 --> 00:47:40.709
there was a a plastic component that was
not separable.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6595-0
00:47:42.789 --> 00:47:44.989
Is that that was my understanding?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6620-0
00:47:44.989 --> 00:47:45.869
Did you have the?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6621-0
00:47:46.029 --> 00:47:52.200
Well I just wanted to add that if if
there was a component to the aerosol
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6621-1
00:47:52.200 --> 00:47:55.869
container that made it you know exceed
60%.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6629-0
00:47:56.339 --> 00:48:00.779
That or more yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6633-0
00:48:00.779 --> 00:48:02.939
So 60% or more by weight.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6643-0
00:48:04.789 --> 00:48:06.509
And it was no longer metal.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6672-0
00:48:06.509 --> 00:48:12.198
So if there was a component to an aerosol
can that caused its its weight
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6672-1
00:48:12.198 --> 00:48:17.965
composition to no longer be in the
majority metal but some other material
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6672-2
00:48:17.965 --> 00:48:20.069
then it would not be given.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6679-0
00:48:20.789 --> 00:48:22.629
Metal as its base material.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6690-0
00:48:22.669 --> 00:48:26.789
So what we considered there is that even
though there is plastic.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6698-0
00:48:28.219 --> 00:48:31.139
Components to aerosol containers.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6728-0
00:48:32.539 --> 00:48:38.557
When we were speaking to the recycling
end markets they said that it was not a
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6728-1
00:48:38.557 --> 00:48:44.651
problem for them to to manage when they
were recycling the metal but if there's
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6728-2
00:48:44.651 --> 00:48:46.099
you know differing?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6737-0
00:48:46.929 --> 00:48:49.329
Information with respect to that then let
us know.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6769-0
00:48:49.329 --> 00:48:54.588
But no at this time if you have an
aerosol can that is you know 60% or more
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6769-1
00:48:54.588 --> 00:49:00.194
aluminum or tin steel then you would just
be reporting that aerosol container in
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6769-2
00:49:00.194 --> 00:49:00.609
those.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6771-0
00:49:02.129 --> 00:49:02.569
Under those.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6782-0
00:49:02.999 --> 00:49:05.959
Types regardless of there being a plastic
component.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6780-0
00:49:06.810 --> 00:49:07.210
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6783-0
00:49:07.290 --> 00:49:07.810
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6787-0
00:49:11.469 --> 00:49:12.789
Any other metal questions?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6792-0
00:49:17.709 --> 00:49:19.309
All right let's move on to paper.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6794-0
00:49:19.589 --> 00:49:20.069
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6805-0
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:29.239
So a lot of changes in paper in an effort
to again.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6830-0
00:49:30.829 --> 00:49:37.658
Align which then changed some of the
readily recyclable designations and and
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6830-1
00:49:37.658 --> 00:49:41.029
molded paper is also in here which we.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6848-0
00:49:42.709 --> 00:49:48.745
You know will will give some special
attention to to in terms of how it can be
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6848-1
00:49:48.745 --> 00:49:49.509
evaluated.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6853-0
00:49:49.509 --> 00:49:52.229
So we'll start there Krista.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6857-0
00:49:52.859 --> 00:49:53.699
He's got her hand up.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6860-0
00:49:56.920 --> 00:49:57.920
Hi, thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6885-0
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:04.383
There's a number of questions that we had
regarding the paper category,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6885-1
00:50:04.383 --> 00:50:07.884
but to start,
I wanted to focus on the Poly coated
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6885-2
00:50:07.884 --> 00:50:09.600
paperboard determination.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6923-0
00:50:09.720 --> 00:50:16.151
So last, I don't know, summer or fall,
whenever it was when I brought DP staff
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6923-1
00:50:16.151 --> 00:50:21.036
around to hudemaki to see the recycling
process first hand,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6923-2
00:50:21.036 --> 00:50:25.920
the material that was being recycled that
day was shredded.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6936-0
00:50:26.190 --> 00:50:30.190
And baled ice cream cartoons,
which are Poly coated paperboard.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6975-0
00:50:31.720 --> 00:50:34.452
That is,
that was intended for sale to an end
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6975-1
00:50:34.452 --> 00:50:37.361
consumer,
but that had a defect in the printing,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6975-2
00:50:37.361 --> 00:50:41.934
was shredded and purchased by that
facility to be repulped and recycled into
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6975-3
00:50:41.934 --> 00:50:43.240
molded fiber products.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7004-0
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:49.252
They walked us through the entire process
from how it goes into the pulping machine,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6977-0
00:50:43.969 --> 00:50:44.129
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/6988-0
00:50:47.129 --> 00:50:47.249
Bye.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7004-1
00:50:49.252 --> 00:50:53.292
how it's separated out,
the paper fibers from the coatings and
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7004-2
00:50:53.292 --> 00:50:55.280
all the way to the end product.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7032-0
00:50:56.270 --> 00:51:02.127
And then with LD 1423 to recognize the
recycling that is occurring within the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7032-1
00:51:02.127 --> 00:51:05.430
state of Maine with specifically this
prop.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7042-0
00:51:05.430 --> 00:51:09.710
This material,
the definition of PCR was changed.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7058-0
00:51:09.710 --> 00:51:14.634
To that material would count towards
reaching benchmarks for post consumer
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7058-1
00:51:14.634 --> 00:51:15.750
recycled content.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7080-0
00:51:15.910 --> 00:51:18.689
So on one hand,
we're saying that it counts towards
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7080-1
00:51:18.689 --> 00:51:21.734
reaching benchmarks, but on the other,
we're now saying,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7082-0
00:51:21.489 --> 00:51:21.929
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7080-2
00:51:21.734 --> 00:51:23.070
but you can't recycle it.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7083-0
00:51:23.110 --> 00:51:24.390
Can you clarify how?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7088-0
00:51:25.160 --> 00:51:26.360
You reach that determination.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7105-0
00:51:28.839 --> 00:51:34.039
Yeah so the changes here don't say that
you can't recycle it.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7113-0
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:37.159
It just says that it's it's not.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7123-0
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:40.479
It doesn't have a readily recyclable
designation at this time but.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7125-0
00:51:42.109 --> 00:51:42.229
The.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7147-0
00:51:44.629 --> 00:51:51.591
Right the the ice cream cartoons that
were being processed at the hunamaki mill
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7147-1
00:51:51.591 --> 00:51:52.549
those were.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7156-0
00:51:54.069 --> 00:51:57.829
Pre consumer so technically that doesn't.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7165-0
00:51:59.099 --> 00:52:02.739
Constitute packaging material right so.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7171-0
00:52:05.610 --> 00:52:07.570
So it's recyclable.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7176-0
00:52:06.059 --> 00:52:08.139
Let me just ask you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7188-0
00:52:08.259 --> 00:52:10.219
Let me just ask you this if you don't
mind.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7204-0
00:52:11.059 --> 00:52:18.815
So would hunamaki accept you know post
consumer ice cream cartoons to go through
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7204-1
00:52:18.815 --> 00:52:20.539
that same process.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7219-0
00:52:21.229 --> 00:52:22.029
Soiled.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7216-0
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:22.920
Tristan just raised his hand.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7221-0
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:23.960
He's Huda maki.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7225-0
00:52:24.189 --> 00:52:24.429
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7228-0
00:52:25.780 --> 00:52:27.380
Hi. So yes, we do.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7278-0
00:52:27.380 --> 00:52:30.738
We do have a stream that accepts post
consumer,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7278-1
00:52:30.738 --> 00:52:36.335
Poly coated materials and other mixed
materials that we then turn into a molded
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7278-2
00:52:36.335 --> 00:52:42.002
fiber products so that that is a stream
that we are using and during the time of
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7278-3
00:52:42.002 --> 00:52:45.500
the tour,
we are having a minor issue within our.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7291-0
00:52:45.500 --> 00:52:49.260
Process that limited that at that time,
that issue has been resolved.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7306-0
00:52:49.260 --> 00:52:53.022
So that is something we currently are
consuming as post consumer papers coded
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7306-1
00:52:53.022 --> 00:52:53.600
and uncoded.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7311-0
00:52:54.180 --> 00:52:56.100
And turning into end product.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7349-0
00:52:56.539 --> 00:53:02.880
So then the information that we need from
hudemarki would just be those bail
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7349-1
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:09.386
specifications if we could so that we can
add add maki as a facility onto this
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7349-2
00:53:09.386 --> 00:53:10.539
scoring sheet.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7344-0
00:53:09.700 --> 00:53:10.140
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7356-0
00:53:11.430 --> 00:53:11.670
Can I?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7389-0
00:53:11.670 --> 00:53:16.109
I just wanted to quickly clarify,
when you when you're asking for Bell
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7354-0
00:53:11.709 --> 00:53:12.149
Yep question.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7360-0
00:53:12.149 --> 00:53:12.509
Go ahead.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7389-1
00:53:16.109 --> 00:53:20.172
specifications, do you,
I guess I an idea of what exactly you're
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7389-2
00:53:20.172 --> 00:53:25.110
looking for there to make sure that I'm
providing the appropriate information.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7392-0
00:53:25.999 --> 00:53:26.719
Absolutely.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7425-0
00:53:28.429 --> 00:53:33.902
Your target your accepted materials list
and then any of the prohibitives and out
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7425-1
00:53:33.902 --> 00:53:38.909
throws that would be in any commodity
that you'd accept into the facility.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7426-0
00:53:40.630 --> 00:53:40.990
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7428-0
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:42.840
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7431-0
00:53:43.409 --> 00:53:43.649
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7445-0
00:53:43.649 --> 00:53:50.049
So just to clarify so hudamaki is a
market for grade 54 bales.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7455-0
00:53:51.779 --> 00:53:54.219
Or grade 52 bales.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7462-0
00:53:55.059 --> 00:53:58.499
Or just bales of ice cream cart ends.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7475-0
00:54:01.670 --> 00:54:03.710
I'd have to defer to Tristan for that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7478-0
00:54:01.829 --> 00:54:02.509
I'm just.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7488-0
00:54:03.870 --> 00:54:08.950
That was just happened to be one of the
many materials that we had seen that day.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7494-0
00:54:08.950 --> 00:54:11.950
No. They also had recycled books.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7502-0
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:14.080
Were another stack.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7503-0
00:54:14.080 --> 00:54:14.680
There was.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7509-0
00:54:14.680 --> 00:54:18.160
There was multiple different paper types
that they were recycling.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7521-0
00:54:19.309 --> 00:54:19.869
Right.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7522-0
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:22.880
But the Poly coated paperboard is one of
them.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7531-0
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:26.600
It's considered readily recyclable in
California and Oregon.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7544-0
00:54:26.670 --> 00:54:30.910
In Colorado also indicated that they
accept it there and recycle it.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7568-0
00:54:30.910 --> 00:54:35.495
So it seems like there's plenty of
information to support the fact that not
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7568-1
00:54:35.495 --> 00:54:39.839
only are other states recognizing it,
but it is actually actively being
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7568-2
00:54:39.839 --> 00:54:41.950
recycled within the state of Maine.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7583-0
00:54:43.889 --> 00:54:50.649
Great so we if you look again here at the
designation scoring.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7605-0
00:54:52.069 --> 00:54:56.767
Sheet the information that we are looking
for for Poly coated paperboard would just
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7605-1
00:54:56.767 --> 00:54:58.109
be that second facility.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7620-0
00:54:58.109 --> 00:55:03.869
Which hutamaki may be able to serve as
and then a source separated collection?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7625-0
00:55:03.869 --> 00:55:06.269
So we would just need to know of.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7629-0
00:55:07.829 --> 00:55:07.869
A.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7640-0
00:55:08.629 --> 00:55:13.309
Somebody in municipality or whoever in
the state.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7665-0
00:55:13.579 --> 00:55:19.898
That is doing source separated collection
of that material and then again the the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7665-1
00:55:19.898 --> 00:55:24.059
Bale specifications for for what they're
sending out.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7672-0
00:55:24.059 --> 00:55:27.219
So just to ensure that it is being
recycled.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7686-0
00:55:28.589 --> 00:55:31.949
So again Krista thank you so much for
that contribution.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7702-0
00:55:31.949 --> 00:55:38.429
We definitely want as much information as
we can get to to really inform this this.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7707-0
00:55:40.229 --> 00:55:41.749
This scoring sheet.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7735-0
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:46.438
Great. I have a few other questions,
but I see other hands raised,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7740-0
00:55:43.150 --> 00:55:49.344
This is just such a big pile of ********.
Puddling doesn't buy anything from the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7735-1
00:55:46.438 --> 00:55:47.920
so I'll lower mine for now.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7740-1
00:55:49.344 --> 00:55:50.950
towns that I know of.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7751-0
00:55:52.059 --> 00:55:54.539
Oh victor sorry can you say that again.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7750-0
00:55:53.310 --> 00:55:55.150
Oh, sorry, I'm talking to myself.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7760-0
00:55:56.069 --> 00:55:56.149
Oh.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7767-0
00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:01.560
I said as far as we know,
Uramaki doesn't buy post consumer.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7779-0
00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:06.520
Ice cream containers or anything.
So how would this affect our program?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7796-0
00:56:08.200 --> 00:56:11.907
We would be very happy to sell them
newspaper and all that kind of stuff,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7796-1
00:56:11.907 --> 00:56:13.560
but as far as I know, they don't.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7799-0
00:56:13.560 --> 00:56:14.960
They don't have an appetite for it.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7841-0
00:56:15.609 --> 00:56:20.976
Well that's what I was trying to just
further inquire about because I know that
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7841-1
00:56:20.976 --> 00:56:25.807
yes it's very common that our
municipalities are collecting mixed paper
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7841-2
00:56:25.807 --> 00:56:30.369
for instance where you would see that
Poly coated paper going into.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7859-0
00:56:30.949 --> 00:56:38.949
But from our research the end markets for
mixed paper have been it.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7842-0
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:31.560
Right.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7872-0
00:56:38.949 --> 00:56:44.109
It hasn't proven to be fruitful so that's
why I just.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7875-0
00:56:44.189 --> 00:56:45.909
I understand that huda maki can process.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7885-0
00:56:46.179 --> 00:56:49.499
Access recycle Poly coated paper.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7912-0
00:56:50.989 --> 00:56:56.434
And I guess I just yeah just want to know
how it's getting to them from the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7912-1
00:56:56.434 --> 00:56:57.509
municipalities.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7922-0
00:56:58.029 --> 00:56:58.749
I just don't.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7915-0
00:56:58.480 --> 00:56:59.520
I I have to.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7920-0
00:56:59.640 --> 00:57:00.600
I have to apologize.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7923-0
00:57:00.600 --> 00:57:01.360
I got bumped off.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7933-0
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:04.840
I was trying to move the screen around so
I don't know who to Maki was here talking.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7957-0
00:57:05.350 --> 00:57:10.225
If they were that I missed who it was,
but we would love to start a conversation
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7953-0
00:57:08.589 --> 00:57:09.909
Tristan Tristan.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7957-1
00:57:10.225 --> 00:57:12.150
to get some of that paper local.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7955-0
00:57:10.350 --> 00:57:11.350
Yeah, I can.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7961-0
00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:14.240
Yeah. So victor?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7979-0
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:19.162
We either through chat real quick or
through another means.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7979-1
00:57:19.162 --> 00:57:20.440
We're not taking time here.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8003-0
00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:24.112
I would love to connect with you while
I'm part of our procurement team.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/7987-0
00:57:22.999 --> 00:57:23.159
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8003-1
00:57:24.112 --> 00:57:28.287
I do work with them and try to help guide
them as I have worked in the process and
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8003-2
00:57:28.287 --> 00:57:28.840
understand.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8009-0
00:57:29.120 --> 00:57:30.720
You know what works and what doesn't work.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8023-0
00:57:30.720 --> 00:57:33.800
And it we try to work as a group to get
those answers clarified.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8038-0
00:57:33.800 --> 00:57:38.543
So I know that we have recently struggled
to find post consumer and specific types
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8038-1
00:57:38.543 --> 00:57:40.200
of paper that we like to use.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8073-0
00:57:42.470 --> 00:57:46.534
And so I think part of that is just who
is trying to Precourt and where we are
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8073-1
00:57:46.534 --> 00:57:50.753
actively currently using post consumer.
