WEBVTT 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/498-0 00:00:03.349 --> 00:00:04.429 Hi everyone. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/520-0 00:00:06.389 --> 00:00:09.411 I wanna thank you for attending the department stakeholder 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/520-1 00:00:09.411 --> 00:00:12.382 meetings for the extended Producer responsibility program 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/520-2 00:00:12.382 --> 00:00:13.099 for packaging. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/548-0 00:00:14.469 --> 00:00:17.567 I'm Brian Beneski, the head of the Department Sustainability 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/548-1 00:00:17.567 --> 00:00:20.665 unit, and I will be handling technical issues in the meeting 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/548-2 00:00:20.665 --> 00:00:23.459 along with Mary Breton with our Commissioners office. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/578-0 00:00:24.169 --> 00:00:27.554 I'd also like to introduce Elena Bertocci and Jessica Nadeau. They 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/578-1 00:00:27.554 --> 00:00:30.733 are in the sustainability unit and are the staff in charge of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/578-2 00:00:30.733 --> 00:00:32.939 implementing the EPR for packaging program. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/595-0 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:37.401 Elena will be attending the meeting remotely. They will be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/595-1 00:00:37.401 --> 00:00:39.809 acting as moderators for this meeting. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/615-0 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:43.751 Although we've had several meetings now, as you can see, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/615-1 00:00:43.751 --> 00:00:46.463 there still may be some technical bumps that arise, so I 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/615-2 00:00:46.463 --> 00:00:48.699 ask for everyone's patience when those happen. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/697-0 00:00:49.909 --> 00:00:53.292 These meetings are part of the stakeholder process initiated by 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/697-1 00:00:53.292 --> 00:00:56.358 the department. This is the opening meeting regarding the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/697-2 00:00:56.358 --> 00:00:59.582 topics of readling recyclable audits and program goals. This 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/697-3 00:00:59.582 --> 00:01:02.701 opening meeting is to provide a chance for stakeholders to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/697-4 00:01:02.701 --> 00:01:06.031 present comments and allow all the stakeholders to review each 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/697-5 00:01:06.031 --> 00:01:09.255 other's comments. The second meeting, which is scheduled for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/697-6 00:01:09.255 --> 00:01:12.268 April 11th, provides an opportunity for the stakeholders 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/697-7 00:01:12.268 --> 00:01:15.599 to ask questions of each other regarding the various positions 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/697-8 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:18.770 presented and make available on and make available on these 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/697-9 00:01:18.770 --> 00:01:20.779 topics through the programs web page. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/716-0 00:01:21.689 --> 00:01:24.534 We will be, we will make sure that everyone who wishes to make 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/716-1 00:01:24.534 --> 00:01:27.199 a statement or asking question will get a chance to do so. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/762-0 00:01:28.559 --> 00:01:31.730 I would like to add that this meeting is being recorded and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/762-1 00:01:31.730 --> 00:01:34.901 that the recording should be available within the next week 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/762-2 00:01:34.901 --> 00:01:37.808 or so. Additionally, a transcript will also be made of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/762-3 00:01:37.808 --> 00:01:40.979 this meeting and that will be available with any additional 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/762-4 00:01:40.979 --> 00:01:43.939 comments received through link on the programs website. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/804-0 00:01:45.329 --> 00:01:48.188 Information from all the comments submitted and these 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/804-1 00:01:48.188 --> 00:01:51.629 discussions will be used as the basis for drafting rules that we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/804-2 00:01:51.629 --> 00:01:54.911 will be submitted to the Board of Environmental Protection as 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/804-3 00:01:54.911 --> 00:01:57.929 part of the formal rulemaking process in December of 23. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/849-0 00:01:58.869 --> 00:02:02.111 Sharing comments is not limited to attendees of this meeting. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/849-1 00:02:02.111 --> 00:02:05.459 The department will accept all comments for consideration that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/849-2 00:02:05.459 --> 00:02:08.541 are submitted in writing. Additionally, new or additional 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/849-3 00:02:08.541 --> 00:02:11.942 comments can be presented at any time for the EPR for packaging, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/849-4 00:02:11.942 --> 00:02:13.909 e-mail address found on our website. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/855-0 00:02:15.239 --> 00:02:17.139 We currently have approximately. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/876-0 00:02:17.799 --> 00:02:22.038 165 people who are registered to attend this meeting in person 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/876-1 00:02:22.038 --> 00:02:26.209 and approximately 146 people registered who will be viewing. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/879-0 00:02:27.089 --> 00:02:27.749 The meeting. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/938-0 00:02:29.049 --> 00:02:32.363 Through the Internet, as this is both an in person and virtual 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/938-1 00:02:32.363 --> 00:02:35.625 meeting, we ask that those who wish to speak raise their hand 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/938-2 00:02:35.625 --> 00:02:38.834 and hold your statements until a moderator recognizes you to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/938-3 00:02:38.834 --> 00:02:42.043 allow us time to mic you. So everyone hears your questions. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/938-4 00:02:42.043 --> 00:02:45.252 You don't have to be attending in person to ask questions or 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/938-5 00:02:45.252 --> 00:02:48.514 make a statement. Just use the raise hand feature. I will now 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/938-6 00:02:48.514 --> 00:02:50.829 hand the meeting over to Elena and Jessica. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/947-0 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:58.109 OK. Hello everyone. I'm Jessica Nadeau. And. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/953-0 00:02:59.309 --> 00:03:01.949 Just want to clarify that we're having. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/966-0 00:03:02.809 --> 00:03:06.193 stakeholders share their comments during this meeting 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/966-1 00:03:06.193 --> 00:03:06.439 and. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1024-0 00:03:07.579 --> 00:03:12.393 We expect enough time for folks to share the entirety of their 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1024-1 00:03:12.393 --> 00:03:16.673 comments on so. You'll have a few minutes to share your 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1024-2 00:03:16.673 --> 00:03:21.412 comments, and after you're done sharing, we'll just make sure 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1024-3 00:03:21.412 --> 00:03:25.844 that there's no clarifying questions before we move on to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1024-4 00:03:25.844 --> 00:03:30.048 the next share. So just hang around after sharing your 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1024-5 00:03:30.048 --> 00:03:33.869 comments in case any clarifying question comes up. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1054-0 00:03:35.379 --> 00:03:39.148 Now we're we're asking to keep questions to clarifying 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1054-1 00:03:39.148 --> 00:03:43.465 questions as much as possible. The discussion that follows all 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1054-2 00:03:43.465 --> 00:03:47.509 of the comment hearing is scheduled for the 11th of April. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1105-0 00:03:49.289 --> 00:03:53.717 So the topics for this stakeholder meeting there 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1105-1 00:03:53.717 --> 00:03:58.540 are three, which is different than the previous meetings. So 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1105-2 00:03:58.540 --> 00:04:03.522 we were going to attempt to take comments by topic as 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1105-3 00:04:03.522 --> 00:04:08.424 much as possible. I know some comments speak to more than one 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1105-4 00:04:08.424 --> 00:04:13.405 topic on this list. Those topics are readily recyclable audits 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1105-5 00:04:13.405 --> 00:04:14.829 and program goals. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1126-0 00:04:16.889 --> 00:04:21.105 Typically two, we start with the folks that are in person with 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1126-1 00:04:21.105 --> 00:04:24.719 sharing their comments and then we move to the folks. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1156-0 00:04:26.569 --> 00:04:31.078 That are attending virtually to share their comments. So I think 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1156-1 00:04:31.078 --> 00:04:35.588 we'll stick to that since that's how we started doing things and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1156-2 00:04:35.588 --> 00:04:37.739 what I'll do now is ask if anybody. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1174-0 00:04:38.739 --> 00:04:43.234 That's with us now. You've got comments that speak to readily 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1174-1 00:04:43.234 --> 00:04:45.699 recyclable and we do we have PFE. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1192-0 00:04:47.209 --> 00:04:52.464 In the House with us, that or I'm gonna ask that you all kick 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1192-1 00:04:52.464 --> 00:04:55.939 us off if if you're ready to share, yes. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1195-0 00:04:56.959 --> 00:04:57.989 Let me can you hear me? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1199-0 00:04:59.929 --> 00:05:01.129 Super great. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1253-0 00:05:02.219 --> 00:05:06.308 First of all, thank you for your invitation. The opportunity to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1253-1 00:05:06.308 --> 00:05:09.885 address this body on the important sustainability topic 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1253-2 00:05:09.885 --> 00:05:13.399 of packaging extended producer responsibility and more 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1253-3 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:17.296 specifically on the matter of identifying, understanding and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1253-4 00:05:17.296 --> 00:05:21.321 declaring what forms of consumer packaging materials should be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1253-5 00:05:21.321 --> 00:05:24.899 classified as readily recyclable in the state of Maine. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1285-0 00:05:26.059 --> 00:05:29.310 I am Steve Navedo, sustainability director for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1285-1 00:05:29.310 --> 00:05:33.875 plastics forming enterprises, an independent full service polymer 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1285-2 00:05:33.875 --> 00:05:37.679 testing and R&D facility located in Merrimack, NH. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1305-0 00:05:38.539 --> 00:05:43.173 The PFE has served the plastics, packaging, recycling and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1305-1 00:05:43.173 --> 00:05:47.319 consumer products industries worldwide since 1984. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1333-0 00:05:48.659 --> 00:05:52.270 Along with a fully staffed analytical laboratory, PFE 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1333-1 00:05:52.270 --> 00:05:56.082 maintains an inhouse plastic recycling pilot facility to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1333-2 00:05:56.082 --> 00:06:00.229 reproduce the processing plants industrial floor environment. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1373-0 00:06:01.139 --> 00:06:04.813 PFE is the principle testing facility, validating plastic 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1373-1 00:06:04.813 --> 00:06:08.235 packaging compatibility with North American recycling 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1373-2 00:06:08.235 --> 00:06:12.163 conformity with the design guide protocols established by the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1373-3 00:06:12.163 --> 00:06:16.154 Association of Plastic Recyclers and the Sustainable Packaging 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1373-4 00:06:16.154 --> 00:06:19.132 coalitions how to recycle packaging, recycling 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1373-5 00:06:19.132 --> 00:06:20.589 identification program. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1394-0 00:06:21.459 --> 00:06:24.653 PFE is the first US testing facility to achieve 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1394-1 00:06:24.653 --> 00:06:28.379 accreditation to perform Recyclass testing, Europe's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1394-2 00:06:28.379 --> 00:06:30.509 recyclability testing standards. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1425-0 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:35.082 We are the only laboratory globally to be accredited to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1425-1 00:06:35.082 --> 00:06:39.173 perform testing and all four product categories PT rigids, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1425-2 00:06:39.173 --> 00:06:43.265 high density polyethylene, rigids polypropylene rigids and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1425-3 00:06:43.265 --> 00:06:44.929 polyethylene flexibles. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1466-0 00:06:45.679 --> 00:06:49.756 In regards to readily recyclable, determining if plastic packaging 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1466-1 00:06:49.756 --> 00:06:53.524 materials in Maine are readily recyclable, incorporates more 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1466-2 00:06:53.524 --> 00:06:57.478 than the analytically scientific characteristics of the plan of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1466-3 00:06:57.478 --> 00:07:01.555 the packages themselves, and how they process through traditional 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1466-4 00:07:01.555 --> 00:07:04.459 mechanical recycling systems within the state. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1512-0 00:07:05.379 --> 00:07:08.433 Post consumer plastics or national international 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1512-1 00:07:08.433 --> 00:07:12.359 commodities, just as packaging is imported into Maine, the post 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1512-2 00:07:12.359 --> 00:07:16.348 use plastic packaging collected is exported to other States and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1512-3 00:07:16.348 --> 00:07:19.402 beyond. Otherwise, much of Maine's post consumer 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1512-4 00:07:19.402 --> 00:07:23.329 Requesting's would be relegated to landfills and incineration. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1560-0 00:07:24.609 --> 00:07:29.048 The two main determining factors for the recycling of plastic 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1560-1 00:07:29.048 --> 00:07:33.701 packaging are the material used for the package or the container 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1560-2 00:07:33.701 --> 00:07:38.140 itself, as classified by the resin Identification Code on the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1560-3 00:07:38.140 --> 00:07:42.794 container. One pet, two high density polyethylene, low density polyethylene 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1560-4 00:07:42.794 --> 00:07:46.159 5 polypropylene 6 polystyrene and seven other. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1583-0 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:51.206 The second is to package container design, whether it's a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1583-1 00:07:51.206 --> 00:07:55.169 bottle thermoform, clamshell film pouches and other flexible 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1583-2 00:07:55.169 --> 00:07:55.819 packaging. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1620-0 00:07:56.569 --> 00:08:00.805 Supplementary design features of a plastic package that impact 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1620-1 00:08:00.805 --> 00:08:04.839 the recycling process. The subsequent value of the recycled 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1620-2 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:09.143 material, and ultimately the eco modulated fee attached to each 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1620-3 00:08:09.143 --> 00:08:13.581 plastic package included but not limited to color, multi material 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1620-4 00:08:13.581 --> 00:08:15.329 construction and labeling. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1654-0 00:08:16.309 --> 00:08:19.342 Variations of these and other plastic packaging 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1654-1 00:08:19.342 --> 00:08:23.070 characteristics determine whether a plastic package can be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1654-2 00:08:23.070 --> 00:08:27.051 classified as readily recyclable or not readily recyclable, as 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1654-3 00:08:27.051 --> 00:08:30.148 well as the hierarchy of recyclability that will 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1654-4 00:08:30.148 --> 00:08:32.739 determine Maine's producer fees structure. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1692-0 00:08:33.649 --> 00:08:37.548 Accordingly, and deciding whether other criteria should be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1692-1 00:08:37.548 --> 00:08:41.315 used to determine readily recyclable and the instance of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1692-2 00:08:41.315 --> 00:08:45.677 plastic, the most complex of the recycled commodities, the answer 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1692-3 00:08:45.677 --> 00:08:46.999 is a resounding yes. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1704-0 00:08:47.939 --> 00:08:51.022 This is a very dynamic period for the plastics recycling 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1704-1 00:08:51.022 --> 00:08:51.509 industry. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1717-0 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:55.345 The fact that we are here deliberating EPR legislation 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1717-1 00:08:55.345 --> 00:08:56.369 speaks for itself. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1732-0 00:08:57.319 --> 00:09:00.963 At PFE, what you have validating the recyclability of new 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1732-1 00:09:00.963 --> 00:09:02.409 material designs daily. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1759-0 00:09:03.129 --> 00:09:07.580 Variations of PT the most basic resin and other biodegradable 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1759-1 00:09:07.580 --> 00:09:11.744 resins that look identical to PET are being introduced in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1759-2 00:09:11.744 --> 00:09:13.539 consumer packaging today. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1766-0 00:09:14.849 --> 00:09:17.549 Billions of dollars, billions with a b. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1795-0 00:09:18.319 --> 00:09:21.675 Are currently being invested into new chemical recycling 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1795-1 00:09:21.675 --> 00:09:25.148 technologies and an effort to keep up with the new plastic 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1795-2 00:09:25.148 --> 00:09:28.092 packaging materials on store shelves and still in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1795-3 00:09:28.092 --> 00:09:28.799 development. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1818-0 00:09:29.779 --> 00:09:34.010 Consequently, it is imperative for me and every other state to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1818-1 00:09:34.010 --> 00:09:37.973 review and update readily recyclable criteria at a minimum 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1818-2 00:09:37.973 --> 00:09:39.249 on an annual basis. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1825-0 00:09:40.289 --> 00:09:42.459 With regards to post consumer content. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1897-0 00:09:43.539 --> 00:09:48.166 Increased post consumer recycled PCR content and packaging 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1897-1 00:09:48.166 --> 00:09:52.950 material along with the use of less virgin resins has been a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1897-2 00:09:52.950 --> 00:09:57.813 public commitment for virtually every Consumer Packaged Goods 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1897-3 00:09:57.813 --> 00:10:02.362 company, regardless of its size. Although many public PCR 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1897-4 00:10:02.362 --> 00:10:07.303 percentage targets set for 2025 have already been repositioned 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1897-5 00:10:07.303 --> 00:10:12.166 to 2030, the US Plastics Pack consisting of 117 members as of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1897-6 00:10:12.166 --> 00:10:13.029 October 22. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1921-0 00:10:13.469 --> 00:10:17.777 Still post it's target to achieve an average of 30% 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1921-1 00:10:17.777 --> 00:10:22.665 recycle content or responsibly sourced biobased content by 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/1921-2 00:10:22.665 --> 00:10:23.079 2025. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2006-0 00:10:24.169 --> 00:10:28.583 As the US representative of a global circular economy movement 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2006-1 00:10:28.583 --> 00:10:32.997 initiated by the Ellen MacArthur Foundation to mitigate fossil 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2006-2 00:10:32.997 --> 00:10:37.412 fuel exploitation and plastics pollution, the US Plastics Pack 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2006-3 00:10:37.412 --> 00:10:41.265 30% recycled content target is reasonable. However, to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2006-4 00:10:41.265 --> 00:10:45.189 accommodate a PCR plastics market currently fueled by a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2006-5 00:10:45.189 --> 00:10:49.393 plastic bottle recycling rate that hovers below 30% and has 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2006-6 00:10:49.393 --> 00:10:53.457 been stagnant since 2015, it would seem more realistic to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2006-7 00:10:53.457 --> 00:10:54.999 move the 30% recycled. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2019-0 00:10:55.069 --> 00:10:59.419 1 to 20 to 2030, as some have already revised. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2043-0 00:11:00.629 --> 00:11:03.674 Transparency and all sustainability activities is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2043-1 00:11:03.674 --> 00:11:07.207 critical and controlling both intentional and inadvertent 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2043-2 00:11:07.207 --> 00:11:07.999 greenwashing. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2063-0 00:11:08.789 --> 00:11:11.915 Therefore, third party certification of recycled 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2063-1 00:11:11.915 --> 00:11:15.679 content and post consumer recycled content data is a must. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2092-0 00:11:16.459 --> 00:11:20.763 There are numerous certifying authorities available for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2092-1 00:11:20.763 --> 00:11:25.759 producers to access, such as SES Global, URL solutions, InterTek, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2092-2 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:26.989 and many others. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2095-0 00:11:27.839 --> 00:11:28.699 In conclusion. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2115-0 00:11:29.649 --> 00:11:32.940 As one of the few bottle Bill states in the US, Maine has 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2115-1 00:11:32.940 --> 00:11:34.869 standing as a recycling advocate. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2141-0 00:11:35.649 --> 00:11:38.615 You have now spearheaded packaging EPR in this country 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2141-1 00:11:38.615 --> 00:11:42.121 and you should be commended for being the first state to step up 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2141-2 00:11:42.121 --> 00:11:42.769 and support. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2203-0 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:47.239 Not only of the recycling industry, but of fossil fuels 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2203-1 00:11:47.239 --> 00:11:51.115 conservation and the mitigation of plastic pollution. Most 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2203-2 00:11:51.115 --> 00:11:54.861 notably, you have paved the way for the fair shifting of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2203-3 00:11:54.861 --> 00:11:58.672 responsibility and cost for managing packaging waste away 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2203-4 00:11:58.672 --> 00:12:02.483 from the municipalities and constituents to the packaging 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2203-5 00:12:02.483 --> 00:12:06.163 producers who now have genuine motivation to design for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2203-6 00:12:06.163 --> 00:12:08.069 recyclability moving forward. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2235-0 00:12:09.009 --> 00:12:13.422 PFE is grateful as a fellow New Englander, and stands to support 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2235-1 00:12:13.422 --> 00:12:17.359 your efforts and those of all packaging producers seeking 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2235-2 00:12:17.359 --> 00:12:21.569 verification and validation on the recyclability of all their 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2235-3 00:12:21.569 --> 00:12:22.859 plastics packaging. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2243-0 00:12:23.689 --> 00:12:26.159 Respectfully, plastics forming enterprises. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2263-0 00:12:29.229 --> 00:12:33.776 Thank you, Steve. I appreciate that. We're gonna let anybody 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2263-1 00:12:33.776 --> 00:12:37.429 that has a clarifying question raise their hand. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2271-0 00:12:39.999 --> 00:12:42.699 If anybody has one in house. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2280-0 00:12:45.029 --> 00:12:47.059 Elena has one has one. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2285-0 00:12:47.589 --> 00:12:50.189 I have a bunch, well, not a bunch for you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2304-0 00:12:53.069 --> 00:12:56.432 Steve, you mentioned that you guys do testing for how to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2304-1 00:12:56.432 --> 00:12:59.029 recycle and APR are those criteria aligned? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2346-0 00:13:00.719 --> 00:13:07.130 Well, we we test in accordance with APR protocols. So what we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2346-1 00:13:07.130 --> 00:13:13.439 do is is to make sure that the the testing of by us being an 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2346-2 00:13:13.439 --> 00:13:17.989 independent third party is is clear of any. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2365-0 00:13:19.789 --> 00:13:24.801 Circumstances, questionable circumstances, but we test 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2365-1 00:13:24.801 --> 00:13:30.724 against those protocols that APR has established either 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2365-2 00:13:30.724 --> 00:13:31.089 the. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2377-0 00:13:32.949 --> 00:13:37.001 What is the Billy, the guidance program, Medical guidance 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2377-1 00:13:37.001 --> 00:13:38.119 program and the? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2382-0 00:13:40.749 --> 00:13:43.019 Yeah, what we do after the most preferred. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2397-0 00:13:44.229 --> 00:13:49.500 For the time that that APR has. So yeah, we we work as a matter 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2397-1 00:13:49.500 --> 00:13:50.159 of fact. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2471-0 00:13:51.449 --> 00:13:55.611 From my understanding, about 90% of all the new tech plant 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2471-1 00:13:55.611 --> 00:13:59.491 patent technology that's being presented before a PR for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2471-2 00:13:59.491 --> 00:14:03.371 approval and for information purposes by the Technical 6ecd46b7 -d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2471-3 00:14:03.371 --> 00:14:07.462 Committee is tested at PFE first, so that they make sure 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2471-4 00:14:07.462 --> 00:14:11.836 that they're not embarrassed when they present something to a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2471-5 00:14:11.836 --> 00:14:16.139 PR and make sure that they're material does follow protocol, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2471-6 00:14:16.139 --> 00:14:17.339 it is recyclable. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2485-0 00:14:19.099 --> 00:14:23.039 And then and then the how to label uses APR preferred? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2535-0 00:14:23.769 --> 00:14:30.485 Well, PFC's and member of of SPC and a lot of the OR most of the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2535-1 00:14:30.485 --> 00:14:37.202 guidance that SPC uses is falls back on a PR. So between the the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2535-2 00:14:37.202 --> 00:14:43.195 PFE is testing for for most of those producers that are 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2535-3 00:14:43.195 --> 00:14:45.469 introducing packaging. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2546-0 00:14:50.269 --> 00:14:54.169 And do you have any insight as to whether? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2558-0 00:14:55.839 --> 00:15:00.949 Resin codes are going to go away as a result of California's. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2563-0 00:15:02.289 --> 00:15:03.659 New new rules. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2621-0 00:15:04.259 --> 00:15:08.269 I doubt it. The recycling industry uses the that resin 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2621-1 00:15:08.269 --> 00:15:12.716 identification code. I mean, there's been a lot of confusion 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2621-2 00:15:12.716 --> 00:15:17.090 with that because of the the triangle or the chasing arrows 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2621-3 00:15:17.090 --> 00:15:21.829 and and things like that and and people misrepresent that symbol 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2621-4 00:15:21.829 --> 00:15:25.912 as as something that's recyclable. And as we know, it's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2621-5 00:15:25.912 --> 00:15:27.589 far from the the truth. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2634-0 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:33.115 But as far as I know, the resident identification codes 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2634-1 00:15:33.115 --> 00:15:34.839 will will be remaining. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2673-0 00:15:36.909 --> 00:15:41.084 OK. And then one more, so you you mentioned you think it makes 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2673-1 00:15:41.084 --> 00:15:44.995 sense to update criteria on an annual basis. Who would you 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2673-2 00:15:44.995 --> 00:15:49.170 suggest should be involved in a discussion on on what you know 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2673-3 00:15:49.170 --> 00:15:53.279 if we were gonna have an annual discussion of those criteria, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2673-4 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:55.069 who who should be involved? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2696-0 00:15:56.889 --> 00:16:01.934 I'm. I would say that definitely the PRO this is all gonna go 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2696-1 00:16:01.934 --> 00:16:06.499 through the PRO, right? That's there after the laws are. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2759-0 00:16:07.139 --> 00:16:11.577 Or is that the rules are established and everything, so 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2759-1 00:16:11.577 --> 00:16:16.094 the, the PRO and whatever, what other whatever technical 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2759-2 00:16:16.094 --> 00:16:20.849 resources to PRO chooses to validate the changes that that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2759-3 00:16:20.849 --> 00:16:24.811 might be introduced or recommended whether it's a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2759-4 00:16:24.811 --> 00:16:30.042 laboratory facility like PFE or whether it's one of the industry 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2759-5 00:16:30.042 --> 00:16:32.499 associations like like a PRO or 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2762-0 00:16:33.579 --> 00:16:34.479 SPC. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2764-0 00:16:35.629 --> 00:16:36.119 The. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2837-0 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:42.246 Transparency of a third party certifier is is critical. You 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2837-1 00:16:42.246 --> 00:16:47.366 you can't have a producer putting down numbers that are in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2837-2 00:16:47.366 --> 00:16:51.793 accordance with the protocol submitted to to these 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2837-3 00:16:51.793 --> 00:16:57.347 organizations and say see we are in compliance of that needs to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2837-4 00:16:57.347 --> 00:17:02.120 be a independent third eye looking at the process that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2837-5 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:06.981 they've gone through and actually also doing testing to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2837-6 00:17:06.981 --> 00:17:08.109 certify that. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2877-0 00:17:08.209 --> 00:17:12.817 Get all the changes that are going on in this change is going 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2877-1 00:17:12.817 --> 00:17:17.425 to be going on an annual basis regularly. As I said, plastics 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2877-2 00:17:17.425 --> 00:17:21.959 recycling is is very dynamic right now it's changing and the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2877-3 00:17:21.959 --> 00:17:24.709 the new materials for packaging are. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2908-0 00:17:25.389 --> 00:17:29.434 Changing every day. So yeah, at the minimum on an annual basis, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2908-1 00:17:29.434 --> 00:17:33.543 we need to to stand back and see what what new material types or 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2908-2 00:17:33.543 --> 00:17:37.589 have been introduced and whether they are or or not recyclable. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2911-0 00:17:40.109 --> 00:17:40.729 Thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2914-0 00:17:42.369 --> 00:17:42.959 Thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2930-0 00:17:46.579 --> 00:17:50.327 I think I saw Andy Hackman's hand up, but he may have lowered 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2930-1 00:17:50.327 --> 00:17:50.509 it. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2941-0 00:17:53.409 --> 00:17:56.549 Yep. And so unless he raises his hand again. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2957-0 00:17:57.909 --> 00:18:01.103 It looks like there's no other clarifying question, so we'll 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2957-1 00:18:01.103 --> 00:18:02.569 move on to the next speaker. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2965-0 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:06.249 Oh, got it. OK yeah, figured. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2977-0 00:18:08.059 --> 00:18:10.439 And for those folks in the house, are your comments 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2977-1 00:18:10.439 --> 00:18:11.859 speaking to readily recyclable? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/2995-0 00:18:13.209 --> 00:18:19.019 More so audits, I have two very recyclable and audits. OK so. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3017-0 00:18:19.739 --> 00:18:23.147 And I'm gonna have you share that readily recyclable part, if 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3017-1 00:18:23.147 --> 00:18:26.664 that's OK. So alright, cool. So we have our next speaker coming 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3017-2 00:18:26.664 --> 00:18:27.489 from the House. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3027-0 00:18:30.409 --> 00:18:34.277 Yeah, you can go ahead and take it away. OK. Thanks. Jessica. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3027-1 00:18:34.277 --> 00:18:34.589 Yeah. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3029-0 00:18:34.989 --> 00:18:35.459 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3051-0 00:18:37.069 --> 00:18:41.090 Thank you everyone. My name is Bob Cappadona. I am with Casella 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3051-1 00:18:41.090 --> 00:18:44.545 waste management. I serve as Vice president of Casella 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3051-2 00:18:44.545 --> 00:18:45.739 resource solutions. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3074-0 00:18:46.369 --> 00:18:50.615 Which oversees the recycling, organics and professional 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3074-1 00:18:50.615 --> 00:18:54.938 services. Casella has been in the industry for 25 years 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3074-2 00:18:54.938 --> 00:18:57.289 designing and operating MRFs. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3106-0 00:18:58.059 --> 00:19:01.805 Uh. Again, thank you for the opportunity to participate in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3106-1 00:19:01.805 --> 00:19:05.487 the proceeding into author comments concerning the topics 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3106-2 00:19:05.487 --> 00:19:08.852 of defining readily recyclable and provisions of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3106-3 00:19:08.852 --> 00:19:10.249 representative audits. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3132-0 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:14.294 The best way to improve recycling systems is to further 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3132-1 00:19:14.294 --> 00:19:17.492 investment in existing infrastructure that are public, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3132-2 00:19:17.492 --> 00:19:20.399 outreach education and market development. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3169-0 00:19:21.379 --> 00:19:24.060 Believed that the Maine stewardship program for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3169-1 00:19:24.060 --> 00:19:27.597 packaging law can help drive these improvements by supporting 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3169-2 00:19:27.597 --> 00:19:30.849 these initiatives, while encouraging producers to design 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3169-3 00:19:30.849 --> 00:19:34.215 to recycling reuse and to that end, we offer the following 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3169-4 00:19:34.215 --> 00:19:34.729 comments. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3207-0 00:19:36.219 --> 00:19:39.507 For readily recyclable as operators of recycling of over 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3207-1 00:19:39.507 --> 00:19:43.257 20 recycling facilities, Casella has built a business around the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3207-2 00:19:43.257 --> 00:19:46.372 knowing which household materials are well suited for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3207-3 00:19:46.372 --> 00:19:46.949 recycling. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3215-0 00:19:47.629 --> 00:19:50.839 We make this determination based on 3 considerations. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3256-0 00:19:51.499 --> 00:19:54.733 The stages of our of our employees, the essential workers 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3256-1 00:19:54.733 --> 00:19:58.191 on a trucks and our facilities included whether the materials 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3256-2 00:19:58.191 --> 00:20:00.868 can be effectively and efficiently sorted using 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3256-3 00:20:00.868 --> 00:20:04.103 available technologies and whether the sorted commodities 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3256-4 00:20:04.103 --> 00:20:05.609 will have reliable markets. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3291-0 00:20:06.429 --> 00:20:09.668 Over the decades, packaging, materials sorting technology 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3291-1 00:20:09.668 --> 00:20:13.019 markets have changed and will continue to do so. Individual 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3291-2 00:20:13.019 --> 00:20:16.369 MRF operators are always considering whether and when to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3291-3 00:20:16.369 --> 00:20:17.989 modify their acceptable list. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3308-0 00:20:18.989 --> 00:20:22.138 We also weigh the ongoing communication challenges of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3308-1 00:20:22.138 --> 00:20:25.929 educating the public about which materials belong in their bins. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3327-0 00:20:26.629 --> 00:20:29.869 Yeah, understandably reluctant to make changes that could add 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3327-1 00:20:29.869 --> 00:20:32.900 confusion and introduce new forms of contamination to the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3327-2 00:20:32.900 --> 00:20:33.789 recycling stream. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3381-0 00:20:35.219 --> 00:20:38.552 If the intent of the EPR program is to reinforce versus 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3381-1 00:20:38.552 --> 00:20:42.242 municipalities for the cost of recycling their packaging, the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3381-2 00:20:42.242 --> 00:20:45.635 definition of readily recyclcable should mirror or at least 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3381-3 00:20:45.635 --> 00:20:49.266 contain the list of materials that we and our MRF operators 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3381-4 00:20:49.266 --> 00:20:53.075 have established to be acceptable in the MRF recycling 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3381-5 00:20:53.075 --> 00:20:55.159 programs or the MRF acceptable. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3442-0 00:20:56.029 --> 00:20:59.612 The process for established in the MRF acceptable portion of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3442-1 00:20:59.612 --> 00:21:03.196 of what is readily recyclable should involve an annual meeting 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3442-2 00:21:03.196 --> 00:21:06.837 of MRF operators who receive recycling from Maine households. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3442-3 00:21:06.837 --> 00:21:10.363 It's important to recognize that while other stakeholders may 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3442-4 00:21:10.363 --> 00:21:14.061 wish to be heard on this topic, it would not make sense for them 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3442-5 00:21:14.061 --> 00:21:17.303 to dictate what is processed through the MRFs with the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3442-6 00:21:17.303 --> 00:21:17.929 facilities. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3466-0 00:21:18.629 --> 00:21:21.849 We find the annual process in Massachusetts works well and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3466-1 00:21:21.849 --> 00:21:24.960 would be happy to provide further information in details 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3466-2 00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:25.779 in that regard. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3490-0 00:21:26.509 --> 00:21:29.933 If the second intent of this program is to eventually provide 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3490-1 00:21:29.933 --> 00:21:33.247 municipal reimbursement for recycled materials beyond those 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3490-2 00:21:33.247 --> 00:21:34.959 that can be processed at MRF. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3549-0 00:21:35.629 --> 00:21:39.592 Uh, specialty recycling via drop off, take back mailing programs. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3549-1 00:21:39.592 --> 00:21:43.496 As such, the state might define separate subcategories for those 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3549-2 00:21:43.496 --> 00:21:47.339 activities, with the within the readily recyclable reuse system 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3549-3 00:21:47.339 --> 00:21:51.003 might be treated similarly. The equation for this might look 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3549-4 00:21:51.003 --> 00:21:54.666 something like, for example readily recycling equals perfect 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3549-5 00:21:54.666 --> 00:21:57.969 acceptable plus specialty recycling plus reuse system. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3616-0 00:21:58.859 --> 00:22:01.796 Be clear my comments about relate to defining MRF 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3616-1 00:22:01.796 --> 00:22:05.467 acceptable on an ongoing basis. The process for the establishing 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3616-2 00:22:05.467 --> 00:22:09.026 the other category where include additional considerations and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3616-3 00:22:09.026 --> 00:22:12.415 stakeholders. It seems unlikely like programs under the two 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3616-4 00:22:12.415 --> 00:22:15.521 latter categories might initially be handled under the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3616-5 00:22:15.521 --> 00:22:19.023 Alternative Collection Program section of the Rule until they 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3616-6 00:22:19.023 --> 00:22:20.379 become widely available. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3644-0 00:22:22.019 --> 00:22:26.227 And I'll stop there just cause the audits 'cause he wanted me. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3644-1 00:22:26.227 --> 00:22:30.302 Just suggest or no thank you. OK, so let's open up the floor 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3644-2 00:22:30.302 --> 00:22:32.239 for any clarifying questions. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3651-0 00:22:37.879 --> 00:22:40.479 Hi. Uh, thanks, Bob. I got one so. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3671-0 00:22:42.379 --> 00:22:47.265 I just want to bring up, say glass that doesn't work well 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3671-1 00:22:47.265 --> 00:22:50.129 through a MRF but is otherwise. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3676-0 00:22:53.689 --> 00:22:54.699 Can be recycled. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3694-0 00:22:56.139 --> 00:23:00.462 Do you have any thoughts on how a material like that Umm could 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3694-1 00:23:00.462 --> 00:23:03.139 be handled should be might be handled? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3716-0 00:23:04.339 --> 00:23:08.155 Uh, we we're in the space. That glass should continue to go 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3716-1 00:23:08.155 --> 00:23:11.209 through a MRF. We have designed facilities. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3782-0 00:23:12.549 --> 00:23:16.462 Specifically in technology to handle glass, whether it's a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3782-1 00:23:16.462 --> 00:23:20.574 black, a glass breaker, a clean up mechanism to make sure the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3782-2 00:23:20.574 --> 00:23:24.885 glass is clean. So we're in the space that we believe it's still 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3782-3 00:23:24.885 --> 00:23:28.731 belongs in the single stream program, but also we believe 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3782-4 00:23:28.731 --> 00:23:32.909 that we need to develop further markets in the Northeast here. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3782-5 00:23:32.909 --> 00:23:36.822 Five years ago, we lost our glass to glass bottling in the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3782-6 00:23:36.822 --> 00:23:40.868 Northeast. They left the area. Since then, we've 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3782-7 00:23:40.868 --> 00:23:42.659 struggled in the Northeast. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3872-0 00:23:43.059 --> 00:23:47.340 To find markets for glass with developed markets for glass, I'm 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3872-1 00:23:47.340 --> 00:23:51.353 a firm believer that we will. We will find the market over the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3872-2 00:23:51.353 --> 00:23:55.500 next three to five years up in the Northeast to handle glass, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3872-3 00:23:55.500 --> 00:23:59.848 whether it's a bottle to bottle or some other market that may be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3872-4 00:23:59.848 --> 00:24:03.192 into US cement block or replacement of ash or 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3872-5 00:24:03.192 --> 00:24:07.206 something of that sort. So it's 20% by volume of the single 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3872-6 00:24:07.206 --> 00:24:11.487 stream material and made it may be a little bit lower 10 to 15% 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3872-7 00:24:11.487 --> 00:24:13.159 again by weight so glass. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3881-0 00:24:13.249 --> 00:24:16.489 We believe a belongs in the single stream program. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3888-0 00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:18.539 And we will find a market. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3887-0 00:24:17.919 --> 00:24:18.249 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3903-0 00:24:20.049 --> 00:24:23.493 And and so are you saying that you're MRF? Glass used to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3903-1 00:24:23.493 --> 00:24:24.369 glass to glass. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3960-0 00:24:25.289 --> 00:24:29.469 It did, it did. It did five years ago in the Northeast? Yes, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3913-0 00:24:27.469 --> 00:24:27.919 It did. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3960-1 00:24:29.469 --> 00:24:33.445 in the Northeast, mostly on the the Massachusetts market. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3960-2 00:24:33.445 --> 00:24:37.625 Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont. It's still does. Some 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3960-3 00:24:37.625 --> 00:24:41.874 of it still does we actually, if we had rail, we have rail in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3960-4 00:24:41.874 --> 00:24:46.055 certain areas of our MRF and we mail it out to a bottle of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3960-5 00:24:46.055 --> 00:24:47.289 bottle facilities. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3979-0 00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:53.345 And so it gets additional processing if that if that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3979-1 00:24:53.345 --> 00:24:55.509 glass market is available. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4003-0 00:24:56.589 --> 00:25:00.672 Digital processing, additional cleanup and yes, it would go to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/3985-0 00:24:57.039 --> 00:24:57.369 And. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4003-1 00:25:00.672 --> 00:25:04.885 a current market set we have for recycling our bottle to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4003-2 00:25:04.885 --> 00:25:05.339 bottle. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4020-0 00:25:06.679 --> 00:25:10.227 And is and Maine MRF glass right now. Do you have a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4020-1 00:25:10.227 --> 00:25:11.879 recycling outlet for those? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4024-0 00:25:12.479 --> 00:25:12.949 You're not. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4027-0 00:25:13.709 --> 00:25:14.249 We do not. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4031-0 00:25:15.989 --> 00:25:17.079 OK. Thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4034-0 00:25:17.899 --> 00:25:18.229 Welcome. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4036-0 00:25:22.339 --> 00:25:23.109 OK. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4050-0 00:25:23.959 --> 00:25:28.046 Peter, I can't see the whole last name, Bierbaum 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4050-1 00:25:28.046 --> 00:25:29.629 will allow you to speak. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4062-0 00:25:31.659 --> 00:25:34.658 Also too, I saw something in the chat, so I'll read that out to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4062-1 00:25:34.658 --> 00:25:34.939 Peter. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4127-0 00:25:37.719 --> 00:25:41.859 Thank you. My name's Peter Bierbaum. I'm an independent 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4127-1 00:25:41.859 --> 00:25:46.000 consultant based out of Colorado, but been listening in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4127-2 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:50.436 and through all the stakeholder meetings and just wanted to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4127-3 00:25:50.436 --> 00:25:55.020 compliment you guys. I think you're doing a fantastic 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4127-4 00:25:55.020 --> 00:25:59.678 job with engagement. Just had a quick question for Bob and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4127-5 00:25:59.678 --> 00:26:04.040 this is probably early in the process, but do you based on 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4127-6 00:26:04.040 --> 00:26:05.889 your three-part criteria? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4140-0 00:26:06.879 --> 00:26:10.820 To day, do you have a a a list of what you were consider 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4140-1 00:26:10.820 --> 00:26:13.309 Readily recyclable? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4160-0 00:26:14.149 --> 00:26:18.271 We have a we have a common uh MRF acceptable list at all of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4160-1 00:26:18.271 --> 00:26:21.329 our facilities. All twenty of our facilities. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4163-0 00:26:22.959 --> 00:26:23.459 System. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4180-0 00:26:24.829 --> 00:26:29.044 And that would correspond to your readily recyclable 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4180-1 00:26:29.044 --> 00:26:30.449 recommendation. OK. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4177-0 00:26:29.219 --> 00:26:29.529 Yes. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4181-0 00:26:30.219 --> 00:26:30.609 Yes. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4195-0 00:26:36.929 --> 00:26:40.599 For the chat. Let's see, once I saw something come up there. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4202-0 00:26:41.809 --> 00:26:44.989 Let's see. John Redding chats. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4221-0 00:26:46.679 --> 00:26:49.568 Also, will Maine actually I should start? I can't read it. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4221-1 00:26:49.568 --> 00:26:52.209 If you want me to. No, I didn't want. OK, go for it. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4254-0 00:26:52.989 --> 00:26:57.906 Ohh yeah, I'll start at the top. Will EPR funds be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4254-1 00:26:57.906 --> 00:27:02.741 dedicated and reinvested back into needed improvements in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4254-2 00:27:02.741 --> 00:27:07.492 material collection technologies? Will reinvestment be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4254-3 00:27:07.492 --> 00:27:09.659 legislated into the rules? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4306-0 00:27:10.339 --> 00:27:14.845 And Yep, we have a whole rulemaking topic of investments 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4306-1 00:27:14.845 --> 00:27:19.985 in infrastructure and education and that's our our May topic. He 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4306-2 00:27:19.985 --> 00:27:24.570 continues to say, will EPR fee contributors be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4306-3 00:27:24.570 --> 00:27:29.393 given priority in sourcing post consumer, recycled materials 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4306-4 00:27:29.393 --> 00:27:33.900 generated from Maine MRF facilities as opposed to MRFs 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4306-5 00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:37.379 selling and exporting outside of the state. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4318-0 00:27:38.329 --> 00:27:42.259 On that is another rulemaking topic. Producer fees in July. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4321-0 00:27:44.909 --> 00:27:46.069 Elena. Elena. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4329-0 00:27:50.159 --> 00:27:53.169 There's nothing in the statute that would suggest that. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4331-0 00:27:53.919 --> 00:27:54.269 That. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4335-0 00:27:55.529 --> 00:27:57.619 Uh producers have. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4345-0 00:27:58.429 --> 00:28:02.969 Priority sourcing of PCR and that PCR is actually going to. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4353-0 00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:06.419 Belong to, you know, Casella owns that PCR. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4360-0 00:28:07.209 --> 00:28:10.059 Umm, so it's not really within our. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4379-0 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:15.230 Uh, ability to allow for priority sourcing, if that's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4379-1 00:28:15.230 --> 00:28:18.759 what, even if that's what we wanted to do. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4384-0 00:28:22.919 --> 00:28:24.349 OK, so thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4393-0 00:28:26.999 --> 00:28:30.129 We caught up on the chat, caught up on the hands so. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4418-0 00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:35.103 What I'll do is I'll ask those of you online if any of you have 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4418-1 00:28:35.103 --> 00:28:38.807 comments that speak to readily recyclable. If you could raise 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4418-2 00:28:38.807 --> 00:28:40.839 your hand and we'll kind of just. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4444-0 00:28:41.509 --> 00:28:44.862 Get a queue going. For those of you who have comments, speaking 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4444-1 00:28:44.862 --> 00:28:47.953 to readily recyclable online, and we'll ask that you share 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4444-2 00:28:47.953 --> 00:28:48.949 those at this time. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4449-0 00:28:51.269 --> 00:28:53.089 Yes, I'm gonna actually. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4460-0 00:28:55.069 --> 00:28:57.609 Yeah. You know, we're gonna because of the multi. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4517-0 00:28:58.309 --> 00:29:01.861 Dimensional meeting. We're gonna actually ask people to live at 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4517-1 00:29:01.861 --> 00:29:05.413 what they put into the chat. And if you have an actual question 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4517-2 00:29:05.413 --> 00:29:08.742 and statement, just put your hand up and we'll call on you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4517-3 00:29:08.742 --> 00:29:12.294 So that way, that way it makes the public record when we do the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4517-4 00:29:12.294 --> 00:29:15.791 transcript, because otherwise we're not sure how to get things 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4517-5 00:29:15.791 --> 00:29:17.789 from the chat to the public record. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4529-0 00:29:20.679 --> 00:29:24.009 Uh, so Andy's gotta one. So we'll start with Andy Hackman from AMERIPEN. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4536-0 00:29:27.719 --> 00:29:29.009 And the action that is. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4544-0 00:29:39.689 --> 00:29:40.549 Can you hear me OK? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4543-0 00:29:39.879 --> 00:29:40.489 There we go. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4547-0 00:29:41.699 --> 00:29:42.619 OK, awesome. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4583-0 00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:46.272 And thank you to to the department and everybody for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4583-1 00:29:46.272 --> 00:29:49.886 having us participate today and participate online. I apologize 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4583-2 00:29:49.886 --> 00:29:53.499 not being there in person, but have a sick toddler at home. And 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4583-3 00:29:53.499 --> 00:29:56.549 so that's, that's where I'm at right now in terms of. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4655-0 00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:00.637 Quantifying and creating categories or classifications 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4655-1 00:30:00.637 --> 00:30:03.873 for readily recyclable. I appreciate that the statute 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4655-2 00:30:03.873 --> 00:30:07.231 doesn't specify this for labeling. I think there might 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4655-3 00:30:07.231 --> 00:30:10.894 have been some comments earlier that may have bled into the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4655-4 00:30:10.894 --> 00:30:14.557 topic of labeling and, and I think it's important for us to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4655-5 00:30:14.557 --> 00:30:18.037 focus on the fact that readily recyclable pertains to how 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4655-6 00:30:18.037 --> 00:30:21.579 municipalities are reimbursed and how different packaging 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4655-7 00:30:21.579 --> 00:30:25.242 types are going to be assessed fees and obviously fees as a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4655-8 00:30:25.242 --> 00:30:28.539 later topic. With regard to the background documents. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4670-0 00:30:28.629 --> 00:30:31.857 And some of the definitions that exist in Vermont and other 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4670-1 00:30:31.857 --> 00:30:34.009 places, I think those are a reasonable. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4675-0 00:30:35.679 --> 00:30:36.429 Sorry, can you hear me? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4677-0 00:30:37.059 --> 00:30:37.629 Yes. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4763-0 00:30:38.509 --> 00:30:42.045 OK, alright. I think those are reasonable places to to start, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4763-1 00:30:42.045 --> 00:30:45.582 but I think it's important that this is a dynamic process and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4763-2 00:30:45.582 --> 00:30:49.119 one that which will be evaluated at least annually to sort of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4763-3 00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:52.370 echo a comment that's already been said, things that are 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4763-4 00:30:52.370 --> 00:30:55.108 critical obviously in determining what would be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4763-5 00:30:55.108 --> 00:30:58.474 considered readily recyclable or the ability to collect the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4763-6 00:30:58.474 --> 00:31:01.611 material. We think it's important that include an 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4763-7 00:31:01.611 --> 00:31:04.919 obviously not just curbside given Maine's geography and as I 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4763-8 00:31:04.919 --> 00:31:08.228 think everybody knows, our systems are very different. So 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4763-9 00:31:08.228 --> 00:31:09.369 it needs to include. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4830-0 00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:13.527 Drop off locations and depots in terms of evaluating collection 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4830-1 00:31:13.527 --> 00:31:17.209 and we also believe that it should evaluate and include the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4830-2 00:31:17.209 --> 00:31:21.075 potential for retail drop off. Obviously there is the focus on 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4830-3 00:31:21.075 --> 00:31:24.942 municipal reimbursements here, but for things to be considered 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4830-4 00:31:24.942 --> 00:31:28.808 rather recyclable as it pertains to produce your fees later on 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4830-5 00:31:28.808 --> 00:31:32.675 retail drop off might be and may continue to be and portion of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4830-6 00:31:32.675 --> 00:31:36.480 some infrastructure means of getting material back and that's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4830-7 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:39.549 obviously not not constrained just to Maine, but. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4912-0 00:31:39.629 --> 00:31:42.990 Those programs are are rolling out nationally. I think it's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4912-1 00:31:42.990 --> 00:31:46.352 important here too. We've had a couple of comments from our 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4912-2 00:31:46.352 --> 00:31:49.601 members relative to what thresholds exist for determining 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4912-3 00:31:49.601 --> 00:31:52.794 what's readily recyclable. I'm sure as the department 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4912-4 00:31:52.794 --> 00:31:55.652 knows, the only percentage that's really out there 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4912-5 00:31:55.652 --> 00:31:59.293 nationally is in the FTC Green guides for collection and access 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4912-6 00:31:59.293 --> 00:32:02.823 to recycling, and that's at 60%. I think our challenge here in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4912-7 00:32:02.823 --> 00:32:06.408 thinking about the law is once something is determined, readily 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4912-8 00:32:06.408 --> 00:32:09.490 recyclable, right. All the municipalities will need to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4912-9 00:32:09.490 --> 00:32:12.179 collect that in order to receive reimbursement. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4988-0 00:32:12.939 --> 00:32:16.733 So I don't think that number necessarily could start at 60% 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4988-1 00:32:16.733 --> 00:32:20.654 because it automatically would then would jump municipalities 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4988-2 00:32:20.654 --> 00:32:24.575 into having to collect that 100% of the time. So I think it's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4988-3 00:32:24.575 --> 00:32:28.242 really important that we think about and create a process 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4988-4 00:32:28.242 --> 00:32:31.973 that's dynamic and that has the potential for waivers from 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4988-5 00:32:31.973 --> 00:32:36.147 municipalities to to not collect a particular material that might 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4988-6 00:32:36.147 --> 00:32:39.625 be considered readily recyclable, so that we don't end 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4988-7 00:32:39.625 --> 00:32:43.673 up in a situation where we have a number of different materials 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/4988-8 00:32:43.673 --> 00:32:43.989 that. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5085-0 00:32:44.129 --> 00:32:47.942 Are recyclable and the majority of communities excluded simply 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5085-1 00:32:47.942 --> 00:32:51.635 because they can't be collected and Caribou, for example. So 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5085-2 00:32:51.635 --> 00:32:55.388 100% access and collection is something we think is not going 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5085-3 00:32:55.388 --> 00:32:59.202 to be feasible in determining what's readily recyclable. We do 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5085-4 00:32:59.202 --> 00:33:02.350 think the process needs to be dynamic and work with 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5085-5 00:33:02.350 --> 00:33:06.163 municipalities and what they can actually collect, but that we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5085-6 00:33:06.163 --> 00:33:09.493 set an overall footprint for what's considered readily 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5085-7 00:33:09.493 --> 00:33:13.125 recyclable and and not apply. one-size-fits-all policy or a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5085-8 00:33:13.125 --> 00:33:14.699 lowest common denominator. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5176-0 00:33:14.879 --> 00:33:18.000 Policy for determining what's what's readily recyclable, and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5176-1 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:21.070 then there were some questions in the background. Documents 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5176-2 00:33:21.070 --> 00:33:24.192 around transition period. We think that will probably depend 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5176-3 00:33:24.192 --> 00:33:27.466 on the material may take three months for certain materials may 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5176-4 00:33:27.466 --> 00:33:30.588 take six months for others. Obviously if we're going to have 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5176-5 00:33:30.588 --> 00:33:33.658 an annual process for looking at this annually, you know an 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5176-6 00:33:33.658 --> 00:33:36.677 annual a year long process to come in and add a transition 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5176-7 00:33:36.677 --> 00:33:39.798 really wouldn't do us a whole whole lot of good. So we think 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5176-8 00:33:39.798 --> 00:33:43.073 it'll probably be material based and also based upon the change 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5176-9 00:33:43.073 --> 00:33:46.143 in infrastructure, if suddenly a market has dropped out, if 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5176-10 00:33:46.143 --> 00:33:47.269 market is going to be. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5253-0 00:33:47.349 --> 00:33:51.305 A factor that's considered that that be something that's driven 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5253-1 00:33:51.305 --> 00:33:54.643 by the material and the infrastructure that's causing 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5253-2 00:33:54.643 --> 00:33:58.415 the change in the particular packaging type or material type 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5253-3 00:33:58.415 --> 00:34:02.000 from moving either from not readily recyclable to or from 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5253-4 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:05.215 readily recyclable to not readily recyclable or not 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5253-5 00:34:05.215 --> 00:34:08.615 recyclable to readily recyclable. And then the sort of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5253-6 00:34:08.615 --> 00:34:12.324 the final comments I don't think the types of materials and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5253-7 00:34:12.324 --> 00:34:16.342 packages should specifically be listed in Rule. This is going to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5253-8 00:34:16.342 --> 00:34:20.299 be a dynamic process where we're encouraging materials to move. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5330-0 00:34:20.439 --> 00:34:24.009 From landfilling, quite frankly, or from being not considered 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5330-1 00:34:24.009 --> 00:34:27.694 rather recyclable, it's going to be challenging to to obviously 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5330-2 00:34:27.694 --> 00:34:30.861 update the rule. I think categories of criteria like I 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5330-3 00:34:30.861 --> 00:34:34.546 said, collection the ability to sort of material the bility for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5330-4 00:34:34.546 --> 00:34:38.231 the material to be processed and then when it comes to markets, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5330-5 00:34:38.231 --> 00:34:41.398 we think it's also important that markets be looked at 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5330-6 00:34:41.398 --> 00:34:45.141 nationally, not just markets in a particular region because as I 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5330-7 00:34:45.141 --> 00:34:48.711 think a number of speakers have noted in some of our previous 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5330-8 00:34:48.711 --> 00:34:50.669 dialogues about we don't process. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5423-0 00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:54.117 To market a whole lot of materials in Maine, a lot of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5423-1 00:34:54.117 --> 00:34:57.195 that goes out of state to be processed or secondarily 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5423-2 00:34:57.195 --> 00:35:00.443 processed or goes to markets that are not necessarily in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5423-3 00:35:00.443 --> 00:35:03.863 Maine. So I do think we we need to to be able to to look at 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5423-4 00:35:03.863 --> 00:35:06.770 markets nationally at least nationally and perhaps 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5423-5 00:35:06.770 --> 00:35:09.962 internationally because obviously with our geography we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5423-6 00:35:09.962 --> 00:35:13.553 might have materials going to Canada. And so just just drawing 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5423-7 00:35:13.553 --> 00:35:17.087 a tight boundary around there has to be a market in the state 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5423-8 00:35:17.087 --> 00:35:20.450 of Maine or or a definition that's really limited in terms 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5423-9 00:35:20.450 --> 00:35:21.419 of what would be. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5489-0 00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:25.065 A marketable commodity is important to to look at the big 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5489-1 00:35:25.065 --> 00:35:29.055 picture, because these materials will move as we know and as some 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5489-2 00:35:29.055 --> 00:35:32.984 of the questions with regard to audits and performance goals get 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5489-3 00:35:32.984 --> 00:35:36.854 to, there's an acknowledgement. Obviously that's gonna be tough 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5489-4 00:35:36.854 --> 00:35:40.662 to get data out of the system and we're going to need to think 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5489-5 00:35:40.662 --> 00:35:44.289 broadly about that or think creatively about that. We think 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5489-6 00:35:44.289 --> 00:35:47.735 it's important that we also think creatively and look at 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5489-7 00:35:47.735 --> 00:35:51.483 this nationally as we define readily recyclable, particularly 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5489-8 00:35:51.483 --> 00:35:52.209 in terms of. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5516-0 00:35:52.289 --> 00:35:55.678 If we're going to set market elements as a factor for driving 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5516-1 00:35:55.678 --> 00:35:58.849 what's considered rather recyclable, so that's the end of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5516-2 00:35:58.849 --> 00:36:02.239 my comments related to rather recyclable and maybe they'll be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5516-3 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:03.059 some questions. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5521-0 00:36:05.779 --> 00:36:07.149 Thanks, Andy. Yep. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5526-0 00:36:09.289 --> 00:36:10.449 Any questions from the floor? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5532-0 00:36:14.879 --> 00:36:17.059 But from the Internet world. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5538-0 00:36:18.469 --> 00:36:19.529 No new hands. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5537-0 00:36:19.029 --> 00:36:19.399 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5545-0 00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:22.359 OK. Go ahead. I'll go. I'll go at the end. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5556-0 00:36:24.589 --> 00:36:27.579 No, we didn't have any new hands for clarifying. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5563-0 00:36:26.849 --> 00:36:29.779 Uh, OK, then I have a I have a couple questions for Andy. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5585-0 00:36:31.549 --> 00:36:35.183 It sounds like you're envisioning a readily recyclable 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5585-1 00:36:35.183 --> 00:36:39.280 list in which, uh, materials might be moving on and off on an 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5585-2 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:40.139 annual basis. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5587-0 00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:42.129 Yes. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5589-0 00:36:44.579 --> 00:36:45.119 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5595-0 00:36:47.289 --> 00:36:50.919 And if you considered the education? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5599-0 00:36:52.409 --> 00:36:53.519 Implications of that? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5607-0 00:36:54.439 --> 00:36:55.509 You have any thoughts on? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5606-0 00:36:54.789 --> 00:36:55.389 Yeah, I. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5676-0 00:36:56.539 --> 00:37:00.598 It's something that the that the the SO is gonna need to to help 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5676-1 00:37:00.598 --> 00:37:04.534 you know, educate and direct. I mean there's obviously a stable 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5676-2 00:37:04.534 --> 00:37:08.347 of materials that probably will be pretty standard and remain 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5676-3 00:37:08.347 --> 00:37:11.975 from year to year. But I think it's important that we move 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5676-4 00:37:11.975 --> 00:37:15.726 things up and in in particular if we're going to incentivize 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5676-5 00:37:15.726 --> 00:37:19.478 movement and that that sort of to the comment about we don't 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5676-6 00:37:19.478 --> 00:37:22.860 want the lowest common denominator to drive the entire 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5676-7 00:37:22.860 --> 00:37:24.029 readily recyclable. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5685-0 00:37:24.669 --> 00:37:28.799 And little ton or bucket per for example but. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5757-0 00:37:29.589 --> 00:37:32.648 I respect it's going to take continue education, right? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5757-1 00:37:32.648 --> 00:37:36.200 That's part of the law and it's something that's charged for the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5757-2 00:37:36.200 --> 00:37:39.423 SO. So we think it's something that they should be able to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5757-3 00:37:39.423 --> 00:37:42.702 accomplish and I have to go back. I think Colorado is going 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5757-4 00:37:42.702 --> 00:37:46.035 to evaluate things annually as well. So I think there's some 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5757-5 00:37:46.035 --> 00:37:49.313 some potential synergies with with having consistency among 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5757-6 00:37:49.313 --> 00:37:52.755 the states at every PR and and moving materials in and out and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5757-7 00:37:52.755 --> 00:37:55.979 education that's going to probably flow nationally down to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5757-8 00:37:55.979 --> 00:37:58.219 each of the programs that are operating. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5771-0 00:37:59.499 --> 00:38:05.579 Umm. And then one thing that, uh, sort of, I've heard a lot of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5771-1 00:38:05.579 --> 00:38:05.869 UM. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5777-0 00:38:08.489 --> 00:38:10.709 Collection people say is that. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5831-0 00:38:11.459 --> 00:38:15.144 I'm adding a material is very different than taking away a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5831-1 00:38:15.144 --> 00:38:18.830 material and that, you know, adding a material is is great 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5831-2 00:38:18.830 --> 00:38:22.265 usually and people love it and taking away material is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5831-3 00:38:22.265 --> 00:38:26.013 difficult because you continue to get the contamination and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5831-4 00:38:26.013 --> 00:38:30.011 people are angry. Is that sort of in line with with your stance 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5831-5 00:38:30.011 --> 00:38:33.322 like we wanna be moving materials on, but only if we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5822-0 00:38:31.729 --> 00:38:32.019 Yeah. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5831-6 00:38:33.322 --> 00:38:34.759 expect them to stay on. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5883-0 00:38:35.419 --> 00:38:38.445 Yeah. And I think that's probably markets would be the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5883-1 00:38:38.445 --> 00:38:41.362 thing that drives would potentially drive Materials the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5883-2 00:38:41.362 --> 00:38:44.499 quickest out of you know that equation. And I mean quite 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5883-3 00:38:44.499 --> 00:38:47.801 frankly, if we're going to be, if we're going to be funding 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5883-4 00:38:47.801 --> 00:38:51.268 municipalities on on an average rate per ton and I know that's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5883-5 00:38:51.268 --> 00:38:52.699 again the last topic, but. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5978-0 00:38:54.429 --> 00:38:57.880 Market and and cost for material shouldn't be as sensitive for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5978-1 00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:01.113 whether you know it shouldn't be as sensitive a factor for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5978-2 00:39:01.113 --> 00:39:04.400 whether or not a material stays on the rather recyclable or 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5978-3 00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.852 list. So I would agree that it's tougher to move things out of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5978-4 00:39:07.852 --> 00:39:11.084 the righteous cyclable bin, and I understand that might be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5978-5 00:39:11.084 --> 00:39:14.427 motivation to say we're gonna start small and then grow big, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5978-6 00:39:14.427 --> 00:39:17.495 but then we do get into that lock scenario of kind of a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5978-7 00:39:17.495 --> 00:39:20.672 lowest common denominator. And so I would agree with that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5978-8 00:39:20.672 --> 00:39:22.919 comment, I guess and I'll shut up there. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5983-0 00:39:23.959 --> 00:39:26.329 OK. Last one, markets. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5986-0 00:39:27.499 --> 00:39:28.209 What is? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/5994-0 00:39:30.839 --> 00:39:32.069 Are you speaking for AMERIPEN? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6018-0 00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:34.569 Yeah. So I'm speaking from AMERIPEN. I don't if I did that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6018-1 00:39:34.569 --> 00:39:36.979 in the introduction. So Andy Hackman, on behalf of American that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6018-2 00:39:36.979 --> 00:39:38.859 represents the entire packaging supply chain. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6032-0 00:39:39.609 --> 00:39:44.779 Does does AMERIPEN have, um, thoughts on the the Oregon? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6034-0 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:45.869 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6047-0 00:39:47.339 --> 00:39:50.513 I'm gonna. I'm gonna forget the term that they use uh. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6047-1 00:39:50.513 --> 00:39:51.899 responsible end markets. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6096-0 00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:56.770 We haven't gotten to the point of seeing implementation on that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6096-1 00:39:56.770 --> 00:39:59.842 language yet. We didn't raise specific concerns about it, so, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6096-2 00:39:59.842 --> 00:40:02.567 and I'm not staffing the regulatory implementation for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6096-3 00:40:02.567 --> 00:40:05.640 Oregon right now just because there's enough going on. So I'd 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6096-4 00:40:05.640 --> 00:40:08.712 have to check back and see if we've had any concerns with it, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6096-5 00:40:08.712 --> 00:40:10.149 but I don't think we've seen. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6101-0 00:40:10.889 --> 00:40:12.599 The implementation impact. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6111-0 00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:15.929 Any particular material yet at this point in time? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6130-0 00:40:17.049 --> 00:40:21.236 We've had discussions with DEQ around what's the ability for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6130-1 00:40:21.236 --> 00:40:24.600 the PRO and Oregon's a different system, right, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6130-2 00:40:24.600 --> 00:40:25.149 because. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6144-0 00:40:26.089 --> 00:40:29.464 At some level, the producers have have more control over 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6144-1 00:40:29.464 --> 00:40:31.359 responsible end markets because. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6214-0 00:40:32.469 --> 00:40:35.577 They will potentially be operating certain elements of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6214-1 00:40:35.577 --> 00:40:38.910 the system for the materials that are added to the system, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6214-2 00:40:38.910 --> 00:40:42.018 not not sort of the baseline materials that are in the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6214-3 00:40:42.018 --> 00:40:45.522 curbside collection, but as you have materials producers will 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6214-4 00:40:45.522 --> 00:40:48.742 have a little bit more control over that. So in terms of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6214-5 00:40:48.742 --> 00:40:52.415 responsible end markets, there's language in the Oregon law that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6214-6 00:40:52.415 --> 00:40:55.523 speaks to ensuring or been responsible and markets and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6214-7 00:40:55.523 --> 00:40:58.913 trying to document that in this sort of speaks to the audit 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6214-8 00:40:58.913 --> 00:41:02.191 portion as well getting data on that could potentially be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6214-9 00:41:02.191 --> 00:41:02.869 challenging. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6230-0 00:41:03.289 --> 00:41:07.282 Because obviously and and it's gonna be challenging in Maine, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6230-1 00:41:07.282 --> 00:41:09.279 more so because there's a disk. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6294-0 00:41:10.549 --> 00:41:14.029 The producers, the SO potentially and getting that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6294-1 00:41:14.029 --> 00:41:17.455 data from municipalities and where they're sending materials, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6294-2 00:41:17.455 --> 00:41:20.548 right. So you know I don't think we've got an objection 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6294-3 00:41:20.548 --> 00:41:23.808 necessarily to the Oregon language, but I think we need to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6294-4 00:41:23.808 --> 00:41:27.289 understand that there's sorting certain powers that the SO may 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6294-5 00:41:27.289 --> 00:41:30.659 not have in Maine because of the way the statutes designed. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6320-0 00:41:31.569 --> 00:41:34.147 Where the there they may have more ability with direct 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6320-1 00:41:34.147 --> 00:41:36.819 contracting for other materials to follow those those 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6320-2 00:41:36.819 --> 00:41:39.820 materials to their end market if that makes sense. I don't know 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6320-3 00:41:39.820 --> 00:41:41.789 if I completely got to your question but. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6324-0 00:41:42.619 --> 00:41:43.149 Mm-hmm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6323-0 00:41:43.259 --> 00:41:43.599 Better. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6327-0 00:41:45.019 --> 00:41:45.849 Yep, thanks. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6346-0 00:41:49.469 --> 00:41:53.153 So this might have a clarified guys, thought Tony Smith hand go 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6346-1 00:41:53.153 --> 00:41:55.399 up right now. So we'll go to him next. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6352-0 00:41:56.889 --> 00:41:58.799 So maybe he's got a question for. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6355-0 00:42:00.069 --> 00:42:00.519 Andy. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6392-0 00:42:08.189 --> 00:42:11.302 No, actually it's not a question. I mean, it's not a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6392-1 00:42:11.302 --> 00:42:15.121 clarification, it's question is responsible and markets what are 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6392-2 00:42:15.121 --> 00:42:18.705 those that just what it seems we're gonna follow a container 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6392-3 00:42:18.705 --> 00:42:22.289 ship, a cardboard to China and make sure it's used properly. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6399-0 00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:24.319 Is that what that's all about? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6408-0 00:42:26.059 --> 00:42:28.759 In an exaggerated world. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6443-0 00:42:30.409 --> 00:42:35.558 I I'll just speak to our experience in Oregon is that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6416-0 00:42:31.459 --> 00:42:32.109 Yes. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6420-0 00:42:32.189 --> 00:42:32.699 Just think. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6443-1 00:42:35.558 --> 00:42:41.340 they were hoping that the that the PRO, it is a PRO in Oregon, not an 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6443-2 00:42:41.340 --> 00:42:43.509 SO there. Oregon DEQ is. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6474-0 00:42:44.449 --> 00:42:48.381 Meaning that, yes, the producers would have the ability to see 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6474-1 00:42:48.381 --> 00:42:52.251 that a material was processed and sent to China and that they 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6474-2 00:42:52.251 --> 00:42:55.809 could raise concerns about that fact for responsible end 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6472-0 00:42:54.769 --> 00:42:55.729 So so. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6474-3 00:42:55.809 --> 00:42:56.309 markets. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6483-0 00:42:57.519 --> 00:42:59.399 So a lot of the end markets are countries. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6480-0 00:42:57.639 --> 00:42:58.389 So. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6505-0 00:43:01.089 --> 00:43:05.149 It potentially right, that's again, this is just discussions. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6488-0 00:43:01.579 --> 00:43:02.169 Right. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6504-0 00:43:03.489 --> 00:43:05.049 While they are, there were and are. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6518-0 00:43:06.459 --> 00:43:09.009 Yeah. Whoops. Sorry, Tony. That don't mean to cut you off. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6523-0 00:43:08.399 --> 00:43:10.209 No, I was going to say sorry, but they. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6532-0 00:43:11.499 --> 00:43:13.629 China was an end market as a country. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6538-0 00:43:15.129 --> 00:43:17.519 And some of the other southeastern countries. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6563-0 00:43:18.289 --> 00:43:22.397 Asian countries where as well. So is this what this says? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6563-1 00:43:22.397 --> 00:43:26.717 Somebody's gonna track where these recyclable materials from 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6563-2 00:43:26.717 --> 00:43:29.409 this country and up and they're used. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6579-0 00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:34.231 Properly in our definition of properly, as opposed to the them 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6579-1 00:43:34.231 --> 00:43:36.429 taking them and landfilling them. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6618-0 00:43:38.029 --> 00:43:42.375 There are a few conditions I think, that our fall underneath 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6618-1 00:43:42.375 --> 00:43:46.650 a responsible and market like the one that comes to mind is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6618-2 00:43:46.650 --> 00:43:50.782 wages and just like work conditions, but we can follow up 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6618-3 00:43:50.782 --> 00:43:55.057 with the details on that. I think it's still in development 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6618-4 00:43:55.057 --> 00:43:56.269 to say the least. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6626-0 00:43:55.699 --> 00:43:59.029 I, but I would, I would think so because the. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6657-0 00:44:00.019 --> 00:44:03.657 The Cobalt that goes to make the lithium for your electric cars 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6657-1 00:44:03.657 --> 00:44:07.012 lion share that we use comes from the Congo and that slave 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6657-2 00:44:07.012 --> 00:44:09.229 labor and child labor pick and shovel. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6671-0 00:44:11.439 --> 00:44:14.309 Same but different because you see what I'm my point is. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6662-0 00:44:11.999 --> 00:44:12.259 Just. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6668-0 00:44:13.229 --> 00:44:13.529 Right. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6697-0 00:44:16.019 --> 00:44:19.644 Yeah. And I just wanna make sure it's clear that that there's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6677-0 00:44:16.149 --> 00:44:16.839 So. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6697-1 00:44:19.644 --> 00:44:23.328 nothing in Maine in Maine's law that refers to responsible end 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6697-2 00:44:23.328 --> 00:44:25.609 markets. I was sort of more wondering. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6720-0 00:44:26.949 --> 00:44:30.911 If AMERIPEN had a stance that's that's something that Oregon is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6720-1 00:44:30.911 --> 00:44:34.687 doing and they're using it in part to determine if something 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6720-2 00:44:34.687 --> 00:44:35.059 is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6759-0 00:44:36.779 --> 00:44:39.940 Their version of readily recyclable. Do we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6738-0 00:44:39.899 --> 00:44:41.479 OK, OK. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6759-1 00:44:39.940 --> 00:44:43.666 think it's going somewhere where it's not just getting dumped and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6759-2 00:44:43.666 --> 00:44:47.110 do we have any? And? And so I was just wondering if AMERIPEN 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6759-3 00:44:47.110 --> 00:44:50.159 had a stance on that that is not part of Maine's law. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6771-0 00:44:50.709 --> 00:44:54.959 OK. That that's that's good right now. Thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6765-0 00:44:51.919 --> 00:44:52.239 Yeah. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6775-0 00:44:55.369 --> 00:44:56.429 OK. Thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6778-0 00:44:56.249 --> 00:44:57.059 Yeah, I mean it. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6779-0 00:44:56.789 --> 00:44:57.279 Yeah. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6783-0 00:45:00.419 --> 00:45:01.009 Is my hand. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6785-0 00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:02.619 There we go. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6790-0 00:45:03.979 --> 00:45:04.939 Did you have more Andy? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6789-0 00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:04.579 OK. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6820-0 00:45:06.169 --> 00:45:09.142 No, I just would say, I mean we've not formally commented on 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6820-1 00:45:09.142 --> 00:45:12.311 that in the regulatory approach. And Oregon, my comments here 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6820-2 00:45:12.311 --> 00:45:15.285 are just that they're there are challenges to doing that you 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6816-0 00:45:13.329 --> 00:45:13.639 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6820-3 00:45:15.285 --> 00:45:15.919 know and. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6891-0 00:45:16.809 --> 00:45:20.063 I think there's interest in ensuring that there's and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6891-1 00:45:20.063 --> 00:45:23.378 markets to the great extent possible, but particularly 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6891-2 00:45:23.378 --> 00:45:27.295 because it means means law, it's going to be tougher for the the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6891-3 00:45:27.295 --> 00:45:31.091 the SO or the PRO to try to get data back to a particular time 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6891-4 00:45:31.091 --> 00:45:34.647 that originated at Maine and they Maine, you know, we've got 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6891-5 00:45:34.647 --> 00:45:38.142 perhaps some convenience and it's my understanding of the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6891-6 00:45:38.142 --> 00:45:41.879 flow of our materials aren't typically to the West Coast. And 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6891-7 00:45:41.879 --> 00:45:45.555 then to to China so much you know, because of where we stand 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6891-8 00:45:45.555 --> 00:45:46.459 geographically. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6983-0 00:45:47.349 --> 00:45:50.718 But we may also have trouble, you know, getting information 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6983-1 00:45:50.718 --> 00:45:53.919 back because it's in French, you know, and and you know, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6983-2 00:45:53.919 --> 00:45:57.232 understanding what the wage and the conversion has between 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6983-3 00:45:57.232 --> 00:46:00.321 Canadian dollars and U.S. dollars and everything. So I 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6983-4 00:46:00.321 --> 00:46:03.465 just under score that I think it's a concept that needs 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6983-5 00:46:03.465 --> 00:46:06.891 continued discussion and I think we are supportive of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6983-6 00:46:06.891 --> 00:46:10.485 trying to do what we can within the confines of the law and the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6951-0 00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:09.089 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6957-0 00:46:10.189 --> 00:46:10.439 Yeah. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6983-7 00:46:10.485 --> 00:46:13.854 data that we that, that the SO means the SO that's going to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6983-8 00:46:13.854 --> 00:46:16.999 need to get the data back, right. That can try to help. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6979-0 00:46:14.729 --> 00:46:15.449 Let me talk about. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6996-0 00:46:17.129 --> 00:46:20.803 Provide greater context on this as it relates to readily 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7010-0 00:46:19.349 --> 00:46:19.709 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6996-1 00:46:20.803 --> 00:46:21.899 recyclable right. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/6998-0 00:46:22.959 --> 00:46:23.469 You know. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7021-0 00:46:24.619 --> 00:46:27.626 It it probably relates a little bit to our point around you know 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7021-1 00:46:27.626 --> 00:46:30.356 we need to probably look at things nationally just because 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7021-2 00:46:30.356 --> 00:46:31.559 of some of these dynamics. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7041-0 00:46:33.209 --> 00:46:36.404 But yeah, I think there's there's gonna have to be more 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7041-1 00:46:36.404 --> 00:46:39.599 data to to validate some of these additional endpoints. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7043-0 00:46:45.509 --> 00:46:45.879 6. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7060-0 00:46:47.339 --> 00:46:51.518 That's all questions for Andy will move on to Deborah Hart. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7060-1 00:46:51.518 --> 00:46:53.399 She's the next on the list. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7063-0 00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:56.219 Thank you, Andy. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7075-0 00:47:01.009 --> 00:47:04.414 Deborah, we're making you a presenter and welcoming you to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7075-1 00:47:04.414 --> 00:47:05.799 share your comment next. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7084-0 00:47:10.649 --> 00:47:14.059 Then the order will be Vanessa Berry and. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7089-0 00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:17.349 Abigail Sztein. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7095-0 00:47:22.539 --> 00:47:24.329 Good afternoon. Can you hear me OK? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7097-0 00:47:25.499 --> 00:47:26.129 Yes. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7189-0 00:47:27.689 --> 00:47:31.224 Good afternoon. My name is Deborah Hart and I'm presenting 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7189-1 00:47:31.224 --> 00:47:34.639 these comments on behalf of a client of mine, the Retail 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7189-2 00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:38.354 Association of Maine that has more than 350 member statewide. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7189-3 00:47:38.354 --> 00:47:41.889 They represent retailers of all sizes and employ more than 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7189-4 00:47:41.889 --> 00:47:45.664 85,000 people in the state of Maine on readily recyclable. The 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7189-5 00:47:45.664 --> 00:47:49.259 Retail Association of Maine believes that if you ask anyone 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7189-6 00:47:49.259 --> 00:47:52.435 in Maine whether glass, cardboard, paper or aluminum 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7189-7 00:47:52.435 --> 00:47:56.210 would be considered recyclable, they would almost always agree 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7189-8 00:47:56.210 --> 00:47:57.049 that they are. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7246-0 00:47:57.149 --> 00:48:00.672 But if you ask people about whether plastic bottles or other 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7246-1 00:48:00.672 --> 00:48:04.311 similar containers would begin sidered recyclable, many people 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7246-2 00:48:04.311 --> 00:48:07.776 would say they are. But then you get into the definition of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7246-3 00:48:07.776 --> 00:48:11.126 what's considered readily recyclable. While we understand 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7246-4 00:48:11.126 --> 00:48:14.302 the crux of the law is to incentivize producers to use 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7246-5 00:48:14.302 --> 00:48:17.595 packaging that is readily recyclable and to have markets 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7246-6 00:48:17.595 --> 00:48:21.349 for that material, we have some concerns that the determination. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7326-0 00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:26.116 Could be made that a material is considered readily recyclable 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7326-1 00:48:26.116 --> 00:48:29.932 one year, but because of market changes may be considered not 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7326-2 00:48:29.932 --> 00:48:33.379 readily recyclable. The following years, producers will 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7326-3 00:48:33.379 --> 00:48:37.318 not be able to change production methods quickly to accommodate 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7326-4 00:48:37.318 --> 00:48:41.134 such drastic changes. As noted in the preparation document, a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7326-5 00:48:41.134 --> 00:48:44.704 process for determining on an annual basis those types of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7326-6 00:48:44.704 --> 00:48:48.336 packaging material that are readily recyclable, which must 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7326-7 00:48:48.336 --> 00:48:52.090 involve consultation with the stewardship, organization, and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7326-8 00:48:52.090 --> 00:48:53.629 recycling establishments. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7401-0 00:48:53.989 --> 00:48:57.613 Must include a transitional period between the time that a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7401-1 00:48:57.613 --> 00:49:00.991 type of packaging material is determined to be readily 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7401-2 00:49:00.991 --> 00:49:04.799 recyclable or not to be readily recyclable, and the time that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7401-3 00:49:04.799 --> 00:49:08.300 such determination will be effective for the purposes of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7401-4 00:49:08.300 --> 00:49:12.108 calculating producer payments and municipal reimbursements in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7401-5 00:49:12.108 --> 00:49:16.161 accordance with this section, we would recommend that it be clear 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7401-6 00:49:16.161 --> 00:49:19.970 that when a particular material goes from readily recyclable, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7401-7 00:49:19.970 --> 00:49:23.470 that that list to a not readily recyclable list, that there be a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7401-8 00:49:23.470 --> 00:49:25.559 significant period of transition. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7487-0 00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:29.767 To allow producers to source compliant materials, we believe 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7487-1 00:49:29.767 --> 00:49:33.739 A3 year transition would not be unreasonable given the research, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7487-2 00:49:33.739 --> 00:49:37.283 investment and sourcing needed for a producer to change a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7487-3 00:49:37.283 --> 00:49:41.133 significant process like this setting goals in Maine's EPR program 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7487-4 00:49:41.133 --> 00:49:44.617 or critical without measurable goals that show increased 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7487-5 00:49:44.617 --> 00:49:48.039 recycling. The law simply shifting the cost of existing 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7487-6 00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:51.828 recycling infrastructure from individuals to producers. As we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7487-7 00:49:51.828 --> 00:49:55.555 learned during the passage of this law, means municipalities 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7487-8 00:49:55.555 --> 00:49:56.289 vary widely. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7561-0 00:49:56.489 --> 00:49:59.642 And the materials they accept and recycle. As such it we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7561-1 00:49:59.642 --> 00:50:02.906 believe it will be critical to make sure all participating 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7561-2 00:50:02.906 --> 00:50:06.170 municipalities are operating under similar regulations and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7561-3 00:50:06.170 --> 00:50:09.711 goals. One of the unknowns, of course, is how consumers will be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7561-4 00:50:09.711 --> 00:50:12.477 encouraged to change and increase their recycling 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7561-5 00:50:12.477 --> 00:50:15.465 efforts. Without that, a producer could package their 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7561-6 00:50:15.465 --> 00:50:18.452 goods in the most readily recyclable material. But if 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7561-7 00:50:18.452 --> 00:50:21.827 consumers don't do the right thing and recycle the material, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7561-8 00:50:21.827 --> 00:50:25.146 producers will still be on the hook for increased costs. We 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7561-9 00:50:25.146 --> 00:50:27.249 know that these are difficult issues. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7592-0 00:50:27.319 --> 00:50:30.427 Navigate and we appreciate the opportunity to share some 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7592-1 00:50:30.427 --> 00:50:33.972 thoughts on this process section of the process. If you have any 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7592-2 00:50:33.972 --> 00:50:36.917 questions for the retail association of Maine, I'd be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7592-3 00:50:36.917 --> 00:50:38.989 happy to take them back to Mr Picard. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7610-0 00:50:45.449 --> 00:50:48.743 Thank you, Debra. I'm just hang tight in the case. We have 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7610-1 00:50:48.743 --> 00:50:50.579 any clarifying questions for you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7613-0 00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:51.499 Thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7615-0 00:50:54.069 --> 00:50:54.399 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7623-0 00:50:55.249 --> 00:50:57.839 Deborah, I think at the end there you said. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7626-0 00:51:00.419 --> 00:51:01.789 That if. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7647-0 00:51:02.779 --> 00:51:07.137 Consumers don't do the right thing in, in and recycle. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7647-1 00:51:07.137 --> 00:51:12.289 Producers are still on the hook for the increased cost. Can you? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7653-0 00:51:13.989 --> 00:51:15.399 elaborate what you mean by that? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7682-0 00:51:16.339 --> 00:51:19.636 Well, I think that they will be charged for what they're putting 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7682-1 00:51:19.636 --> 00:51:22.833 into the system, but if, but if consumers aren't recycling it, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7682-2 00:51:22.833 --> 00:51:26.079 then producers are still gonna pay for something that never got 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7682-3 00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:28.109 into the recycling. That was our point. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7685-0 00:51:28.709 --> 00:51:29.559 OK. Thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7722-0 00:51:33.169 --> 00:51:36.566 And I think our bigger point is that there's going to be need to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7722-1 00:51:36.566 --> 00:51:39.336 be a pretty significant education process outside of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7722-2 00:51:39.336 --> 00:51:42.002 just the people that are listening to all of these 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7722-3 00:51:42.002 --> 00:51:45.190 meetings, knowing what your ultimate goals are and how we're 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7722-4 00:51:45.190 --> 00:51:46.549 going to comply with them. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7725-0 00:51:52.609 --> 00:51:53.089 Thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7727-0 00:51:54.049 --> 00:51:54.509 You're welcome. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7740-0 00:51:55.669 --> 00:51:59.236 Yes, we don't have any follow up questions. So we're going to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7740-1 00:51:59.236 --> 00:51:59.869 move on to. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7745-0 00:52:01.189 --> 00:52:02.239 Our next speaker. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7748-0 00:52:03.069 --> 00:52:03.649 Thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7752-0 00:52:04.569 --> 00:52:05.509 Vanessa Berry. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7755-0 00:52:06.229 --> 00:52:06.859 Enter. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7761-0 00:52:20.149 --> 00:52:21.339 And we can see you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7766-0 00:52:23.189 --> 00:52:24.299 But not hear you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7805-0 00:52:41.669 --> 00:52:45.435 Would you come back again? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7805-1 00:52:45.435 --> 00:52:49.139 We'll make Abigail Sztein a presenter and we'll circle back to you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7805-2 00:52:49.139 --> 00:52:53.030 Vanessa. Maybe just check the settings and make sure that the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7805-3 00:52:53.030 --> 00:52:56.859 sound settings have it that you're using it and the external 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7805-4 00:52:56.859 --> 00:52:57.299 device. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7817-0 00:52:57.959 --> 00:53:02.335 OK. So Abigail, we're going to ask that you share your comments 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7817-1 00:53:02.335 --> 00:53:02.609 now. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7823-0 00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:09.289 OK. Can you all hear me? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7828-0 00:53:10.099 --> 00:53:10.929 And see you think. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7857-0 00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:16.814 OK, try back. I will note that I do also have some comments 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7857-1 00:53:16.814 --> 00:53:21.661 related to the goals and so I don't know if you would rather I 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7857-2 00:53:21.661 --> 00:53:22.969 split that up or. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7866-0 00:53:24.499 --> 00:53:26.479 Umm do it all at once? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7886-0 00:53:25.429 --> 00:53:28.907 See here. So no, just start with readily recyclable and we'll 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7886-1 00:53:28.907 --> 00:53:31.319 circle back for the goals part. Thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7890-0 00:53:32.269 --> 00:53:32.639 Thanks. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7893-0 00:53:33.819 --> 00:53:34.309 All right. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7922-0 00:53:35.549 --> 00:53:38.805 Good afternoon. I'm Abby Sztein with the American Forest and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7922-1 00:53:38.805 --> 00:53:41.791 Paper Associations, National Trade Association for the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7922-2 00:53:41.791 --> 00:53:44.559 forests and paper products manufacturing industry. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7944-0 00:53:45.109 --> 00:53:48.474 Umm. In May and the first box industry operates 35 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7944-1 00:53:48.474 --> 00:53:52.367 manufacturing facilities with more than 13,000 individuals 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/7944-2 00:53:52.367 --> 00:53:53.489 across the state. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8028-0 00:53:54.269 --> 00:53:57.812 Umm people recycling rates in the US have consistently 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8028-1 00:53:57.812 --> 00:54:01.806 increased in recent decades, with 68% of paper recovered from 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8028-2 00:54:01.806 --> 00:54:05.865 recycling in 2021. The industry recycles about 50 million tons 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8028-3 00:54:05.865 --> 00:54:09.730 of recovered paper every year, totaling more than 1 billion 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8028-4 00:54:09.730 --> 00:54:13.724 tons over the past 20 years. Recycling is integrated into our 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8028-5 00:54:13.724 --> 00:54:17.525 business to an extent that makes us unique among the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8028-6 00:54:17.525 --> 00:54:21.584 manufacturing industries. Our Members actually own and operate 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8028-7 00:54:21.584 --> 00:54:23.839 114 materials recovery facilities. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8040-0 00:54:24.259 --> 00:54:28.879 And 80% of paper mills use some amount of recycled fiber. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8093-0 00:54:29.659 --> 00:54:34.036 Umm, you know, I think we mentioned this at the previous 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8093-1 00:54:34.036 --> 00:54:38.122 session, but we consider this discussion around readily 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8093-2 00:54:38.122 --> 00:54:42.499 recyclable tightly bound to the discussion around municipal 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8093-3 00:54:42.499 --> 00:54:47.022 reimbursements because of the way that the definition of 1 is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8093-4 00:54:47.022 --> 00:54:51.400 going to decide the amount of the other. And so we consider 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8093-5 00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:55.266 this to be an extremely important part of the larger 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8093-6 00:54:55.266 --> 00:54:56.069 discussion. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8165-0 00:54:56.729 --> 00:55:01.055 Umm was mentioned earlier. I think maybe by Andy Hackman noted 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8165-1 00:55:01.055 --> 00:55:05.525 in Oregon the implementation process for their ERP program is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8165-2 00:55:05.525 --> 00:55:09.275 also underway and Steve Navedo discussions there have been 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8165-3 00:55:09.275 --> 00:55:13.529 talking about establishing a list of recyclable materials, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8165-4 00:55:13.529 --> 00:55:18.288 kind of giving a rating based on how recyclable they are. There's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8165-5 00:55:18.288 --> 00:55:22.326 perhaps a similar opportunity for me to do this kind of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8165-6 00:55:22.326 --> 00:55:26.291 process, but we think that amplifies the importance of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8165-7 00:55:26.291 --> 00:55:29.969 conducting the state or regional needs assessment. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8173-0 00:55:30.299 --> 00:55:33.029 To really understand the systems that are successful. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8217-0 00:55:34.409 --> 00:55:38.476 And those that frankly present opportunities from improvement, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8217-1 00:55:38.476 --> 00:55:42.027 a lot of that data already exists in Oregon because of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8217-2 00:55:42.027 --> 00:55:45.965 other projects they've been doing over the years and more of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8217-3 00:55:45.965 --> 00:55:49.774 that I think that may need to happen in May and just to be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8217-4 00:55:49.774 --> 00:55:52.809 able to understand the the separate functions. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8284-0 00:55:53.479 --> 00:55:57.896 Umm, when we think about readily recyclable, you know, we have 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8284-1 00:55:57.896 --> 00:56:01.962 some some thoughts related to the decision process. If we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8284-2 00:56:01.962 --> 00:56:06.309 think it should include more of the stakeholders. The statute 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8284-3 00:56:06.309 --> 00:56:10.376 says it's sorted, paper is considered recyclable if it is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8284-4 00:56:10.376 --> 00:56:14.442 not required further processing before entering a pulping 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8284-5 00:56:14.442 --> 00:56:18.368 operation. So the pulping operation operation should be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8284-6 00:56:18.368 --> 00:56:22.715 part of the determination of whether something is recyclable, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8284-7 00:56:22.715 --> 00:56:24.889 not just the entity that would. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8296-0 00:56:25.029 --> 00:56:27.769 Left the materials in order to sell them to the full channel. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8369-0 00:56:29.459 --> 00:56:33.915 Our industry has done a lot of work related to recyclability 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8369-1 00:56:33.915 --> 00:56:37.326 including creating a design guidance for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8369-2 00:56:37.326 --> 00:56:41.225 recyclability where we've actually examined some of the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8369-3 00:56:41.225 --> 00:56:45.681 things that are most important for making something recyclable. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8369-4 00:56:45.681 --> 00:56:50.067 Work with packaging, designers and consumer brands to maximize 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8369-5 00:56:50.067 --> 00:56:54.175 recyclability, in addition to better understanding how non 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8369-6 00:56:54.175 --> 00:56:58.143 fiber elements might in fact impact the recyclability of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8369-7 00:56:58.143 --> 00:56:58.979 paper based. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8371-0 00:56:59.049 --> 00:56:59.549 Packaging. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8430-0 00:57:00.759 --> 00:57:05.048 Another essential factor for understanding readily recyclable 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8430-1 00:57:05.048 --> 00:57:09.476 should be connected to not just. If a material can be recycled, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8430-2 00:57:09.476 --> 00:57:13.557 but whether it's recycled the level to which a material is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8430-3 00:57:13.557 --> 00:57:17.916 actually recycled we think is important to help in determining 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8430-4 00:57:17.916 --> 00:57:22.136 where funding is potentially needed to improve the ecosystem 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8430-5 00:57:22.136 --> 00:57:25.249 could be an appropriate to potential factor. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8485-0 00:57:27.339 --> 00:57:30.582 The you know, paper and wood products industry has an 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8485-1 00:57:30.582 --> 00:57:34.306 inherently circular supply chain from the replanting of trees 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8485-2 00:57:34.306 --> 00:57:37.850 that supply fiber and enhance the environment to recycling 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8485-3 00:57:37.850 --> 00:57:41.454 paper and packaging that's turned into new products. And so 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8485-4 00:57:41.454 --> 00:57:45.359 we think that all of this, it's necessary for tying it together. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8499-0 00:57:45.869 --> 00:57:49.539 Umm, so I think the remainder of my comments are really the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8499-1 00:57:49.539 --> 00:57:51.069 goals. So it's not there. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8503-0 00:57:52.629 --> 00:57:54.059 OK. Thank you so much. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8518-0 00:57:54.209 --> 00:57:57.344 And we're just gonna take a moment to see if we have any 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8518-1 00:57:57.344 --> 00:57:58.499 clarifying questions. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8525-0 00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:03.629 We don't have any in house. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8527-0 00:58:03.859 --> 00:58:04.389 I do. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8532-0 00:58:04.879 --> 00:58:05.959 OK, thanks. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8578-0 00:58:06.339 --> 00:58:10.432 Umm so you suggest including helping facilities in a decision 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8578-1 00:58:10.432 --> 00:58:14.591 making process which I think you know sounds like a good idea. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8578-2 00:58:14.591 --> 00:58:18.552 The one thing that I wonder about is my understanding and I 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8578-3 00:58:18.552 --> 00:58:22.645 could be wrong is that different pulping facilities have very 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8578-4 00:58:22.645 --> 00:58:26.871 different capabilities in terms of what they can accept. And so 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8578-5 00:58:26.871 --> 00:58:27.069 if. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8588-0 00:58:28.469 --> 00:58:31.999 pulping facilities were included in that decision making process. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8602-0 00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:36.164 Umm do you have suggestions on how we could ensure that we have 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8602-1 00:58:36.164 --> 00:58:39.319 sort of a representative understanding of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8607-0 00:58:40.349 --> 00:58:41.149 What they can do? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8683-0 00:58:43.029 --> 00:58:46.802 Yeah. You know, I think that's a really good question because 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8683-1 00:58:46.802 --> 00:58:50.331 frankly one of the things that always draws some very big 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8683-2 00:58:50.331 --> 00:58:54.043 concerns from our industry when we think about EPR programs 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8683-3 00:58:54.043 --> 00:58:57.816 like this is that there are so many factors that are going to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8683-4 00:58:57.816 --> 00:59:01.710 create not just new costs, but frankly a lot of time commitment 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8683-5 00:59:01.710 --> 00:59:05.544 by folks that are participating in the process. And so I think 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8683-6 00:59:05.544 --> 00:59:09.134 that's a very good question. I'm not sure it's on that. I 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8683-7 00:59:09.134 --> 00:59:12.299 have an answer for, but maybe it's something I can. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8726-0 00:59:12.979 --> 00:59:16.950 Umm, talk to someone numbers. I think a part of it is going to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8726-1 00:59:16.950 --> 00:59:20.921 be a, you know, the version of EPR that passed and they did not 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8726-2 00:59:20.921 --> 00:59:24.451 include an Advisory Council. But I think there is still 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8726-3 00:59:24.451 --> 00:59:26.909 potentially a lot of value for having. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8749-0 00:59:29.019 --> 00:59:33.701 You know, not just stakeholder engagement at this stage, but in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8749-1 00:59:33.701 --> 00:59:37.359 the later phases, the process that it's not just. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8782-0 00:59:37.839 --> 00:59:41.739 Umm, potentially a stewardship organization operating in a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8782-1 00:59:41.739 --> 00:59:45.441 vacuum, but getting continual feedback. Continual input 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8782-2 00:59:45.441 --> 00:59:49.209 because so much of this does change. Markets are dynamic 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8782-3 00:59:49.209 --> 00:59:52.449 processes change, new materials come out and so. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8790-0 00:59:54.329 --> 00:59:57.039 Yeah. I think ongoing conversations would be valuable. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8799-0 00:59:59.049 --> 01:00:03.519 And is your organization has. Have you guys considered? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8820-0 01:00:04.059 --> 01:00:07.939 Umm if say you would have a role as a stakeholder going forward 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8820-1 01:00:07.939 --> 01:00:11.516 in such a decision making process to sort of represent the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8820-2 01:00:11.516 --> 01:00:12.729 industry as a whole. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8823-0 01:00:15.959 --> 01:00:16.649 Ohm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8827-0 01:00:17.789 --> 01:00:18.429 That's a. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8839-0 01:00:20.449 --> 01:00:24.049 I think that that is a possibility and you know I I 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8839-1 01:00:24.049 --> 01:00:24.949 believe that. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8841-0 01:00:25.449 --> 01:00:26.079 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8849-0 01:00:26.929 --> 01:00:29.869 I mean, isn't extremely important. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8900-0 01:00:30.569 --> 01:00:34.099 State for our industry and so the the time that we can send 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8900-1 01:00:34.099 --> 01:00:37.983 and being a part of this process and being a stakeholder is gonna 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8900-2 01:00:37.983 --> 01:00:41.631 be really valuable. And whether it's me or maybe someone that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8900-3 01:00:41.631 --> 01:00:45.397 can even be more valuable to the discussion, I think they would 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8900-4 01:00:45.397 --> 01:00:46.809 love to be part of that. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8904-0 01:00:47.529 --> 01:00:48.329 That would be helpful. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8913-0 01:00:50.509 --> 01:00:52.959 OK. And my my last question actually, I guess I have. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8926-0 01:00:53.729 --> 01:00:58.600 Two more questions. Umm you guys don't have like an APR type 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8926-1 01:00:58.600 --> 01:00:58.999 list. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8935-0 01:01:01.629 --> 01:01:03.789 Of recyclable fiber products. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8932-0 01:01:02.109 --> 01:01:02.729 Uh. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8939-0 01:01:05.969 --> 01:01:07.289 Ah, you know what? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8972-0 01:01:09.099 --> 01:01:12.782 A vast majority of our products are recyclable. Depending on the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8972-1 01:01:12.782 --> 01:01:16.239 state definition, whether we have an existing one, I'll have 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8972-2 01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:19.412 to get back to you. I'm not sure if something like that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8972-3 01:01:19.412 --> 01:01:21.339 specifically exists, but I would. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8984-0 01:01:22.329 --> 01:01:26.198 Say that some of that gets tied to how the State ends up 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8984-1 01:01:26.198 --> 01:01:26.809 defining. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/8996-0 01:01:29.499 --> 01:01:35.329 OK. OK. And my last question is about yield. Do you think so? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9037-0 01:01:36.609 --> 01:01:40.929 Umm, my understanding is that sort of mixed paper is every 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9037-1 01:01:40.929 --> 01:01:45.395 time paper gets recycled the change the cellulose chains get 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9037-2 01:01:45.395 --> 01:01:49.788 shorter and at a certain point in time they're so short and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9037-3 01:01:49.788 --> 01:01:54.181 they sort of just wash out of the process and are is do you 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9037-4 01:01:54.181 --> 01:01:55.499 think there's any? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9072-0 01:01:56.809 --> 01:02:00.612 And and then also in like mixed materials that may have paper 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9072-1 01:02:00.612 --> 01:02:04.354 and other materials. Are there any yield considerations that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9072-2 01:02:04.354 --> 01:02:08.034 you think are important in terms of defining what's readily 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9072-3 01:02:08.034 --> 01:02:09.629 recyclable and what's not? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9095-0 01:02:11.139 --> 01:02:15.311 Yeah, that's a really good question because I was going to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9095-1 01:02:15.311 --> 01:02:19.342 get into it, but with the post consumer recycled content 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9095-2 01:02:19.342 --> 01:02:22.949 discussion. But you're absolutely right, you know. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9137-0 01:02:24.999 --> 01:02:28.925 Fiber is one of those things that is not an absolute endless 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9137-1 01:02:28.925 --> 01:02:32.980 loop. Generally, paper fibers last five to seven times because 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9137-2 01:02:32.980 --> 01:02:36.842 before they're too short and they kind of get washed out in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9137-3 01:02:36.842 --> 01:02:40.703 Missouri, which is part of the reason why renewably sourced 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9137-4 01:02:40.703 --> 01:02:44.694 sustainably sourced version, fiber is an important element to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9137-5 01:02:44.694 --> 01:02:45.209 sustain. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9173-0 01:02:46.269 --> 01:02:51.532 And to to grow the fiber that is used. And so you know as to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9173-1 01:02:51.532 --> 01:02:56.537 yield in particular, I don't know if you're talking about 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9173-2 01:02:56.537 --> 01:03:01.628 your utilization of what's collected or if you're thinking 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9173-3 01:03:01.628 --> 01:03:03.699 more along the lines of. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9185-0 01:03:04.259 --> 01:03:08.886 Umm, how much is collected at what? What is it that you mean 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9185-1 01:03:08.886 --> 01:03:09.569 by yield? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9197-0 01:03:10.549 --> 01:03:15.059 Umm, so just I'm. I'm wondering if I imagine that. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9204-0 01:03:16.169 --> 01:03:18.979 So there's several ways that like. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9278-0 01:03:20.249 --> 01:03:24.696 I can think of that a A, say a pumping operation is taking in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9278-1 01:03:24.696 --> 01:03:28.999 material and not producing material and one of them is that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9278-2 01:03:28.999 --> 01:03:33.662 washout and the other is it's a milk carton that's got a plastic 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9278-3 01:03:33.662 --> 01:03:37.320 liner in it. And so only whatever percent of it is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9278-4 01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:42.054 actually 5 or to begin with that sort of yield loss are there. Do 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9278-5 01:03:42.054 --> 01:03:45.999 you guys have any thoughts on on numbers there, what's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9263-0 01:03:42.889 --> 01:03:43.309 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9278-6 01:03:45.999 --> 01:03:48.079 appropriate in terms of like? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9277-0 01:03:47.219 --> 01:03:48.199 Yeah. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9292-0 01:03:50.759 --> 01:03:53.523 Yeah. Sorry. Did you finish your thought? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9317-0 01:03:52.819 --> 01:03:56.281 No, just it just in terms of the amount of a carton that might, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9292-1 01:03:53.523 --> 01:03:53.809 Sorry. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9298-0 01:03:54.649 --> 01:03:54.849 Yeah. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9317-1 01:03:56.281 --> 01:03:59.418 you know, I think those those things with the middle ends 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9317-2 01:03:59.418 --> 01:04:02.339 might be another. Another example of a material that. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9329-0 01:04:03.379 --> 01:04:06.428 Of the package that has some paper, and if it were to go to a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9329-1 01:04:06.428 --> 01:04:06.969 paper mill. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9345-0 01:04:08.859 --> 01:04:13.222 They'd they'd do some of it, but not all of it. And and is that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9342-0 01:04:12.979 --> 01:04:13.309 Yeah. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9345-1 01:04:13.222 --> 01:04:14.449 recyclable or not? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9358-0 01:04:15.409 --> 01:04:17.839 What if they only use 30% of it? Is it recyclable? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9353-0 01:04:15.889 --> 01:04:16.359 Uh. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9428-0 01:04:19.279 --> 01:04:23.660 Right. And I think that that's you know something that can be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9428-1 01:04:23.660 --> 01:04:28.325 tackled in a couple of different ways. One factor is that frankly 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9428-2 01:04:28.325 --> 01:04:32.777 Maine in particulars, recycling rate is going to go up a lot as 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9428-3 01:04:32.777 --> 01:04:36.876 some of the sorting processes and programs are updated to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9428-4 01:04:36.876 --> 01:04:41.187 maybe eliminate single stream recycling, for example. That's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9428-5 01:04:41.187 --> 01:04:44.791 something that our industry hates because it's the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9428-6 01:04:44.791 --> 01:04:48.819 contamination, but often comes with that. And so that is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9428-7 01:04:48.819 --> 01:04:50.869 something that has an impact. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9489-0 01:04:50.949 --> 01:04:55.054 On yield, I think you're also talking a little bit about 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9489-1 01:04:55.054 --> 01:04:59.447 visualization, which you know we're really proud of the fact 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9489-2 01:04:59.447 --> 01:05:03.624 that we've gotten to a 68% recovery rate. But how much of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9489-3 01:05:03.624 --> 01:05:08.017 that we're actually utilizing is the next number that we are 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9489-4 01:05:08.017 --> 01:05:12.626 focused on continuing to improve and some of that comes with an 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9489-5 01:05:12.626 --> 01:05:15.939 improved sorting process where we're able to. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9498-0 01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:20.809 You know, get it into this separate. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9571-0 01:05:22.179 --> 01:05:26.699 You know, processes in a way that maximizes where it needs to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9571-1 01:05:26.699 --> 01:05:31.366 be. Very specifically one type and where some of our processes, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9571-2 01:05:31.366 --> 01:05:36.032 maybe we are able to filter more of that out in the whole thing 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9571-3 01:05:36.032 --> 01:05:39.896 process. So there's opportunities and that's part of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9571-4 01:05:39.896 --> 01:05:44.271 what some of our industries ongoing investments get into is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9571-5 01:05:44.271 --> 01:05:48.792 continuing to update our own technology, improve our machines 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9571-6 01:05:48.792 --> 01:05:52.729 or even you know in some cases building new machines. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9576-0 01:05:53.029 --> 01:05:54.589 So that's an important factor. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9643-0 01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:59.853 Umm. And also, you know, having the ability to better direct the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9643-1 01:05:59.853 --> 01:06:03.557 collective materials so that products that need a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9643-2 01:06:03.557 --> 01:06:08.001 particularly high quality fiber or getting stuff where they 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9643-3 01:06:08.001 --> 01:06:12.371 don't need to sort as much of that out and then facilities 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9643-4 01:06:12.371 --> 01:06:17.037 where you know you can have a little bit more of a mixed fiber 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9643-5 01:06:17.037 --> 01:06:21.185 in there or getting that and so that that makes it more 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9643-6 01:06:21.185 --> 01:06:24.889 efficient, it makes it frankly more and you know. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9653-0 01:06:24.959 --> 01:06:28.599 Cost effective and it it creates a lot of opportunities there. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9656-0 01:06:31.279 --> 01:06:31.649 Thanks. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9657-0 01:06:32.369 --> 01:06:32.569 What? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9663-0 01:06:33.649 --> 01:06:35.369 I think I saw Dave. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9680-0 01:06:36.109 --> 01:06:38.553 Westerhof, pop his hand up. So I'm assuming it's. He's got 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9680-1 01:06:38.553 --> 01:06:40.509 questions for Abigail. So we're gonna make you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9682-0 01:06:41.579 --> 01:06:42.169 Presenter. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9693-0 01:06:47.489 --> 01:06:50.215 Hi, this is Dave Westerhof. I actually work at the Kellogg 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9693-1 01:06:50.215 --> 01:06:50.579 Company. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9706-0 01:06:51.269 --> 01:06:58.749 Umm. And there is basically a EPR equivalent testing for fiber. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9743-0 01:07:00.939 --> 01:07:05.054 So critical guidance testing that uses a couple different 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9743-1 01:07:05.054 --> 01:07:09.169 pilot plans around the country, one of them being Western 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9743-2 01:07:09.169 --> 01:07:13.710 Michigan University where we're targeting 85% fiber recovery in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9743-3 01:07:13.710 --> 01:07:15.129 order to consider a. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9749-0 01:07:16.229 --> 01:07:19.939 Uh paper or fiber based package? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9757-0 01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:23.669 What do I click your example with some plastic. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9791-0 01:07:24.449 --> 01:07:28.072 That could be recovered and it has to reach 85% fiber recovery 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9791-1 01:07:28.072 --> 01:07:31.178 to be deemed curbside recyclable. So I just wanted to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9791-2 01:07:31.178 --> 01:07:34.629 pass that on. So I think that's the question you're asking. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9805-0 01:07:37.139 --> 01:07:39.252 Yeah, it was. Could you say the name of the facility? And I 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9805-1 01:07:39.252 --> 01:07:40.309 think you said Michigan again. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9815-0 01:07:40.879 --> 01:07:43.772 Yeah, it's Western Michigan University. It's in Kalamazoo, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9815-1 01:07:43.772 --> 01:07:43.919 MI. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9824-0 01:07:45.739 --> 01:07:49.409 But that's basically critical guidance testing for structures. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9830-0 01:07:50.179 --> 01:07:52.189 Paper based structures to be recyclable. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9833-0 01:07:54.149 --> 01:07:54.539 Thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9842-0 01:08:01.659 --> 01:08:04.399 Wanna check the chat? Ohh yeah. Let's check the chat. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9847-0 01:08:05.689 --> 01:08:06.949 Meanwhile, back in the chat. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9849-0 01:08:08.049 --> 01:08:08.519 OK. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9852-0 01:08:09.789 --> 01:08:10.299 I think we're 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9855-0 01:08:12.249 --> 01:08:12.939 chat free. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9858-0 01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:16.769 Yeah. OK. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9874-0 01:08:18.019 --> 01:08:21.198 Ohh great. Well, I guess we'll move on to Vanessa. Ohh. Wait. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9874-1 01:08:21.198 --> 01:08:23.249 We do have a question. I have one more. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9902-0 01:08:24.839 --> 01:08:28.265 It probably wasn't paying attention, but I thought I heard 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9902-1 01:08:28.265 --> 01:08:31.807 Abigail say the paper industry hates single stream. I hope I 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9902-2 01:08:31.807 --> 01:08:33.259 heard that wrong because. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9934-0 01:08:33.929 --> 01:08:38.145 As far as I know, all the MRFs in Maine and elsewhere, they do 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9934-1 01:08:38.145 --> 01:08:42.037 move paper to Canadian mills, some US mills that I had just 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9934-2 01:08:42.037 --> 01:08:43.789 missed. Understand that or. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9968-0 01:08:47.459 --> 01:08:51.238 You know, I would say that ultimately what we want most of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9968-1 01:08:51.238 --> 01:08:54.825 all is that as much paper is recovered for recycling as 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/9968-2 01:08:54.825 --> 01:08:58.669 possible, that's always going to be our our key preference. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10006-0 01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:03.303 Umm, the trend? I think it was mostly in the 90s toward 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10006-1 01:09:03.303 --> 01:09:07.595 shifting away from dual stream to single stream recycling 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10006-2 01:09:07.595 --> 01:09:12.035 raised a lot of concerns for many of our Members because it 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10006-3 01:09:12.035 --> 01:09:15.069 led to an increased contamination level. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10019-0 01:09:16.149 --> 01:09:20.530 For a lot of the fiber and and frankly created a lot more 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10019-1 01:09:20.530 --> 01:09:21.059 effort. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10028-0 01:09:22.199 --> 01:09:25.109 For the sorting side of things and so while. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10032-0 01:09:25.619 --> 01:09:27.399 Umm, you know? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10046-0 01:09:28.149 --> 01:09:32.635 Recycling was happening or is happening on it. It's not 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10046-1 01:09:32.635 --> 01:09:34.799 necessarily more effective. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10054-0 01:09:35.779 --> 01:09:38.459 Would be the concern, that's you know. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10096-0 01:09:39.549 --> 01:09:43.526 Not saying that every individual facility is creating new 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10096-1 01:09:43.526 --> 01:09:47.434 problems or having serious issues and not saying that in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10096-2 01:09:47.434 --> 01:09:51.753 any way. It's just that by and large it has led to an increase 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10096-3 01:09:51.753 --> 01:09:55.730 in contamination and but in comparison to other processes 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10096-4 01:09:55.730 --> 01:09:56.759 that separate it. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10099-0 01:10:00.389 --> 01:10:01.329 Alright, that was good. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10124-0 01:10:02.829 --> 01:10:06.377 And I just saw Tony have his popped his hand up too. So I'm 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10124-1 01:10:06.377 --> 01:10:09.749 same follow the follow up question for everyone. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10130-0 01:10:10.709 --> 01:10:12.519 Tony, we're making you a presenter. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10141-0 01:10:14.499 --> 01:10:17.289 Thank you. Abigail, you're in the pulp and paper industry. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10158-0 01:10:19.259 --> 01:10:24.298 And you, you. Yes. And you folks take recyclables to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10148-0 01:10:19.489 --> 01:10:20.629 I yes. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10158-1 01:10:24.298 --> 01:10:24.959 process. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10194-0 01:10:26.209 --> 01:10:29.676 I am with the American forest and Paper Association, which is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10164-0 01:10:27.149 --> 01:10:27.479 Yeah. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10173-0 01:10:29.279 --> 01:10:29.479 Yes. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10194-1 01:10:29.676 --> 01:10:33.255 the National Trade Association, so I my company, my association 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10194-2 01:10:33.255 --> 01:10:35.939 individually doesn't let, but I'm number still. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10202-0 01:10:36.559 --> 01:10:41.949 OK, so source separated recycling makes their. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10204-0 01:10:42.689 --> 01:10:43.549 Job. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10251-0 01:10:44.829 --> 01:10:49.900 How can I say it easier I guess, correct. So there's a vested 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10217-0 01:10:48.269 --> 01:10:48.699 Correct. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10251-1 01:10:49.900 --> 01:10:55.217 interest by those folks to have the source separated relative to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10251-2 01:10:55.217 --> 01:11:00.289 the single source single stream recycling. OK, but I know the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10251-3 01:11:00.289 --> 01:11:04.379 the one of the the facility I'm involved with is. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10262-0 01:11:06.779 --> 01:11:09.752 Once it's up and running once again, which I'm confident it 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10262-1 01:11:09.752 --> 01:11:10.149 will be. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10265-0 01:11:11.189 --> 01:11:11.999 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10288-0 01:11:13.459 --> 01:11:19.699 Has single stream and the source separated and and while it was 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10288-1 01:11:19.699 --> 01:11:24.379 operational we we saw they saw 60-65% diversion. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10321-0 01:11:25.169 --> 01:11:28.828 On 3 occasions, granted it was only in operation for seven 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10321-1 01:11:28.828 --> 01:11:32.549 months and then and then the doors were closed for a couple 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10321-2 01:11:32.549 --> 01:11:36.456 of reasons. But OK, my primary question was but but again, the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10321-3 01:11:36.456 --> 01:11:38.379 recycling. If you make it easy. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10348-0 01:11:39.149 --> 01:11:42.628 I I think the way you increase your cycling is you make it 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10348-1 01:11:42.628 --> 01:11:46.402 really easy, which is is what we had was the called one bin all 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10348-2 01:11:46.402 --> 01:11:46.579 in. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10373-0 01:11:47.289 --> 01:11:51.014 The recycling garbage was mixed together in this facility. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10373-1 01:11:51.014 --> 01:11:54.423 Separated it it it's it's a pretty amazing plant. The 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10373-2 01:11:54.423 --> 01:11:55.939 technology that's in it. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10385-0 01:11:57.179 --> 01:11:59.782 Or hit people in the pocketbooks. That's the way 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10385-1 01:11:59.782 --> 01:12:01.429 you'll increase your recycling. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10390-0 01:12:02.889 --> 01:12:04.759 Thank you. Thank you, Elena. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10392-0 01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:07.129 Thank you, Tony. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10397-0 01:12:07.879 --> 01:12:09.509 And that's the thing. Yeah, Heather. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10410-0 01:12:10.399 --> 01:12:13.487 Has Mark popped their hand up too? Sorry, but that that will 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10410-1 01:12:13.487 --> 01:12:14.449 get you the second. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10485-0 01:12:21.749 --> 01:12:25.397 Hi, good afternoon. This is Heather Kazmark from Pactiv 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10485-1 01:12:25.397 --> 01:12:29.501 Evergreen and there was just a comment a few minutes ago about 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10485-2 01:12:29.501 --> 01:12:33.475 cartons that contain a small amount of plastic and aluminum 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10485-3 01:12:33.475 --> 01:12:36.797 and their ability to be recycled. I believe I just 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10485-4 01:12:36.797 --> 01:12:40.640 wanted to make a couple of comments that we recommend that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10485-5 01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:44.744 you know Gable top and aseptic cartoons is meant was mentioned 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10485-6 01:12:44.744 --> 01:12:48.783 be sorted in their own grade paper specification grade 52 and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10485-7 01:12:48.783 --> 01:12:48.979 so. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10540-0 01:12:50.219 --> 01:12:53.779 This you know, this material has a market that you know when 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10540-1 01:12:53.779 --> 01:12:57.456 they're bailed correctly into grade 52, they could be used for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10540-2 01:12:57.456 --> 01:13:01.250 new products recycled to be used for tissue paper towels, office 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10540-3 01:13:01.250 --> 01:13:04.694 paper and even construction materials. So I just wanted to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10540-4 01:13:04.694 --> 01:13:08.254 mention that I don't know if that's helpful to the comments, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10540-5 01:13:08.254 --> 01:13:10.939 you know, to complement what Abby was saying. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10549-0 01:13:14.869 --> 01:13:15.719 Yes, that was helpful. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10550-0 01:13:15.029 --> 01:13:16.099 I'm sorry. Can you say who you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10557-0 01:13:18.339 --> 01:13:19.169 She's with carton. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10561-0 01:13:18.409 --> 01:13:20.169 Could you say who you work for again? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10567-0 01:13:21.209 --> 01:13:23.599 Right, the Pactiv Evergreen. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10573-0 01:13:25.129 --> 01:13:26.689 Pactiv Evergreen. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10571-0 01:13:25.419 --> 01:13:25.749 P. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10576-0 01:13:27.109 --> 01:13:27.929 Yes, correct. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10579-0 01:13:37.539 --> 01:13:37.799 Thanks. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10584-0 01:13:38.699 --> 01:13:39.889 Thank you very much. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10593-0 01:13:44.439 --> 01:13:45.669 That that's. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10597-0 01:13:44.759 --> 01:13:47.409 Thank you. That's a great clarification. Appreciate that. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10604-0 01:13:50.059 --> 01:13:52.869 And that that's it for Abigail will move on to Vanessa. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10610-0 01:13:54.399 --> 01:13:56.139 And you all can hear me now, right? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10613-0 01:13:57.229 --> 01:13:57.939 Me and. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10697-0 01:13:57.499 --> 01:14:01.141 Yes, I'm seeing smiles from Elena that tells me that you can 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10697-1 01:14:01.141 --> 01:14:04.544 hear me. OK. Thank you so much for your patience and for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10697-2 01:14:04.544 --> 01:14:08.365 allowing us the opportunity to speak. I'm speaking on behalf of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10697-3 01:14:08.365 --> 01:14:12.187 Sarah Nichols, my colleague at the Natural Resources Council of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10697-4 01:14:12.187 --> 01:14:15.650 Maine. My name is Vanessa Berry. I'm the sustainable Maine 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10697-5 01:14:15.650 --> 01:14:19.113 outreach coordinator for the Natural Resources Council of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10697-6 01:14:19.113 --> 01:14:22.874 Maine. We have comments for all three of the discussion topics 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10697-7 01:14:22.874 --> 01:14:26.337 today, but I'll try to refrain from addressing any of the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10697-8 01:14:26.337 --> 01:14:28.069 others and just stick to the. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10715-0 01:14:28.139 --> 01:14:31.177 My friendly recyclable topic talking points today, at least 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10715-1 01:14:31.177 --> 01:14:34.419 for this part of the discussion, and then we'll chime in later. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10792-0 01:14:35.079 --> 01:14:39.267 Umm, we firmly believe that the criteria for what it means to be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10716-0 01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:35.589 OK. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10792-1 01:14:39.267 --> 01:14:43.456 readily recyclable should be set at rule. At a minimum, anything 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10792-2 01:14:43.456 --> 01:14:47.580 on the readily recyclable list each year should be accepted for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10792-3 01:14:47.580 --> 01:14:50.995 recycling at all MRFs and Maine, and be a routinely 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10792-4 01:14:50.995 --> 01:14:54.410 sortable material with a sustainable market. The end 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10792-5 01:14:54.410 --> 01:14:58.534 market for the materials must be as an input into a new product 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10792-6 01:14:58.534 --> 01:15:02.013 or package, and under no circumstances be sold to our 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10792-7 01:15:02.013 --> 01:15:03.689 market for fuel or energy. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10802-0 01:15:04.499 --> 01:15:07.639 Have is not recycling but rather destruction of resources. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10859-0 01:15:08.789 --> 01:15:12.167 Conversely, the department should consider also generating 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10859-1 01:15:12.167 --> 01:15:15.488 criteria for what qualities render a material not readily 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10859-2 01:15:15.488 --> 01:15:19.096 recyclable, so that it's clear to producers of packaging where 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10859-3 01:15:19.096 --> 01:15:22.646 they could make improvements. the US Plastics Pact provides a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10859-4 01:15:22.646 --> 01:15:26.139 detailed list of problematic or unnecessary plastics that we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10859-5 01:15:26.139 --> 01:15:29.746 believe provides an excellent basis for that list and for what 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10859-6 01:15:29.746 --> 01:15:33.354 types of plastics are to be a discouraged through the producer 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10859-7 01:15:33.354 --> 01:15:34.499 fee setting process. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10890-0 01:15:35.219 --> 01:15:38.018 The department could put the initial list of readily 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10890-1 01:15:38.018 --> 01:15:41.504 recyclable material together for the first year of the program as 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10890-2 01:15:41.504 --> 01:15:44.409 part of the rules. The contractual management with the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10890-3 01:15:44.409 --> 01:15:46.099 so and the stakeholder dialogue. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10917-0 01:15:46.879 --> 01:15:50.619 This would give both producers and towns enough lead time to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10917-1 01:15:50.619 --> 01:15:53.931 prepare for the implementation and make any necessary 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10917-2 01:15:53.931 --> 01:15:56.629 adjustments to their programs or packaging. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10951-0 01:15:57.959 --> 01:16:02.407 Any changes to that list should be done methodically. This could 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10951-1 01:16:02.407 --> 01:16:06.787 be via recommendation by the SO in annual report from the SO to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10951-2 01:16:06.787 --> 01:16:10.961 the department which comes built in with the public comments 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10951-3 01:16:10.961 --> 01:16:11.509 process. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/10963-0 01:16:12.139 --> 01:16:15.979 The DEP could then approve or deny any changes to that list. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11000-0 01:16:16.669 --> 01:16:20.166 The SO should be required to consult with packaging, industry 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11000-1 01:16:20.166 --> 01:16:23.551 recycling, trade organizations and other states with EPR for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11000-2 01:16:23.551 --> 01:16:26.715 packaging programs and provide data backed rationale for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11000-3 01:16:26.715 --> 01:16:28.769 requesting any changes to this list. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11074-0 01:16:29.719 --> 01:16:33.292 There should be clear on ramp to add materials to the readily 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11074-1 01:16:33.292 --> 01:16:36.519 recyclable list, one of those being through alternative 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11074-2 01:16:36.519 --> 01:16:39.862 collection programs. This way any packaging type could be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11074-3 01:16:39.862 --> 01:16:43.205 collected even though it may have a weaker market but not 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11074-4 01:16:43.205 --> 01:16:47.009 receive the benefits of being in the official, readily recyclable 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11074-5 01:16:47.009 --> 01:16:50.755 list until it meets the criteria that are laid out in the rules. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11074-6 01:16:50.755 --> 01:16:54.501 So that's all I have for readily recyclable, but I will chime in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11074-7 01:16:54.501 --> 01:16:57.959 on some of the other topic areas throughout the discussion. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11086-0 01:17:04.069 --> 01:17:07.365 Thank you, Vanessa. We do have a follow up question for you from 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11086-1 01:17:07.365 --> 01:17:07.619 Mark. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11101-0 01:17:08.119 --> 01:17:12.169 Sure. And I'll do the best I can. Again, I didn't write this, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11101-1 01:17:12.169 --> 01:17:14.129 but I will. I will do my best. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11103-0 01:17:14.669 --> 01:17:15.139 OK. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11107-0 01:17:16.209 --> 01:17:17.579 Mark, we made you a presenter. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11127-0 01:17:21.769 --> 01:17:26.123 Actually my comment is is not to Vanessa's so I'll wait. I have a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11127-1 01:17:26.123 --> 01:17:29.339 just a separate comment about readily recycled. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11130-0 01:17:30.769 --> 01:17:32.009 OK, sounds good. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11139-0 01:17:34.079 --> 01:17:36.279 I have a question so. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11135-0 01:17:34.309 --> 01:17:34.889 Related. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11138-0 01:17:35.579 --> 01:17:35.989 Sure. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11177-0 01:17:36.369 --> 01:17:42.182 Uh, we heard Bob Cappadona say that Cassella currently has no 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11177-1 01:17:42.182 --> 01:17:48.088 markets for its MRF class, and you have said that a criteria 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11177-2 01:17:48.088 --> 01:17:54.089 for readily recyclable would be must be accepted at all MRFs. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11179-0 01:17:55.019 --> 01:17:55.579 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11193-0 01:17:57.799 --> 01:18:02.273 And and the the law requires that the that in order to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11193-1 01:18:02.273 --> 01:18:03.249 participate. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11199-0 01:18:03.329 --> 01:18:06.639 Umm, municipalities actually be recycling? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11217-0 01:18:07.399 --> 01:18:11.415 Umm this material so so would it be NRCM stands at the moment 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11217-1 01:18:11.415 --> 01:18:14.589 that glass is not a readily recyclable material? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11245-0 01:18:15.599 --> 01:18:18.843 Yeah, I will. I will double check and confirm that stance 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11245-1 01:18:18.843 --> 01:18:22.088 and see if we can provide more information in the written 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11245-2 01:18:22.088 --> 01:18:24.829 comments. I know Sarah is preparing a very long. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11290-0 01:18:25.699 --> 01:18:30.190 You know position in written format for you. But I think part 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11290-1 01:18:30.190 --> 01:18:34.175 of what we're what we're advocating for is that it's a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11290-2 01:18:34.175 --> 01:18:38.087 sortable material with a sustainable market that then 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11290-3 01:18:38.087 --> 01:18:42.724 goes into creating a product. So I think that's the destination 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11290-4 01:18:42.724 --> 01:18:45.839 is that it goes into making a new product. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11302-0 01:18:46.899 --> 01:18:51.048 If if that's not the reality at this time, I think that might 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11302-1 01:18:51.048 --> 01:18:51.249 be. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11307-0 01:18:52.689 --> 01:18:53.659 I think it might not. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11321-0 01:18:54.299 --> 01:18:57.527 Qualify for readily recyclable, but I will I will confirm and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11321-1 01:18:57.527 --> 01:18:58.569 check back with you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11326-0 01:19:00.019 --> 01:19:01.929 So. So the other thing about. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11349-0 01:19:03.099 --> 01:19:06.749 The the MRF requirement is that some would argue that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11349-1 01:19:06.749 --> 01:19:10.594 something would be that it's, you know, the MRFs need to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11349-2 01:19:10.594 --> 01:19:12.419 invest in increased sorting. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11362-0 01:19:14.129 --> 01:19:20.269 And if if the MRF sort of is the. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11383-0 01:19:22.569 --> 01:19:25.839 In a way, the decision maker in terms of what's readily 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11383-1 01:19:25.839 --> 01:19:29.519 recyclable if they don't accept it, doesn't go, then is there. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11425-0 01:19:30.879 --> 01:19:35.335 Any incentives for the MRF to be for the Maine MRFs to be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11425-1 01:19:35.335 --> 01:19:39.791 adding, you know, is there a role of this is should one role 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11425-2 01:19:39.791 --> 01:19:44.466 of this law be to sort of push murphs to increase their sorting 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11425-3 01:19:44.466 --> 01:19:46.439 capacity of some materials? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11477-0 01:19:47.609 --> 01:19:51.378 I think through, you know, the money for education and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11477-1 01:19:51.378 --> 01:19:55.626 infrastructure. You know, if there's opportunities for a MRF 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11477-2 01:19:55.626 --> 01:19:59.807 to tap into some of that money to advance the technology for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11477-3 01:19:59.807 --> 01:20:03.850 sorting and increase their acceptable materials list, that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11477-4 01:20:03.850 --> 01:20:07.619 could be an opportunity for them to explore expanding. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11539-0 01:20:09.049 --> 01:20:12.934 You know, I think, yeah, this is this is definitely something 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11539-1 01:20:12.934 --> 01:20:16.820 that, you know, we wanna think about long term is not setting 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11539-2 01:20:16.820 --> 01:20:20.830 the material. You know we're not setting the materials specific 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11539-3 01:20:20.830 --> 01:20:24.528 material types right now but developing that over time and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11539-4 01:20:24.528 --> 01:20:28.476 some of them are gonna change and the technology is gonna need 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11539-5 01:20:28.476 --> 01:20:32.487 to change and adapt to be able to accept the changing materials 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11539-6 01:20:32.487 --> 01:20:34.179 over a long period of time. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11547-0 01:20:35.879 --> 01:20:37.829 Yeah, it's a it. That's a good question. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11554-0 01:20:39.369 --> 01:20:43.359 But it sounds like you're general response is that. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11602-0 01:20:44.319 --> 01:20:47.796 Uh, the MRF should be out ahead of readily recyclable, whether 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11602-1 01:20:47.796 --> 01:20:51.219 that's assistance through the law, the readily recyclable that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11602-2 01:20:51.219 --> 01:20:54.642 I don't wanna be putting words in your mouth, but it sounds to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11602-3 01:20:54.642 --> 01:20:58.066 me like you're saying that the MRFs need to be there because 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11602-4 01:20:58.066 --> 01:21:01.489 of the imagine because of the way they pull municipalities in. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11604-0 01:21:02.789 --> 01:21:03.519 To. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11622-0 01:21:04.479 --> 01:21:08.804 And so that that's why the MRFs I I I wanna understand 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11622-1 01:21:08.804 --> 01:21:12.599 that all murphs list comment a little bit better. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11708-0 01:21:12.809 --> 01:21:16.486 Yeah, I think, well, I think the the problem, I guess the the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11708-1 01:21:16.486 --> 01:21:20.103 issue about recycling in the state of Maine is that there is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11708-2 01:21:20.103 --> 01:21:24.017 discrepancy between what all the different MRFs will accept if a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11708-3 01:21:24.017 --> 01:21:27.457 material is accepted at all murphs, it means that they're 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11708-4 01:21:27.457 --> 01:21:31.133 able to, you know, they're each able to find a market for it, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11708-5 01:21:31.133 --> 01:21:34.514 for it to turn into a new commodity where there are some 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11708-6 01:21:34.514 --> 01:21:37.953 materials that might be accepted at one MRF, but not at 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11708-7 01:21:37.953 --> 01:21:41.334 another. They still might be able to recycle them. But I 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11708-8 01:21:41.334 --> 01:21:44.299 think it's kind of the lowest common denominator. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11723-0 01:21:44.819 --> 01:21:48.059 You know, to think about what each of these MRFs is able to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11723-1 01:21:48.059 --> 01:21:49.679 accept at this point right now. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11748-0 01:21:49.959 --> 01:21:54.206 Umm, because municipalities will be able to, you know, recycle 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11748-1 01:21:54.206 --> 01:21:58.454 anything that's you know on that acceptables list and if it's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11748-2 01:21:58.454 --> 01:22:00.409 consistent across the MRFs. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11758-0 01:22:00.949 --> 01:22:04.619 Umm, I don't know if the if this makes sense, but um. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11827-0 01:22:05.469 --> 01:22:09.311 Yeah, I can. We'll provide a little bit more context in the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11827-1 01:22:09.311 --> 01:22:13.152 written comments, but Umm, I think looking at what you know 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11827-2 01:22:13.152 --> 01:22:17.378 Casella accepts and what ecomaine accepts and trying to find where 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11827-3 01:22:17.378 --> 01:22:20.964 there's overlap there and including those things in the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11827-4 01:22:20.964 --> 01:22:24.806 readily recyclable list versus if something Casella accepts 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11827-5 01:22:24.806 --> 01:22:28.519 something that ecomaine does not and making that material 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11827-6 01:22:28.519 --> 01:22:32.553 something that's on the readily recyclable list, it's going to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11827-7 01:22:32.553 --> 01:22:35.819 make it harder for other municipalities to comply. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11831-0 01:22:35.919 --> 01:22:36.729 If that makes sense. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11853-0 01:22:37.569 --> 01:22:41.312 Right. So your your comment that the MRF lowest commentator of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11853-1 01:22:41.312 --> 01:22:44.538 Murphy's is an effort to ensure that municipalities can 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11853-2 01:22:44.538 --> 01:22:45.229 participate? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11856-0 01:22:45.529 --> 01:22:46.609 Right, yeah. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11859-0 01:22:48.119 --> 01:22:49.109 OK. Thanks. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11863-0 01:22:49.649 --> 01:22:50.489 Yeah, of course. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11870-0 01:22:51.509 --> 01:22:54.579 You got another question from. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11886-0 01:22:56.199 --> 01:23:01.347 Steve Navedo with PFE? Yeah, I I understand the need for the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11886-1 01:23:01.347 --> 01:23:02.939 markets to exist. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11915-0 01:23:03.959 --> 01:23:08.796 In in moving the material and whether it's readily recyclable 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11915-1 01:23:08.796 --> 01:23:13.398 or not. But in our industry, many times the market doesn't 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11915-2 01:23:13.398 --> 01:23:16.129 exist as it did as it does during. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11917-0 01:23:17.059 --> 01:23:17.829 Uh. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11983-0 01:23:17.969 --> 01:23:22.825 So good periods, mainly because the the, the, the price shift in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11983-1 01:23:22.825 --> 01:23:27.233 material and virgin all of a sudden is is cheaper than PCR 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11983-2 01:23:27.233 --> 01:23:31.791 and things and if if I were industry is based on whether the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11983-3 01:23:31.791 --> 01:23:36.498 end user is going to buy or not buy depending on the the, the, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11983-4 01:23:36.498 --> 01:23:40.980 the cost I mean the recycling process continues whether the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11983-5 01:23:40.980 --> 01:23:45.015 market is up or down the the recycling infrastructure 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/11983-6 01:23:45.015 --> 01:23:47.929 continues and that material continues. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12057-0 01:23:48.319 --> 01:23:53.054 To to increase and I mean the that happened in 2022 with with 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12057-1 01:23:53.054 --> 01:23:57.713 plastic. So all of a sudden the virgin shot down and and PCR 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12057-2 01:23:57.713 --> 01:24:01.914 price is kind of stayed up and all of a sudden all the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12057-3 01:24:01.914 --> 01:24:06.496 commitments for for PCRU's kind of were put on hold until 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12057-4 01:24:06.496 --> 01:24:11.308 the market shifted again. It's hard for the recycling industry 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12057-5 01:24:11.308 --> 01:24:16.044 to to be viable and consistent when the determining factor is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12057-6 01:24:16.044 --> 01:24:19.939 whether the end user is going to find a favorable. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12062-0 01:24:20.049 --> 01:24:21.659 Price for for the material. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12084-0 01:24:25.969 --> 01:24:30.551 So, Steve, are you suggesting that a consistent market be one 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12084-1 01:24:30.551 --> 01:24:34.838 of the criteria or that we ignore market when considering 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12084-2 01:24:34.838 --> 01:24:36.169 what's recyclable? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12152-0 01:24:36.489 --> 01:24:40.281 And I'm not I I don't necessarily have an answer. I'm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12152-1 01:24:40.281 --> 01:24:44.074 I'm just saying that I understand the way that the the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12152-2 01:24:44.074 --> 01:24:48.004 pricing shifts it's it's a fact of life. I know it is in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12152-3 01:24:48.004 --> 01:24:51.796 plastics. I assume it's the same way and all the other 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12152-4 01:24:51.796 --> 01:24:55.658 commodities as well, but that there has to be some some 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12152-5 01:24:55.658 --> 01:25:00.209 mechanism to to keep the the the material collecting and flowing. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12185-0 01:25:01.639 --> 01:25:05.886 Maybe a a floor of a agreeable floor on on numbers on pricing 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12185-1 01:25:05.886 --> 01:25:10.134 or something I I don't know. I just think it's something that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12185-2 01:25:10.134 --> 01:25:12.669 that is definitely worth discussing. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12189-0 01:25:14.989 --> 01:25:15.519 Thanks. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12204-0 01:25:23.279 --> 01:25:26.432 OK, I think that sums us up for clarifying questions for you, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12204-1 01:25:26.432 --> 01:25:27.399 Vanessa. Thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12209-0 01:25:27.769 --> 01:25:28.469 Yes, thanks. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12210-0 01:25:28.229 --> 01:25:28.689 And. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12223-0 01:25:29.319 --> 01:25:32.564 Will give the floor to Mark to share his comments on readily 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12223-1 01:25:32.564 --> 01:25:33.149 recyclable. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12226-0 01:25:35.159 --> 01:25:35.659 Next. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12231-0 01:25:37.899 --> 01:25:38.849 Thank you. Can you hear me? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12287-0 01:25:43.459 --> 01:25:46.885 OK. Thank. Thank you. Mark Hudson here. I'm on the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12236-0 01:25:43.529 --> 01:25:44.009 Yes, we can. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12287-1 01:25:46.885 --> 01:25:51.118 executive director of the Ag Container Recycling Council. The 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12287-2 01:25:51.118 --> 01:25:55.485 ACRC is the ad chemical industry trade association supporting the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12287-3 01:25:55.485 --> 01:25:59.650 collection and recycling at the empty and properly rinsed Ag 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12287-4 01:25:59.650 --> 01:26:03.681 chemical containers. Again, thank you to the department for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12287-5 01:26:03.681 --> 01:26:06.369 providing this opportunity for comment. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12318-0 01:26:07.009 --> 01:26:11.095 Umm, my comment is specific to professional use pesticide 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12318-1 01:26:11.095 --> 01:26:15.393 products that are regulated under EPA's Federal Insecticide, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12318-2 01:26:15.393 --> 01:26:19.409 Fungicide and Rodenticide Act, otherwise known as FIFRA. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12384-0 01:26:20.129 --> 01:26:24.694 Umm, the specific comment is just that the ACRC would ask 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12384-1 01:26:24.694 --> 01:26:29.182 that the Maine regulation consider that readily recyclable 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12384-2 01:26:29.182 --> 01:26:33.825 can vary based on end user compliance with already existing 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12384-3 01:26:33.825 --> 01:26:38.545 state or federal regulations. Examples of compliance or lack 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12384-4 01:26:38.545 --> 01:26:42.646 thereof with such regulations could include farmers, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12384-5 01:26:42.646 --> 01:26:47.134 retailers, Ag retailers, or commercial applicators. The 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12384-6 01:26:47.134 --> 01:26:51.622 departments decisions regarding the recyclability of such 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12384-7 01:26:51.622 --> 01:26:52.319 products. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12454-0 01:26:52.729 --> 01:26:57.460 Should involve the producers or industries responsible for such 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12454-1 01:26:57.460 --> 01:27:01.673 products and I'll be provide a specific example to this. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12454-2 01:27:01.673 --> 01:27:06.182 Pesticide containers are deemed as recyclable when they have 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12454-3 01:27:06.182 --> 01:27:10.617 been properly rinsed. According to EPA's 2006 container and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12454-4 01:27:10.617 --> 01:27:15.348 containment regulation. This is further illustrated by the fact 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12454-5 01:27:15.348 --> 01:27:19.709 that the ACRC program has collected and recycled over 240 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12454-6 01:27:19.709 --> 01:27:23.849 million pounds of Ag container plastic over the past 30 years. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12486-0 01:27:24.309 --> 01:27:28.274 However, a professional use product container that has not 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12486-1 01:27:28.274 --> 01:27:32.239 been properly rinsed but has been presented for recycling, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12486-2 01:27:32.239 --> 01:27:36.406 for example at a local MRF by existing regulations would be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12486-3 01:27:36.406 --> 01:27:38.759 considered not readily recyclable. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12497-0 01:27:42.149 --> 01:27:44.789 That's the extent of my comments. Thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12504-0 01:27:45.879 --> 01:27:47.579 Happy to answer any questions to that. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12510-0 01:27:51.609 --> 01:27:52.989 You've got the tough one, Mark. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12527-0 01:27:54.169 --> 01:27:58.706 Umm, so I have a couple questions FIFRA this FRIFA only 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12527-1 01:27:58.706 --> 01:28:01.299 applied to the professional use. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12541-0 01:28:02.969 --> 01:28:07.463 Yeah, you know it it covers both professional use and consumer 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12541-1 01:28:07.463 --> 01:28:08.319 use as well. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12616-0 01:28:09.199 --> 01:28:13.663 It's just with respect to this specific topic. They are treated 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12616-1 01:28:13.663 --> 01:28:17.569 differently. So there are different uh, it it really is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12616-2 01:28:17.569 --> 01:28:21.824 based on what's on the label. And in the case of residential 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12616-3 01:28:21.824 --> 01:28:26.009 use products, typically the disposal criteria are different 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12616-4 01:28:26.009 --> 01:28:30.543 and probably the easiest way to explain that is you guys can all 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12616-5 01:28:30.543 --> 01:28:34.938 well imagine that the industry or no one would want homeowners 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12616-6 01:28:34.938 --> 01:28:39.332 triple rinsing their containers at home and pouring pesticides 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12616-7 01:28:39.332 --> 01:28:40.379 down the drain. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12685-0 01:28:40.469 --> 01:28:43.947 And so basically the instructions are usually along 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12685-1 01:28:43.947 --> 01:28:47.692 the lines of encouraging homeowners to use all of their 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12685-2 01:28:47.692 --> 01:28:51.905 pesticide products. And even if they have neighbors or friends 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12685-3 01:28:51.905 --> 01:28:55.851 that that can help them complete the use of those products 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12685-4 01:28:55.851 --> 01:28:59.730 according to the label. And then they're free to wrap the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12685-5 01:28:59.730 --> 01:29:03.409 container in something like paper, newspaper, and then 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12685-6 01:29:03.409 --> 01:29:07.288 dispose of them in the trash. Or it would go to the local 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12685-7 01:29:07.288 --> 01:29:10.699 landfill in that or to whatever their their local. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12691-0 01:29:10.779 --> 01:29:13.329 You mean in regulations require? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12711-0 01:29:15.239 --> 01:29:19.296 But that's that's in the case of residential or consumer use. I'm 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12711-1 01:29:19.296 --> 01:29:22.615 specifically addressing professional use, which would 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12711-2 01:29:22.615 --> 01:29:23.599 include farmers. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12723-0 01:29:27.679 --> 01:29:31.649 And so the point of my comment was was particularly that. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12765-0 01:29:32.169 --> 01:29:36.345 Uh, recyclable. Readily recyclable or not recyclable, is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12765-1 01:29:36.345 --> 01:29:40.667 ultimately determined by the end users compliance with the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12765-2 01:29:40.667 --> 01:29:45.429 regulations that require them to properly rinse their containers 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12765-3 01:29:45.429 --> 01:29:49.532 triple rinsing or pressure rinsing prior to making them 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12765-4 01:29:49.532 --> 01:29:52.829 available, or presenting them for recycling. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12770-0 01:29:55.219 --> 01:29:57.039 Umm. Once triple rinsed. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12774-0 01:29:57.929 --> 01:29:59.159 Are those containers? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12789-0 01:30:00.699 --> 01:30:04.699 In a ACRC's opinion, you know fit for. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12783-0 01:30:00.799 --> 01:30:02.419 Readily recyclable, yes. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12817-0 01:30:05.609 --> 01:30:09.596 Being put in the same bale as your Tide bottles. Or are they 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12817-1 01:30:09.596 --> 01:30:13.713 best managed through other, you know, managed into and make to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12817-2 01:30:13.713 --> 01:30:16.589 make sure they go towards certain end uses? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12862-0 01:30:17.819 --> 01:30:21.206 Yeah. In fact, the reason we exist is is for the latter that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12862-1 01:30:21.206 --> 01:30:24.315 we would, we will want to see them go through. They are 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12862-2 01:30:24.315 --> 01:30:27.424 readily recyclable, but we prefer that they be recycled 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12862-3 01:30:27.424 --> 01:30:30.533 into end uses that we have approved. In fact, we have a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12862-4 01:30:30.533 --> 01:30:32.699 list of those end uses on our website. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12889-0 01:30:35.079 --> 01:30:39.026 And like I said, have been able to successfully recycle nearly 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12889-1 01:30:39.026 --> 01:30:42.473 1/4 of a million or 1/4 of a billion pounds of plastic 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12889-2 01:30:42.473 --> 01:30:44.729 through the history of our program. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12891-0 01:30:50.049 --> 01:30:50.449 Thanks. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12895-0 01:30:52.839 --> 01:30:53.669 Thank you very much. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12918-0 01:30:57.099 --> 01:31:00.234 Thank you, Mark. I think we're we're all summed up on getting 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12918-1 01:31:00.234 --> 01:31:03.166 the comments shared around readily recyclable. So I think 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12918-2 01:31:03.166 --> 01:31:04.279 I'm gonna circle back. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12920-0 01:31:05.819 --> 01:31:06.809 And. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12930-0 01:31:07.739 --> 01:31:10.739 We'll start with audits comments talking to audit. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12929-0 01:31:10.159 --> 01:31:10.519 You. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12937-0 01:31:11.619 --> 01:31:13.089 I think you got a hand, Jessica. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12948-0 01:31:15.869 --> 01:31:16.639 That's Marks. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12949-0 01:31:17.259 --> 01:31:18.439 Ohh OK, never mind. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12968-0 01:31:19.549 --> 01:31:24.001 He said, Julian, everything dual hand. Yes, residual couple 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12968-1 01:31:24.001 --> 01:31:26.079 reddits triple Reds that in. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12975-0 01:31:27.439 --> 01:31:30.329 OK. So we'll start back with you, Bob. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12977-0 01:31:30.639 --> 01:31:31.019 Well. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12986-0 01:31:31.149 --> 01:31:35.239 From Casella. Thank you again, Bob Cappadona from Casella. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/12993-0 01:31:37.789 --> 01:31:40.459 Commenting on representation of audit. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13012-0 01:31:41.489 --> 01:31:44.716 At our recycling facility, we do two types of audits, an inbound 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13012-1 01:31:44.716 --> 01:31:45.809 and an outbound audit. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13031-0 01:31:46.889 --> 01:31:50.922 Focused on the inbound audits is to quantify contamination, non 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13031-1 01:31:50.922 --> 01:31:54.389 recyclable material and incoming loads of recyclables. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13098-0 01:31:55.569 --> 01:31:59.282 The focus of outbound audits is to identify the presence of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13098-1 01:31:59.282 --> 01:32:02.623 outros and prohibitive to ensure compliance with mill 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13098-2 01:32:02.623 --> 01:32:06.274 specifications for a given commodity grade at our Lewiston 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13098-3 01:32:06.274 --> 01:32:09.925 MRF space for inbound audits is limited. Conducting this 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13098-4 01:32:09.925 --> 01:32:13.885 significantly more frequent and detailed audit described in the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13098-5 01:32:13.885 --> 01:32:17.598 background documents provided in this meeting would require 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13098-6 01:32:17.598 --> 01:32:19.269 additional space and labor. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13130-0 01:32:20.169 --> 01:32:23.025 We could construct phase and higher additional labor to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13130-1 01:32:23.025 --> 01:32:26.339 accommodate these auditing work. That's auditing work and we are 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13130-2 01:32:26.339 --> 01:32:29.450 willing to draft the proposals to lease costs can be covered 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13130-3 01:32:29.450 --> 01:32:31.796 within the budget of the selected stewardship 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13130-4 01:32:31.796 --> 01:32:32.459 organization. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13155-0 01:32:33.449 --> 01:32:37.173 That department should know that 90% of the material received 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13155-1 01:32:37.173 --> 01:32:40.656 that our Lewiston MRF arrives on trailers of commingled 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13155-2 01:32:40.656 --> 01:32:43.179 recyclables from multiple municipalities. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13173-0 01:32:43.819 --> 01:32:46.825 If the program requires municipal level audits, much of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13173-1 01:32:46.825 --> 01:32:49.886 the auditing work would need to be conducted at transfer 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13173-2 01:32:49.886 --> 01:32:50.369 stations. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13188-0 01:32:51.759 --> 01:32:54.573 We could work this additional auditing infrastructure labor 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13188-1 01:32:54.573 --> 01:32:56.449 into the above mentioned cost proposal. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13241-0 01:32:57.439 --> 01:33:00.649 In addition to the recycling audits, we understand that the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13241-1 01:33:00.649 --> 01:33:03.324 program will require waste characterization 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13241-2 01:33:03.324 --> 01:33:06.267 characterization audits to determine the types of the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13241-3 01:33:06.267 --> 01:33:09.424 amount of covered packaging. present Maine's municipal solid 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13241-4 01:33:09.424 --> 01:33:12.474 waste stream. We do not have experience conducting these 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13241-5 01:33:12.474 --> 01:33:15.898 audits themselves, although we have hosted such audits that are 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13241-6 01:33:15.898 --> 01:33:18.039 transfers, facilities and other states. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13259-0 01:33:18.719 --> 01:33:22.270 We would recommend contacting nearby states such as Vermont to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13259-1 01:33:22.270 --> 01:33:24.919 understand the scope and cost of those audits. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13283-0 01:33:26.019 --> 01:33:29.629 At a closing thought, we would caution the department that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13283-1 01:33:29.629 --> 01:33:33.239 recycling waste audits on labor, labor and cost intensive. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13312-0 01:33:33.899 --> 01:33:37.366 We would therefore strongly encourage the department find 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13312-1 01:33:37.366 --> 01:33:40.892 ways to significantly simplify the municipal reimbursement 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13312-2 01:33:40.892 --> 01:33:43.761 calculations, calculated formulas and reporting 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13312-3 01:33:43.761 --> 01:33:44.479 requirement. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13352-0 01:33:45.289 --> 01:33:48.617 The department should strive to eliminate any audit or data 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13352-1 01:33:48.617 --> 01:33:51.891 collection mandates that won't directly serve the programs 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13352-2 01:33:51.891 --> 01:33:55.108 overarching goal, advanced reduction, reuse and recycling 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13352-3 01:33:55.108 --> 01:33:56.329 and packaging for May. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13358-0 01:33:58.639 --> 01:34:00.009 That is the extent. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13360-0 01:34:00.669 --> 01:34:01.399 All that. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13364-0 01:34:02.789 --> 01:34:03.359 Thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13372-0 01:34:04.429 --> 01:34:06.439 If we have any questions, we'll. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13379-0 01:34:07.209 --> 01:34:10.169 Take those now clarifying questions for. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13381-0 01:34:10.869 --> 01:34:11.519 5. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13390-0 01:34:15.369 --> 01:34:18.479 Bob, does Casella have contamination fees? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13393-0 01:34:19.759 --> 01:34:20.659 To municipalities. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13400-0 01:34:22.109 --> 01:34:24.859 I'm at a certain threshold. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13403-0 01:34:26.289 --> 01:34:26.719 Elena. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13451-0 01:34:27.499 --> 01:34:31.574 Right. If there's a we do a kind of a 123 strike out, right, but 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13451-1 01:34:31.574 --> 01:34:35.521 when we don't, we don't, we're not in the business of hitting 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13451-2 01:34:35.521 --> 01:34:39.660 in the pocketbook there, right? We wanna work with the community 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13451-3 01:34:39.660 --> 01:34:42.971 and we feel though that contamination rates are too 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13451-4 01:34:42.971 --> 01:34:46.919 high. Hence why we do do audits that a lot of our facilities. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13508-0 01:34:48.129 --> 01:34:52.562 Just though we can invite our customers in and view the audits 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13508-1 01:34:52.562 --> 01:34:56.715 and see what the contamination rates are, unfortunately at 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13508-2 01:34:56.715 --> 01:35:01.289 Lewiston has stated as agitated a lot of the material that comes 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13508-3 01:35:01.289 --> 01:35:05.300 in 90% of it is from various transfer stations that have 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13508-4 01:35:05.300 --> 01:35:09.805 multi multiple municipalities. So we would have to backtrack to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13508-5 01:35:09.805 --> 01:35:14.168 that generation going into the transfer station to identify a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13508-6 01:35:14.168 --> 01:35:16.209 municipal contamination rate. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13510-0 01:35:18.889 --> 01:35:19.359 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13519-0 01:35:20.279 --> 01:35:22.269 It's it's. So would you have? Uh. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13560-0 01:35:23.329 --> 01:35:26.103 Multiple transfer stations coming to like a Casella 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13560-1 01:35:26.103 --> 01:35:29.197 transfer station, where the waste is then reloaded into a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13560-2 01:35:29.197 --> 01:35:32.504 bigger truck and then taken to or the single stream. Sorry is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13560-3 01:35:32.504 --> 01:35:35.918 reloaded into a bigger truck and then take into the MRF. Or is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13560-4 01:35:35.918 --> 01:35:37.839 it just like they pick up multiple? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13625-0 01:35:38.619 --> 01:35:42.002 So you have multiple municipalities that have pick up 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13625-1 01:35:42.002 --> 01:35:45.824 at the curve with direct drive trucks that would go into our 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13625-2 01:35:45.824 --> 01:35:49.772 our transfer station and then it would be compiled into a walkin 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13625-3 01:35:49.772 --> 01:35:53.406 floor 100 yard walk and floor sets into the Lewis and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13625-4 01:35:53.406 --> 01:35:56.727 MFR. That's how 90% of the material is generated or 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13625-5 01:35:56.727 --> 01:35:59.609 compiled. It delivered into the Lewiston MRF. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13648-0 01:36:01.769 --> 01:36:05.456 And would it Umm? So would it make more sense for the for any 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13648-1 01:36:05.456 --> 01:36:08.429 audits to take place at the the transfer station? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13717-0 01:36:09.029 --> 01:36:13.289 If if the requirement was to get to the municipal level of each 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13717-1 01:36:13.289 --> 01:36:17.150 town city, yes, it would make sense. The investment would 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13717-2 01:36:17.150 --> 01:36:21.144 have, which should be at the transfer station level. If you 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13717-3 01:36:21.144 --> 01:36:24.473 want to identify the contamination rate or to the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13717-4 01:36:24.473 --> 01:36:28.067 characterization of each municipality, you would want 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13717-5 01:36:28.067 --> 01:36:32.195 that investment at the transfer station so you could identify 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13717-6 01:36:32.195 --> 01:36:35.523 and align it with that municipality. The material 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13717-7 01:36:35.523 --> 01:36:36.189 coming in. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13731-0 01:36:38.849 --> 01:36:41.739 It was just to get a general a general idea. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13726-0 01:36:39.299 --> 01:36:39.709 OK. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13796-0 01:36:42.939 --> 01:36:46.747 Of what? The of the what the product makes was in the state 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13796-1 01:36:46.747 --> 01:36:50.746 of Maine or what comes into the Lewiston MRF. Then you would 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13796-2 01:36:50.746 --> 01:36:54.872 you would invest into the Lewiston MRF. But my sense says you 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13796-3 01:36:54.872 --> 01:36:57.792 probably want it at the municipal level. Each 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13796-4 01:36:57.792 --> 01:37:01.537 municipality would want that feedback on what that product 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13796-5 01:37:01.537 --> 01:37:05.345 mix is. So so it would make sense in that in that level and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13796-6 01:37:05.345 --> 01:37:08.519 that scenario to invest in the transfer stations. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13799-0 01:37:10.159 --> 01:37:10.669 We're not in. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13826-0 01:37:12.749 --> 01:37:15.225 In terms of identifying municipal contamination, but 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13826-1 01:37:15.225 --> 01:37:18.169 then in terms of right, if if we're just trying to look at the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13826-2 01:37:18.169 --> 01:37:20.739 mix, then it would be at the Lewiston, do you have UM? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13848-0 01:37:22.189 --> 01:37:25.822 So so one of the things, uh, when we do audits, you know, the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13848-1 01:37:25.822 --> 01:37:29.279 number of audits that are going to be required depends on. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13895-0 01:37:30.129 --> 01:37:33.333 Basically, the standard deviation that you get like how 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13895-1 01:37:33.333 --> 01:37:36.822 uh, similar is you know I audit 1 truck and then I added the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13895-2 01:37:36.822 --> 01:37:40.141 other truck and if they have almost the same mix then you 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13895-3 01:37:40.141 --> 01:37:43.859 don't have to do as many audits versus if they have a completely 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13895-4 01:37:43.859 --> 01:37:45.919 different mix and do you guys have. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13897-0 01:37:47.289 --> 01:37:48.049 Data. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13910-0 01:37:49.109 --> 01:37:52.606 You know, overtime, various places that shows that shows 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13910-1 01:37:52.606 --> 01:37:53.159 that mix. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13932-0 01:37:55.979 --> 01:38:00.688 So I I I think what you're trying to ask you're asking 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13915-0 01:37:56.019 --> 01:37:56.809 Does that make sense? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13932-1 01:38:00.688 --> 01:38:01.459 Elena is. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14004-0 01:38:02.149 --> 01:38:05.601 It is in a specific town. There's different areas, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14004-1 01:38:05.601 --> 01:38:09.730 different trucks that may have different characterization or 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14004-2 01:38:09.730 --> 01:38:13.791 different contamination is that is that what you try to ask 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/13966-0 01:38:12.839 --> 01:38:13.289 Well, like. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14004-3 01:38:13.791 --> 01:38:17.987 cause and other facilities we can we can we can drive down to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14004-4 01:38:17.987 --> 01:38:21.981 the specific truck and audit that truck that route because 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14004-5 01:38:21.981 --> 01:38:26.380 there is different contamination rates in one community based on 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14004-6 01:38:26.380 --> 01:38:30.847 different different demographics within the within the Community, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14004-7 01:38:30.847 --> 01:38:32.269 right. So we do that. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14047-0 01:38:32.359 --> 01:38:36.714 We do have the ability to do that and we do, we do perform 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14047-1 01:38:36.714 --> 01:38:41.218 those that other facilities. Again, we're just restricted at 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14047-2 01:38:41.218 --> 01:38:45.500 Lewiston from an auditing standpoint, it's space. And also 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14047-3 01:38:45.500 --> 01:38:49.782 with regards to multiple municipalities coming in on one, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14047-4 01:38:49.782 --> 01:38:51.849 one walkin floor, 100 yard. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14050-0 01:38:53.289 --> 01:38:53.929 That makes sense. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14052-0 01:38:55.949 --> 01:38:56.409 Yeah. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14054-0 01:38:57.579 --> 01:38:58.059 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14057-0 01:39:00.809 --> 01:39:01.179 Yeah. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14060-0 01:39:03.179 --> 01:39:03.569 Thanks. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14066-0 01:39:15.009 --> 01:39:15.809 And the other. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14069-0 01:39:16.839 --> 01:39:17.629 Questions. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14076-0 01:39:20.729 --> 01:39:21.809 Does that make sense? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14075-0 01:39:21.119 --> 01:39:21.479 Do. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14088-0 01:39:22.609 --> 01:39:26.189 Or waste characterization audit that to would it be? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14167-0 01:39:27.879 --> 01:39:31.950 Something to do at the Lewiston facility because of the space. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14167-1 01:39:31.950 --> 01:39:36.021 Again, if you would just looking for a waste characterization they a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14167-2 01:39:36.021 --> 01:39:40.221 product mix, a full product mix of what comes into the Lewiston. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14167-3 01:39:40.221 --> 01:39:43.711 MRF you you could set it up there but it would have 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14167-4 01:39:43.711 --> 01:39:47.717 multiple. It would include a multiple commingled mix. OK, but 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14167-5 01:39:47.717 --> 01:39:51.594 if you're in the best scenario, if you're looking for a any 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14167-6 01:39:51.594 --> 01:39:55.536 contamination or a product mix evaluation for an independent 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14167-7 01:39:55.536 --> 01:39:59.349 community should be probably done at the transfer station. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14182-0 01:40:01.309 --> 01:40:04.788 I have one further question too, Bob. If we are looking for that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14182-1 01:40:04.788 --> 01:40:05.859 sort of product mix. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14204-0 01:40:06.439 --> 01:40:11.762 Umm do you have? Does Casella have? I mean I guess you you do 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14204-1 01:40:11.762 --> 01:40:16.999 have you do these audits. Does Casella have data that's not? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14206-0 01:40:17.619 --> 01:40:18.299 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14214-0 01:40:20.129 --> 01:40:22.729 That sort of publicly available or or not? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14260-0 01:40:24.749 --> 01:40:27.965 Considered, you know, confidential on on those results 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14260-1 01:40:27.965 --> 01:40:31.824 in various different places just because that could give us if we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14260-2 01:40:31.824 --> 01:40:35.508 could look at some you know, a number of audits that have been 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14260-3 01:40:35.508 --> 01:40:39.134 done, we could get a much better idea of the number of audits 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14260-4 01:40:39.134 --> 01:40:40.479 that would be required. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14268-0 01:40:43.379 --> 01:40:44.789 So I mean. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14266-0 01:40:43.419 --> 01:40:44.169 Does that make sense? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14276-0 01:40:46.179 --> 01:40:49.829 We do, we do several different audits. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14317-0 01:40:50.539 --> 01:40:54.296 With several different customers based on their contamination 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14317-1 01:40:54.296 --> 01:40:58.115 rate. So remember a lot of the auditing that we're doing today 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14317-2 01:40:58.115 --> 01:41:01.630 is just to just to measure contamination. It's not a full 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14303-0 01:41:00.229 --> 01:41:00.639 OK. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14317-3 01:41:01.630 --> 01:41:05.206 characterization, right. If you're looking for information 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14317-4 01:41:05.206 --> 01:41:07.509 on just the contamination side of it. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14372-0 01:41:08.689 --> 01:41:11.766 I would ask that customer if it's OK to release that right 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14372-1 01:41:11.766 --> 01:41:14.842 because we we pass along that information to that specific 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14372-2 01:41:14.842 --> 01:41:17.450 customer or there's a Massachusetts, Connecticut, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14372-3 01:41:17.450 --> 01:41:20.892 where and I'd rather facilities. And if they don't have any issue 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14372-4 01:41:20.892 --> 01:41:23.968 with it, we would. We passed along just so you could get a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14372-5 01:41:23.968 --> 01:41:26.889 sense on how we do the audits and what the results are. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14380-0 01:41:27.989 --> 01:41:30.809 OK. Umm thanks that answers my question. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14389-0 01:41:34.689 --> 01:41:37.019 I believe you a question from Phillip OConnor. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14391-0 01:41:44.169 --> 01:41:44.869 I fella. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14410-0 01:41:51.099 --> 01:41:53.985 Phillip, we did make you a presenter. Have a question like 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14410-1 01:41:53.985 --> 01:41:56.529 because I'm you? No. But then you're on. Yeah, you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14422-0 01:42:06.039 --> 01:42:08.675 And here would you do your colleagues speak to goals or on 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14422-1 01:42:08.675 --> 01:42:08.809 it? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14430-0 01:42:10.349 --> 01:42:12.599 Want to your comment speak to audit. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14436-0 01:42:14.259 --> 01:42:15.999 I don't really have any comments, OK? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14452-0 01:42:16.699 --> 01:42:21.589 Elena took mine from Bob. OK, this microphone is off. Does it 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14452-1 01:42:21.589 --> 01:42:23.019 look like? So what? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14454-0 01:42:25.449 --> 01:42:26.109 So. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14468-0 01:42:28.539 --> 01:42:33.302 We're gonna go. I'm gonna ask those of you attending virtually 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14469-0 01:42:32.949 --> 01:42:33.309 Can. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14468-1 01:42:33.302 --> 01:42:33.529 if. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14493-0 01:42:36.079 --> 01:42:39.054 I was just going to suggest maybe if we can't hear Phillips 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14476-0 01:42:36.199 --> 01:42:36.519 Yes. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14493-1 01:42:39.054 --> 01:42:42.078 comments, maybe you could just stick it in the chat since we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14493-2 01:42:42.078 --> 01:42:43.169 didn't close the chat. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14506-0 01:42:44.289 --> 01:42:45.889 It closed, yeah. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14512-0 01:42:44.319 --> 01:42:47.169 Are we? He left the chat. Maybe he's gone. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14509-0 01:42:45.639 --> 01:42:46.439 And you, you know. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14513-0 01:42:47.179 --> 01:42:47.359 And. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14519-0 01:42:48.089 --> 01:42:49.009 Can you hear me now? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14518-0 01:42:48.609 --> 01:42:48.919 Nope. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14522-0 01:42:49.649 --> 01:42:50.149 Yes. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14523-0 01:42:49.939 --> 01:42:50.459 Yes. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14537-0 01:42:51.269 --> 01:42:56.474 OK, my question is, is that there are a lot of other 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14537-1 01:42:56.474 --> 01:42:58.439 countries that have. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14539-0 01:42:58.869 --> 01:42:59.409 Uh. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14551-0 01:43:00.429 --> 01:43:04.979 These programs and what you're talking about here is a is a. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14559-0 01:43:06.029 --> 01:43:09.689 Complicated process it probably somebody has figured out. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14596-0 01:43:10.699 --> 01:43:13.709 Have you looked at the OR what have you learned? I guess 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14596-1 01:43:13.709 --> 01:43:16.983 obviously you look, but what what? What have you learned from 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14596-2 01:43:16.983 --> 01:43:20.469 other places that are doing this and what works for them to? Does 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14596-3 01:43:20.469 --> 01:43:22.159 that solve any of your problems? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14678-0 01:43:24.849 --> 01:43:28.621 And that's the question for me. I'm guessing right, we we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14608-0 01:43:27.649 --> 01:43:28.019 Yes. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14678-1 01:43:28.621 --> 01:43:32.783 actually we have looked at other countries and we actually have 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14678-2 01:43:32.783 --> 01:43:36.424 several partners in other countries and we have visited 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14678-3 01:43:36.424 --> 01:43:40.456 other MRFs that actually go through the auditing process as 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14678-4 01:43:40.456 --> 01:43:44.553 as described here, not just the contamination auditing process 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14678-5 01:43:44.553 --> 01:43:48.585 but the product mix and it very well done. We would duplicate 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14678-6 01:43:48.585 --> 01:43:52.422 some of what we've seen overseas and it it really isn't as 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14678-7 01:43:52.422 --> 01:43:55.999 difficult as it seems. It would be a small investment. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14712-0 01:43:56.479 --> 01:44:00.801 Ohh, probably 1000 square feet within a room with a sorting 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14712-1 01:44:00.801 --> 01:44:05.411 belt and a little bit of Labor. And you do it the old fashioned 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14712-2 01:44:05.411 --> 01:44:10.020 way and taking 500 pound sample loads running across the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14712-3 01:44:10.020 --> 01:44:10.669 belt and. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14739-0 01:44:11.579 --> 01:44:15.523 Just taking out the seven or eight different seven, you know, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14739-1 01:44:15.523 --> 01:44:19.022 half a dozen or a dozen different materials within the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14739-2 01:44:19.022 --> 01:44:19.849 stream there. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14819-0 01:44:21.289 --> 01:44:25.055 And you do it over a consistent basis, right? Well, one 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14819-1 01:44:25.055 --> 01:44:29.292 community you couldn't just do one audit for one month, right? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14819-2 01:44:29.292 --> 01:44:33.192 Because that's not gonna be a good representation. You're 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14819-3 01:44:33.192 --> 01:44:37.631 probably gonna wanna do a couple of week that way. And that's how 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14819-4 01:44:37.631 --> 01:44:41.733 we do our contamination on its we do, at least we perform at 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14819-5 01:44:41.733 --> 01:44:45.634 least a dozen a month for a particular community. So they 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14819-6 01:44:45.634 --> 01:44:49.938 have a good indication again one piece one part of a community 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14819-7 01:44:49.938 --> 01:44:52.359 could be higher contamination than. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14840-0 01:44:52.459 --> 01:44:55.700 Another part or different product mix and the other part. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14840-1 01:44:55.700 --> 01:44:59.165 So it's consistently consistency over a period of time that's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14840-2 01:44:59.165 --> 01:44:59.389 key. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14844-0 01:45:00.109 --> 01:45:01.259 To the audit process. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14849-0 01:45:03.219 --> 01:45:04.489 Is this done? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14871-0 01:45:07.369 --> 01:45:11.539 Per town. Yet you were talking about how you you combine a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14871-1 01:45:11.539 --> 01:45:16.063 bunch of places together and and so do you do it before it gets 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14871-2 01:45:16.063 --> 01:45:16.699 combined. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14894-0 01:45:17.929 --> 01:45:21.565 That's what we're recommending. We had this conversation a bit 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14894-1 01:45:21.565 --> 01:45:24.625 earlier. It's now that the recommendation, if you're 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14894-2 01:45:24.625 --> 01:45:26.299 looking for a community base. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14906-0 01:45:27.129 --> 01:45:30.689 A full audit should be done by the by the Community or the town 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14906-1 01:45:30.689 --> 01:45:31.079 itself. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14926-0 01:45:32.219 --> 01:45:35.552 Right, I understand that. But I just wanted if that's what you 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14926-1 01:45:35.552 --> 01:45:38.779 were doing or is that what you were proposing or or thinking 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14926-2 01:45:38.779 --> 01:45:40.049 about, but what this is? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14929-0 01:45:40.809 --> 01:45:41.669 All of the above. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14931-0 01:45:43.779 --> 01:45:44.589 OK. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/14934-0 01:45:45.589 --> 01:45:46.059 Thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15018-0 01:45:46.899 --> 01:45:50.871 Welcome. So when a municipality requests for contamination 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15018-1 01:45:50.871 --> 01:45:55.180 audits like the one that hasn't doesn't done in a month, you're 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15018-2 01:45:55.180 --> 01:45:59.421 headed to the transfer station where well, all the other a lot 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15018-3 01:45:59.421 --> 01:46:03.191 of our other MRFs are are direct drive. The community 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15018-4 01:46:03.191 --> 01:46:07.433 itself will go right into the MRF. Very rarely do we have. I 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15018-5 01:46:07.433 --> 01:46:11.270 mean we do have transferred material that comes into our 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15018-6 01:46:11.270 --> 01:46:15.579 other Morrison walking flow but not 90% like Lewison, right. So 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15018-7 01:46:15.579 --> 01:46:18.609 Lewiston is a little bit of an aberration here. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15035-0 01:46:18.959 --> 01:46:22.789 That 90% of the volume that comes in it is mingled mix 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15035-1 01:46:22.789 --> 01:46:24.739 within multiple communities. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15059-0 01:46:25.559 --> 01:46:28.901 The MRFs are other merchs are direct drive trucks from a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15059-1 01:46:28.901 --> 01:46:32.647 specific community will take US 4 or 500 pounds sample and we'll 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15059-2 01:46:32.647 --> 01:46:33.339 do it on it. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15100-0 01:46:36.179 --> 01:46:39.057 And it's done the old fashioned way. We'll we'll pull it out 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15100-1 01:46:39.057 --> 01:46:42.029 with the bucket, bring it over to a corner. We have a specific 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15100-2 01:46:42.029 --> 01:46:45.049 area that's very safe. And we'll we'll have three or four folks 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15100-3 01:46:45.049 --> 01:46:48.069 go through it. And again, we're just picking out contamination. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15137-0 01:46:48.789 --> 01:46:52.152 Uh, very labor intensive, just on a contamination side. So if 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15137-1 01:46:52.152 --> 01:46:55.298 you wanted a carriage in full carriage organization, it's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15137-2 01:46:55.298 --> 01:46:58.553 gonna be a little bit more costly and more labor intensive, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15137-3 01:46:58.553 --> 01:46:58.879 right? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15170-0 01:47:02.499 --> 01:47:06.547 And Bob, if if a if a audit was gonna be done at a Casella 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15170-1 01:47:06.547 --> 01:47:10.663 facility, you would prefer Casella staff do it or staff say 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15170-2 01:47:10.663 --> 01:47:14.917 that we're hired by the SO to do it outside staff come in to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15170-3 01:47:14.917 --> 01:47:15.329 do it. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15200-0 01:47:16.459 --> 01:47:20.482 It could be either or, Elena. It doesn't it whatever makes sense, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15200-1 01:47:20.482 --> 01:47:24.440 right? It it with most important that it's a designated area 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15200-2 01:47:24.440 --> 01:47:25.219 that's safe. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15241-0 01:47:26.459 --> 01:47:30.914 And set up properly as I just described a small area with the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15241-1 01:47:30.914 --> 01:47:35.298 belt and however it's staff, whether it's Casella staff, we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15241-2 01:47:35.298 --> 01:47:39.681 would want oversight, right? Just to make sure that the that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15241-3 01:47:39.681 --> 01:47:39.969 the. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15258-0 01:47:40.809 --> 01:47:44.205 The measurements and the the reporting is in line of what how 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15258-1 01:47:44.205 --> 01:47:47.219 we do it in the in consistent and at the other MRFs. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15261-0 01:47:49.649 --> 01:47:50.349 OK. Thanks. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15263-0 01:47:51.049 --> 01:47:51.379 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15277-0 01:47:54.479 --> 01:47:58.491 OK. We have another question (from Victor Horton from MRRA) that's kind of for Bob and just 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15277-1 01:47:58.491 --> 01:47:59.979 the jumbled observation. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15307-0 01:48:01.289 --> 01:48:04.541 When you're doing these audits like I visited a few towns 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15307-1 01:48:04.541 --> 01:48:07.849 recently, one of one of Bob's towns just we do some stuff 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15307-2 01:48:07.849 --> 01:48:11.157 there. They have a roll off. A cast beam is probably like 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15307-3 01:48:11.157 --> 01:48:12.279 holds a ton 30 yard. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15327-0 01:48:12.999 --> 01:48:15.352 That's gonna have to be hauled to probably wanna Bob's, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15327-1 01:48:15.352 --> 01:48:17.159 facilities too, like, dumped on the floor. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15385-0 01:48:17.839 --> 01:48:21.317 And it won't be just people go through the paper. No, no, no. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15385-1 01:48:21.317 --> 01:48:24.402 It's newspaper doesn't count. Phone books don't count. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15385-2 01:48:24.402 --> 01:48:27.936 Paperbacks don't count. They're gonna have to be, like, really 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15385-3 01:48:27.936 --> 01:48:31.414 picking a good look. OK, here's a Lucky Charms box that goes. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15385-4 01:48:31.414 --> 01:48:34.836 Here's a shoe box. That was probably packaging. So your your 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15385-5 01:48:34.836 --> 01:48:38.145 workforce is going to have to have quite a few extra sorts 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15385-6 01:48:38.145 --> 01:48:39.099 that would guess. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15403-0 01:48:39.829 --> 01:48:42.874 And then how do you decide what's what do you have to have 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15403-1 01:48:42.874 --> 01:48:45.249 like a portable scale like a dot scale where? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15419-0 01:48:45.979 --> 01:48:48.587 Because every facility doesn't have like a bale scale, you 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15419-1 01:48:48.587 --> 01:48:49.869 don't have as big as a table. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15438-0 01:48:50.569 --> 01:48:53.744 We need to know how many milk jugs are in there, how many of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15438-1 01:48:53.744 --> 01:48:56.139 those pesticide jugs came through? How many? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15449-0 01:48:57.049 --> 01:48:59.159 Lucky Charms boxes. How much paperboard? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15455-0 01:48:59.789 --> 01:49:01.309 Junk mail is that in or out? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15464-0 01:49:02.449 --> 01:49:04.618 Some of the stuff that's going to be a little confusing for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15464-1 01:49:04.618 --> 01:49:04.799 them. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15472-0 01:49:05.669 --> 01:49:08.079 School papers. Those don't count, I guess. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15474-0 01:49:09.179 --> 01:49:09.529 So. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15494-0 01:49:10.669 --> 01:49:13.893 Well, there's like 1000. Yeah, a thought like a room this size 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15494-1 01:49:13.893 --> 01:49:17.016 would be big enough. Double roll off or just start shoveling 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15494-2 01:49:17.016 --> 01:49:17.579 through or. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15504-0 01:49:18.529 --> 01:49:22.239 So the process for one again would be. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15512-0 01:49:23.009 --> 01:49:25.479 Of material will be dumped on the tip floor. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15554-0 01:49:26.209 --> 01:49:30.155 We're we're envisioning a room, maybe a little bit 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15554-1 01:49:30.155 --> 01:49:34.474 bigger than this, right. So we're close right outside the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15554-2 01:49:34.474 --> 01:49:39.017 barf. We would hit a bobcat 4- 500 pounds. That's what a typical 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15554-3 01:49:39.017 --> 01:49:42.889 clamp holds bring it over to that sorting facility. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15594-0 01:49:43.569 --> 01:49:47.070 Ordered up a small belt and it's staffed with four, five folks 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15594-1 01:49:47.070 --> 01:49:50.516 and they're sorting that out. I mean, obviously it's whatever 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15594-2 01:49:50.516 --> 01:49:53.962 the policy sets as far as what we're extracting off the belt, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15594-3 01:49:53.962 --> 01:49:56.519 we would extract based on what the commodity. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15649-0 01:49:57.569 --> 01:50:02.148 Ohh, it has those you know cereal Boxes school copy paper. Some. A 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15649-1 01:50:02.148 --> 01:50:06.310 lot of that. It would be mixed paper. You'd have cardboard. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15649-2 01:50:06.310 --> 01:50:10.542 You'd have newspaper, right? Whatever. Those commodities are 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15649-3 01:50:10.542 --> 01:50:14.982 that we're selling, that's how we would envision separating the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15649-4 01:50:14.982 --> 01:50:18.729 materials. Now we're getting down to the brand level. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15649-5 01:50:18.729 --> 01:50:22.059 Obviously we're we're the very, very difficult. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15669-0 01:50:24.089 --> 01:50:27.448 And where this random sample from a roll off or a curbside 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15669-1 01:50:27.448 --> 01:50:29.669 truck, would that be enough, or would? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15757-0 01:50:30.759 --> 01:50:34.513 For this whole EPR thing, do we need to look at the whole truck? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15757-1 01:50:34.513 --> 01:50:37.978 Like you said, some streets you know does a good job. Other 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15757-2 01:50:37.978 --> 01:50:41.616 streets we do a great job. So you have to check every truck in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15757-3 01:50:41.616 --> 01:50:44.966 Bath like 5 trucks once a year, twice a year. It's again. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15757-4 01:50:44.966 --> 01:50:48.373 Consistency is very, very important. I don't think you can 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15757-5 01:50:48.373 --> 01:50:52.011 look at it from one week. It's looking at from month to month, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15757-6 01:50:52.011 --> 01:50:55.476 three months, six months by truck. Right. So you're you and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15757-7 01:50:55.476 --> 01:50:58.710 you you have the ability of truck numbers. You have the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15757-8 01:50:58.710 --> 01:51:02.060 ability to actually see that information over a period of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15757-9 01:51:02.060 --> 01:51:02.349 time. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15796-0 01:51:02.629 --> 01:51:06.851 So you can see the consistency, a residential mix lots of times, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15796-1 01:51:06.851 --> 01:51:10.879 it's pretty consistent of what the you know the the what, the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15796-2 01:51:10.879 --> 01:51:14.777 percentage of newspaper, the percentage of mixed paper, the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15796-3 01:51:14.777 --> 01:51:18.609 percentage of cardboard, what varies a lot is probably the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15796-4 01:51:18.609 --> 01:51:19.909 contamination level. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15798-0 01:51:20.829 --> 01:51:21.129 So. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15804-0 01:51:29.859 --> 01:51:30.799 I'm not sure that was helpful. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15813-0 01:51:31.949 --> 01:51:33.699 Was to me it's a lot of people waiting. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15831-0 01:51:41.629 --> 01:51:44.652 But for those for those audits that you are doing well, that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15831-1 01:51:44.652 --> 01:51:46.189 consistency you're speaking to? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15841-0 01:51:47.529 --> 01:51:49.939 You're saying that it's it's not there. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15860-0 01:51:50.229 --> 01:51:54.336 Or contamination rates. But it is there for how the stream 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15860-1 01:51:54.336 --> 01:51:57.609 breaks down into the different material types. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15877-0 01:51:58.939 --> 01:52:02.488 So we're performing contamination percentages. Yeah, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15877-1 01:52:02.488 --> 01:52:06.438 that's what we're doing now. It all of our facility except 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15877-2 01:52:06.438 --> 01:52:08.849 Lewiston of most of our facilities. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15903-0 01:52:10.839 --> 01:52:14.816 We don't. We're not doing any characterization audits unless 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15903-1 01:52:14.816 --> 01:52:18.859 it's specifically required by a contract or or by a customer. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15918-0 01:52:19.479 --> 01:52:22.779 And then there's additional costs that it's more, it's more 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15918-1 01:52:22.779 --> 01:52:23.879 labor intensive, so. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15929-0 01:52:30.609 --> 01:52:33.444 Last one I've got, I got one more last one. Ohh sorry, go 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15922-0 01:52:30.829 --> 01:52:31.199 OK. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15929-1 01:52:33.444 --> 01:52:34.129 ahead Jessica. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15939-0 01:52:34.729 --> 01:52:36.949 No, I was gonna move us along. So go ahead. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15963-0 01:52:37.279 --> 01:52:40.395 No, you just said that Casella was working on a write up for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15963-1 01:52:40.395 --> 01:52:43.358 what it would cost to to have a building that would allow 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15963-2 01:52:43.358 --> 01:52:44.329 auditing to happen. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15969-0 01:52:45.709 --> 01:52:47.579 I assume you guys would send that to us. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15979-0 01:52:48.489 --> 01:52:51.659 We would, if that's what, if that's what's asked, sure. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15987-0 01:52:52.459 --> 01:52:54.369 Just to have an idea, I. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15988-0 01:52:54.459 --> 01:52:54.649 Yeah. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/15993-0 01:52:55.329 --> 01:52:56.459 Yes, no problem. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16002-0 01:52:55.989 --> 01:52:58.719 Not to create extra work, but if that's something that you 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16002-1 01:52:58.719 --> 01:52:59.599 already looking at. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16030-0 01:53:00.389 --> 01:53:03.613 Yeah. And specifically for specifically for the Lewiston 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16011-0 01:53:01.059 --> 01:53:02.009 Be interesting to know. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16030-1 01:53:03.613 --> 01:53:07.120 MRF, right, Elena, is that that what you look at looking at 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16026-0 01:53:05.569 --> 01:53:06.009 Right. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16030-2 01:53:07.120 --> 01:53:07.629 it? Sure. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16032-0 01:53:08.669 --> 01:53:09.149 Thanks. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16073-0 01:53:12.589 --> 01:53:16.549 So yeah, I wanted to ask folks on line if anybody has comments, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16073-1 01:53:16.549 --> 01:53:20.323 speaking to audits, I know that Vanessa does, but if anybody 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16073-2 01:53:20.323 --> 01:53:24.098 else has comments speaking to audit, you can raise your hand 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16073-3 01:53:24.098 --> 01:53:28.182 and we'll put you in a queue and we'll start taking care of those 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16073-4 01:53:28.182 --> 01:53:28.739 comments. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16076-0 01:53:29.479 --> 01:53:29.989 Next. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16082-0 01:53:38.129 --> 01:53:39.299 When Charles Perot too. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16088-0 01:53:47.399 --> 01:53:48.229 All right, all set. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16091-0 01:53:48.949 --> 01:53:49.439 Yeah, yeah. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16128-0 01:53:50.059 --> 01:53:54.501 OK. Thank you. I'll just start by saying that the statute 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16128-1 01:53:54.501 --> 01:53:59.402 requires substantial auditing of recyclables, waste and litter, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16128-2 01:53:59.402 --> 01:54:03.844 which is data that our team of waste nerds here at NRCM is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16128-3 01:54:03.844 --> 01:54:05.529 really excited to see. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16187-0 01:54:06.789 --> 01:54:11.123 You know, we haven't seen that historically as the department 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16187-1 01:54:11.123 --> 01:54:15.527 sets the rules for these audits, it should seek to provide the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16187-2 01:54:15.527 --> 01:54:19.721 greatest possible transparency into the recycling system to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16187-3 01:54:19.721 --> 01:54:23.775 ensure that Mainers understand how materials are flowing. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16187-4 01:54:23.775 --> 01:54:27.760 Composition studies that identify the mix of recyclables 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16187-5 01:54:27.760 --> 01:54:32.234 in committee community programs and MRFs that will be critical 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16187-6 01:54:32.234 --> 01:54:35.869 to determining the proportion of the program costs. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16194-0 01:54:35.949 --> 01:54:38.529 That it can be attributed to packaging materials. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16263-0 01:54:40.029 --> 01:54:43.830 Audit should also be used to ground truth figures that are 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16263-1 01:54:43.830 --> 01:54:47.438 reported by their producers. This will be a good way to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16263-2 01:54:47.438 --> 01:54:50.788 identify any exempted materials, free riders or any 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16263-3 01:54:50.788 --> 01:54:54.912 underreporting into the system, which means that in addition to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16263-4 01:54:54.912 --> 01:54:58.971 sorting by packaging material and the format, some information 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16263-5 01:54:58.971 --> 01:55:02.321 on brands might also be necessary for collection in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16263-6 01:55:02.321 --> 01:55:06.251 addition to the requirements listed in the statute regarding 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16263-7 01:55:06.251 --> 01:55:09.988 audits, we also believe that sample sizes should be large 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16263-8 01:55:09.988 --> 01:55:10.439 enough. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16299-0 01:55:10.539 --> 01:55:13.693 And samples need to be representative over time and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16299-1 01:55:13.693 --> 01:55:17.576 different geographies, as well as reflecting any changes due to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16299-2 01:55:17.576 --> 01:55:21.398 holidays or seasonal variation. We kept it pretty brief there, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16299-3 01:55:21.398 --> 01:55:25.159 but if there's any questions, I'm happy to take a stab at it. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16308-0 01:55:29.539 --> 01:55:33.839 But from in House, no new hands online. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16317-0 01:55:36.099 --> 01:55:37.679 So you have a little more. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16341-0 01:55:37.059 --> 01:55:41.399 I got. I've got one that maybe that that we may not may be 2. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16341-1 01:55:41.399 --> 01:55:45.949 So when you talk about you know the number of samples and stuff. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16343-0 01:55:46.689 --> 01:55:47.169 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16372-0 01:55:49.269 --> 01:55:55.026 Do you have thoughts on like confidence intervals like we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16372-1 01:55:55.026 --> 01:56:00.783 wanna be so you know 95-90% confidence that the percentage 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16372-2 01:56:00.783 --> 01:56:02.769 of box board is 10%? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16389-0 01:56:03.189 --> 01:56:07.602 Uh ± 2, two percentage points, something like that. Do you have 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16389-1 01:56:07.602 --> 01:56:10.429 any thoughts on how confident you wanna? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16451-0 01:56:11.589 --> 01:56:15.742 Yeah, that's a good question. And I don't have the specific 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16451-1 01:56:15.742 --> 01:56:20.033 numbers on hand right now for like confidence levels and kind 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16451-2 01:56:20.033 --> 01:56:24.532 of like the standard deviation. But I will, I'll get back to you 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16451-3 01:56:24.532 --> 01:56:29.031 on that. But I think that there should be some sort of target to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16451-4 01:56:29.031 --> 01:56:33.185 make sure that we're obtaining enough data on what's coming 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16451-5 01:56:33.185 --> 01:56:37.684 into the MRFs and being sorted and what that is composed of at 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16451-6 01:56:37.684 --> 01:56:38.999 the end of the day. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16453-0 01:56:41.749 --> 01:56:42.179 Thanks. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16455-0 01:56:42.829 --> 01:56:43.199 Yeah. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16504-0 01:56:46.379 --> 01:56:49.911 I also will just note, UM, it wasn't in my comments, but you 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16504-1 01:56:49.911 --> 01:56:53.732 know having the SO be a part of this auditing process and ensure 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16504-2 01:56:53.732 --> 01:56:57.496 consistency in the audits across the board is gonna be critical. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16504-3 01:56:57.496 --> 01:57:00.854 I think that's really important because the, you know the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16504-4 01:57:00.854 --> 01:57:04.560 procedure of of making sure that we're sorting out all of these 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16504-5 01:57:04.560 --> 01:57:05.429 material types. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16519-0 01:57:06.489 --> 01:57:09.745 You know that's that's gonna need to be on point. And I think 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16519-1 01:57:09.745 --> 01:57:12.949 the SSO would be critical and making sure that that happens. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16529-0 01:57:17.759 --> 01:57:20.331 OK, the rest of your comments are speaking to goals. Is that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16529-1 01:57:20.331 --> 01:57:20.669 correct? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16533-0 01:57:21.759 --> 01:57:22.699 Yes. Yeah. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16542-0 01:57:23.539 --> 01:57:25.549 So we're gonna go ahead and let Andy. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16555-0 01:57:27.009 --> 01:57:30.368 They the rest of his comments because he has to be out at 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16555-1 01:57:30.368 --> 01:57:30.889 3:30, OK. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16574-0 01:57:32.929 --> 01:57:36.939 And we'll come back to you, Vanessa, to hear the goals 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16574-1 01:57:36.939 --> 01:57:40.439 portion after Andy will go to Charles, OK. Yes. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16592-0 01:57:41.409 --> 01:57:45.646 I I appreciate the the chairs privilege to let me hop out so I 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16592-1 01:57:45.646 --> 01:57:49.009 can can take care of childcare duty here at 3:30. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16656-0 01:57:50.199 --> 01:57:53.362 Starting with our comments, again, Andy Hackman and behalf 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16656-1 01:57:53.362 --> 01:57:56.842 of AMERIPEN and represents the entire packaging supply chain in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16656-2 01:57:56.842 --> 01:58:00.269 terms of audits, I want to under score or comment that's already 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16656-3 01:58:00.269 --> 01:58:03.379 been made in terms of the necessity that the rules clearly 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16656-4 01:58:03.379 --> 01:58:06.384 identify that these audits call out those actual covered 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16656-5 01:58:06.384 --> 01:58:09.759 materials versus materials that are in the stream and are not a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16656-6 01:58:09.759 --> 01:58:12.922 covered material that would receive reimbursement. So we've 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16656-7 01:58:12.922 --> 01:58:15.927 we've talked about that in previous sessions. So I don't 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16656-8 01:58:15.927 --> 01:58:16.349 want to. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16722-0 01:58:17.489 --> 01:58:21.219 Don't wanna beat that dead horse? We think it's important, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16722-1 01:58:21.219 --> 01:58:25.138 too, that the rules this wasn't specifically something in the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16722-2 01:58:25.138 --> 01:58:28.678 background document, but it's sort of alluded to as the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16722-3 01:58:28.678 --> 01:58:32.408 questions get to different levels farther and farther away 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16722-4 01:58:32.408 --> 01:58:36.327 from from Maine, quite frankly, in terms of processing and and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16722-5 01:58:36.327 --> 01:58:39.425 downstream audits, it's important that the rules 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16722-6 01:58:39.425 --> 01:58:42.523 articulate that the SO has authority to get this 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16722-7 01:58:42.523 --> 01:58:46.379 information because we may run into occasions where there's. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16777-0 01:58:46.469 --> 01:58:49.790 There's perhap interest in getting the reimbursement, but 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16777-1 01:58:49.790 --> 01:58:53.225 not interest in providing data from certain entities in the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16777-2 01:58:53.225 --> 01:58:56.946 system. Appreciate that Casellas already thought about this, and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16777-3 01:58:56.946 --> 01:59:00.496 I think that's encouraging for a system working well together 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16777-4 01:59:00.496 --> 01:59:03.874 would echo what Vanessa said in terms of we believe the SO 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16777-5 01:59:03.874 --> 01:59:07.138 should be involved in and sort of participating in those 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16777-6 01:59:07.138 --> 01:59:07.539 audits. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16843-0 01:59:08.759 --> 01:59:12.137 We we support in terms of some of the questions in the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16843-1 01:59:12.137 --> 01:59:15.453 background documents, appropriate geographic sampling 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16843-2 01:59:15.453 --> 01:59:19.507 and if there's already sort of a thought pattern around municipal 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16843-3 01:59:19.507 --> 01:59:23.377 reimbursements being bifurcated by geographic regions. And one 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16843-4 01:59:23.377 --> 01:59:27.185 of our previous discussions, I think we talked about a couple 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16843-5 01:59:27.185 --> 01:59:30.870 of different potential region type scenarios. We think that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16843-6 01:59:30.870 --> 01:59:34.432 there should be you know respective audits that that also 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16843-7 01:59:34.432 --> 01:59:37.749 represent those regions so that we're capturing both. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16899-0 01:59:37.909 --> 01:59:41.953 The money it would go out to to fund different reimbursement 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16899-1 01:59:41.953 --> 01:59:45.733 areas as well as the material flow from those from those 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16899-2 01:59:45.733 --> 01:59:49.512 particular geographic areas. We think that annual audits 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16899-3 01:59:49.512 --> 01:59:53.557 probably makes sense. I think doing more and I don't know if 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16899-4 01:59:53.557 --> 01:59:57.602 others would have comment on that during sort of the engaged 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16899-5 01:59:57.602 --> 02:00:01.713 section that comes up in our next meeting. But I think annual 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16899-6 02:00:01.713 --> 02:00:04.299 audits would probably be relevant and. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16924-0 02:00:05.049 --> 02:00:10.020 You know, we we are hopeful that the ability for for a uniform at 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16924-1 02:00:10.020 --> 02:00:14.840 SO or PRO that operates at the national scale might be able to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16924-2 02:00:14.840 --> 02:00:16.949 get some of the information. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16947-0 02:00:18.209 --> 02:00:21.729 That's that's mentioned in the downstream aspect of some of the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16947-1 02:00:21.729 --> 02:00:24.974 questions in the background document. Some of that depends 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16947-2 02:00:24.974 --> 02:00:28.329 on which SO is selected by the department. You know they're 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/16947-3 02:00:28.329 --> 02:00:28.769 they're. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17038-0 02:00:29.669 --> 02:00:33.592 There's going to be one. SO in in Colorado and and there may be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17038-1 02:00:33.592 --> 02:00:37.515 others and to seek compliance in Oregon or California. We think 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17038-2 02:00:37.515 --> 02:00:41.500 that there will probably be one, but it some of that will depend 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17038-3 02:00:41.500 --> 02:00:45.116 on the ability for the SSO to have a national reach to get 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17038-4 02:00:45.116 --> 02:00:48.611 some of that downstream information. So that's obviously 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17038-5 02:00:48.611 --> 02:00:52.227 something the department will have to factor into your RFP 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17038-6 02:00:52.227 --> 02:00:55.967 process and selecting the SO. But we think it's relevant in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17038-7 02:00:55.967 --> 02:00:59.828 terms of thinking about audits that the the ability for the SO 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17038-8 02:00:59.828 --> 02:01:01.729 to have that that larger reach. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17101-0 02:01:01.939 --> 02:01:05.544 Could be important then in authorizing certain authority or 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17101-1 02:01:05.544 --> 02:01:09.089 getting certain information. So that's the end of my audit 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17101-2 02:01:09.089 --> 02:01:12.815 comments. Again, appreciate the I'll just plow right into the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17101-3 02:01:12.815 --> 02:01:16.540 performance goals. We appreciate that the background document 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17101-4 02:01:16.540 --> 02:01:19.725 noted that these are not enforceable goals that will 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17101-5 02:01:19.725 --> 02:01:22.909 result in compliance or noncompliance for particular 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17101-6 02:01:22.909 --> 02:01:26.395 producer. We think that's important to carry that concept 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17101-7 02:01:26.395 --> 02:01:29.219 forward in the regulations so that it's clear. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17181-0 02:01:30.259 --> 02:01:33.929 So that there doesn't become sort of a sniping amongst the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17181-1 02:01:33.929 --> 02:01:37.537 ability for producers to meet these goals. We think it is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17181-2 02:01:37.537 --> 02:01:41.270 helpful and informing the rates for the producer or the the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17181-3 02:01:41.270 --> 02:01:44.629 stewardship organization fees and and looking to fund 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17181-4 02:01:44.629 --> 02:01:48.299 infrastructure. I think it's important to note as we think 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17181-5 02:01:48.299 --> 02:01:52.032 about developing performance goals, producers are not going 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17181-6 02:01:52.032 --> 02:01:55.951 to have direct engagement with the system in the same way that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17181-7 02:01:55.951 --> 02:01:59.870 they are and in other states. So things like source reduction, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17181-8 02:01:59.870 --> 02:02:00.119 PCR. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17259-0 02:02:00.239 --> 02:02:03.716 Content flowing from the state to producers we've already 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17259-1 02:02:03.716 --> 02:02:07.374 talked about material ownership and and I I would agree, you 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17259-2 02:02:07.374 --> 02:02:11.032 know, certainly producers are not going to own the material. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17259-3 02:02:11.032 --> 02:02:14.809 So the ability to get that back into to products, particularly 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17259-4 02:02:14.809 --> 02:02:18.467 products destined for Maine is going to have to be done at a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17259-5 02:02:18.467 --> 02:02:22.244 national level. So some of the goals will have to be evaluated 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17259-6 02:02:22.244 --> 02:02:26.081 at a national level because of the fact that we're not going to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17259-7 02:02:26.081 --> 02:02:29.439 be getting Maine specific information and and sources of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17259-8 02:02:29.439 --> 02:02:30.039 materials. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17283-0 02:02:30.369 --> 02:02:33.716 In order to to to have goals that are very Maine specific, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17283-1 02:02:33.716 --> 02:02:37.121 just to be quite frank, because we're not connected to the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17283-2 02:02:37.121 --> 02:02:38.449 system in the same way. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17339-0 02:02:39.649 --> 02:02:43.616 There were some questions in the background document relevant to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17339-1 02:02:43.616 --> 02:02:47.400 to litter reduction and litter audit, so this comment kind of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17339-2 02:02:47.400 --> 02:02:50.878 goes back and forth between those areas. We think again, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17339-3 02:02:50.878 --> 02:02:54.845 it's important to make sure that the audits and litter reduction 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17339-4 02:02:54.845 --> 02:02:58.690 goals are specific to covered materials. So we have an idea of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17339-5 02:02:58.690 --> 02:03:02.169 what is actually a covered material that's ending up in. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17410-0 02:03:02.959 --> 02:03:06.271 It and and as litter. There's certainly products, even 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17410-1 02:03:06.271 --> 02:03:10.125 products that have been banned in the state that I still see as 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17410-2 02:03:10.125 --> 02:03:13.859 as litter. And so for producers to sort of be on the hook for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17410-3 02:03:13.859 --> 02:03:17.172 litter audits, clean up and infrastructure relative to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17410-4 02:03:17.172 --> 02:03:20.966 materials that are not covered materials, cigarette butts, you 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17410-5 02:03:20.966 --> 02:03:24.699 know those types of things are litter that that that I see on 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17410-6 02:03:24.699 --> 02:03:28.313 occasion when I go out for a run. So I think it's important 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17410-7 02:03:28.313 --> 02:03:31.806 that we make sure that the obligation for the stewardship 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17410-8 02:03:31.806 --> 02:03:32.589 organization. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17485-0 02:03:32.929 --> 02:03:36.433 Under goals for litter is relevant to those things that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17485-1 02:03:36.433 --> 02:03:40.437 are actually covered. Material in terms of just sort of a final 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17485-2 02:03:40.437 --> 02:03:44.379 comment on performance goals, we don't have a lot of good data 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17485-3 02:03:44.379 --> 02:03:48.384 right now nationally. You know we don't have a lot of good data 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17485-4 02:03:48.384 --> 02:03:52.201 for Maine to sort of come up with what will be recommend for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17485-5 02:03:52.201 --> 02:03:55.392 a reuse goal, what will we recommend for an actual 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17485-6 02:03:55.392 --> 02:03:59.334 recycling goal for a particular material. So I don't have that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17485-7 02:03:59.334 --> 02:04:02.963 to offer to the to the group today, but I I would suggest 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17485-8 02:04:02.963 --> 02:04:03.589 that that. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17565-0 02:04:03.689 --> 02:04:07.191 It may be refined based upon sort of the initial plans or 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17565-1 02:04:07.191 --> 02:04:10.934 sorry, the the initial audits and information actually coming 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17565-2 02:04:10.934 --> 02:04:14.678 back from the system. I think it's something to that could be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17565-3 02:04:14.678 --> 02:04:18.542 driven from the needs assessment as a way of helping understand 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17565-4 02:04:18.542 --> 02:04:21.682 and establish what is a baseline. And then finally, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17565-5 02:04:21.682 --> 02:04:24.762 there was a question about should we look to other 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17565-6 02:04:24.762 --> 02:04:28.566 jurisdictions for goals to put into the regulation here. And I 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17565-7 02:04:28.566 --> 02:04:32.188 think that's something that's really challenging to do. The 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17565-8 02:04:32.188 --> 02:04:33.819 only state that really has. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17625-0 02:04:34.699 --> 02:04:37.552 A single goal in statute is California and that source 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17625-1 02:04:37.552 --> 02:04:40.560 reduction, and I think everybody knows that that's that's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17625-2 02:04:40.560 --> 02:04:43.984 stipulated at 25%, but there's a lot of calculation and what goes 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17625-3 02:04:43.984 --> 02:04:46.940 to count to get to that and there's that's not something 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17625-4 02:04:46.940 --> 02:04:50.208 that's actually in compliance right now. Recycled content. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17625-5 02:04:50.208 --> 02:04:53.009 There are some different points to hit in New Jersey, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17625-6 02:04:53.009 --> 02:04:56.433 California, Washington state for recycled content that exists out 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17625-7 02:04:56.433 --> 02:04:57.989 there is potential benchmarks. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17670-0 02:04:59.019 --> 02:05:02.020 Uh, particularly in New Jersey and Washington state have not 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17670-1 02:05:02.020 --> 02:05:05.219 been implemented yet. So I think it's important that we not just 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17670-2 02:05:05.219 --> 02:05:08.368 pick those numbers and put right into regulation here unless we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17670-3 02:05:08.368 --> 02:05:11.419 feel that there's actually the ability to have data that sort 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17670-4 02:05:11.419 --> 02:05:12.649 of sort of backs that up. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17688-0 02:05:14.159 --> 02:05:16.349 And I think that's that's largely in terms of my comments 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17688-1 02:05:16.349 --> 02:05:18.729 for performance goals. So thank you for taking me out of turn. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17705-0 02:05:22.119 --> 02:05:26.958 Thank you. Stick around in the case we have any questions, none 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17705-1 02:05:26.958 --> 02:05:27.639 in house. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17708-0 02:05:29.779 --> 02:05:30.829 I said 2. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17730-0 02:05:32.069 --> 02:05:36.369 You mentioned uh PCR goals needing to be evaluated sort of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17730-1 02:05:36.369 --> 02:05:40.887 at the national level, not just Maine specific material you're 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17730-2 02:05:40.887 --> 02:05:42.199 familiar with the. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17742-0 02:05:43.679 --> 02:05:47.199 PCR 25 percent, 30% PCR in bottle Bill in. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17776-0 02:05:47.989 --> 02:05:52.783 bottom bill material that is that a is that system a workable 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17749-0 02:05:49.349 --> 02:05:49.629 Yes. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17776-1 02:05:52.783 --> 02:05:57.735 system or is there is there a law that you guys would point to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17776-2 02:05:57.735 --> 02:06:00.879 that that sort of outlines that nicely? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17859-0 02:06:01.539 --> 02:06:04.887 Yeah. So I mean, bottle bill is a stream that we've already 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17859-1 02:06:04.887 --> 02:06:07.962 talked about source separated streams and how those are 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17859-2 02:06:07.962 --> 02:06:11.420 different and and and getting that material. So whether or not 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17801-0 02:06:08.789 --> 02:06:09.169 Right. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17859-3 02:06:11.420 --> 02:06:14.329 those numbers are exactly relevant. You look at food 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17859-4 02:06:14.329 --> 02:06:17.843 contact, flexible materials for example that number is going to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17859-5 02:06:17.843 --> 02:06:21.082 be quite different than than a bottle bill number because 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17859-6 02:06:21.082 --> 02:06:24.540 you're the source is just just completely different and you're 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17859-7 02:06:24.540 --> 02:06:28.053 using multilayer materials. And so I think it does need to look 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17859-8 02:06:28.053 --> 02:06:30.469 at materials individually and specifically. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17926-0 02:06:31.629 --> 02:06:35.476 New Jersey has passed the most recent of recycled content, but 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17926-1 02:06:35.476 --> 02:06:39.262 it doesn't cover all product categories. Right? And and there 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17926-2 02:06:39.262 --> 02:06:43.170 are escalation provisions in New Jersey that that will be based 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17926-3 02:06:43.170 --> 02:06:46.895 upon different factors. There is a five year waiver for food 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17926-4 02:06:46.895 --> 02:06:50.437 contact products. So that there's an acknowledgement that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17926-5 02:06:50.437 --> 02:06:53.429 for food contact recycled contents particularly 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17926-6 02:06:53.429 --> 02:06:57.032 challenging given federal regulation and and acceptance or 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/17926-7 02:06:57.032 --> 02:07:00.879 I should say non denial letters for the resin. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18010-0 02:07:01.579 --> 02:07:05.406 So there, there are factors that would all need to be considered 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18010-1 02:07:05.406 --> 02:07:08.703 and brought to, you know, brought forward from the from 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18010-2 02:07:08.703 --> 02:07:12.295 the legislation and they're working on regulations right now 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18010-3 02:07:12.295 --> 02:07:15.946 in New Jersey. So that's still sort of a work in process. And 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18010-4 02:07:15.946 --> 02:07:19.596 with regard to our bottle bill numbers that wouldn't, I don't 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18010-5 02:07:19.596 --> 02:07:22.717 think that could relate for every material and every 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18010-6 02:07:22.717 --> 02:07:26.426 packaging type, if it is a sort of more one to one comparison, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18010-7 02:07:26.426 --> 02:07:29.900 they're you know, a bottle that's not a beverage, but it's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18010-8 02:07:29.900 --> 02:07:31.549 another rigid PET bottle or. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18046-0 02:07:31.619 --> 02:07:35.822 Or HDPE bottle. That qualifies. I don't think we've got many 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18046-1 02:07:35.822 --> 02:07:39.957 beverage bottles that are not that are in HDPE, but but for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18046-2 02:07:39.957 --> 02:07:44.022 PET so you know for for that product type perhaps that's a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18046-3 02:07:44.022 --> 02:07:46.779 good benchmark because we are you know. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18069-0 02:07:47.829 --> 02:07:51.234 That I think we're still a few years out, right from achieving 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18069-1 02:07:51.234 --> 02:07:54.749 progress on that. But you know if it's irrelevant material then 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18069-2 02:07:54.749 --> 02:07:55.189 perhaps. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18094-0 02:07:56.399 --> 02:08:00.378 I I was not referring to the percentage so much as I meant to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18094-1 02:08:00.378 --> 02:08:03.972 ask about the method of reporting, and I think it says, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18094-2 02:08:03.972 --> 02:08:06.989 you know, the language about like you can use. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18088-0 02:08:04.329 --> 02:08:04.629 Uh. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18131-0 02:08:07.419 --> 02:08:10.691 Uh, I don't know. I won't be able to tell you the language, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18131-1 02:08:10.691 --> 02:08:14.072 but there I know that there is language around. You know, you 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18107-0 02:08:11.209 --> 02:08:11.489 Yeah. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18131-2 02:08:14.072 --> 02:08:17.508 can use regional data. In this case. It specifies it specifies 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18124-0 02:08:15.759 --> 02:08:17.029 Yeah, yeah. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18131-3 02:08:17.508 --> 02:08:19.199 that data and how it should be. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18135-0 02:08:20.519 --> 02:08:21.089 Reported. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18166-0 02:08:20.549 --> 02:08:23.759 Yeah. I mean, I think I have to look at the language myself to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18166-1 02:08:23.759 --> 02:08:27.020 see how how you know, what's the first stop? Does it have to be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18166-2 02:08:27.020 --> 02:08:30.128 Maine specific data and its main specific data doesn't exist. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18166-3 02:08:30.128 --> 02:08:32.319 Then you go to regional and national data. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18168-0 02:08:33.439 --> 02:08:34.069 The. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18240-0 02:08:35.289 --> 02:08:39.195 The preference for local data. I understand that you know these 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18240-1 02:08:39.195 --> 02:08:42.858 packages are going to be made across the country and source 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18240-2 02:08:42.858 --> 02:08:46.337 from across the country and you can't track, you know, a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18240-3 02:08:46.337 --> 02:08:50.244 material not like every material has got an RF ID number on it, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18240-4 02:08:50.244 --> 02:08:53.784 right? Or RF ID chip on it. So each pellet you know if the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18240-5 02:08:53.784 --> 02:08:57.386 pellet is is processed in New Hampshire goes to a bottling 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18240-6 02:08:57.386 --> 02:09:00.743 facility or an extrusion facility in Pennsylvania from 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18240-7 02:09:00.743 --> 02:09:04.650 New Hampshire, Maine. Specific data on like you know where that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18240-8 02:09:04.650 --> 02:09:05.749 content came from. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18312-0 02:09:06.079 --> 02:09:09.853 Is is I mean near impossible. I think to get because we're just 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18312-1 02:09:09.853 --> 02:09:13.451 we're not. We're not scanning each pellet you know from from 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18312-2 02:09:13.451 --> 02:09:16.694 the source material or each pallet that comes in of of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18312-3 02:09:16.694 --> 02:09:20.115 a pellet or an ingot or you know a cardboard bale that's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18312-4 02:09:20.115 --> 02:09:23.890 reprocessed. You know it may be like I said consolidated in New 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18312-5 02:09:23.890 --> 02:09:27.369 Hampshire you know processed in Pennsylvania and goes into 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18312-6 02:09:27.369 --> 02:09:30.672 packaging that's then printed you know General Mills in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18312-7 02:09:30.672 --> 02:09:33.149 Minnesota and then comes back to Maine so. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18378-0 02:09:33.669 --> 02:09:37.095 Umm. And getting means specific data is and I think quite 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18378-1 02:09:37.095 --> 02:09:40.877 frankly what's going to likely happen is is folks are gonna say 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18378-2 02:09:40.877 --> 02:09:44.421 we have to use national data because of this. You know, the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18378-3 02:09:44.421 --> 02:09:47.907 flow of materials. And so I would encourage the department 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18378-4 02:09:47.907 --> 02:09:51.511 to think about using national data for things like that that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18378-5 02:09:51.511 --> 02:09:54.702 are, you know, PCR goals that are you know, you know, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18378-6 02:09:54.702 --> 02:09:58.542 particularly PCR goals or source reduction goals. National data 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18378-7 02:09:58.542 --> 02:10:00.669 is likely going to have to be used. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18385-0 02:10:02.999 --> 02:10:04.839 So I think one of the reasons that. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18392-0 02:10:07.059 --> 02:10:09.739 More, more regionally specific data is. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18402-0 02:10:11.139 --> 02:10:15.089 Is preferred is that that is what helps you get the pull. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18408-0 02:10:16.029 --> 02:10:18.239 Because if. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18487-0 02:10:18.459 --> 02:10:22.500 No, I get that. But we're not manufacturing enough stuff in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18487-1 02:10:22.500 --> 02:10:26.676 New England. You know, if we even look at New England, right, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18428-0 02:10:22.739 --> 02:10:23.799 For it to matter, OK. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18487-2 02:10:26.676 --> 02:10:30.582 like we're just we're not manufacturing we're I mean, our 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18487-3 02:10:30.582 --> 02:10:34.219 geography is is unfortunately a detriment to where we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18487-4 02:10:34.219 --> 02:10:38.059 manufacture stuff. So that's why I think it's gonna be a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18487-5 02:10:38.059 --> 02:10:42.235 challenge. We may, you know, have processing capacity and and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18487-6 02:10:42.235 --> 02:10:45.535 a certain level of that regionally. But there is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18487-7 02:10:45.535 --> 02:10:49.509 consolidation even in the last five years that's happened. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18508-0 02:10:49.589 --> 02:10:54.228 In the package goods sector that you know, we don't have a serial 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18508-1 02:10:54.228 --> 02:10:56.969 plan in New England that I'm aware of. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18528-0 02:10:57.629 --> 02:11:00.074 You know, there's. I think there's some smaller niche based 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18528-1 02:11:00.074 --> 02:11:02.560 companies, but from a national perspective and and the folks 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18528-2 02:11:02.560 --> 02:11:04.109 that are largely going to have to be. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18574-0 02:11:05.999 --> 02:11:09.316 The the the vast amount of data that comes in to trying to meet 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18574-1 02:11:09.316 --> 02:11:12.166 some of these goals. You know those those products are 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18574-2 02:11:12.166 --> 02:11:15.172 produced nationwide and and getting that regional data is 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18557-0 02:11:12.549 --> 02:11:12.909 OK. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18574-3 02:11:15.172 --> 02:11:18.386 probably only going to be for sort of niche based products or 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18574-4 02:11:18.386 --> 02:11:19.889 only those regional products. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18583-0 02:11:21.259 --> 02:11:24.229 OK. And then my other question was. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18603-0 02:11:26.449 --> 02:11:31.080 Response to Vanessa's comment about using audits that might 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18603-1 02:11:31.080 --> 02:11:33.859 have brand specific information to. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18608-0 02:11:35.209 --> 02:11:39.019 Ground Truth producer reporting. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18619-0 02:11:39.709 --> 02:11:41.667 Find free riders. See if something you might be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18615-0 02:11:39.969 --> 02:11:40.799 And this is. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18619-1 02:11:41.667 --> 02:11:42.239 underreported. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18660-0 02:11:42.879 --> 02:11:46.188 Yeah. And this is on the on the backside in terms of there's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18660-1 02:11:46.188 --> 02:11:49.713 higher volume of material, if I understood her. Her point right, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18660-2 02:11:49.713 --> 02:11:52.697 there's higher volume of material showing up as either 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18660-3 02:11:52.697 --> 02:11:55.409 contamination or you're showing up in particular. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18694-0 02:11:56.449 --> 02:12:00.410 MRF or facility, then, is what is reported. I I don't see 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18694-1 02:12:00.410 --> 02:12:04.177 any problem with that. If as long as it's data that we're 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18694-2 02:12:04.177 --> 02:12:07.489 we're all seeing and understanding and and that it 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18694-3 02:12:07.489 --> 02:12:08.009 informs. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18710-0 02:12:09.129 --> 02:12:11.930 You know, incredible audit. That's that's done by a, you 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18710-1 02:12:11.930 --> 02:12:14.339 know, either a third party or by the by the SO. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18718-0 02:12:15.899 --> 02:12:17.529 You know the the the. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18809-0 02:12:18.449 --> 02:12:22.025 If the variance is small, I mean you have to sort of define a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18809-1 02:12:22.025 --> 02:12:25.139 threshold of like what what causes an action and what 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18809-2 02:12:25.139 --> 02:12:28.773 happens next. Like if if it's under reported that goes back to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18809-3 02:12:28.773 --> 02:12:32.002 the so and then the so is gonna determine. Did somebody 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18809-4 02:12:32.002 --> 02:12:35.694 particularly underreport? Cuz I don't think we're going to date 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18809-5 02:12:35.694 --> 02:12:39.096 it back. That said, hey, you know, General Mills fees were 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18809-6 02:12:39.096 --> 02:12:42.384 set at this level based upon this volume of material. We 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18809-7 02:12:42.384 --> 02:12:45.614 determined that there are there's a higher volume of of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18809-8 02:12:45.614 --> 02:12:48.959 that company's material showing up in our our facilities. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18891-0 02:12:49.529 --> 02:12:53.263 Such that we can the feedback loop would say General Mills 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18891-1 02:12:53.263 --> 02:12:57.314 underreported. Now I think for for a material perhaps so if the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18891-2 02:12:57.314 --> 02:13:01.365 so is suggesting that we've paid this amount of fees based upon 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18891-3 02:13:01.365 --> 02:13:04.909 this amount of materials and there's just a higher much 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18891-4 02:13:04.909 --> 02:13:08.833 higher volume in a mixed plastic for example then what the SO 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18891-5 02:13:08.833 --> 02:13:12.821 reported. I think that feedback to the so could be relevant to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18891-6 02:13:12.821 --> 02:13:16.808 say you know we didn't collect enough funds to to address some 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18891-7 02:13:16.808 --> 02:13:20.669 mixed plastic portfolio we're seeing more mixed plastic here 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18891-8 02:13:20.669 --> 02:13:21.239 in Maine. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18991-0 02:13:21.819 --> 02:13:25.249 You know you need to reallocate in your in your next plan so 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18991-1 02:13:25.249 --> 02:13:28.903 that we can accommodate for what we're seeing is a higher volume 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18991-2 02:13:28.903 --> 02:13:32.446 of mixed plastic than than what you've reported that was going 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18991-3 02:13:32.446 --> 02:13:35.707 into the system. I think that's more feasible from a data 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18991-4 02:13:35.707 --> 02:13:39.193 perspective, but it to to the point that that was made about, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18991-5 02:13:39.193 --> 02:13:42.735 you know, the Casella audit, if we're going to check off that, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18991-6 02:13:42.735 --> 02:13:46.278 you know, General Mills showed up in a higher volume than what 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18991-7 02:13:46.278 --> 02:13:49.595 we think was was actually collected from them in fees that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/18991-8 02:13:49.595 --> 02:13:52.969 we were. These audits are going to get really intensive so. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19068-0 02:13:53.269 --> 02:13:56.897 I think there could be feedback though, based upon the materials 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19068-1 02:13:56.897 --> 02:14:00.414 and the types that we're seeing. If they feel underreported or 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19068-2 02:14:00.414 --> 02:14:03.875 overreported, you know, there might be, one could argue there 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19068-3 02:14:03.875 --> 02:14:07.001 would be disincentive to push more material into what's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19068-4 02:14:07.001 --> 02:14:10.406 readily recyclable or or you know it's easier to ask so that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19068-5 02:14:10.406 --> 02:14:13.755 the PRO, or the SO overall you know fee schedule is is lower 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19068-6 02:14:13.755 --> 02:14:17.216 and so that would be relevant feedback. So I think that would 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19068-7 02:14:17.216 --> 02:14:20.844 work but I don't think we can go down to a brand level of of the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19068-8 02:14:20.844 --> 02:14:23.859 audits you know saying that you didn't report enough. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19071-0 02:14:23.929 --> 02:14:25.579 Material that helps. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19074-0 02:14:26.479 --> 02:14:26.909 Thanks. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19094-0 02:14:37.029 --> 02:14:40.576 Yes, that's all for questions, Randy. OK, that's that's all the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19094-1 02:14:40.576 --> 02:14:42.239 questions for Andy. Thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19110-0 02:14:44.749 --> 02:14:49.256 The and then I Charles. Yes, arrow. We're gonna give you the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19110-1 02:14:49.256 --> 02:14:51.399 floor to share your comments. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19115-0 02:14:52.249 --> 02:14:53.069 On audits. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19124-0 02:15:07.059 --> 02:15:08.439 Hi, good afternoon. Can you hear me? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19129-0 02:15:09.359 --> 02:15:10.559 Afternoon. Yes we can. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19153-0 02:15:11.069 --> 02:15:15.171 OK, I guess I have a. My name is Charles Perow. I'm the solid 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19153-1 02:15:15.171 --> 02:15:18.948 waste manager for the town of Harpswell. I guess I have a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19153-2 02:15:18.948 --> 02:15:22.399 question concern and a multipart comment at the end. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19161-0 02:15:23.709 --> 02:15:26.459 My question is, when the audits taking place. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19182-0 02:15:27.279 --> 02:15:29.606 And you look at the contamination, that type of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19182-1 02:15:29.606 --> 02:15:32.758 thing, are you looking to assign some kind of a sliding scale or 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19182-2 02:15:32.758 --> 02:15:34.019 a grading system to towns? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19211-0 02:15:34.799 --> 02:15:38.054 Like a one through 10 or an A through E or something like 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19211-1 02:15:38.054 --> 02:15:41.647 that, that would be commensurate with whatever kind of monetary 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19211-2 02:15:41.647 --> 02:15:44.229 refund they would that they would be getting. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19230-0 02:15:45.009 --> 02:15:49.173 Or or or or some kind of a grading system to so. Towns can 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19230-1 02:15:49.173 --> 02:15:52.279 either improve or or know where they stand. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19254-0 02:15:53.639 --> 02:15:56.307 Is there a certain cutoff where a town just not allowed to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19254-1 02:15:56.307 --> 02:15:59.066 participate? Maybe I? Maybe you already discussed that and I 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19254-2 02:15:59.066 --> 02:15:59.519 missed it. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19262-0 02:16:01.139 --> 02:16:04.709 My my concern would be during these audits. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19274-0 02:16:05.369 --> 02:16:09.279 Umm, we find that, you know, we we live in an older community. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19326-0 02:16:10.459 --> 02:16:13.450 As hard as we try to get people to secure documents and that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19326-1 02:16:13.450 --> 02:16:16.197 type of thing, there's a lot of personal information in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19326-2 02:16:16.197 --> 02:16:19.433 recycling because a lot of it is on paper, so security would be a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19326-3 02:16:19.433 --> 02:16:22.131 concern of mine just for the fact that when it goes to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19326-4 02:16:22.131 --> 02:16:25.024 America, it's not every little piece isn't being handled a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19326-5 02:16:25.024 --> 02:16:28.016 shuffled or sorted through. But if you're doing audits, they 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19326-6 02:16:28.016 --> 02:16:30.419 they clearly would and we'd want some kind of a. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19337-0 02:16:31.219 --> 02:16:33.969 I'm not a guarantee, but some kind of, uh, you know. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19341-0 02:16:35.989 --> 02:16:36.299 Sure. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19349-0 02:16:36.139 --> 02:16:38.069 I don't know how to word about, you know, some kind of. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19350-0 02:16:37.439 --> 02:16:38.529 Non disclosure. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19371-0 02:16:39.369 --> 02:16:42.680 Well, something that makes us feel comfortable with, you know, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19371-1 02:16:42.680 --> 02:16:45.729 the personnel or or the the system from a security point. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19375-0 02:16:47.139 --> 02:16:48.829 My my comments are. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19379-0 02:16:51.829 --> 02:16:53.259 You know the the recycling. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19465-0 02:16:53.719 --> 02:16:57.369 Uh, currently is already clearly stressed as far as products with 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19465-1 02:16:57.369 --> 02:17:00.798 prices, towns are paying. You know if this gets, you know, to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19465-2 02:17:00.798 --> 02:17:04.337 a point where it's becoming too burdensome on a town, I can see 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19465-3 02:17:04.337 --> 02:17:07.821 it being an issue, you know, in the past, I remember back when 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19465-4 02:17:07.821 --> 02:17:10.918 the state did went through the whole emissions program, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19465-5 02:17:10.918 --> 02:17:13.960 implemented all this build buildings, did all this and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19465-6 02:17:13.960 --> 02:17:17.389 that. Then they end up pulling the plug on it just because it 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19465-7 02:17:17.389 --> 02:17:20.320 was such a burden to the individual, not so much the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19465-8 02:17:20.320 --> 02:17:21.039 municipality. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19539-0 02:17:24.159 --> 02:17:27.676 And my last comment is, is that we weren't able to get, I I I'm 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19539-1 02:17:27.676 --> 02:17:31.083 part of a recycling community have a recycling community that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19539-2 02:17:31.083 --> 02:17:34.600 backs up my position and we do have a letter with some concerns 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19539-3 02:17:34.600 --> 02:17:37.182 and some and some recommendations that type of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19539-4 02:17:37.182 --> 02:17:40.644 thing that has been drafted. I know today is the cutoff but we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19539-5 02:17:40.644 --> 02:17:44.052 we need to have that cleared by our select board on the 30th. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19539-6 02:17:44.052 --> 02:17:47.568 Once that is cleared we will be mailing it to you and hopefully 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19539-7 02:17:47.568 --> 02:17:50.921 that can be put in the record for the for this meeting or at 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19539-8 02:17:50.921 --> 02:17:53.009 some point in the process so so hard. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19550-0 02:17:53.109 --> 02:17:56.219 So we'll have some kind of a voice in the process. Thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19578-0 02:18:02.379 --> 02:18:05.919 Yeah. Just in terms of the deadline, yeah, that's anything 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19578-1 02:18:05.919 --> 02:18:09.699 submitted at you know, during this anytime during this process 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19578-2 02:18:09.699 --> 02:18:12.279 is gonna be included in with the comments. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19582-0 02:18:19.249 --> 02:18:20.949 And any other. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19589-0 02:18:23.169 --> 02:18:25.239 Comments regarding audits from. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19591-0 02:18:25.979 --> 02:18:26.419 the field. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19595-0 02:18:28.419 --> 02:18:29.479 Field being the Internet. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19615-0 02:18:31.829 --> 02:18:36.479 I just just to clarify, Charles, you would be, I understood the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19615-1 02:18:36.479 --> 02:18:41.130 security comment, that's a very good point the the more general 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19615-2 02:18:41.130 --> 02:18:42.729 contamination comment. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19639-0 02:18:44.959 --> 02:18:50.597 I take it you are you don't like the idea of UM contamination 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19639-1 02:18:50.597 --> 02:18:55.781 audits, uh, influencing reimbursement to municipalities, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19639-2 02:18:55.781 --> 02:18:56.509 correct? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19716-0 02:18:57.539 --> 02:19:00.636 I'm just wondering if if they do, I guess some some 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19716-1 02:19:00.636 --> 02:19:03.971 clarification like like you know, if you took Harpswell 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19716-2 02:19:03.971 --> 02:19:07.603 recycling, which you know I'm every town, does the recycling 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19716-3 02:19:07.603 --> 02:19:11.177 different? I have compacted recycling here at the facility. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19716-4 02:19:11.177 --> 02:19:15.048 I have two employees a stand up there and guard the recycling we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19716-5 02:19:15.048 --> 02:19:18.621 pick in the hopper and pull contaminants out all day long 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19716-6 02:19:18.621 --> 02:19:22.254 and we're constantly educating people at the hopper. There's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19716-7 02:19:22.254 --> 02:19:25.887 other towns. I know that just let people throw whatever they 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19716-8 02:19:25.887 --> 02:19:26.959 want into bullets. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19746-0 02:19:27.469 --> 02:19:31.265 And those get hauled off. So there must be some kind of a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19746-1 02:19:31.265 --> 02:19:35.257 rating system or something that may be implemented for towns 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19746-2 02:19:35.257 --> 02:19:38.399 like Harpswell, A minus and town, you know? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19806-0 02:19:39.199 --> 02:19:42.811 A town somewhere else might be a C and and you know. And 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19806-1 02:19:42.811 --> 02:19:46.540 you know, I was just wondering if there was some plans for some 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19806-2 02:19:46.540 --> 02:19:49.978 kind of a a, a ranking system and if that and then if that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19806-3 02:19:49.978 --> 02:19:53.590 ranking system would be directly attached to whatever kind of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19806-4 02:19:53.590 --> 02:19:57.144 reimbursement the town we get for their recycling in, in the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19806-5 02:19:57.144 --> 02:19:59.009 at the end of the whole process. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19808-0 02:20:00.459 --> 02:20:00.829 Mm-hmm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19821-0 02:20:02.009 --> 02:20:05.340 Or if there's a, if there's a mechanism where the town may be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19812-0 02:20:02.249 --> 02:20:02.619 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19821-1 02:20:05.340 --> 02:20:05.609 rank. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19842-0 02:20:06.309 --> 02:20:09.948 But you know, we'll be in the loop so they know to improve or 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19842-1 02:20:09.948 --> 02:20:13.647 or you know, you know, towns are gonna need to know where they 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19842-2 02:20:13.647 --> 02:20:13.999 stand. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19850-0 02:20:14.869 --> 02:20:17.399 Uh to whether or not they want to, you know. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19877-0 02:20:18.689 --> 02:20:21.046 Make improvements on their end, or if they just don't want to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19877-1 02:20:21.046 --> 02:20:23.440 participate in the program. I mean, you don't have some towns, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19877-2 02:20:23.440 --> 02:20:24.809 it just probably won't participate. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19880-0 02:20:28.159 --> 02:20:28.489 Thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19891-0 02:20:32.239 --> 02:20:35.728 Can I? Can I give you one more question? Where do you send your 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19891-1 02:20:35.728 --> 02:20:36.219 material? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19896-0 02:20:37.309 --> 02:20:38.439 Ours goes to Casella. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19913-0 02:20:39.329 --> 02:20:43.933 OK. And so Castella already told us they don't usually do, UM, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19913-1 02:20:43.933 --> 02:20:47.879 we'd sort of been under the impression that MRFs. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19926-0 02:20:48.979 --> 02:20:52.538 Spent a little bit of time paying attention to how much 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19926-1 02:20:52.538 --> 02:20:54.509 contamination various entities. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19937-0 02:20:55.179 --> 02:20:58.994 Produced and, you know, provided feedback via MRF via 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19937-1 02:20:58.994 --> 02:21:00.289 contamination fees. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19959-0 02:21:01.429 --> 02:21:04.848 But I think we're realizing that happens less than we we thought. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19952-0 02:21:04.739 --> 02:21:05.369 I yeah, I don't. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19959-1 02:21:04.848 --> 02:21:08.009 So it's not something that we have any. You know we haven't. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/19969-0 02:21:09.109 --> 02:21:11.939 Decided anything there but your your thoughts are helpful. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20003-0 02:21:12.399 --> 02:21:15.844 Yeah. I I I would agree with that. We don't get much feedback 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20003-1 02:21:15.844 --> 02:21:19.178 from Casella. The only time we get feedback if there's some 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20003-2 02:21:19.178 --> 02:21:22.679 obvious glaring incidence where somehow something got past us. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20089-0 02:21:23.869 --> 02:21:27.136 They're pretty much looking at the mix as it goes through the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20089-1 02:21:27.136 --> 02:21:30.351 initial process, picking out any bag trash, no any any large 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20089-2 02:21:30.351 --> 02:21:33.355 contaminants that they see. We did have an instance with 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20089-3 02:21:33.355 --> 02:21:36.570 someone dropped a large amount of bread bags for some reason 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20089-4 02:21:36.570 --> 02:21:39.838 someone did like a £50 bundle of bread wrappers that they had 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20089-5 02:21:39.838 --> 02:21:43.000 dropped in there and that was the only time I've ever heard 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20089-6 02:21:43.000 --> 02:21:46.109 from Casella. It was just a flukey thing. But you know, the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20089-7 02:21:46.109 --> 02:21:49.008 the feedback is less than optimal and I've been, we've 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20089-8 02:21:49.008 --> 02:21:52.381 been a customer Casella for, you know, well over a decade. So 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20089-9 02:21:52.381 --> 02:21:54.489 there's just not not a lot of feedback. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20096-0 02:21:54.569 --> 02:21:56.429 Between town and business, unless I push. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20099-0 02:21:58.609 --> 02:21:59.069 Thanks. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20102-0 02:21:59.999 --> 02:22:00.419 Thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20111-0 02:22:04.709 --> 02:22:07.919 Peter might have a follow up question for Charles. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20114-0 02:22:11.509 --> 02:22:12.039 That's good. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20178-0 02:22:18.029 --> 02:22:22.863 And and actually I just had a couple additional suggestions 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20178-1 02:22:22.863 --> 02:22:27.940 just before we leave the audit topic. I've I've heard the just 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20178-2 02:22:27.940 --> 02:22:32.935 wanted to support the idea of consistency when you're looking 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20178-3 02:22:32.935 --> 02:22:37.609 at consistency, keep in mind you're looking at now versus 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20178-4 02:22:37.609 --> 02:22:42.524 into the future. So one idea which I think is obvious, is to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20178-5 02:22:42.524 --> 02:22:47.439 make sure you have a written plan in terms of your sampling. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20219-0 02:22:47.519 --> 02:22:51.631 Techniques so that it can be duplicated as you go into the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20219-1 02:22:51.631 --> 02:22:55.813 future and you're comparing against where you are right now 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20219-2 02:22:55.813 --> 02:23:00.135 and the only other thing I would throw out is there may be an 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20219-3 02:23:00.135 --> 02:23:03.829 opportunity to have a control, meaning you may have. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20254-0 02:23:05.369 --> 02:23:10.277 Municipalities that are not participating that you can use 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20254-1 02:23:10.277 --> 02:23:14.935 as a control into the future as you make changes to the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20254-2 02:23:14.935 --> 02:23:19.677 recycling programs, how does that impact compared to the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20254-3 02:23:19.677 --> 02:23:24.169 facilities that are not participating in the program? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20270-0 02:23:29.809 --> 02:23:31.882 It seems like it would make sense to have some kind of a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20270-1 02:23:31.882 --> 02:23:33.629 baseline to be working the whole system off of. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20279-0 02:23:35.319 --> 02:23:37.169 Yes, at absolutely. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20278-0 02:23:35.409 --> 02:23:35.999 I agree. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20282-0 02:23:37.429 --> 02:23:38.019 That makes sense. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20289-0 02:23:48.319 --> 02:23:50.079 OK, that was insightful. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20298-0 02:23:51.369 --> 02:23:56.479 OK, so now I have any questions from the room. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20323-0 02:23:57.259 --> 02:24:00.819 I I'll give an opportunity if if anybody hasn't yet shared 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20323-1 02:24:00.819 --> 02:24:04.500 comments around audits, please raise your hand now and we'll 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20323-2 02:24:04.500 --> 02:24:06.009 we'll give you the floor. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20339-0 02:24:12.839 --> 02:24:16.994 Moved to goals. Yeah, let's move to goals. So I think let's go 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20339-1 02:24:16.994 --> 02:24:18.469 ahead and put Vanessa. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20355-0 02:24:19.899 --> 02:24:24.809 Vanessa, you can finish up an NRCM comments, please. Thank you. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20360-0 02:24:25.669 --> 02:24:27.019 Yeah. Thank you so much. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20424-0 02:24:28.239 --> 02:24:32.325 Alright, we believe that setting of program goals is perhaps the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20424-1 02:24:32.325 --> 02:24:36.285 most important aspect of this entire stakeholder dialogue. The 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20424-2 02:24:36.285 --> 02:24:40.309 discussion will help ground us all in an agreed upon purpose of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20424-3 02:24:40.309 --> 02:24:44.080 moving to an ERP system. And once those goals are generally 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20424-4 02:24:44.080 --> 02:24:47.538 agreed upon, then people can make cases for or against 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20424-5 02:24:47.538 --> 02:24:51.498 certain programmatic elements and targets based on whether the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20424-6 02:24:51.498 --> 02:24:55.019 suggestion aligns with the goals of the program or not. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20496-0 02:24:56.009 --> 02:24:59.443 The statute lists certain goals that must be included in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20496-1 02:24:59.443 --> 02:25:03.239 rulemaking, which are generally quantifiable in nature, but it 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20496-2 02:25:03.239 --> 02:25:06.854 does not limit those goals. I won't get too detailed today, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20496-3 02:25:06.854 --> 02:25:10.530 but we will provide written comments that expand the program 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20496-4 02:25:10.530 --> 02:25:13.843 into goals, elements and targets. The goals are public 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20496-5 02:25:13.843 --> 02:25:17.579 facing and overarching under each goal. They're more specific 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20496-6 02:25:17.579 --> 02:25:20.833 elements that pertain to implementing the given goal. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20496-7 02:25:20.833 --> 02:25:24.327 Targets are more quantifiable and serve as the purpose of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20496-8 02:25:24.327 --> 02:25:27.039 measuring progress towards the primary goal. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20588-0 02:25:27.269 --> 02:25:30.978 And primary goals underlying the statute broadly. Here are what 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20588-1 02:25:30.978 --> 02:25:34.223 we believe are the four primary goals of means EPR for 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20588-2 02:25:34.223 --> 02:25:38.048 packaging program, which pertain to certain programmatic elements 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20588-3 02:25:38.048 --> 02:25:41.525 and quantifiable targets. Goal number one would be to shift 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20588-4 02:25:41.525 --> 02:25:45.234 costs from taxpayers and towns to producers. One primary reason 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20588-5 02:25:45.234 --> 02:25:49.000 that lawmakers were persuaded to adopt an EPR system was to save 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20588-6 02:25:49.000 --> 02:25:52.709 taxpayers money and reduce the financial burden on local cities 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20588-7 02:25:52.709 --> 02:25:55.897 and towns by creating a more sustainable and equitable 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20588-8 02:25:55.897 --> 02:25:59.200 funding source to support the diversion and recycling of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20588-9 02:25:59.200 --> 02:26:00.359 packaging materials. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20606-0 02:26:00.969 --> 02:26:03.248 This is why we believe there should be, uh, full 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20606-1 02:26:03.248 --> 02:26:05.947 reimbursement of all municipal costs related to packaging 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20606-2 02:26:05.947 --> 02:26:06.459 management. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20717-0 02:26:07.599 --> 02:26:11.121 Uh goal #2 would be to safeguard the environment and enable 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20717-1 02:26:11.121 --> 02:26:14.879 environmental action. EPR is a systematic way to encourage big 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20717-2 02:26:14.879 --> 02:26:17.932 corporations, brands and packaging manufacturers to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20717-3 02:26:17.932 --> 02:26:21.454 reduce plastic pollution and design less wasteful packaging 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20717-4 02:26:21.454 --> 02:26:25.153 that can be more easily recycled or reused and make it simpler 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20717-5 02:26:25.153 --> 02:26:28.676 for main people and businesses to reduce, reuse and recycle 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20717-6 02:26:28.676 --> 02:26:32.316 packaging materials. This is why there should be quantifiable 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20717-7 02:26:32.316 --> 02:26:35.427 targets for source reduction, reuse recycled content 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20717-8 02:26:35.427 --> 02:26:37.189 collection and recycling rate. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20745-0 02:26:37.269 --> 02:26:40.683 Targets as well as funding for education and outreach, eco 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20745-1 02:26:40.683 --> 02:26:44.502 modulated fees for producers and incentives for accurate and easy 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20745-2 02:26:44.502 --> 02:26:47.859 to read recycling and disposal instructions on packaging. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20757-0 02:26:48.979 --> 02:26:52.419 Goal #3 would be to fund infrastructure enhancement. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20821-0 02:26:53.179 --> 02:26:56.729 EPR is forward-looking and a way to invest targeted funding to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20821-1 02:26:56.729 --> 02:26:59.935 expand reuse and recycling programs in cities and towns 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20821-2 02:26:59.935 --> 02:27:03.314 equitably throughout Maine, not just population centers and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20821-3 02:27:03.314 --> 02:27:06.749 cities. This is why we want to also work to ensure producer 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20821-4 02:27:06.749 --> 02:27:09.899 funding is focused to meet identified needs, to expand 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20821-5 02:27:09.899 --> 02:27:12.533 reuse and recycling opportunities, and why we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20821-6 02:27:12.533 --> 02:27:14.079 support a needs assessment. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20875-0 02:27:15.139 --> 02:27:18.811 Uh, goal four is to gather and leverage data. EPR provides a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20875-1 02:27:18.811 --> 02:27:22.305 huge opportunity for us to expand availability and quality 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20875-2 02:27:22.305 --> 02:27:25.443 of waste data and use the information to continually 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20875-3 02:27:25.443 --> 02:27:28.938 improve the effectiveness and enforcement of recycling and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20875-4 02:27:28.938 --> 02:27:32.609 reuse and Maine. This is why we believe we need to incorporate 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20875-5 02:27:32.609 --> 02:27:35.985 robust reporting from all the producers and supply chain 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20875-6 02:27:35.985 --> 02:27:37.229 municipal collection. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20917-0 02:27:39.149 --> 02:27:43.147 And ultimate fate of specific packaging material, whether it 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20917-1 02:27:43.147 --> 02:27:46.687 be reuse, recycling, litter disposal in a landfill or 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20917-2 02:27:46.687 --> 02:27:50.882 incinerator, and then expand to required reporting over time as 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20917-3 02:27:50.882 --> 02:27:54.947 appropriate, and as increasing data becomes available through 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20917-4 02:27:54.947 --> 02:27:56.979 ongoing program implementation. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20995-0 02:27:57.799 --> 02:28:01.134 When it comes to setting quantifiable targets, we feel in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20995-1 02:28:01.134 --> 02:28:04.412 general that they should be achievable based on existing 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20995-2 02:28:04.412 --> 02:28:07.805 data or sound justifiable reasoning or reflective of goals 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20995-3 02:28:07.805 --> 02:28:11.312 established in other states. Rather than being pulled out of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20995-4 02:28:11.312 --> 02:28:14.993 thin air, they could also be set with caveats, and some targets 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20995-5 02:28:14.993 --> 02:28:18.328 may need to be free, phased in over time. We believe it's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20995-6 02:28:18.328 --> 02:28:21.491 important to also identify clearly who the responsible 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20995-7 02:28:21.491 --> 02:28:24.941 party is for reaching each measurable target, whether it be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20995-8 02:28:24.941 --> 02:28:27.816 the producers, the municipalities, or the overall 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/20995-9 02:28:27.816 --> 02:28:28.909 program in general. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21044-0 02:28:29.679 --> 02:28:32.818 Uh, we know that the department has included a long list of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21044-1 02:28:32.818 --> 02:28:35.853 specific questions regarding target numbers, how they are 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21044-2 02:28:35.853 --> 02:28:38.887 set, and if they are producer or municipality specific or 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21044-3 02:28:38.887 --> 02:28:42.079 overall, how they're measured and how the data will be used. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21044-4 02:28:42.079 --> 02:28:45.113 We've collected a lot of resources for this endeavor, and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21044-5 02:28:45.113 --> 02:28:48.409 we'll answer these questions to the best of our ability in the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21044-6 02:28:48.409 --> 02:28:49.299 written comments. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21048-0 02:28:55.329 --> 02:28:56.319 Any questions? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21053-0 02:28:58.279 --> 02:28:59.799 None from the room. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21055-0 02:29:00.279 --> 02:29:00.649 OK. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21063-0 02:29:05.019 --> 02:29:05.749 None from our. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21065-0 02:29:05.099 --> 02:29:06.309 None from Elena either. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21073-0 02:29:07.069 --> 02:29:09.779 Wonderful. Alright. Thank you all very much for your time. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21082-0 02:29:09.789 --> 02:29:13.639 OK, thank you. I noted that, Abigail. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21101-0 02:29:15.729 --> 02:29:19.048 American forest and Paper Association had comments on 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21101-1 02:29:19.048 --> 02:29:22.981 goals, so we can make her OK. Is there anyone in the room at the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21101-2 02:29:22.981 --> 02:29:23.719 comments on? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21104-0 02:29:25.239 --> 02:29:25.989 Yeah. OK. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21108-0 02:29:32.489 --> 02:29:33.129 Yes. Yep. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21113-0 02:29:41.989 --> 02:29:42.849 I could tell her to raise. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21123-0 02:29:47.179 --> 02:29:50.162 Don't make it easy, Abigail. Can you raise your hands so we can 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21123-1 02:29:50.162 --> 02:29:50.589 find you? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21128-0 02:29:54.869 --> 02:29:57.179 Yep, very good magic. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21139-0 02:30:11.289 --> 02:30:15.159 OK, thanks for remembering me. I appreciate it. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21159-0 02:30:17.159 --> 02:30:22.614 So spoke to a lot of this kind of all previously, but did want 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21159-1 02:30:22.614 --> 02:30:24.779 to get a little bit into. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21192-0 02:30:27.199 --> 02:30:32.953 Some uh, you know what we're thinking really to to goals. Our 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21192-1 02:30:32.953 --> 02:30:38.150 industry is one that has its own suite of quantifiable, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21192-2 02:30:38.150 --> 02:30:43.719 verifiable sustainability goals that we, you know, kind of. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21233-0 02:30:44.759 --> 02:30:49.583 Work together with our Members to identify and work towards and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21233-1 02:30:49.583 --> 02:30:54.558 so it's something where we would certainly like to make sure that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21233-2 02:30:54.558 --> 02:30:58.553 you have any goals that we're working to achieve our 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21233-3 02:30:58.553 --> 02:30:59.609 complementary. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21256-0 02:31:00.749 --> 02:31:04.810 Or or at least not interfering with programs that are members 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21256-1 02:31:04.810 --> 02:31:08.479 are undertaking in order to continue our efforts to be. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21260-0 02:31:10.589 --> 02:31:11.759 Environmental stewards. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21312-0 02:31:12.339 --> 02:31:16.968 Umm, that being said, one of the background questions 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21312-1 02:31:16.968 --> 02:31:21.854 specifically touches on a goal related to those consumer 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21312-2 02:31:21.854 --> 02:31:27.254 recycled content in packaging material. This is something that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21312-3 02:31:27.254 --> 02:31:31.797 is pretty fundamental to our industry and and how we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21312-4 02:31:31.797 --> 02:31:37.369 function. I talked a little bit about how you know our fiber can 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21312-5 02:31:37.369 --> 02:31:39.169 be used 5 to 7 times. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21315-0 02:31:40.509 --> 02:31:41.439 In the process. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21329-0 02:31:42.239 --> 02:31:45.549 Recovered fiber markets are complex sufficient dynamic. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21401-0 02:31:46.749 --> 02:31:51.186 And and we we generally have a lot of concerns when there are 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21401-1 02:31:51.186 --> 02:31:55.266 prescriptive approaches that specify the use of recycled 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21401-2 02:31:55.266 --> 02:31:59.275 fibers or dictate what type of recovered fibers used in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21401-3 02:31:59.275 --> 02:32:03.498 different products. So specific to PCR rather than driving 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21401-4 02:32:03.498 --> 02:32:07.506 increased paper recycling, recycled content minimums or 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21401-5 02:32:07.506 --> 02:32:11.586 mandates and specific paper products could inadvertently 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21401-6 02:32:11.586 --> 02:32:15.809 make products for recovered fiber actually less efficient. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21456-0 02:32:16.059 --> 02:32:20.819 It could provide recovered fiber from going to its highest value 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21456-1 02:32:20.819 --> 02:32:25.579 end use. That's in part because one year, you know, item A could 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21456-2 02:32:25.579 --> 02:32:29.900 be the highest value and use and the next year it could be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21456-3 02:32:29.900 --> 02:32:34.587 something different and losing some of that flexibility, losing 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21456-4 02:32:34.587 --> 02:32:39.275 the ability for the company that has access to the fiber to use 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21456-5 02:32:39.275 --> 02:32:43.669 it in the best place that it can use, it becomes difficult. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21458-0 02:32:44.259 --> 02:32:44.889 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21504-0 02:32:45.599 --> 02:32:50.053 It also potentially raises the cost of production for new paper 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21504-1 02:32:50.053 --> 02:32:54.228 products or narrows available choices for consumers. Issues 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21504-2 02:32:54.228 --> 02:32:58.474 can arise when recycled content minimum requires inefficient 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21504-3 02:32:58.474 --> 02:33:02.928 economic and environmental uses of the recovered fiber, and can 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21504-4 02:33:02.928 --> 02:33:06.199 restrict the availability of certain products. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21513-0 02:33:06.879 --> 02:33:11.449 Just entirely an example of this would be if. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21550-0 02:33:12.139 --> 02:33:17.463 Recycled content is mandated to be in copy paper when it would 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21550-1 02:33:17.463 --> 02:33:22.787 actually be more efficient based on location or you know other 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21550-2 02:33:22.787 --> 02:33:27.689 factors to be used in packaging papers that would create. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21607-0 02:33:28.969 --> 02:33:33.117 Issues throughout the the process and packaging papers 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21607-1 02:33:33.117 --> 02:33:37.717 would be having to find their fiber in a different location. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21607-2 02:33:37.717 --> 02:33:42.242 The copy paper you know you have to find customers that are 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21607-3 02:33:42.242 --> 02:33:46.767 looking for, you know, fiber of that quality and ultimately 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21607-4 02:33:46.767 --> 02:33:51.518 rather than decreasing version fiber use or increasing the use 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21607-5 02:33:51.518 --> 02:33:55.892 of recovered fiber, it would more likely just shift where 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21607-6 02:33:55.892 --> 02:33:57.929 virgin fiber is being used. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21642-0 02:33:59.679 --> 02:34:03.919 Our current efforts have, you know, read a lot of strong gains 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21642-1 02:34:03.919 --> 02:34:08.092 in paper recycling. We expected to do so in the future. So we 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21642-2 02:34:08.092 --> 02:34:12.130 just have a lot of concerns related to arbitrary changes in 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21642-3 02:34:12.130 --> 02:34:12.669 content. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21648-0 02:34:14.579 --> 02:34:16.909 Interrupting the market based utilization? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21682-0 02:34:18.209 --> 02:34:23.797 Particularly in the state like Maine, where there's so much of, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21682-1 02:34:23.797 --> 02:34:29.036 you know, fiber available that is recovered fiber, but also 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21682-2 02:34:29.036 --> 02:34:33.925 version fiber that are supporting family wage jobs. And 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21682-3 02:34:33.925 --> 02:34:35.759 so creating external. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21709-0 02:34:36.059 --> 02:34:40.532 Uh, preference between, you know, a a dynamic market, you 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21709-1 02:34:40.532 --> 02:34:45.006 know where at least fibers you know each have value could 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21709-2 02:34:45.006 --> 02:34:46.549 disrupt some of the. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21714-0 02:34:48.379 --> 02:34:50.979 Existing structures. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21783-0 02:34:51.869 --> 02:34:56.132 Umm, we also, you know, I think there's a mention of UM 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21783-1 02:34:56.132 --> 02:35:00.853 recycling access and this is something where our Members, you 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21783-2 02:35:00.853 --> 02:35:05.421 know we we think that we have you know some insights we can 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21783-3 02:35:05.421 --> 02:35:10.370 potentially share since 1994 AF&P has conducted periodic national 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21783-4 02:35:10.370 --> 02:35:15.167 surveys in order to figure out the extent and growth of access 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21783-5 02:35:15.167 --> 02:35:19.964 to community deeper and deeper board recycling are most recent 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21783-6 02:35:19.964 --> 02:35:21.639 one was in 2021 which. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21793-0 02:35:21.789 --> 02:35:24.579 We found that the vast majority of Americans. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21853-0 02:35:26.149 --> 02:35:30.122 94% impact have access to Community paper and paperboard 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21853-1 02:35:30.122 --> 02:35:34.583 recycling programs that includes both curbside and drop off and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21853-2 02:35:34.583 --> 02:35:39.183 we do find that you know usually you have, you know if you have a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21853-3 02:35:39.183 --> 02:35:43.574 lot of drop off your you might it might be because there's not 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21853-4 02:35:43.574 --> 02:35:47.965 a lot of curbside or if there's a lot of curbside access, then 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21853-5 02:35:47.965 --> 02:35:51.799 it community will be offering fewer drop offs options. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21870-0 02:35:53.639 --> 02:35:59.832 But you know more Americans now have access to curbside programs 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21870-1 02:35:59.832 --> 02:36:00.309 then? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21884-0 02:36:00.389 --> 02:36:07.119 Umm, so I think it's a 29% now versus in 2014. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21936-0 02:36:07.739 --> 02:36:11.485 Umm, but you know this is something else that gets into 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21936-1 02:36:11.485 --> 02:36:15.700 convenience. Recycling access can sometimes be tied up with an 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21936-2 02:36:15.700 --> 02:36:19.780 interest in convenience for constituents, for the consumers, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21936-3 02:36:19.780 --> 02:36:23.527 and that can sometimes have a harmful overall impact on 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21936-4 02:36:23.527 --> 02:36:27.607 effective recycling practices. It gives you kind of into the 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21936-5 02:36:27.607 --> 02:36:29.949 realm of wish cycling potentially. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21966-0 02:36:30.429 --> 02:36:35.344 Umm, but mandating that recycling be convenient, whether 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21966-1 02:36:35.344 --> 02:36:40.173 or not it's effective or productive method can actually 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21966-2 02:36:40.173 --> 02:36:43.709 harm the system instead of improving it. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21980-0 02:36:44.779 --> 02:36:47.822 Umm. And you know it's it's another factor and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21980-1 02:36:47.822 --> 02:36:48.729 contamination. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21992-0 02:36:49.409 --> 02:36:54.002 Umm, so I think those are kind of our team main thoughts 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/21992-1 02:36:54.002 --> 02:36:54.889 related to. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22015-0 02:36:55.429 --> 02:37:00.169 UM, goals that were specifically mentioned, you know and and 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22015-1 02:37:00.169 --> 02:37:04.599 think when we think about litter reduction, I would say. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22067-0 02:37:05.099 --> 02:37:10.125 Umm, we want our materials to be recycled so we don't consider it 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22067-1 02:37:10.125 --> 02:37:14.922 letter to be good with. I think that that does become a factor 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22067-2 02:37:14.922 --> 02:37:19.568 in providing recycling access and systems that are affected, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22067-3 02:37:19.568 --> 02:37:24.213 whether that's lids. So that doesn't go away, processes like 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22067-4 02:37:24.213 --> 02:37:28.934 that, that can usually be smart investments by a community to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22067-5 02:37:28.934 --> 02:37:31.219 improve some of the processes. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22083-0 02:37:31.979 --> 02:37:35.564 Umm. And generally speaking, when we're thinking about 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22083-1 02:37:35.564 --> 02:37:38.889 recycling rates, we wanna be thinking specific to. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22085-0 02:37:39.469 --> 02:37:40.149 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22089-0 02:37:41.289 --> 02:37:42.329 You know the difference. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22112-0 02:37:42.899 --> 02:37:46.941 Umm, you know that that's where the producers you need to be a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22112-1 02:37:46.941 --> 02:37:51.112 part of the discussion, probably in order to make sure that it's 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22112-2 02:37:51.112 --> 02:37:52.909 realistic and reflective of. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22116-0 02:37:54.169 --> 02:37:55.279 Processes in place. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22121-0 02:38:00.209 --> 02:38:01.489 I think that's that's all I got. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22135-0 02:38:03.579 --> 02:38:07.592 OK. Thanks. Anybody has any questions for Abigail, please 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22135-1 02:38:07.592 --> 02:38:09.599 raise your hand at this time. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22138-0 02:38:15.449 --> 02:38:16.199 No, no. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22145-0 02:38:18.619 --> 02:38:19.439 Elena's got. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22148-0 02:38:19.079 --> 02:38:20.379 I I just have one. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22150-0 02:38:20.819 --> 02:38:21.329 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22160-0 02:38:22.889 --> 02:38:25.859 The the law requires that there be PCR targets. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22162-0 02:38:27.599 --> 02:38:28.049 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22170-0 02:38:29.139 --> 02:38:31.389 It also doesn't, I don't believe. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22173-0 02:38:31.469 --> 02:38:31.829 Uh. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22178-0 02:38:33.769 --> 02:38:35.449 Provide the department with the ability to. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22182-0 02:38:36.299 --> 02:38:37.849 To have mandatory. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22189-0 02:38:38.609 --> 02:38:40.269 Uh to have mandates of any kind? 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22211-0 02:38:40.869 --> 02:38:46.624 Umm, but uh, we are gonna need to have rules on PCR in fiber 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22211-1 02:38:46.624 --> 02:38:52.379 products, packaging products and so and they probably would. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22226-0 02:38:53.799 --> 02:38:57.089 Sort of take the form of it. You know the law also says that they 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22226-1 02:38:57.089 --> 02:38:57.339 will. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22236-0 02:38:58.839 --> 02:39:02.119 Feedback into investments and producer fees. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22247-0 02:39:03.109 --> 02:39:06.139 And so they could take the form of, you know, UM. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22276-0 02:39:07.709 --> 02:39:14.020 30% overall PCR content in uh fiber applications. And if we're 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22276-1 02:39:14.020 --> 02:39:19.430 not reaching that, then maybe more investment goes to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22276-2 02:39:19.430 --> 02:39:23.939 infrastructure or maybe producer fees go up. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22278-0 02:39:24.399 --> 02:39:24.999 Umm. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22307-0 02:39:26.169 --> 02:39:30.427 If if that's an issue, that if that's an area that you guys see 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22307-1 02:39:30.427 --> 02:39:34.619 as potentially problematic, I think it would be helpful if you 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22307-2 02:39:34.619 --> 02:39:38.279 would put forward some some ideas on on what might be. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22318-0 02:39:39.809 --> 02:39:43.409 Better PCR targets because we do need to have some. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22406-0 02:39:46.199 --> 02:39:50.150 Yeah. And I think it's, it's, it's great that you mention that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22406-1 02:39:50.150 --> 02:39:53.913 it can be kind of for fiber applications because when when 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22406-2 02:39:53.913 --> 02:39:57.613 you think about all of the the types of packaging that are 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22406-3 02:39:57.613 --> 02:40:01.565 inclusive of fiber, you've got, you know, food packaging where 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22406-4 02:40:01.565 --> 02:40:04.701 there might be federal restrictions on the use of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22406-5 02:40:04.701 --> 02:40:08.526 recovered fiber. There might be other materials where they'd 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22406-6 02:40:08.526 --> 02:40:12.352 love to use recovered fiber. They just need to get a hold of 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22406-7 02:40:12.352 --> 02:40:16.429 it. And so I think that as long as there is a certain amount of. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22426-0 02:40:16.669 --> 02:40:20.586 And well flexibility and ability to have continual 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22426-1 02:40:20.586 --> 02:40:23.599 conversations, I think that's gonna be. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22429-0 02:40:25.559 --> 02:40:26.329 Really important. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22431-0 02:40:34.349 --> 02:40:34.629 Thanks. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22437-0 02:40:39.889 --> 02:40:41.839 OK, so this this last call. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22441-0 02:40:42.539 --> 02:40:43.609 I don't have. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22473-0 02:40:44.319 --> 02:40:47.902 Anybody noted down that needs to finish up. Any comments that 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22473-1 02:40:47.902 --> 02:40:51.485 they started earlier. So if you have any comments to share at 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22473-2 02:40:51.485 --> 02:40:55.069 this point, put a hand up and we'll we'll give you the floor. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22477-0 02:41:01.749 --> 02:41:02.499 I thnk we're good. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22546-0 02:41:03.979 --> 02:41:08.609 Yet there's no hands coming up. Ohh, let's just end with a 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22546-1 02:41:08.609 --> 02:41:13.553 friendly reminder to those of you who haven't yet said in your 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22546-2 02:41:13.553 --> 02:41:18.105 comments in writing to maine packagingEPR@maine.gov to 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22546-3 02:41:18.105 --> 02:41:22.657 I'll just make a note to do so, like Brian had mentioned, 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22546-4 02:41:22.657 --> 02:41:27.444 comments can be submitted at any time and we're periodically 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22546-5 02:41:27.444 --> 02:41:31.839 updating the comments folder on the program website so. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22560-0 02:41:32.879 --> 02:41:36.572 Whenever, whenever they can be sent over, they're welcome to be 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22560-1 02:41:36.572 --> 02:41:37.149 sent over. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22570-0 02:41:38.849 --> 02:41:42.809 The discussion is going to happen on the 11th of April. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22572-0 02:41:48.199 --> 02:41:48.539 Hey. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22574-0 02:41:49.259 --> 02:41:49.839 So. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22598-0 02:41:50.859 --> 02:41:55.117 All wrapped up. Thank you so much to everyone who joined us 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22598-1 02:41:55.117 --> 02:41:57.389 in House online shared comments. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22605-0 02:41:58.359 --> 02:42:01.209 And participated. We really appreciate it. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22615-0 02:42:05.869 --> 02:42:07.459 Bye everyone. Bye. 6ecd46b7-d7b7-423c-a3a2-6317d8dc0ed3/22620-0 02:42:08.039 --> 02:42:08.729 Thank you.