And I can I even have quantities in total
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8073-2
00:57:50.753 --> 00:57:54.920
tonnages around all of that and I with
the group having clarified what they need
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8073-3
00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:56.000
for information from.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8092-0
00:57:56.680 --> 00:58:01.242
I will work to have that pulled together
before the August 11th date and we can
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8097-0
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:00.439
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8092-1
00:58:01.242 --> 00:58:04.720
happily connect and try to find a way we
would as a company.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8102-0
00:58:04.720 --> 00:58:07.360
I know that if we can serve locally,
there's a thing that we like to do.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8104-0
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:09.600
Sounds good.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8109-0
00:58:10.289 --> 00:58:11.129
That sounds great.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8110-0
00:58:11.169 --> 00:58:11.849
Fantastic.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8118-0
00:58:12.609 --> 00:58:16.689
So we'll move on to Charles question OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8121-0
00:58:18.700 --> 00:58:19.940
Hi, thanks.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8160-0
00:58:20.940 --> 00:58:25.997
So I guess you know I I reason I asked
about the the aluminum with a Poly coated
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8160-1
00:58:25.997 --> 00:58:30.493
is just wondering if you guys are
recognizing that sometimes this stuff
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8160-2
00:58:30.493 --> 00:58:35.300
does get removed in processing and I
guess we already had that conversation.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8185-0
00:58:36.680 --> 00:58:43.656
I think that we had another concern,
one which is we seem to be connecting
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8185-1
00:58:43.656 --> 00:58:48.120
food and compostability somehow in these
rules.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8190-0
00:58:49.179 --> 00:58:49.539
Yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8234-0
00:58:49.790 --> 00:58:54.000
One of the things that that we and other
people in the in the molded fiber
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8234-1
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:58.603
industry are fairly proud of is that we
can make things that are both compostable
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8234-2
00:58:58.603 --> 00:59:01.634
and recyclable,
and they don't necessarily have to be
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8234-3
00:59:01.634 --> 00:59:03.430
touching food to be compostable.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8248-0
00:59:04.270 --> 00:59:09.270
I would also say that if food touches it,
it doesn't mean it can't be recyclable.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8242-0
00:59:04.309 --> 00:59:04.749
Yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8256-0
00:59:09.710 --> 00:59:14.070
For example,
if you packaged pretzels in paper.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8252-0
00:59:10.129 --> 00:59:10.449
I'm ready.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8265-0
00:59:14.680 --> 00:59:17.240
I'm quite sure that's not gonna make that
not recyclable.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8275-0
00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:22.760
So love to see if we can untangle those
issues.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8277-0
00:59:23.399 --> 00:59:23.559
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8289-0
00:59:24.949 --> 00:59:30.229
So currently in our program definition
for compostability.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8299-0
00:59:31.709 --> 00:59:33.269
The IT does.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8310-0
00:59:34.349 --> 00:59:39.949
It does bring in food contact and that
does limit the compostable.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8322-0
00:59:41.629 --> 00:59:45.389
Designation or the compostable type type.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8321-0
00:59:45.899 --> 00:59:46.099
Uh-huh.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8335-0
00:59:47.109 --> 00:59:50.549
To just be for food contact but with that
said molded paper.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8338-0
00:59:50.979 --> 00:59:51.739
That.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8341-0
00:59:54.509 --> 00:59:54.589
Is?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8356-0
00:59:55.989 --> 00:59:59.789
Certified compostable does not mean that
it's not recyclable.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8361-0
00:59:59.789 --> 01:00:02.149
It's just we were.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8371-0
01:00:02.229 --> 01:00:06.469
We've just made the distinction between
food contact being.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8379-0
01:00:09.029 --> 01:00:11.069
Recyclable and and and.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8388-0
01:00:12.589 --> 01:00:14.029
We made the distinction of food.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8417-0
01:00:14.029 --> 01:00:20.255
Contact compostable paper as not it
doesn't have a readily recyclable
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8417-1
01:00:20.255 --> 01:00:26.749
designation at this time but for molded
paper that is you know uncoated.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8443-0
01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:31.638
It that is certified compostable it would
fall under a different type that does
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8443-1
01:00:31.638 --> 01:00:33.519
have a readily recyclable designation.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8461-0
01:00:33.999 --> 01:00:41.638
It would be considered uncoated paper and
so yes that is something that we we noted
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8461-1
01:00:41.638 --> 01:00:42.639
in the the.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8464-0
01:00:43.399 --> 01:00:44.039
Previous iteration.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8471-0
01:00:44.429 --> 01:00:46.589
The list and made accommodations for.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8483-0
01:00:50.180 --> 01:00:54.356
So like ultimately the resolution is
somehow the definition needs to be
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8483-1
01:00:54.356 --> 01:00:54.820
changed.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8491-0
01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:57.679
I think I think we'll look at.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8496-0
01:00:57.679 --> 01:00:59.319
We'll look a little deeper into what.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8516-0
01:00:59.399 --> 01:01:05.743
What the options are to see how that the
whole food contact with with paper could
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8516-1
01:01:05.743 --> 01:01:06.439
work out?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8522-0
01:01:06.759 --> 01:01:09.919
Yep well listen to everybody 's input.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8524-0
01:01:10.749 --> 01:01:11.029
For sure.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8529-0
01:01:12.029 --> 01:01:14.149
Yeah thank you Charles.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8533-0
01:01:15.189 --> 01:01:15.349
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8544-0
01:01:15.909 --> 01:01:16.789
Samantha.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8545-0
01:01:16.869 --> 01:01:19.229
Just to let everyone know we've got 3
people queued up.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8549-0
01:01:19.229 --> 01:01:21.829
So Samantha then Gregory then Katherine.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8552-0
01:01:23.359 --> 01:01:23.519
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8593-0
01:01:23.750 --> 01:01:30.258
Hi I'm a lot of similar questions but on
the aseptic and Gable top cartoons you'll,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8593-1
01:01:30.258 --> 01:01:36.069
you know you see the why because we
submitted all of the information under
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8593-2
01:01:36.069 --> 01:01:39.710
marketability for readily recyclable
criteria.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8608-0
01:01:41.200 --> 01:01:47.720
And we have under Merv collected Murph
recycled.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8611-0
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:50.080
Yes, what I'm trying to determine is.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8621-0
01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:54.280
Why the blanks are in the other places?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8628-0
01:01:54.550 --> 01:01:57.470
So we have. How are we show?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8636-0
01:01:57.470 --> 01:01:59.190
How do we need to show you the source?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8650-0
01:01:59.190 --> 01:02:03.205
Separated, collected, recycled.
We've got Murph collected, Murph.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8649-0
01:02:02.539 --> 01:02:02.619
Oh.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8650-1
01:02:03.205 --> 01:02:05.030
Recycled in the marketability.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8687-0
01:02:05.609 --> 01:02:10.821
We've got murph collected and source
separated collected but we don't have
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8687-1
01:02:10.821 --> 01:02:16.242
either recycled because the bales that
are coming out of those facilities are
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8687-2
01:02:16.242 --> 01:02:19.369
mixed paper bales and in a mixed paper
Bale.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8671-0
01:02:16.710 --> 01:02:17.470
Right.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8705-0
01:02:20.479 --> 01:02:23.599
The cartoons it's.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8706-0
01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:27.999
Been indicated to us that out throw
includes the aseptic cartoons.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8691-0
01:02:23.669 --> 01:02:24.109
It's.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8734-0
01:02:29.950 --> 01:02:34.815
Where that has been notification has come
from because we have, you know,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8734-1
01:02:34.815 --> 01:02:38.430
we obviously we we had the same thing
with California.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8744-0
01:02:38.430 --> 01:02:42.110
We submitted all of the data and they saw
that that wasn't the case.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8791-0
01:02:42.150 --> 01:02:46.023
So we're just trying to figure out what
you need in order,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8791-1
01:02:46.023 --> 01:02:51.011
who you heard that from and how we then
show you that that is not the case.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8778-0
01:02:48.859 --> 01:02:49.299
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8783-0
01:02:50.149 --> 01:02:50.549
It's.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8791-2
01:02:51.011 --> 01:02:53.899
You know,
cartoons are part of the 54 bail,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8791-3
01:02:53.899 --> 01:02:57.640
according to Rima and the the mills that
accept it want.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8790-0
01:02:54.939 --> 01:02:55.099
Yep.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8797-0
01:02:58.400 --> 01:02:59.680
Our curtains because they have high.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8810-0
01:03:00.710 --> 01:03:05.430
Quality fiber that they're yielding over
60% from the containers.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8821-0
01:03:06.069 --> 01:03:11.749
That information comes from the reporting
on the.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8831-0
01:03:14.759 --> 01:03:19.319
What commodities are coming out of the
facilities in Maine?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8838-0
01:03:19.399 --> 01:03:21.559
So the facilities that we looked at.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8847-0
01:03:23.959 --> 01:03:25.759
Are sending those bales?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8872-0
01:03:27.319 --> 01:03:32.202
That are 54 bales that have the cartoons
in them but the bail specifications for
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8872-1
01:03:32.202 --> 01:03:35.879
the facilities that they're going to the
recycling facility.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8894-0
01:03:37.509 --> 01:03:43.749
Specifies that they are not that they're
that they're out throws.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8907-0
01:03:43.789 --> 01:03:51.429
So we would need a different so for merv
we only have 2 MERS and we've looked.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8904-0
01:03:50.770 --> 01:03:51.450
Yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8908-0
01:03:51.429 --> 01:03:52.109
At both of those.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8928-0
01:03:53.359 --> 01:03:59.426
And one doesn't accept them and the other
one that does they're going to a facility
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8928-1
01:03:59.426 --> 01:04:00.799
that considers the.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8934-0
01:04:02.879 --> 01:04:04.679
The cartoons as an out throw.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8985-0
01:04:05.189 --> 01:04:10.765
And if there's another source separated
facility in the state that accepts
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8985-1
01:04:10.765 --> 01:04:16.639
cartoons and they're going to a facility
they're going in a bail to a facility
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8985-2
01:04:16.639 --> 01:04:22.216
that is actually processing them and
doesn't consider them out throws that
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8985-3
01:04:22.216 --> 01:04:24.149
would be that information.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8990-0
01:04:24.839 --> 01:04:26.559
Well let me see if I.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8980-0
01:04:25.959 --> 01:04:26.919
OK you guys.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/8991-0
01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:27.239
Could just help here?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9017-0
01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:31.594
Well not to put tristian on the spot but
we've got hudamaki here telling us
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9017-1
01:04:31.594 --> 01:04:35.319
they're you know that they're going to
accept Poly coated paper.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9048-0
01:04:36.189 --> 01:04:42.129
Are you able to verify here and now that
you know you would process a septic and
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9048-1
01:04:42.129 --> 01:04:44.109
Gable top cartoons as well?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9049-0
01:04:44.490 --> 01:04:46.450
Right 'cause they are Poly coated paper.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9047-0
01:04:45.520 --> 01:04:45.640
Umm.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9084-0
01:04:46.950 --> 01:04:49.172
Yep.
So the the quick answer though is I don't
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9065-0
01:04:47.309 --> 01:04:47.429
Yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9084-1
01:04:49.172 --> 01:04:52.907
believe I'm in a position to be able to
state right now that we are able to do
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9084-2
01:04:52.907 --> 01:04:55.932
something with a thicker,
heavier coating and our post consumer
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9084-3
01:04:55.932 --> 01:04:56.310
streams.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9124-0
01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:01.311
Victor's already reached out,
and I'm connecting the right people so we
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9124-1
01:05:01.311 --> 01:05:03.846
can determine better on what those
limitations are,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9124-2
01:05:03.846 --> 01:05:07.455
as that is a system that is, you know,
in having worked the process side,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9124-3
01:05:07.455 --> 01:05:11.160
I still don't know all of the limitations
and what they're looking for for.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9140-0
01:05:11.160 --> 01:05:15.085
Incoming materials.
So as I go to answer the questions around
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9143-0
01:05:12.779 --> 01:05:12.979
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9140-1
01:05:15.085 --> 01:05:16.920
the polyquatted paper boards.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9164-0
01:05:17.510 --> 01:05:20.049
And our post consumer materials to you
guys,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9164-1
01:05:20.049 --> 01:05:23.321
I will make sure that that is clearly
written. Obviously,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9164-2
01:05:23.321 --> 01:05:26.310
sourcing in state will have benefits for
us as well.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9172-0
01:05:26.390 --> 01:05:29.470
So in this moment I can't say yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9169-0
01:05:26.669 --> 01:05:27.109
Great.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9196-0
01:05:30.190 --> 01:05:33.452
My thought is I don't see why we wouldn't,
unless there's a limitation on our
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9196-1
01:05:33.452 --> 01:05:35.710
processing capabilities with thicker
coded materials.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9199-0
01:05:38.020 --> 01:05:38.460
Is there?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9203-0
01:05:38.460 --> 01:05:39.500
Is there a way?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9217-0
01:05:39.940 --> 01:05:44.133
Well, maybe Tristan,
if I put my e-mail in the chat,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9217-1
01:05:44.133 --> 01:05:46.980
would you mind including us as well?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9226-0
01:05:48.139 --> 01:05:50.139
The chat is not active.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9225-0
01:05:49.660 --> 01:05:51.380
Wow, never mind.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9238-0
01:05:50.279 --> 01:05:54.799
But we will make a list of emails
available to everybody.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9254-0
01:05:55.380 --> 01:05:59.215
Thanks. Thanks.
And otherwise we have other information
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9250-0
01:05:56.239 --> 01:05:57.199
For attending this event.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9252-0
01:05:57.289 --> 01:05:57.609
Present.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9254-1
01:05:59.215 --> 01:05:59.900
to submit.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9258-0
01:05:59.900 --> 01:06:01.260
I just that would be good to know.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9260-0
01:06:01.260 --> 01:06:02.180
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9265-0
01:06:02.659 --> 01:06:03.659
Sure great.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9263-0
01:06:02.819 --> 01:06:03.179
Yep.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9271-0
01:06:06.269 --> 01:06:07.509
OK Gregory.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9283-0
01:06:09.080 --> 01:06:11.495
Hi,
this is Gregory Melkonian on behalf of
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9283-1
01:06:11.495 --> 01:06:12.000
Ameripan.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9295-0
01:06:12.360 --> 01:06:15.600
More of a general question,
but I think this might be the right time.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9308-0
01:06:15.600 --> 01:06:21.189
Can you just walk through what happened
to the compostability and reusability
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9308-1
01:06:21.189 --> 01:06:22.120
designations?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9318-0
01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:25.760
I know nothing was marked yes before,
but can you just walk through that?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9323-0
01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:27.360
You're thinking on how you're approaching
it.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9328-0
01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:30.119
Right they're not.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9370-0
01:06:32.279 --> 01:06:38.249
Well because in the previous in the first
draft we had a compost stability
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9370-1
01:06:38.249 --> 01:06:44.777
designation for a type that included more
materials than were appropriate to give
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9370-2
01:06:44.777 --> 01:06:48.359
that compostability designation to so
there.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9391-0
01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:54.083
Wasn't there wasn't we didn't have the
ability to move forward with that
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9391-1
01:06:54.083 --> 01:06:55.959
approach for the second draft.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9398-0
01:06:55.959 --> 01:06:58.039
It didn't work so we've.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9413-0
01:06:58.229 --> 01:07:04.589
Now have you know independent types for
the compostable.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9424-0
01:07:04.589 --> 01:07:09.789
And there's none for reusable because
those have to be you know done.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9457-0
01:07:09.789 --> 01:07:10.349
Those have to.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9458-0
01:07:10.349 --> 01:07:14.545
Be facilitated through alternative
collection programs and there's none yet
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9458-1
01:07:14.545 --> 01:07:18.686
established and in order for the
alternative collection programs to report
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9458-2
01:07:18.686 --> 01:07:19.349
effectively.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9474-0
01:07:19.709 --> 01:07:26.989
Their materials material cost offset the
material types have to be the same.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9514-0
01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:34.144
So the reusability is going to be more
related to whether or not there's an
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9514-1
01:07:34.144 --> 01:07:39.876
alternative collection program collecting
that material type and that will be
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9514-2
01:07:39.876 --> 01:07:44.359
determined as those get set up and the
department will make.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9527-0
01:07:45.319 --> 01:07:49.399
Public what materials each ACP is
collecting and where those locations.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9565-0
01:07:50.229 --> 01:07:56.470
The collection locations are so that that
will come through a a separate avenue it
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9565-1
01:07:56.470 --> 01:08:02.186
also gives us the flexibility to add on
additional locations and additional
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9565-2
01:08:02.186 --> 01:08:07.149
material types that are accepted by acps
independent of updating.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9576-0
01:08:08.839 --> 01:08:12.639
The the the packaging material types list
through a rulemaking.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9596-0
01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:20.063
OK. And then one other question,
just to pick up off the last conversation
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9596-1
01:08:20.063 --> 01:08:21.560
for throughput, is it?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9601-0
01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:22.920
Can it be an either or?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9606-0
01:08:22.920 --> 01:08:25.360
Like can you have both murphs?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9610-0
01:08:25.480 --> 01:08:27.200
The both murf columns.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9623-0
01:08:27.200 --> 01:08:29.885
Yes,
but the source select source separate
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9623-1
01:08:29.885 --> 01:08:32.320
still, we know but still be recyclable.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9626-0
01:08:32.320 --> 01:08:33.560
Or do you need all four?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9633-0
01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:36.359
All 4 are required.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9630-0
01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:36.320
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9650-0
01:08:37.879 --> 01:08:44.119
The murphs serve a section of the state
but source separated serves a large.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9657-0
01:08:46.039 --> 01:08:46.999
Grouping of our communities.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9656-0
01:08:48.270 --> 01:08:48.470
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9659-0
01:08:48.910 --> 01:08:49.710
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9661-0
01:08:49.359 --> 01:08:49.679
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9666-0
01:08:51.709 --> 01:08:52.589
And.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9679-0
01:08:53.830 --> 01:08:56.710
Hi this is just a question of
clarification.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9701-0
01:08:56.910 --> 01:09:02.021
The background document I think talks
about adding the three separate reporting
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9701-1
01:09:02.021 --> 01:09:06.110
categories for molded paper,
but I don't see them in this list.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9692-0
01:09:02.389 --> 01:09:02.509
Yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9705-0
01:09:06.150 --> 01:09:09.790
I just wondered what what that was about.
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9707-0
01:09:10.450 --> 01:09:11.050
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9712-0
01:09:11.999 --> 01:09:14.559
So the background document.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9738-0
01:09:17.519 --> 01:09:27.178
In Section 3 talks about molded fiber
packaging and it lists 3 different types
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9738-1
01:09:27.178 --> 01:09:28.279
of paper.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9746-0
01:09:28.599 --> 01:09:32.719
And so we have the first one listed is
the compostable paper form.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9762-0
01:09:33.479 --> 01:09:39.799
And that is on the packaging material
types list if you look.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9773-0
01:09:40.229 --> 01:09:43.989
Down it's the 3rd to last type yeah in
the paper.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9791-0
01:09:44.509 --> 01:09:50.832
So that would be your food contact paper
that is that meets the ASTM standard for
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9791-1
01:09:50.832 --> 01:09:51.989
compostability.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9806-0
01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:57.679
And then for molded paper with wet
strength additives or coatings.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9814-0
01:09:59.519 --> 01:10:01.159
That would go into your paper.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9819-0
01:10:01.159 --> 01:10:03.279
Other coded forms and laminates.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9832-0
01:10:05.159 --> 01:10:10.359
And the definitions are not on this sheet
but are on the packaging material types.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9846-0
01:10:10.829 --> 01:10:16.749
List and then the final one is going to
be your uncoated paper form.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9885-0
01:10:18.639 --> 01:10:26.739
Which is up here those certified form so
that that would be any paper that meets
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9859-0
01:10:23.589 --> 01:10:23.749
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9885-1
01:10:26.739 --> 01:10:34.239
that definition would be anything that
doesn't have a coding or a barrier?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9892-0
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:37.519
A non paper barrier that is.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9896-0
01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:39.999
As long as it isn't.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9904-0
01:10:40.549 --> 01:10:40.709
Good.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9902-0
01:10:40.679 --> 01:10:41.399
Contact.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9909-0
01:10:41.909 --> 01:10:43.469
So it could be certified.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9901-0
01:10:42.400 --> 01:10:42.760
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9908-0
01:10:42.760 --> 01:10:43.400
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9925-0
01:10:44.999 --> 01:10:49.999
But would would not be allowed to be food
contact in this iteration of the list.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9921-0
01:10:50.790 --> 01:10:51.350
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9926-0
01:10:51.350 --> 01:10:51.870
I miss that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9928-0
01:10:51.870 --> 01:10:52.790
Thanks a lot.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9931-0
01:10:53.319 --> 01:10:54.279
No not a problem.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9935-0
01:10:56.229 --> 01:10:57.989
Cafferty Alicia.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9936-0
01:10:58.819 --> 01:10:59.259
Probably.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9939-0
01:10:59.919 --> 01:11:00.399
The first name.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9945-0
01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:05.519
Oh I believe you're muted Alicia.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9941-0
01:11:03.589 --> 01:11:03.869
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9952-0
01:11:06.939 --> 01:11:09.579
Yep now we can hear you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9962-0
01:11:09.859 --> 01:11:12.299
Now maybe there's a delay OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9959-0
01:11:12.110 --> 01:11:12.830
There we go.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9966-0
01:11:12.489 --> 01:11:12.649
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9969-0
01:11:13.449 --> 01:11:13.889
There we go.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/9981-0
01:11:14.660 --> 01:11:18.020
Thank you Ali Cafferty from BFH home
appliances.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10002-0
01:11:18.220 --> 01:11:23.585
Just a general question or comment about
the COMPOSTABILITY standards.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10002-1
01:11:23.585 --> 01:11:26.380
The three ASTM standards were listed.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10027-0
01:11:26.660 --> 01:11:33.775
I was wondering if the department would
consider an even broader list of a
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10027-1
01:11:33.775 --> 01:11:39.940
COMPOSTABILITY standards such as the
European standard EN 13432.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10029-0
01:11:41.400 --> 01:11:42.040
Or even.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10035-0
01:11:42.360 --> 01:11:44.200
To also follow what California?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10048-0
01:11:44.510 --> 01:11:48.870
Is working on so that it's not confined
to those 3 standards.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10072-0
01:11:50.879 --> 01:11:57.143
We can make note of that and if it would
be even more helpful if you could submit
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10057-0
01:11:51.879 --> 01:11:52.479
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10072-1
01:11:57.143 --> 01:12:01.039
something to the in the comment period in
writing.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10088-0
01:12:02.499 --> 01:12:05.579
So that we we're we're clear on on what
you're proposing.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10085-0
01:12:06.390 --> 01:12:06.830
No problem.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10087-0
01:12:06.830 --> 01:12:07.590
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10090-0
01:12:07.899 --> 01:12:08.539
Absolutely.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10102-0
01:12:10.419 --> 01:12:12.339
OK Christopher I had some.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10103-0
01:12:14.819 --> 01:12:15.699
People who wanted.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10106-0
01:12:18.170 --> 01:12:18.810
Am I up?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10112-0
01:12:19.339 --> 01:12:19.979
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10116-0
01:12:19.559 --> 01:12:20.319
Yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10145-0
01:12:20.390 --> 01:12:23.949
OK, great.
Can you talk a little bit more about your
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10145-1
01:12:23.949 --> 01:12:29.321
blanket determination that any coatings
or wet strength additives that they all
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10145-2
01:12:29.321 --> 01:12:33.350
fall in the same bucket as being treated
as non recyclable?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10152-0
01:12:33.670 --> 01:12:37.710
Those are both really broad terms that
could have the.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10171-0
01:12:39.360 --> 01:12:43.265
That could have the effect of essentially
determining that almost no papers
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10171-1
01:12:43.265 --> 01:12:45.680
recyclable,
even though it is widely recycled.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10217-0
01:12:48.179 --> 01:12:54.957
So yes the first thing I do want to note
is we are noting in the uncoded paper
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10175-0
01:12:50.330 --> 01:12:50.490
Deep.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10217-1
01:12:54.957 --> 01:13:01.563
forms versus the coated paper forms where
we set the limitation that the wet
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10217-2
01:13:01.563 --> 01:13:05.939
strength additives or the coatings or
laminations.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10246-0
01:13:06.659 --> 01:13:11.925
They need to be a barrier on the material
not just in the material the the purpose
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10246-1
01:13:11.925 --> 01:13:15.859
of them needs to be as a barrier not
necessarily as a binder.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10247-0
01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:15.800
Another hour.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10296-0
01:13:16.889 --> 01:13:23.867
So that's that's one of the things that
we are that we anticipate will will
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10256-0
01:13:18.940 --> 01:13:19.980
Like a webinar thing.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10296-1
01:13:23.867 --> 01:13:30.571
narrow that field a little bit but the
definition that we have for these
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10280-0
01:13:23.900 --> 01:13:26.340
Webinars.
I don't think you have to be on this.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10296-2
01:13:30.571 --> 01:13:31.489
materials.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10293-0
01:13:30.580 --> 01:13:31.820
You don't have to be on it.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10301-0
01:13:32.259 --> 01:13:34.699
Does align with?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10304-0
01:13:36.459 --> 01:13:37.299
Colorado and so.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10308-0
01:13:39.139 --> 01:13:39.699
That is.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10312-0
01:13:42.339 --> 01:13:42.859
The.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10328-0
01:13:46.179 --> 01:13:49.579
The definition of lines but the
recyclables.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10329-0
01:13:49.619 --> 01:13:50.219
Don't see it.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10336-0
01:13:50.219 --> 01:13:51.259
Now checklist.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10337-0
01:13:51.339 --> 01:13:52.459
No they're not.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10345-0
01:13:52.859 --> 01:13:54.179
There are other paper laminates.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10335-0
01:13:53.440 --> 01:13:53.800
Oh.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10347-0
01:13:54.379 --> 01:13:56.179
Colorado program are also not.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10354-0
01:13:57.639 --> 01:13:58.839
Readily recyclable.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10394-0
01:13:58.839 --> 01:14:04.488
So again if you can provide markets or
throughput for those materials we are
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10394-1
01:14:04.488 --> 01:14:10.578
welcome to take that under advisement we
welcome that information and we'll add it
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10394-2
01:14:10.578 --> 01:14:12.559
to the list as appropriate.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10398-0
01:14:12.559 --> 01:14:15.479
It's just we were not find.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10397-0
01:14:15.570 --> 01:14:15.890
I see.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10428-0
01:14:15.890 --> 01:14:21.582
Charlie has his hand raised and he can
provide more context than I can,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10402-0
01:14:15.989 --> 01:14:16.109
Umm.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10428-1
01:14:21.582 --> 01:14:26.720
but just for your information,
wet strength additives range from
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10428-2
01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:29.170
synthetic chemicals to seaweed.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10470-0
01:14:29.930 --> 01:14:34.122
They run the gamut and they have
obviously very different impacts on
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10470-1
01:14:34.122 --> 01:14:38.922
whether a product is recyclable or not,
and I would say the difference between
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10470-2
01:14:38.922 --> 01:14:43.904
Maine and Colorado in this case is that
Maine is leading the nation in innovation
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10470-3
01:14:43.904 --> 01:14:45.240
for what strength add.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10515-0
01:14:45.390 --> 01:14:50.616
That are renewable, recyclable,
compostable and that are low impact.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10476-0
01:14:45.739 --> 01:14:45.899
Repl.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10515-1
01:14:50.616 --> 01:14:55.690
And Charlie can say more,
but you might want to consider narrowing
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10515-2
01:14:55.690 --> 01:14:59.628
the focus,
because simply being an additive doesn't
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10515-3
01:14:59.628 --> 01:15:02.430
mean that something's not recyclable.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10520-0
01:15:02.629 --> 01:15:02.949
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10531-0
01:15:02.710 --> 01:15:07.800
There's a there's a lot of different
materials that that would be swept into
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10531-1
01:15:07.800 --> 01:15:08.990
those broad terms.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10568-0
01:15:09.859 --> 01:15:15.619
But maybe that's what we need is a grub a
clearer definition of what we mean.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10540-0
01:15:12.059 --> 01:15:12.739
We.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10569-0
01:15:15.619 --> 01:15:17.059
By additives.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10559-0
01:15:16.859 --> 01:15:19.659
And now that wouldn't be yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10542-0
01:15:17.490 --> 01:15:18.290
Yes, please.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10593-0
01:15:18.290 --> 01:15:23.497
And coatings as well as coatings can be
even formed by, you know, heat and steam.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10576-0
01:15:21.359 --> 01:15:21.519
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10593-1
01:15:23.497 --> 01:15:27.435
You know pressing something can create
technically a coating,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10588-0
01:15:27.279 --> 01:15:27.439
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10593-2
01:15:27.435 --> 01:15:29.530
even though it's not an additive.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10600-0
01:15:28.689 --> 01:15:29.329
Right.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10610-0
01:15:29.530 --> 01:15:33.759
So there's there's just those,
the broad use of those terms could be
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10610-1
01:15:33.759 --> 01:15:36.210
really impactful for paper in a bad way.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10616-0
01:15:36.659 --> 01:15:37.899
Yeah so I guess so.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10613-0
01:15:37.489 --> 01:15:38.169
Great to know.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10633-0
01:15:38.059 --> 01:15:44.099
Yeah great to know and if some yes maybe
some specific language addressing that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10654-0
01:15:42.789 --> 01:15:48.180
Yeah if in your comments you could maybe
provide some sample language on on what
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10635-0
01:15:46.099 --> 01:15:46.259
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10654-1
01:15:48.180 --> 01:15:50.909
you're proposing that would be fantastic.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10656-0
01:15:50.909 --> 01:15:51.709
That would be great.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10646-0
01:15:51.979 --> 01:15:52.459
Yep.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10642-0
01:15:52.470 --> 01:15:53.150
OK, great.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10659-0
01:15:55.389 --> 01:15:56.229
Charles.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10660-0
01:15:55.749 --> 01:15:56.229
Harold.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10664-0
01:15:57.150 --> 01:15:58.750
Yeah. So thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10665-0
01:15:58.750 --> 01:15:59.510
I just.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10675-0
01:16:00.190 --> 01:16:03.310
I guess what I'd like to add to that,
right, so I mean.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10719-0
01:16:05.240 --> 01:16:09.130
While just state,
you know we're we're tanbark molded fiber
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10719-1
01:16:09.130 --> 01:16:14.447
products here we we're we've we're kind
of on a mission to mostly replace plastic
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10719-2
01:16:14.447 --> 01:16:19.698
and I apologize to any plastic people on
the call but and our our thinking is is
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10723-0
01:16:18.559 --> 01:16:18.719
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10719-3
01:16:19.698 --> 01:16:22.680
that Maine has this this amazing resource
of.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10725-0
01:16:22.680 --> 01:16:23.760
Fiber to do that with.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10727-0
01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:26.080
So.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10735-0
01:16:26.750 --> 01:16:30.230
Mostly what we're trying to do is is use
fiber to replace plastic.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10758-0
01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:34.843
In that, in a lot of applications,
to do that,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10758-1
01:16:34.843 --> 01:16:39.960
we need to be a barrier because sometimes
that's what what plastic is doing.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10769-0
01:16:41.680 --> 01:16:45.320
And we also need to be strong when it's
wet.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10783-0
01:16:45.480 --> 01:16:49.440
That doesn't necessarily mean that those
things can't be recyclable.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10795-0
01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:55.042
I think wet strengthened additive is just
describing a a feature that you're trying
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10795-1
01:16:55.042 --> 01:16:55.680
to impart.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10823-0
01:16:56.510 --> 01:17:01.132
And I think it's not that we don't want
things that aren't strong when they're
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10823-1
01:17:01.132 --> 01:17:03.648
wet.
We just don't want things that aren't
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01:17:03.648 --> 01:17:05.110
easily recyclable, right?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10852-0
01:17:06.800 --> 01:17:09.803
So I think writing it this way is is,
you know,
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01:17:09.803 --> 01:17:15.120
precluding a lot of innovation that could
happen and and in fact is happening in me.
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01:17:13.809 --> 01:17:13.969
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10885-0
01:17:15.400 --> 01:17:20.597
So I I think if there's a specific,
you know this has been a a little bit of
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01:17:15.809 --> 01:17:16.369
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10885-1
01:17:20.597 --> 01:17:26.130
a red herring in this process and I'm not
sure what what strength additive people
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01:17:26.130 --> 01:17:26.400
are.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10905-0
01:17:26.950 --> 01:17:30.640
Having trouble with recycling,
but if if we could,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10891-0
01:17:28.569 --> 01:17:28.689
Yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10905-1
01:17:30.640 --> 01:17:36.501
if we can specifically find out what that
is and call that out, that'd be great,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10905-2
01:17:36.501 --> 01:17:36.790
but.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10926-0
01:17:38.280 --> 01:17:42.662
To close the door on anything possible
that that might impart this feature on
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01:17:42.662 --> 01:17:46.200
the on the product.
You know that that that just doesn't help.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10934-0
01:17:47.389 --> 01:17:51.349
And that is certainly understandable.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10957-0
01:17:52.899 --> 01:18:00.085
We would just need some additional
information on the mills on what they are
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01:18:00.085 --> 01:18:02.419
not what they don't want.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10962-0
01:18:04.179 --> 01:18:06.339
And what they can accept and process.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10968-0
01:18:07.979 --> 01:18:09.179
And then we would need.
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01:18:10.859 --> 01:18:11.179
Some some.
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01:18:13.379 --> 01:18:18.539
I guess guidance or on on what that new
wording might look like.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/10995-0
01:18:18.889 --> 01:18:24.089
Like to to keep out materials that the
mills can process.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11012-0
01:18:25.309 --> 01:18:27.109
She bought them that they can't process.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11013-0
01:18:27.109 --> 01:18:28.909
Keep out the material that they cannot
process.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11007-0
01:18:28.789 --> 01:18:30.069
But take the material.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11014-0
01:18:29.669 --> 01:18:30.429
Take the material.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11018-0
01:18:30.429 --> 01:18:32.389
Take the material with the wet string
additive.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11021-0
01:18:32.389 --> 01:18:34.829
That's that is recycled.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11026-0
01:18:36.089 --> 01:18:36.689
No that's.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11061-0
01:18:36.979 --> 01:18:42.797
That's compatible with the yeah the
recycling processes that are carried out
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11036-0
01:18:39.139 --> 01:18:39.979
With the.
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01:18:41.189 --> 01:18:41.549
Yeah.
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01:18:42.797 --> 01:18:48.841
by the mills because the last we heard
from our research was that some of these
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01:18:48.841 --> 01:18:50.579
you know more embedded.
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01:18:52.059 --> 01:18:56.139
I'm gonna say it was referred to in
industry as the wet strength resin.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11106-0
01:18:56.679 --> 01:19:03.730
Was causing issue at the mills because of
the heat from the recycling process was
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01:19:03.730 --> 01:19:10.093
you know gumming essentially just melting
the plastic and it was you know
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01:19:10.093 --> 01:19:11.039
collecting?
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01:19:11.619 --> 01:19:12.259
And and just.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11127-0
01:19:12.259 --> 01:19:18.857
Clogging some of the the filters it from
what we you know the research that we've
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11127-1
01:19:18.857 --> 01:19:19.259
just.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11139-0
01:19:18.859 --> 01:19:22.939
Right and a lot of again we were looking
at bail specifications.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11141-0
01:19:22.979 --> 01:19:23.979
It was a lot of.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11150-0
01:19:25.999 --> 01:19:30.519
Your freezer made paper that was.
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01:19:32.599 --> 01:19:37.885
Considered prohibitives in the bail
specifications so that's kind of what we
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11176-1
01:19:37.885 --> 01:19:42.759
were trying to target with that but if
we're off base let us know how.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11179-0
01:19:43.579 --> 01:19:44.059
Exactly.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11204-0
01:19:45.110 --> 01:19:48.513
We'll get some more information for you
on that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11204-1
01:19:48.513 --> 01:19:54.138
And just so that you're aware not all wet
strength additives are incorporated to
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11204-2
01:19:54.138 --> 01:19:56.430
impart a characteristic on paper.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11233-0
01:19:56.430 --> 01:20:00.742
Sometimes they're used to reduce the
processing time for paper,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11233-1
01:20:00.742 --> 01:20:05.390
so reduce the energy needs for the mill,
which makes them, you know,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11233-2
01:20:05.390 --> 01:20:07.950
more environmentally feasible as well.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11248-0
01:20:07.950 --> 01:20:11.998
So there's there's many different
materials that can be used in that way
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01:20:11.998 --> 01:20:13.550
for many different purposes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11255-0
01:20:13.710 --> 01:20:15.990
Yes.
So we'll get you some more information.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11257-0
01:20:16.299 --> 01:20:17.139
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11260-0
01:20:16.709 --> 01:20:17.189
I grasped.
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01:20:17.189 --> 01:20:21.149
Yeah and and then we can clarify the
definition of what's additive.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11275-0
01:20:21.149 --> 01:20:21.909
For sure absolutely.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11277-0
01:20:22.259 --> 01:20:22.939
That'd be great.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11292-0
01:20:24.259 --> 01:20:26.259
Does Mike Mike Roxas?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11294-0
01:20:27.539 --> 01:20:29.179
I'm not going to attempt anymore last
night.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11335-0
01:20:28.520 --> 01:20:33.552
Hi. Hi. I'm Mike Ross.
I work for Ahal Delhi's USA and I just
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11335-1
01:20:33.552 --> 01:20:39.720
have a quick question on like 'cause,
we've been talking a lot of technical
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11335-2
01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:46.456
details and I don't think a lot of people
will like like have lots of notes behind
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11335-3
01:20:46.456 --> 01:20:48.160
that. So and looking.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11352-0
01:20:48.160 --> 01:20:53.840
At my company I work for a company that
has like thousands of SKU's with like.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11360-0
01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:57.360
More thousands more of packaging items.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11370-0
01:20:58.710 --> 01:21:01.470
So are we. Are you guys looking?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11418-0
01:21:01.510 --> 01:21:07.159
Is this department looking at providing
us with technical guidance on like how to
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11418-1
01:21:07.159 --> 01:21:12.394
like navigate like if I have an item go
go here or because again we've been
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11418-2
01:21:12.394 --> 01:21:16.389
talking about Web strengths additive and
stuff like that,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11418-3
01:21:16.389 --> 01:21:20.040
I don't if we capture that in our systems
right now.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11422-0
01:21:20.390 --> 01:21:21.390
Or will you guys?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11429-0
01:21:23.040 --> 01:21:25.960
Sent have the SO do that for.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11433-0
01:21:28.280 --> 01:21:28.880
For this program.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11439-0
01:21:31.209 --> 01:21:33.009
We're planning to have.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11451-0
01:21:35.019 --> 01:21:38.139
Start some more producer outreach and
guidance.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11486-0
01:21:39.859 --> 01:21:45.327
This late fall into winter but yes once
the stewardship organization is on
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01:21:45.327 --> 01:21:50.867
boarded they will be responsible for
helping to guide producers through the
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01:21:50.867 --> 01:21:53.419
registration and reporting process.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11525-0
01:21:53.729 --> 01:21:59.177
But right this packaging material types
list it's just going to be the
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01:21:59.177 --> 01:22:05.392
definitions of the types it doesn't have
any examples or like reporting guidance
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01:22:05.392 --> 01:22:08.769
but that will come as a in a separate
form.
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01:22:11.050 --> 01:22:11.970
Thank you.
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01:22:12.319 --> 01:22:12.559
Yep.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11532-0
01:22:15.229 --> 01:22:16.429
And.
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01:22:18.290 --> 01:22:20.890
Thanks. I'm sorry to raise my hand again.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11573-0
01:22:21.050 --> 01:22:24.664
I just want to clarify something that you
just said. Again,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11573-1
01:22:24.664 --> 01:22:29.422
when you're saying bail specifications,
you are not talking about the industry
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01:22:29.422 --> 01:22:31.650
bail specifications from rima or etc.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11583-0
01:22:31.810 --> 01:22:37.210
You're talking about accepted materials
from an end market, is that correct?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11579-0
01:22:33.419 --> 01:22:33.659
Please.
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01:22:37.919 --> 01:22:43.239
Yes yes we we have access to the rima
specifications but.
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01:22:39.600 --> 01:22:39.960
OK.
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01:22:45.099 --> 01:22:46.339
In some situations.
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01:22:48.019 --> 01:22:50.819
In several situations they don't specify
the prohibitives or out throws.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11651-0
01:22:50.819 --> 01:22:55.939
They just give you a percent threshold
that they can that the Bale can have
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01:22:55.939 --> 01:23:01.261
before it's rejected and so we need the
individual end markets to specify what
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01:23:01.261 --> 01:23:03.619
the prohibit is and out throws are.
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01:23:04.739 --> 01:23:05.899
For their facility.
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01:23:12.509 --> 01:23:15.909
Are there any more questions or comments
on paper?
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01:23:15.909 --> 01:23:16.469
Paper.
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01:23:16.719 --> 01:23:17.799
This was helpful.
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01:23:17.959 --> 01:23:19.199
Yes this was very helpful.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11689-0
01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:23.119
We appreciate this robust discussion
thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11697-0
01:23:24.419 --> 01:23:27.899
OK so plastic buying resin type.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11700-0
01:23:29.459 --> 01:23:30.099
All right.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11708-0
01:23:30.099 --> 01:23:30.779
Oh no wood court first.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11717-0
01:23:31.299 --> 01:23:34.739
Oh yeah wooden cork wood wood wood wood
no changes.
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01:23:32.789 --> 01:23:33.629
What is bored?
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01:23:35.569 --> 01:23:36.089
No.
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01:23:36.939 --> 01:23:39.779
Does anybody have any oh really?
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01:23:39.819 --> 01:23:40.499
OK Alicia.
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01:23:44.060 --> 01:23:45.100
Hi, thank you again.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11760-0
01:23:45.740 --> 01:23:53.017
Alicia Cafferty from BSH home appliances.
So the the wood list is relatively short
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01:23:53.017 --> 01:23:56.260
compared to other state EPR programs.
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01:23:56.380 --> 01:23:57.340
That's really narrow.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11782-0
01:23:57.900 --> 01:24:03.512
So is that accurate to say that wood
that's used in packaging but not listed
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01:24:03.512 --> 01:24:06.500
here is therefore not a covered material?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11793-0
01:24:08.099 --> 01:24:12.139
All materials all packaging materials are
covered by the program.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11814-0
01:24:14.059 --> 01:24:19.402
The majority of packaging materials that
are made of wood and cork that we're
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01:24:19.402 --> 01:24:20.019
aware of.
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01:24:22.179 --> 01:24:28.446
Are would no longer be considered part of
the program because they are not ending
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01:24:28.446 --> 01:24:34.330
up at a consumer with our consumer
definition and our producer of definition
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01:24:34.330 --> 01:24:35.859
having been updated?
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01:24:37.539 --> 01:24:38.779
The majority of wood.
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01:24:39.129 --> 01:24:44.609
And cork forms will will not end up being
packaging material.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11888-0
01:24:44.609 --> 01:24:49.486
Yeah the types proposed in the draft list
need to be inclusive of all the
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01:24:49.486 --> 01:24:50.409
possibilities.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11894-0
01:24:50.409 --> 01:24:55.409
So we the way we drafted it here is that.
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01:24:56.379 --> 01:25:00.499
We've all those possibilities could be
captured by these 2 types.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11929-0
01:25:00.539 --> 01:25:07.052
It might not have as much specificity as
the others but again when considering you
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11929-1
01:25:07.052 --> 01:25:08.779
know any value at and.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11953-0
01:25:09.369 --> 01:25:14.596
Of you know the process of managing these
materials there were no differences and
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01:25:14.596 --> 01:25:17.529
therefore we didn't need to further you
know.
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01:25:19.139 --> 01:25:26.258
Further delineate them detail them but if
you Alicia if you feel that this is not
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01:25:26.258 --> 01:25:33.203
inclusive of all materials that would
have a base material of wood or cork then
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01:25:33.203 --> 01:25:34.419
we do welcome.
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01:25:35.099 --> 01:25:35.739
Comments on that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/11999-0
01:25:36.540 --> 01:25:36.860
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12014-0
01:25:36.860 --> 01:25:40.740
Maybe it's just a matter of needing
guidance,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12014-1
01:25:40.740 --> 01:25:44.620
but so for example what I have in my head
is.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12025-0
01:25:46.240 --> 01:25:50.396
Untreated,
an untreated form without a plastic
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12025-1
01:25:50.396 --> 01:25:51.280
component.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12040-0
01:25:53.480 --> 01:25:57.495
Wood that is used in packaging,
so that would just go under the first one
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12040-1
01:25:57.495 --> 01:25:58.200
I'm assuming.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12052-0
01:25:58.719 --> 01:25:59.759
Yep Yep.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12046-0
01:26:00.060 --> 01:26:00.380
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12072-0
01:26:00.500 --> 01:26:06.856
I guess it's maybe just some guidance and
understanding how how broad these two
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12072-1
01:26:06.856 --> 01:26:11.860
line items are and maybe then we are
caught in that first one.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12073-0
01:26:09.599 --> 01:26:09.879
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12076-0
01:26:12.419 --> 01:26:12.979
For the campaign.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12079-0
01:26:15.510 --> 01:26:15.750
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12083-0
01:26:15.790 --> 01:26:17.750
I think you've answered my question.
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12092-0
01:26:18.509 --> 01:26:21.229
Yeah not really that many more no.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12093-0
01:26:21.229 --> 01:26:22.749
Yeah and we're not.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12113-0
01:26:23.509 --> 01:26:27.199
Yeah so and and that guidance will will
will be working on that guidance
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12113-1
01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:29.069
following the the issuing of the RFP.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12117-0
01:26:30.619 --> 01:26:31.099
This fall.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12141-0
01:26:32.819 --> 01:26:38.801
But yes to bring up what you had started
talking about in the recent bill that was
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12141-1
01:26:38.801 --> 01:26:40.819
passed there was changes to.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12155-0
01:26:42.899 --> 01:26:45.899
Well there was an addition of a consumer
definition right.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12153-0
01:26:45.599 --> 01:26:46.039
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12157-0
01:26:45.899 --> 01:26:47.939
So you know.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12182-0
01:26:48.089 --> 01:26:53.918
If there are pallets that are not being
you know municipally managed then they
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12182-1
01:26:53.918 --> 01:26:56.649
aren't considered packaging material?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12200-0
01:26:57.660 --> 01:27:03.335
And I think the example for us as a
pallet would be one topic that we would
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12200-1
01:27:03.335 --> 01:27:04.380
need answered.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12216-0
01:27:04.380 --> 01:27:10.671
But aside from pallets,
appliances that home appliances that you
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12216-1
01:27:10.671 --> 01:27:13.380
know are hundreds of pounds.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12222-0
01:27:14.800 --> 01:27:16.960
Or are not completely square.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12248-0
01:27:18.560 --> 01:27:23.857
They use a bracer bar on treated wood so
that in the clamping process the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12248-1
01:27:23.857 --> 01:27:28.080
appliance is not damaged and also in the
stacking process.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12263-0
01:27:28.550 --> 01:27:33.834
They will stack completely square and
hold up to a stacking process due to
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12263-1
01:27:33.834 --> 01:27:34.750
their weight.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12281-0
01:27:36.140 --> 01:27:41.593
So there's there's instances where the
appliance industry will use a bracer bar
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12281-1
01:27:41.593 --> 01:27:42.820
of untreated wood.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12283-0
01:27:43.949 --> 01:27:44.589
OK yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12293-0
01:27:46.419 --> 01:27:49.979
Well we will definitely consider that
when when providing guidance.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12297-0
01:27:49.979 --> 01:27:51.099
Thank you very much Alicia.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12296-0
01:27:51.849 --> 01:27:51.889
I.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12300-0
01:27:52.899 --> 01:27:53.059
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12302-0
01:27:54.899 --> 01:27:55.739
Grace.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12305-0
01:27:58.059 --> 01:27:58.499
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12318-0
01:27:58.499 --> 01:28:04.619
So then moving on to if there's no more
wood questions would and quirk.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12323-0
01:28:06.909 --> 01:28:08.989
OK moving on to pet.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12333-0
01:28:11.099 --> 01:28:13.499
Resin code number one.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12336-0
01:28:13.659 --> 01:28:15.059
Are there any questions on pet?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12341-0
01:28:20.229 --> 01:28:21.909
Kate thanks so much.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12343-0
01:28:23.910 --> 01:28:24.790
Good morning.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12374-0
01:28:25.030 --> 01:28:29.762
Thank you all for all your hard work and
your great additions on this. Kate Bailey,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12374-1
01:28:29.762 --> 01:28:33.310
chief policy officer for the Association
of Plastic Recyclers.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12379-0
01:28:33.310 --> 01:28:36.670
I have a couple questions about plastics
in general.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12384-0
01:28:38.160 --> 01:28:39.040
But now is an OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12386-0
01:28:39.040 --> 01:28:40.000
Time to do that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12390-0
01:28:40.549 --> 01:28:41.549
Yes yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12427-0
01:28:42.900 --> 01:28:47.421
Excellent. So first overall,
we're very happy to see that Maine has
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12427-1
01:28:47.421 --> 01:28:52.673
expanded the types of plastics that are
readily recyclable and to better align
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12413-0
01:28:50.719 --> 01:28:50.839
Yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12427-2
01:28:52.673 --> 01:28:57.260
with Colorado and Oregon.
So very much appreciate your work on that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12438-0
01:28:58.760 --> 01:29:01.000
I have a couple just clarifying questions.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12445-0
01:29:01.000 --> 01:29:07.520
One is some of the categories say that
the plastic.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12454-0
01:29:09.280 --> 01:29:12.640
Displaying #4 displaying #5.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12476-0
01:29:13.630 --> 01:29:19.230
Displaying the resin identification code
or the resin numbers, I guess.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12480-0
01:29:19.710 --> 01:29:23.070
Can you clarify why that language is in
there?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12505-0
01:29:24.709 --> 01:29:32.956
So that language is added because well to
one align with you know definition sample
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12505-1
01:29:32.956 --> 01:29:37.669
definitions that we received from other
states.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12507-0
01:29:38.379 --> 01:29:38.979
And.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12511-0
01:29:41.139 --> 01:29:41.459
As well.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12513-0
01:29:43.379 --> 01:29:43.459
To.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12527-0
01:29:45.059 --> 01:29:48.539
Align with an existing statute in the
first place.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12526-0
01:29:46.799 --> 01:29:48.359
Alignment right.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12535-0
01:29:48.759 --> 01:29:50.879
The main does have an.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12537-0
01:29:50.879 --> 01:29:51.519
I can't.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12543-0
01:29:51.999 --> 01:29:53.559
I should but I don't know it offhand.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12581-0
01:29:53.559 --> 01:30:00.919
But there is a main statute that requires
plastic labeled bicycode.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12559-0
01:30:00.879 --> 01:30:01.359
And if not.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12582-0
01:30:01.119 --> 01:30:07.239
It's not labeled weighing recycled the
consumer is not going to be able to ident.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12573-0
01:30:02.469 --> 01:30:04.069
We not recycle.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12587-0
01:30:08.809 --> 01:30:10.129
How to recycle it?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12616-0
01:30:10.209 --> 01:30:15.013
And the facilities often won't play the
guessing game like a murph will not
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12616-1
01:30:15.013 --> 01:30:19.249
necessarily play the guest guessing game
of what material is this.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12627-0
01:30:19.489 --> 01:30:23.249
And so if it's not indicated it won't end
up in the.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12636-0
01:30:25.139 --> 01:30:25.819
In in the recycling.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12637-0
01:30:25.819 --> 01:30:27.619
Stream do you see a problem with this.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12655-0
01:30:29.810 --> 01:30:32.785
Yes,
I appreciate what you're trying to do and
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12655-1
01:30:32.785 --> 01:30:35.570
I will look at the existing main
reference.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12667-0
01:30:35.570 --> 01:30:39.490
There are references to resin ID codes in
over 30 states.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12689-0
01:30:39.490 --> 01:30:44.902
There's also new legislation in
California that limits when companies can
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12689-1
01:30:44.902 --> 01:30:49.290
put their recycling symbol or the the ID
on the containers.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12707-0
01:30:49.290 --> 01:30:54.163
So we're we're cognizant of how how
companies are trying to to meet different
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12707-1
01:30:54.163 --> 01:30:54.850
state laws.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12711-0
01:30:55.560 --> 01:30:55.880
This is very challenging.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12717-0
01:30:56.769 --> 01:30:57.369
Yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12728-0
01:30:56.890 --> 01:31:02.576
Ideally,
we do not want that that code is really a
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12728-1
01:31:02.576 --> 01:31:03.690
technical.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12757-0
01:31:03.890 --> 01:31:08.708
Technical code helps us identify the
types of plastics it was never meant to
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12757-1
01:31:08.708 --> 01:31:11.524
be.
A consumer facing recycling symbol or or
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12757-2
01:31:11.524 --> 01:31:12.650
an education tool.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12780-0
01:31:12.770 --> 01:31:15.608
Ultimately,
we'd love to move toward a system where
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12777-0
01:31:15.059 --> 01:31:15.499
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12780-1
01:31:15.608 --> 01:31:18.610
the consumer just says bottle bin, like,
end of story.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12786-0
01:31:18.610 --> 01:31:20.810
Don't look at the bottom,
that kind of thing.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12790-0
01:31:20.559 --> 01:31:20.759
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12787-0
01:31:20.810 --> 01:31:21.610
So I'm just.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12794-0
01:31:22.139 --> 01:31:23.339
So yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12791-0
01:31:22.440 --> 01:31:22.600
It's.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12828-0
01:31:25.419 --> 01:31:31.819
So it's main it's 32 Mrs 1722.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12829-0
01:31:31.819 --> 01:31:32.499
But we should just.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12830-0
01:31:32.499 --> 01:31:39.219
Specify we we we worded it to not say the
recycling indication code.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12832-0
01:31:39.219 --> 01:31:41.019
I know it's at this point.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12848-0
01:31:41.699 --> 01:31:46.765
It's translating as that because it's
it's practically the same thing but we're
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12848-1
01:31:46.765 --> 01:31:47.019
not.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12860-0
01:31:47.019 --> 01:31:51.219
We're just saying like 'cause the main
statue here that references it it's not.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12883-0
01:31:51.409 --> 01:31:54.938
Saying that it needs to have the
recycling symbol with the resin code
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12883-1
01:31:54.938 --> 01:31:57.409
inside it just needs to indicate the
resin code.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12897-0
01:31:57.859 --> 01:32:01.699
It just needs to indicate that it is a
number one plastic.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12898-0
01:32:01.699 --> 01:32:02.539
It is pet.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12918-0
01:32:03.019 --> 01:32:11.882
It does not need to have the the chasing
triangles with the the resin code within
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12918-1
01:32:11.882 --> 01:32:13.179
and in fact.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12933-0
01:32:13.779 --> 01:32:19.859
That may if it does have the chasing
triangles when we get into.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12944-0
01:32:22.139 --> 01:32:26.859
To incentive fees and stuff of that
nature that may.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12967-0
01:32:27.329 --> 01:32:32.493
Come up again but the the IT doesn't
necessarily have to have that exact
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12967-1
01:32:32.493 --> 01:32:35.889
symbol it just needs to display the resin
code.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12991-0
01:32:37.910 --> 01:32:40.638
OK,
I will look at the main law and see many
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12991-1
01:32:40.638 --> 01:32:45.244
of the state laws only specify rigid
plastic containers or certain types of
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/12991-2
01:32:45.244 --> 01:32:45.910
containers.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13030-0
01:32:45.990 --> 01:32:48.941
Usually,
film plastics firm building weren't
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13030-1
01:32:48.941 --> 01:32:52.548
really around when some of these codes
were initiated,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13030-2
01:32:52.548 --> 01:32:57.401
so I will go back and look at that,
but I want to flag that as an area of
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13030-3
01:32:57.401 --> 01:33:01.270
concern. I'll move on to a couple more,
just quick points.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13034-0
01:33:01.989 --> 01:33:02.909
Sure sure.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13056-0
01:33:03.440 --> 01:33:08.855
Second question was on the film
Inflexible Plastics categories,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13056-1
01:33:08.855 --> 01:33:13.000
both for HDPELD P/E and I believe
polypropylene.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13057-0
01:33:13.600 --> 01:33:14.200
I just.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13060-0
01:33:14.200 --> 01:33:15.040
We would love to.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13076-0
01:33:15.040 --> 01:33:19.986
So first we very much appreciate that the
categories are more closely aligned with
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13076-1
01:33:19.986 --> 01:33:20.760
other states.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13100-0
01:33:20.760 --> 01:33:23.795
I believe everybody,
most people on this call very much
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13100-1
01:33:23.795 --> 01:33:28.239
appreciate that you do want to point out
that in the film inflexibles categories,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13100-2
01:33:28.239 --> 01:33:31.870
this is where we feel there are some
shortcomings in other states.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13153-0
01:33:32.700 --> 01:33:37.765
If you look at the level of detail on the
different types of rigid categories,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13153-1
01:33:37.765 --> 01:33:40.778
right,
we have multiple listings for different
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13153-2
01:33:40.778 --> 01:33:45.330
types of HCPE containers based on size
and color and different things.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13153-3
01:33:45.330 --> 01:33:48.599
And then we're lumping all of the film
inflexible,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13153-4
01:33:48.599 --> 01:33:51.420
classic HCPE into one category when
really.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13152-0
01:33:48.769 --> 01:33:49.209
Dictate.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13160-0
01:33:51.420 --> 01:33:53.220
There's a wide variety.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13183-0
01:33:53.260 --> 01:33:57.392
This is an area where we need a lot more
work to expand recycling and we have a
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13183-1
01:33:57.392 --> 01:34:00.180
lot of concerns that we're not going to
get the data.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13188-0
01:34:00.870 --> 01:34:01.310
That we need.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13211-0
01:34:01.940 --> 01:34:06.115
And we're not going to be differentiate
what's recyclable in that category versus
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13211-1
01:34:06.115 --> 01:34:07.540
what's harder to recyclable.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13231-0
01:34:07.540 --> 01:34:12.028
So we'll be submitting comments to
broaden that category to better reflect
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13231-1
01:34:12.028 --> 01:34:14.900
the diversity of packaging in that
marketplace.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13235-0
01:34:15.349 --> 01:34:16.469
OK OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13241-0
01:34:19.849 --> 01:34:23.369
On the holes though.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13253-0
01:34:25.569 --> 01:34:28.889
Well that would be fantastic information
to have.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13267-0
01:34:29.089 --> 01:34:36.689
We are still even with them all lumped
into one category struggling to find.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13276-0
01:34:38.209 --> 01:34:42.489
Markets and collection locations so if.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13300-0
01:34:45.999 --> 01:34:51.708
If you can provide additional information
on in those sectors as well that would be
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13300-1
01:34:51.708 --> 01:34:54.359
that would be good information to have?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13322-0
01:34:55.160 --> 01:34:58.078
Yes,
happy to do that and happy to show how
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13322-1
01:34:58.078 --> 01:35:02.720
Oregon is collecting some of the the
films in some of their programs.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13326-0
01:35:02.720 --> 01:35:04.560
Colorado will start to do the same.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13350-0
01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:07.300
So, you know,
having more granularity in those
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13350-1
01:35:07.300 --> 01:35:12.080
categories will help us identify what's
more readily recyclable today versus what
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13350-2
01:35:12.080 --> 01:35:14.120
has a little further to come along.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13353-0
01:35:14.759 --> 01:35:15.079
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13374-0
01:35:15.079 --> 01:35:20.969
Great we were also with with combining
them trying to align with the other
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13374-1
01:35:20.969 --> 01:35:25.839
programs we do also anticipate that
flexible and film may be.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13404-0
01:35:28.009 --> 01:35:32.553
A material that would have a good
opportunity with alternative collection
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13404-1
01:35:32.553 --> 01:35:37.281
programs because it is something that
specifically the murphs are requesting
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13404-2
01:35:37.281 --> 01:35:39.369
not come through their facilities.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13410-0
01:35:40.950 --> 01:35:43.030
Yes, hear you on that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13429-0
01:35:43.030 --> 01:35:45.615
And we're like I said,
we're seeing some of those drop off
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13429-1
01:35:45.615 --> 01:35:47.630
programs emerging in Oregon and other
places.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13434-0
01:35:47.630 --> 01:35:50.270
So appreciate the further conversation.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13440-0
01:35:50.270 --> 01:35:53.910
That last question I had was just a
general.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13443-0
01:35:55.310 --> 01:35:56.070
General one.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13456-0
01:35:56.070 --> 01:36:00.270
Can you remind me where the 60% threshold
came from?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13460-0
01:36:00.270 --> 01:36:00.430
I see.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13472-0
01:36:00.430 --> 01:36:03.441
It's not just plastics,
but all the other materials.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13472-1
01:36:03.441 --> 01:36:06.110
It just can't remember the background on
that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13482-0
01:36:07.839 --> 01:36:12.199
Absolutely yeah it's in Rule in the
readily recyclable criteria.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13490-0
01:36:12.199 --> 01:36:15.799
So it's section yeah 4 C.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13515-0
01:36:18.289 --> 01:36:25.944
And it's number 24 C 2 oh excuse me 4 C 3
ratio of weight targeted for recycling to
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13515-1
01:36:25.944 --> 01:36:27.129
total weight.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13539-0
01:36:27.529 --> 01:36:31.812
It just needs to be at least 60% of the
weight of a packaging material type on
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13539-1
01:36:31.812 --> 01:36:34.849
average needs to be composed of the
materials that are.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13542-0
01:36:36.649 --> 01:36:37.129
Targeted.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13567-0
01:36:37.479 --> 01:36:41.319
For recycling and the recycling
facilities that accept the type.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13555-0
01:36:41.359 --> 01:36:41.599
And.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13568-0
01:36:41.559 --> 01:36:46.999
So we added those to most categories so
that if any material.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13604-0
01:36:47.399 --> 01:36:54.347
Were to end up meeting the marketability
and throughput criteria that the material
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13604-1
01:36:54.347 --> 01:37:00.124
the material category would stay
consistent even if it were to get a
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13604-2
01:37:00.124 --> 01:37:02.719
readily recyclable designation?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13619-0
01:37:03.409 --> 01:37:09.089
So we wanted the the definitions to
encompass to to allow for the.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13634-0
01:37:11.409 --> 01:37:16.067
Transition from a material from the to
not readily recyclable to readily
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13634-1
01:37:16.067 --> 01:37:16.769
recyclable.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13648-0
01:37:17.879 --> 01:37:22.839
Without affecting the quality of the data
that we're collecting.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13649-0
01:37:23.940 --> 01:37:24.300
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13670-0
01:37:24.369 --> 01:37:27.947
So anything that doesn't meet that
threshold would go into one of the the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13670-1
01:37:27.947 --> 01:37:28.769
other categories.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13669-0
01:37:29.330 --> 01:37:30.810
Thank you for the reference.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13682-0
01:37:30.810 --> 01:37:36.090
Is there any background you can provide
on why 60% was chosen as the threshold?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13693-0
01:37:38.879 --> 01:37:40.919
Just being more than the majority.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13694-0
01:37:40.919 --> 01:37:42.759
It has to be the majority material.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13706-0
01:37:44.249 --> 01:37:49.609
We probably still can all benefit from
you know recycling yield data.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13709-0
01:37:51.409 --> 01:37:51.489
So.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13736-0
01:37:54.009 --> 01:37:59.610
We weren't able to yeah substantiate that
with any recycling yield data but we're
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13736-1
01:37:59.610 --> 01:38:02.889
just just generally speaking right the
more of.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13746-0
01:38:04.409 --> 01:38:08.489
The one base material that there is the
more likely we're able to.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13754-0
01:38:08.799 --> 01:38:10.799
To maximize the recycling yield.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13769-0
01:38:10.799 --> 01:38:16.399
So we just went with a percent that was
more than yeah that was the majority.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13778-0
01:38:16.719 --> 01:38:20.479
Yeah and then as oh sorry go on.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13771-0
01:38:17.070 --> 01:38:17.390
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13772-0
01:38:17.390 --> 01:38:18.030
Yeah, Deb.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13789-0
01:38:21.000 --> 01:38:25.760
I was just gonna say fully support,
you know, higher quality, higher yield.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13807-0
01:38:26.440 --> 01:38:30.508
So we'll we'll share some comments on you
know that number varies a lot by
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13807-1
01:38:30.508 --> 01:38:32.080
different types of packaging.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13836-0
01:38:32.080 --> 01:38:36.708
In some cases it's just a little bit can
make something non recyclable,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13836-1
01:38:36.708 --> 01:38:41.721
so we'll just share some concerns with
that and and how we might steer toward
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13836-2
01:38:41.721 --> 01:38:45.320
more recyclable, more,
more yield in maybe a few other.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13842-0
01:38:45.899 --> 01:38:46.099
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13840-0
01:38:46.160 --> 01:38:46.920
Approaches as well.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13846-0
01:38:48.089 --> 01:38:48.889
Oh fantastic.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13850-0
01:38:49.089 --> 01:38:51.369
And then just to note on that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13891-0
01:38:53.289 --> 01:38:58.547
Once the stewardship organization is on
boarded they will begin the the needs
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13891-1
01:38:58.547 --> 01:39:04.143
assessment and that is where information
of that sort will come together to better
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13891-2
01:39:04.143 --> 01:39:07.649
inform the program and the list and all
of that so.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13910-0
01:39:09.879 --> 01:39:14.933
We do expect annual recommendations from
the stewardship organization on how we
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13910-1
01:39:14.933 --> 01:39:16.639
can improve the program so.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13932-0
01:39:17.930 --> 01:39:20.349
Great.
Very much appreciate that iterative
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13932-1
01:39:20.349 --> 01:39:24.680
feedback processes were all kind of doing
this for the first time across the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13932-2
01:39:24.680 --> 01:39:25.130
country.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13942-0
01:39:25.130 --> 01:39:27.972
And again,
thank you for expanding across many of
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13942-1
01:39:27.972 --> 01:39:29.450
these plastics categories.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13945-0
01:39:29.450 --> 01:39:31.050
So that's it for me. Thanks.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13949-0
01:39:31.749 --> 01:39:32.909
Great thank you so much Kate.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13960-0
01:39:32.909 --> 01:39:33.189
Thanks Kate.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13961-0
01:39:33.829 --> 01:39:36.229
Susan Susan apologies.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13964-0
01:39:35.980 --> 01:39:37.140
Hi, real quick.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13989-0
01:39:37.460 --> 01:39:43.724
Just the as I recall, the material source,
all the audits and so forth have to be
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13989-1
01:39:43.724 --> 01:39:48.460
done based on these active material type
categories, correct?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13992-0
01:39:48.460 --> 01:39:49.900
So they do have to be discernible.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14002-0
01:39:51.719 --> 01:39:52.079
Yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13996-0
01:39:52.030 --> 01:39:52.630
That correct?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/13999-0
01:39:52.630 --> 01:39:53.470
Yep. So OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14005-0
01:39:53.470 --> 01:39:54.510
Just something to keep in mind.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14010-0
01:39:54.510 --> 01:39:56.440
I just wanna bring that up as something
to keep in mind.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14056-0
01:39:58.129 --> 01:40:03.170
Right yeah when you're auditing right if
we're collecting all your flexibles and
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14015-0
01:40:00.140 --> 01:40:00.620
Yep.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14056-1
01:40:03.170 --> 01:40:07.776
films and an alternative well not
alternative but a retail store drop off
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14028-0
01:40:03.800 --> 01:40:04.320
Right.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14056-2
01:40:07.776 --> 01:40:12.693
and your yeah needing to separate the
number 5 from the number 2 is that right
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14043-0
01:40:09.460 --> 01:40:09.660
Mm-hmm.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14056-3
01:40:12.693 --> 01:40:13.129
that's.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14063-0
01:40:13.109 --> 01:40:15.189
Under yesterday.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14089-0
01:40:14.009 --> 01:40:19.239
The reason for the display right the
displaying of the resin code is because
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14089-1
01:40:19.239 --> 01:40:23.790
if it's not displayed we can't
necessarily discern what it is what
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14089-2
01:40:23.790 --> 01:40:24.809
material it is.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14093-0
01:40:25.359 --> 01:40:26.999
Yep thank you Susan.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14098-0
01:40:26.999 --> 01:40:29.159
That's a very important.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14099-0
01:40:29.199 --> 01:40:29.799
Thing to know.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14103-0
01:40:31.289 --> 01:40:31.609
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14116-0
01:40:31.609 --> 01:40:35.489
So we're still in pet are there any pet
specific.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14128-0
01:40:36.009 --> 01:40:37.209
I think we've kind of.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14129-0
01:40:37.409 --> 01:40:39.289
Opened it up to all the plastic.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14145-0
01:40:39.449 --> 01:40:40.849
We can't just continue all.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14140-0
01:40:40.029 --> 01:40:41.709
If general aspects?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14146-0
01:40:40.849 --> 01:40:44.969
Plastics if anybody else has any plastics
questions generally.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14154-0
01:40:52.679 --> 01:40:54.639
No no one of them.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14161-0
01:40:54.079 --> 01:40:54.279
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14166-0
01:40:56.049 --> 01:40:56.689
All right class 6.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14164-0
01:40:56.120 --> 01:40:58.280
Can you just scroll up on the screen?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14175-0
01:40:58.289 --> 01:40:59.209
Oh absolutely.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14174-0
01:40:58.320 --> 01:41:01.240
Can you scroll up on the screen a bit?
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14183-0
01:41:01.529 --> 01:41:02.329
Scrolling on the screen.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14188-0
01:41:02.329 --> 01:41:04.969
So this is the PET is up here.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14200-0
01:41:06.689 --> 01:41:10.449
But then all of their plastics are on
this page.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14203-0
01:41:12.089 --> 01:41:12.169
Or.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14225-0
01:41:13.889 --> 01:41:18.609
Did you mean to go to the next page of
plastics yes?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14236-0
01:41:18.210 --> 01:41:22.872
What I'm seeing is just that PT is at the
bottom of the screen and if you could
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14236-1
01:41:22.872 --> 01:41:25.610
scroll up so that we can see all the
plastics.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14248-0
01:41:26.229 --> 01:41:30.029
ET should be at the top of the screen and
what you're seeing right now.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14249-0
01:41:30.870 --> 01:41:31.510
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14253-0
01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:32.480
A glass.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14261-0
01:41:31.849 --> 01:41:32.329
Is it?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14269-0
01:41:32.199 --> 01:41:32.719
Not.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14270-0
01:41:32.650 --> 01:41:35.850
Yeah, no, your,
your screen and your video's frozen.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14267-0
01:41:32.920 --> 01:41:34.600
Now I'm saying glass.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14262-0
01:41:33.150 --> 01:41:34.430
It's it's not.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14266-0
01:41:33.820 --> 01:41:34.540
It's not.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14271-0
01:41:36.080 --> 01:41:36.320
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14276-0
01:41:36.849 --> 01:41:38.009
Oh just stop sharing.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14280-0
01:41:38.009 --> 01:41:39.489
I'll stop sharing and re share that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14301-0
01:42:23.850 --> 01:42:25.170
Hello. Did we lose them?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14304-0
01:42:25.960 --> 01:42:26.680
Yeah, I don't hear them.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14309-0
01:42:29.270 --> 01:42:29.990
I think we lost.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14314-0
01:42:30.780 --> 01:42:31.900
I think we lost them.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14311-0
01:42:31.680 --> 01:42:31.760
Them.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14321-0
01:42:46.880 --> 01:42:48.640
They should be able to pop back on.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14327-0
01:42:50.140 --> 01:42:51.620
Yeah, we should probably just wait.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14335-0
01:43:15.060 --> 01:43:15.740
Mute this.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14342-0
01:43:17.430 --> 01:43:20.110
Can people hear us on Jessica's computer?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14352-0
01:43:21.220 --> 01:43:22.780
Yes, yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14354-0
01:43:21.980 --> 01:43:22.580
Yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14355-0
01:43:22.040 --> 01:43:23.480
Yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14350-0
01:43:22.190 --> 01:43:22.550
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14358-0
01:43:22.550 --> 01:43:25.070
All right.
We'll move over to that one then quickly.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14362-0
01:43:30.160 --> 01:43:31.240
So just give me a moment.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14365-0
01:43:31.240 --> 01:43:32.600
I'm gonna pull up the.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14369-0
01:43:35.390 --> 01:43:37.070
The list suggests that these.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14373-0
01:43:38.480 --> 01:43:40.360
Designations.
I'll get this set up on your computer.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14379-0
01:43:53.190 --> 01:43:53.910
Click here.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14381-0
01:43:59.130 --> 01:43:59.250
Can.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14393-0
01:44:28.010 --> 01:44:29.610
I might still be able to share.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14400-0
01:44:33.770 --> 01:44:35.050
No, I don't think I can do anything.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14401-0
01:44:35.650 --> 01:44:36.050
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14405-0
01:44:36.210 --> 01:44:38.690
Well, I've got it up.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14408-0
01:44:38.690 --> 01:44:39.250
Just up to share it.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14417-0
01:44:44.690 --> 01:44:46.970
OK, but can you manage the Phoenix?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14418-0
01:44:47.690 --> 01:44:48.370
I can.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14419-0
01:44:48.770 --> 01:44:50.170
I think OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14429-0
01:44:51.760 --> 01:44:56.240
All right,
let me scroll to the second-half of.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14432-0
01:45:02.640 --> 01:45:04.280
The plastics here.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14437-0
01:45:07.110 --> 01:45:08.270
And not getting anything.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14440-0
01:45:09.880 --> 01:45:10.200
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14443-0
01:45:10.200 --> 01:45:10.840
Computer locked up.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14447-0
01:45:10.920 --> 01:45:12.040
Yeah, my computer's OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14454-0
01:45:12.040 --> 01:45:13.360
So we have a lineup here.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14480-0
01:45:13.360 --> 01:45:17.481
We'll start with Susan.
Unless your hand is still up from a
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14480-1
01:45:17.481 --> 01:45:20.160
previous time. Andy has. Oh, honey. OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14478-0
01:45:18.420 --> 01:45:20.940
No, sorry. I do have another question.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14497-0
01:45:20.940 --> 01:45:25.986
I was wondering about the logic of
separating out some of the plastic
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14497-1
01:45:25.986 --> 01:45:28.580
categories by 5 gallons and greater.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14506-0
01:45:28.580 --> 01:45:32.260
That's not done in other states,
so just curious.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14500-0
01:45:29.040 --> 01:45:29.240
Mm-hmm.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14527-0
01:45:31.480 --> 01:45:38.439
It is not so that is the one of the only
times that we are straddling with other
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14527-1
01:45:38.439 --> 01:45:39.040
states.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14552-0
01:45:39.040 --> 01:45:45.356
And that is because when looking at bail
specifications and it is the rima Bale
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14552-1
01:45:45.356 --> 01:45:49.777
specifications,
I believe they do separate by that size
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14552-2
01:45:49.777 --> 01:45:51.040
differentiation.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14574-0
01:45:52.520 --> 01:45:58.743
So they have under 5 gallons is in one
type of bail and over 5 gallons is in
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14574-1
01:45:58.743 --> 01:46:00.440
another type of bail.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14604-0
01:46:00.910 --> 01:46:06.770
Another reason to do that is our murfs
have specifically said that they they
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14604-1
01:46:06.770 --> 01:46:12.630
cannot accept things or they do not want
to accept things over 5 gallons so.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14615-0
01:46:14.800 --> 01:46:17.392
It's, that is, that is,
that would be why we have that
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14615-1
01:46:17.392 --> 01:46:18.240
distinction there.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14628-0
01:46:20.590 --> 01:46:24.590
Yeah. So different different commodities,
different values.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14619-0
01:46:21.030 --> 01:46:21.390
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14629-0
01:46:24.590 --> 01:46:26.030
So we also want to.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14654-0
01:46:27.880 --> 01:46:33.304
Just distinguish the different the
different revenue values that would come
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14654-1
01:46:33.304 --> 01:46:36.800
out of processing the different sized
materials.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14659-0
01:46:37.080 --> 01:46:39.320
So we made them separate types.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14685-0
01:46:42.910 --> 01:46:49.990
I'm not once the what's behind?
Not separating the sizes because I'm I
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14685-1
01:46:49.990 --> 01:46:56.870
assume the murphs and you know other
states are also not processing.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14693-0
01:46:56.950 --> 01:47:01.230
You know, let's say a 5 gallon,
you know bucket.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14697-0
01:47:02.920 --> 01:47:03.640
Are they?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14705-0
01:47:03.720 --> 01:47:07.400
Are they just going to be handled like?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14736-0
01:47:09.120 --> 01:47:12.816
In a depots or?
What's the reasoning for not making a
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14736-1
01:47:12.816 --> 01:47:17.606
differentiation between size when it
comes to those plastic reporting
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14736-2
01:47:17.606 --> 01:47:20.480
categories? Specs have it like that, yeah?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14752-0
01:47:22.430 --> 01:47:26.420
Just the murphs are accepting them.
I think the issue is in is maybe with the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14752-1
01:47:26.420 --> 01:47:27.750
collecting side of things.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14760-0
01:47:29.160 --> 01:47:30.480
Someone else here might know more about.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14766-0
01:47:30.480 --> 01:47:33.091
To me,
that's attention and more of a limiting
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14766-1
01:47:33.091 --> 01:47:33.480
factor.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14768-0
01:47:34.040 --> 01:47:34.600
I don't know.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14769-0
01:47:34.530 --> 01:47:34.850
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14780-0
01:47:36.320 --> 01:47:40.520
That would be good information to have,
but yeah specifically on the.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14794-0
01:47:42.880 --> 01:47:47.280
The mains requirement to have material
types separated by their value.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14804-0
01:47:48.880 --> 01:47:52.440
The there are two different Bale
specifications for.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14808-0
01:47:54.720 --> 01:47:54.760
A.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14813-0
01:47:54.760 --> 01:47:57.960
Under 5 gallons versus an over 5 gallons.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14815-0
01:47:59.670 --> 01:47:59.830
Umm.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14819-0
01:48:01.310 --> 01:48:01.950
Andy.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14818-0
01:48:02.670 --> 01:48:02.990
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14822-0
01:48:04.560 --> 01:48:04.720
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14857-0
01:48:04.790 --> 01:48:10.418
And this kind of comes back and I don't
go too far back into my previous point,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14857-1
01:48:10.418 --> 01:48:15.201
but in in a number of these categories,
you know HTPE 2, LDPE four,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14857-2
01:48:15.201 --> 01:48:19.421
we may have a need to to have the
stewardship organization,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14857-3
01:48:19.421 --> 01:48:23.360
investing in infrastructure that might
fall outside of.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14875-0
01:48:23.360 --> 01:48:27.771
Municipal Murph in that type of structure,
I see a lot of these categories don't
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14875-1
01:48:27.771 --> 01:48:29.350
have a designation right now.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14886-0
01:48:30.160 --> 01:48:32.987
For readily recyclable,
I assume we're going to get that
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14886-1
01:48:32.987 --> 01:48:33.880
obviously because.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14890-0
01:48:34.350 --> 01:48:35.350
It's either a yes or no.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14934-0
01:48:35.350 --> 01:48:40.081
It's there's no in between and,
so I I just encourage the department to
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14934-1
01:48:40.081 --> 01:48:45.207
think here again about the ability to
designate things that are read that are
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14934-2
01:48:45.207 --> 01:48:48.361
recyclable and not subject to a
penalizing fee,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14934-3
01:48:48.361 --> 01:48:53.289
but may not fall within the municipal
recycling Murph stream because we're
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14934-4
01:48:53.289 --> 01:48:53.880
going to.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14946-0
01:48:53.880 --> 01:48:57.234
Have to do that as as this program
continues to move forward,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14946-1
01:48:57.234 --> 01:48:58.910
potentially for some materials.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14959-0
01:48:59.960 --> 01:49:02.800
And the second point that I'll make is.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14949-0
01:49:00.220 --> 01:49:00.380
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14979-0
01:49:03.870 --> 01:49:11.012
If the next list that we see is filling
in all these blank spots from blank to a
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14979-1
01:49:11.012 --> 01:49:12.070
no or a yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14990-0
01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:16.920
And the next step in the process is the
formal regulatory process.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/14992-0
01:49:16.960 --> 01:49:18.560
I would encourage the department.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15029-0
01:49:20.240 --> 01:49:24.070
To release the list prior to going into
the formal regulatory process,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15029-1
01:49:24.070 --> 01:49:28.494
given what sounds like a lot of feedback
that you guys are going to get and a lot
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15029-2
01:49:28.494 --> 01:49:32.000
of change in new designation of
categories that are still blank.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15034-0
01:49:32.390 --> 01:49:33.310
In this sheet.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15036-0
01:49:33.470 --> 01:49:35.470
So just a humble suggestion.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15040-0
01:49:36.830 --> 01:49:37.190
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15046-0
01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:38.680
To maybe avoid you know.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15066-0
01:49:38.800 --> 01:49:44.773
And one of the things that we have
avoided in this iteration was putting
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15066-1
01:49:44.773 --> 01:49:47.800
those ends those no's, because it is.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15081-0
01:49:49.760 --> 01:49:52.711
A cumulative process,
a collaborative process,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15081-1
01:49:52.711 --> 01:49:54.280
and so we didn't want to.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15105-0
01:49:54.320 --> 01:50:00.551
We only put a no where we were sure that
that facility did not accept that
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15105-1
01:50:00.551 --> 01:50:04.871
material.
And so the empty space is maybe something
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15105-2
01:50:04.871 --> 01:50:07.280
that we'll see going forward.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15107-0
01:50:08.110 --> 01:50:09.310
Because.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15110-0
01:50:11.520 --> 01:50:12.080
There is.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15135-0
01:50:12.080 --> 01:50:18.367
It would be impossible for us to survey
every single facility that may or may not
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15135-1
01:50:18.367 --> 01:50:21.280
accept this material in North America.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15149-0
01:50:21.440 --> 01:50:24.450
And so,
because we're only looking for two
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15149-1
01:50:24.450 --> 01:50:28.720
facilities or and a source separated and
a Murph collection.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15164-0
01:50:30.280 --> 01:50:36.225
We're only putting in the whys where we
have confirmed that that material is
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15164-1
01:50:36.225 --> 01:50:36.920
accepted.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15167-0
01:50:37.190 --> 01:50:37.630
There is.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15185-0
01:50:37.630 --> 01:50:43.506
It would not be possible for us to
confirm that the material is not accepted
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15185-1
01:50:43.506 --> 01:50:46.710
in every single facility in North America.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15188-0
01:50:48.050 --> 01:50:48.250
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15189-0
01:50:48.280 --> 01:50:48.400
But.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15202-0
01:50:50.920 --> 01:50:55.094
We we will definitely continue to keep
stakeholders informed to the greatest of
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15202-1
01:50:55.094 --> 01:50:55.720
our ability.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15234-0
01:50:56.990 --> 01:50:59.964
Yeah.
I just think obviously the consequences
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15234-1
01:50:59.964 --> 01:51:05.265
of being designated no or blank here are
significant from a financial perspective
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15234-2
01:51:05.265 --> 01:51:08.950
for companies and materials that may be
indeed recycled.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15241-0
01:51:08.950 --> 01:51:10.390
I know you can't go to every facility.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15250-0
01:51:10.390 --> 01:51:12.750
I'm not suggesting that in any way, yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15254-0
01:51:11.260 --> 01:51:13.140
Yeah. OK, great.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15280-0
01:51:13.300 --> 01:51:18.504
And then we also have that there are
plenty of materials on here that are
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15280-1
01:51:18.504 --> 01:51:24.340
recyclable in a post industrial situation,
but not necessarily in a post consumer.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15294-0
01:51:25.880 --> 01:51:30.404
So we we we recognize that as well,
but those would be outside of the limits
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15294-1
01:51:30.404 --> 01:51:31.520
of the program, so.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15310-0
01:51:33.760 --> 01:51:36.683
But again,
any additional information that you have
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15310-1
01:51:36.683 --> 01:51:38.200
to to fill in these blanks.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15323-0
01:51:38.710 --> 01:51:43.705
We would love to have access to so feel
free to send that along with your
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15323-1
01:51:43.705 --> 01:51:45.190
comments. Thanks Andy.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15327-0
01:51:48.160 --> 01:51:48.960
Katherine Abel.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15332-0
01:51:51.240 --> 01:51:53.480
Yes, MC Catherine. Oh, no, it's nice.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15334-0
01:51:55.280 --> 01:51:55.520
Oh.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15343-0
01:51:57.080 --> 01:51:59.280
I just saw the one that popped up. Yeah.
Am I?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15344-0
01:51:59.990 --> 01:52:00.910
Hey, how you doing?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15353-0
01:52:02.400 --> 01:52:04.040
Just to give you some information,
if it's helpful.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15374-0
01:52:04.040 --> 01:52:07.561
So our Murph, we had put,
we're putting a bag open in the beginning
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15374-1
01:52:07.561 --> 01:52:11.600
and what a bag opener does is it's
basically everything's gonna be 10 inches.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15407-0
01:52:11.600 --> 01:52:14.893
So our theory is if you can fit in a
garbage bag or what,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15407-1
01:52:14.893 --> 01:52:19.435
we're noticing if you can fit in one of
those sideload containers that a lot of
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15407-2
01:52:19.435 --> 01:52:22.558
the municipalities are going to side
local collection,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15407-3
01:52:22.558 --> 01:52:25.680
we need to figure out how to deal with it.
So between.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15415-0
01:52:25.760 --> 01:52:27.440
The seven optical sorters.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15425-0
01:52:27.440 --> 01:52:30.800
Everything will be brought to a 10 inch.
So if a bucket was in there.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15447-0
01:52:31.070 --> 01:52:33.337
It's gonna end up into 10 inches pieces
of plastic,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15447-1
01:52:33.337 --> 01:52:36.910
and that way the optical sorters can pick
em up on what type of plastic they are.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15450-0
01:52:36.910 --> 01:52:39.310
So I just wanted to enlighten you that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15474-0
01:52:40.800 --> 01:52:44.407
If it can fit in a garbage bag for us,
or one of them side little cans,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15474-1
01:52:44.407 --> 01:52:46.360
it's gonna be broken down to 10 inches.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15480-0
01:52:46.360 --> 01:52:48.080
So it can go through the optical sorter.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15487-0
01:52:49.310 --> 01:52:50.510
OK, OK, good to know.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15499-0
01:52:50.510 --> 01:52:56.161
So there would be one facility then
potentially for is is that MRF
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15499-1
01:52:56.161 --> 01:52:57.510
operational now?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15519-0
01:52:59.830 --> 01:53:04.818
Right now CP is is in and we're putting
the equipment into the front end of the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15519-1
01:53:04.818 --> 01:53:06.750
of the Murph and we're looking.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15520-0
01:53:06.750 --> 01:53:07.630
We got the permits.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15527-0
01:53:07.630 --> 01:53:09.710
All amended and and and good.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15533-0
01:53:09.710 --> 01:53:12.270
So we're looking to get started in Q4 of
this year.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15536-0
01:53:12.590 --> 01:53:12.830
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15558-0
01:53:12.830 --> 01:53:16.226
Great.
So that might be something then that can
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15558-1
01:53:16.226 --> 01:53:22.099
be added a facility that can be added to
the list for those those bulky materials.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15558-2
01:53:22.099 --> 01:53:25.990
Once that facility's operational,
that would be great.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15560-0
01:53:28.320 --> 01:53:28.800
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15570-0
01:53:30.560 --> 01:53:34.400
California is Catherine Abel,
Catherine Abel.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15597-0
01:53:36.190 --> 01:53:44.005
Just a follow up to Andy's last statement.
Do you intend to issue a draft three and
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15597-1
01:53:44.005 --> 01:53:48.470
will that be done before the formal
rulemaking?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15603-0
01:53:49.530 --> 01:53:52.650
So we need to post.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15612-0
01:53:53.450 --> 01:53:57.942
Yeah, we do need to post.
So we will try to get this get a version
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15612-1
01:53:57.942 --> 01:53:58.210
out.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15631-0
01:53:59.760 --> 01:54:02.887
As soon as we've gone through all the
comments and everything and plus we do
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15631-1
01:54:02.887 --> 01:54:05.160
know those people are going to be coming
back to us so.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15640-0
01:54:07.280 --> 01:54:09.320
We'll we will have a formal comment.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15647-0
01:54:09.680 --> 01:54:13.160
There will be a formal comment pairing
during the during the.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15658-0
01:54:15.240 --> 01:54:18.107
Actual posting,
but Worris will be working on the list
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15658-1
01:54:18.107 --> 01:54:18.680
beforehand.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15660-0
01:54:19.110 --> 01:54:19.750
So.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15663-0
01:54:22.590 --> 01:54:23.150
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15665-0
01:54:23.310 --> 01:54:23.870
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15666-0
01:54:23.360 --> 01:54:24.640
We'll keep you guys in the loop.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15668-0
01:54:30.950 --> 01:54:31.110
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15678-0
01:54:32.440 --> 01:54:36.080
Any more questions or comments on
plastics as a whole?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15686-0
01:54:37.430 --> 01:54:39.670
Want to Scroll down to the next page of
plastics.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15710-0
01:54:49.830 --> 01:54:52.320
OK.
If no more questions or comments on
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15710-1
01:54:52.320 --> 01:54:55.308
plastics,
any more questions or comments on the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15710-2
01:54:55.308 --> 01:55:00.350
packaging material types list as a whole
that we didn't get to previously? Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15715-0
01:55:08.510 --> 01:55:09.910
Nope. Susan Bush has a question.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15716-0
01:55:09.910 --> 01:55:10.670
Susan Bush.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15718-0
01:55:11.120 --> 01:55:11.720
Sorry.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15729-0
01:55:12.730 --> 01:55:14.330
Donate this is what this is for.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15734-0
01:55:13.160 --> 01:55:15.600
I'm not a walk, not a wildflower.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15775-0
01:55:16.320 --> 01:55:21.070
I'm still a little confused and I don't
know if you're going to be able to answer
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15775-1
01:55:21.070 --> 01:55:24.372
this question,
but I'm I'm still a little confused as to
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15752-0
01:55:21.500 --> 01:55:22.060
Look at the shot.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15775-2
01:55:24.372 --> 01:55:27.848
why you know when you're looking at the
different criteria,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15775-3
01:55:27.848 --> 01:55:31.960
the recyclability are kind of theoretical
in nature. In a sense, read.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15790-0
01:55:31.960 --> 01:55:35.280
Recyclable criteria,
but the throughput is what's currently.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15797-0
01:55:36.400 --> 01:55:39.320
I guess it's actually happening with main
materials.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15804-0
01:55:42.190 --> 01:55:43.150
I'm a little confused.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15837-0
01:55:43.150 --> 01:55:47.412
Why? That's a little disparate.
And like when I read the rules,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15837-1
01:55:47.412 --> 01:55:52.274
it says through put a packaging material
type has sufficient throughput.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15837-2
01:55:52.274 --> 01:55:55.270
If it is common enough to warrant
sortation.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15851-0
01:55:55.630 --> 01:56:01.099
That so that says warrant meaning to me,
that doesn't mean is currently being
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15840-0
01:55:55.750 --> 01:55:55.950
Mm-hmm.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15851-1
01:56:01.099 --> 01:56:01.590
sorted.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15857-0
01:56:01.590 --> 01:56:03.710
It means if it is common enough.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15855-0
01:56:02.630 --> 01:56:02.830
Mm-hmm.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15868-0
01:56:05.200 --> 01:56:07.760
To to warrant Subtitia to justify its
sortation.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15878-0
01:56:07.800 --> 01:56:11.520
Or so it's not an and it's an or or it
can be.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15898-0
01:56:12.230 --> 01:56:15.819
Not is currently,
but can be included in a commodity used
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15898-1
01:56:15.819 --> 01:56:20.212
to market packaging material without
increasing the contamination that
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15898-2
01:56:20.212 --> 01:56:20.830
commodity.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15921-0
01:56:20.830 --> 01:56:26.451
So I'm a little bit confused as to why
this very strict criteria about what's
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15921-1
01:56:26.451 --> 01:56:31.350
currently happening is being applied and
also is there a threshold?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15934-0
01:56:31.350 --> 01:56:34.422
I mean, again,
are we looking at every single drop off
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15934-1
01:56:34.422 --> 01:56:36.990
in the state having to accept it or you
know?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15942-0
01:56:37.720 --> 01:56:40.800
It seems maybe there's some some level of.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15949-0
01:56:42.060 --> 01:56:42.660
I don't know.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15986-0
01:56:42.660 --> 01:56:45.661
You know,
it seems like we could be going backwards
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15951-0
01:56:43.060 --> 01:56:43.660
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15986-1
01:56:45.661 --> 01:56:50.047
if a large portion of the state is
accepting it and a small portion is not.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15986-2
01:56:50.047 --> 01:56:52.991
For example,
it seems like it could be a real step
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15986-3
01:56:52.991 --> 01:56:54.260
backwards and further.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/15998-0
01:56:54.340 --> 01:57:01.380
Is that your understanding that the
change in LD 1423 just pulled it up?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16000-0
01:57:01.380 --> 01:57:02.540
But I'm going to lose it now.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16005-0
01:57:04.160 --> 01:57:04.840
It's it.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16011-0
01:57:05.280 --> 01:57:06.960
It's addresses.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16016-0
01:57:07.160 --> 01:57:10.640
It's it's Mrs. Section 202146.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16065-0
01:57:11.460 --> 01:57:16.736
Subsection 9A provide for the collection
to about municipalities provide for the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16065-1
01:57:16.736 --> 01:57:21.165
collection recycling of any packaging
material that is generated in
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16065-2
01:57:21.165 --> 01:57:26.181
municipalities. Regional recyclers.
Is it your understanding that that means
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16065-3
01:57:26.181 --> 01:57:30.740
municipalities are not obligated to
collect all recyclable materials?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16093-0
01:57:30.740 --> 01:57:33.978
That's kind of how I read it and I don't
know if that OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16072-0
01:57:31.610 --> 01:57:32.330
Yes.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16078-0
01:57:33.680 --> 01:57:33.800
Yep.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16093-1
01:57:33.978 --> 01:57:38.332
So it seems to me to being extremely
strict on readily recyclable is going to
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16093-2
01:57:38.332 --> 01:57:39.560
spin things backwards.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16100-0
01:57:39.670 --> 01:57:42.270
Not bored. I mean,
I'm just putting that out there.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16102-0
01:57:42.310 --> 01:57:42.790
I don't.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16112-0
01:57:45.790 --> 01:57:49.750
I I think I understand what what you are
are saying.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16126-0
01:57:51.200 --> 01:57:56.920
And and if I'm not entirely 100% there,
please feel free to to clarify.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16134-0
01:57:58.800 --> 01:57:59.440
But I am.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16156-0
01:58:01.320 --> 01:58:05.336
So First off,
we are only looking for one Murph that is
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16156-1
01:58:05.336 --> 01:58:10.213
collecting it and we're seeing it
actually being a target material.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16156-2
01:58:10.213 --> 01:58:13.440
And then for a source separator,
we're only.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16173-0
01:58:13.710 --> 01:58:20.146
Only trying to find one that is in the
state that is collecting and it is being
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16173-1
01:58:20.146 --> 01:58:20.870
recycled.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16185-0
01:58:21.070 --> 01:58:24.329
So no,
we're not trying to to apply that to
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16185-1
01:58:24.329 --> 01:58:26.550
every single one in the state.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16191-0
01:58:27.960 --> 01:58:28.920
We are just trying to get.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16204-0
01:58:30.800 --> 01:58:34.251
Somewhat of a representative idea of
what's what's going on currently in the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16204-1
01:58:34.251 --> 01:58:34.520
state.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16224-0
01:58:34.600 --> 01:58:40.936
Another thing to note is that the
throughput criteria will be optimized
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16224-1
01:58:40.936 --> 01:58:43.840
when we start getting more solid.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16272-0
01:58:44.350 --> 01:58:50.730
Data coming through and so that will that.
This is how we are figuring it for the
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16230-0
01:58:46.110 --> 01:58:46.310
Mm-hmm.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16272-1
01:58:50.730 --> 01:58:55.086
initial list,
but once we get to the first iteration of
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16272-2
01:58:55.086 --> 01:59:00.532
the no longer the initial list,
but just the packaging material types
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16272-3
01:59:00.532 --> 01:59:04.344
list,
the throughput criteria will be more firm,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16265-0
01:59:00.570 --> 01:59:00.770
Mm-hmm.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16272-4
01:59:04.344 --> 01:59:05.200
more final.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16275-0
01:59:05.430 --> 01:59:06.070
In in.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16279-0
01:59:08.320 --> 01:59:09.520
What constitutes?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16281-0
01:59:11.640 --> 01:59:12.240
Throughput.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16300-0
01:59:12.870 --> 01:59:16.750
That that'll be further defined as as we
get more data.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16286-0
01:59:13.180 --> 01:59:13.380
Mm-hmm.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16294-0
01:59:15.450 --> 01:59:15.650
Mm-hmm.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16333-0
01:59:16.750 --> 01:59:22.458
So I I hear your concerns certainly.
But we are working with what we've got
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16333-1
01:59:22.458 --> 01:59:28.692
right now and we're trying to do our best
to get the the program up and running so
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16333-2
01:59:28.692 --> 01:59:34.550
that the stewardship organization can
come online and help us to optimize it.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16347-0
01:59:35.580 --> 01:59:37.140
Yeah, I guess it just seems like that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16342-0
01:59:36.080 --> 01:59:36.400
But right.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16390-0
01:59:37.140 --> 01:59:41.997
The downside of having something that's
currently recycled by part of the state
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16390-1
01:59:41.997 --> 01:59:46.976
labeled not readily recyclable is greater
than putting some labeling something as
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16360-0
01:59:42.140 --> 01:59:42.540
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16390-2
01:59:46.976 --> 01:59:52.076
readily recyclable that some communities
don't currently recycle is all I'm saying.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16390-3
01:59:52.076 --> 01:59:54.140
It seems like there's no downside.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16401-0
01:59:55.380 --> 01:59:58.940
Right. So right, so.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16398-0
01:59:55.640 --> 01:59:56.760
To to calling. You know what I mean.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16417-0
02:00:01.160 --> 02:00:05.486
The and and if there is.
So we were not able to look at every
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16417-1
02:00:05.486 --> 02:00:07.160
single source separated.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16419-0
02:00:08.680 --> 02:00:09.040
You know.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16425-0
02:00:11.040 --> 02:00:12.440
Location in the entire state.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16454-0
02:00:12.440 --> 02:00:16.596
So again, if there are is,
if there's additional data on any a
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16454-1
02:00:16.596 --> 02:00:21.610
single source separated location that
accepts those material and it's being
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16454-2
02:00:21.610 --> 02:00:25.040
recycled,
give us the data and we'll add it to the.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16457-0
02:00:25.590 --> 02:00:26.910
And we can make it.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16464-0
02:00:27.270 --> 02:00:30.310
You know that much closer to to the
designation?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16470-0
02:00:30.650 --> 02:00:34.210
Do you have a list of those locations you
can provide?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16476-0
02:00:35.290 --> 02:00:37.250
It's just in the confidential.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16481-0
02:00:39.160 --> 02:00:39.800
Version of the no.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16484-0
02:00:41.440 --> 02:00:42.320
The source separated.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16490-0
02:00:43.760 --> 02:00:45.640
It's gonna be any transfer station in the
state.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16501-0
02:00:47.600 --> 02:00:49.880
So do we have a list of all of the
transfers? Yeah, we do.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16509-0
02:00:49.880 --> 02:00:54.360
We do, yeah, but it's several 100.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16539-0
02:00:54.360 --> 02:00:58.305
I mean, it gets back to, you know,
I think what Kayla was saying is,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16539-1
02:00:58.305 --> 02:01:01.221
you know,
once we get the stewardship organization
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16539-2
02:01:01.221 --> 02:01:04.823
online and we actually start getting real
data municipalities,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16539-3
02:01:04.823 --> 02:01:06.080
we'll start reporting.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16557-0
02:01:06.630 --> 02:01:09.740
To us,
because that's in order to get their
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16557-1
02:01:09.740 --> 02:01:13.910
reimbursement, they'll need to do, do,
do this collection.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16568-0
02:01:13.910 --> 02:01:20.459
So I think they'll need the report and
we'll have the data. So,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16568-1
02:01:20.459 --> 02:01:22.710
so an absence of data.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16572-0
02:01:24.480 --> 02:01:25.200
Is we?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16587-0
02:01:25.200 --> 02:01:31.040
Can't we can't just give the designation
with the absence of data, but we will.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16592-0
02:01:31.040 --> 02:01:34.040
We welcome any additions to our our data.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16595-0
02:01:34.350 --> 02:01:36.830
The source at this time.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16608-0
02:01:38.350 --> 02:01:40.110
So the logic of having.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16616-0
02:01:38.360 --> 02:01:44.680
But the majority of the materials that
don't have a why in the source separated?
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16629-0
02:01:46.320 --> 02:01:51.480
They the and they're not meeting the
readily recycled designation.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16638-0
02:01:52.040 --> 02:01:55.400
It's not my understanding that there is
any material that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16646-0
02:01:57.120 --> 02:02:00.560
Is exclusively missing the source
separated collection and recycling.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16649-0
02:02:02.600 --> 02:02:03.520
Like meeting those.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16703-0
02:02:03.950 --> 02:02:08.505
But is meeting everything else.
If there's a material like that,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16703-1
02:02:08.505 --> 02:02:13.830
please let please identify it and we can
we can move forward with trying to
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16703-2
02:02:13.830 --> 02:02:19.436
identify a source separated location.
But it was our intention for any material
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16703-3
02:02:19.436 --> 02:02:23.360
that was meeting all of the other
criteria we went ESS.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16714-0
02:02:23.360 --> 02:02:25.510
On a scavenger hunt to try and find.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16717-0
02:02:28.640 --> 02:02:28.680
A.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16728-0
02:02:28.680 --> 02:02:33.960
A source separated location that was
collecting and recycling that material.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16755-0
02:02:34.310 --> 02:02:37.880
Because we knew that that that was a
limitation.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16755-1
02:02:37.880 --> 02:02:43.563
But as far as materials on the list,
I'm not aware of any that is meeting all
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16755-2
02:02:43.563 --> 02:02:44.510
of the other.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16762-0
02:02:46.120 --> 02:02:49.240
Criteria and not meeting the source
separated.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16793-0
02:02:51.210 --> 02:02:55.993
With the addition of Huda Makiya's
facility #2 for Poly coated paper board,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16793-1
02:02:55.993 --> 02:03:01.090
then we would have that exact scenario
where we would need a a source separated.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16792-0
02:02:59.130 --> 02:03:00.090
Oh, OK well.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16798-0
02:03:01.850 --> 02:03:02.770
Then we will.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16808-0
02:03:02.770 --> 02:03:05.490
We will look for one,
but we hadn't because there was not.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16824-0
02:03:05.490 --> 02:03:07.577
It was not meeting the marketability
criteria,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16824-1
02:03:07.577 --> 02:03:09.530
but we can go on a scavenger hunt for
that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16826-0
02:03:10.490 --> 02:03:11.730
Let me know how I can help.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16860-0
02:03:12.800 --> 02:03:16.934
If you if you know of a source separated
location, yeah,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16836-0
02:03:14.840 --> 02:03:15.560
I don't.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16841-0
02:03:16.320 --> 02:03:16.600
I don't.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16880-0
02:03:16.600 --> 02:03:20.677
I was just scouring through the rules
trying to determine what that is,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16860-1
02:03:16.934 --> 02:03:19.400
then we'll we'll try and find one.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16866-0
02:03:19.400 --> 02:03:21.280
But yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16880-1
02:03:20.677 --> 02:03:25.150
so I don't see a definition for what a
source separated collection facility is
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16883-0
02:03:24.690 --> 02:03:27.810
It's mostly just transfer stations, yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16880-2
02:03:25.150 --> 02:03:25.320
so.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16891-0
02:03:27.810 --> 02:03:29.730
Yeah,
it just means that they're collecting it.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16895-0
02:03:29.730 --> 02:03:30.730
It's not being collected.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16905-0
02:03:30.730 --> 02:03:33.450
And you're like you're single stream or
something like that.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16923-0
02:03:34.650 --> 02:03:37.271
I mean, you know,
you assume live in Maine,
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16923-1
02:03:37.271 --> 02:03:41.977
so you've probably been to a transfer
station if those locations is what we're
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16923-2
02:03:41.977 --> 02:03:42.930
capturing there.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16936-0
02:03:42.750 --> 02:03:45.576
We're still single sort,
which we hate in the paper industry
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16936-1
02:03:45.576 --> 02:03:47.150
'cause it contaminates everything.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16940-0
02:03:46.290 --> 02:03:48.850
Yeah, yes, yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16939-0
02:03:49.120 --> 02:03:49.440
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16942-0
02:03:49.440 --> 02:03:50.040
Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16944-0
02:03:50.640 --> 02:03:50.800
Yeah.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16946-0
02:03:52.280 --> 02:03:52.960
Absolutely.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16953-0
02:03:55.000 --> 02:03:58.840
OK, if there are no further questions.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16960-0
02:04:00.560 --> 02:04:04.600
We may wrap this up right on the dot at
noon.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16963-0
02:04:07.000 --> 02:04:07.200
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16975-0
02:04:07.200 --> 02:04:09.715
Well,
we'll take into account every all those
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16975-1
02:04:09.715 --> 02:04:10.480
comments here.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16993-0
02:04:10.480 --> 02:04:13.372
Yep.
Anything you've you emailed to us and
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16993-1
02:04:13.372 --> 02:04:16.600
we'll keep everyone posted with the next
steps.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16999-0
02:04:16.600 --> 02:04:19.419
Yeah.
Just wanna highlight again that that
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/16999-1
02:04:19.419 --> 02:04:21.320
comment deadline is the 11th.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/17011-0
02:04:23.110 --> 02:04:26.590
We we do recognize it's a bit of a
shorter window, but.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/17019-0
02:04:28.280 --> 02:04:31.400
We with that 270 daytime period.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/17032-0
02:04:33.120 --> 02:04:38.440
We we we have to move on to rule making
so that we can make meet that deadline.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/17040-0
02:04:40.830 --> 02:04:43.510
All right. OK. Fantastic meetings.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/17043-0
02:04:43.510 --> 02:04:45.270
Been very helpful to us.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/17048-0
02:04:47.040 --> 02:04:48.160
OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/17052-0
02:04:47.090 --> 02:04:47.810
Thank you all.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/17061-0
02:04:48.160 --> 02:04:51.560
So there you can all expect a release of
a. Yep, we'll.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/17067-0
02:04:53.400 --> 02:04:55.440
Post before we post. Yep, OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/17073-0
02:04:55.560 --> 02:04:57.040
All right. OK.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/17086-0
02:04:57.080 --> 02:04:58.440
Thank you very much. Thank you.
06115162-254d-492e-a2f8-d114da708892/17081-0
02:04:57.370 --> 02:04:58.050
Thank you.